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Yeah baby, Archive 10 will be MINE!

Aaanyway... I just went through our pride and joy Velociraptor. Didn't really add anything new, just copyediting and formatting, general cleanup and so forth. Would you mind copyediting my copyedits if you have the time? Thanks! Sheep81 07:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow... misspelled "cleanup"... that's not a good sign. Sheep81 07:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It's fine, whenever. A lot of little changes can take longer to look through than a few big ones sometimes. Sheep81 07:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the link to scientific peer review! Sheep81 00:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions on Daspletosaurus. I'm actually working on the refs right now so I'll work those changes in. Personally I think I'm ready to defend it for FAC, but I wanted to have the peer review to back it up (not that anyone responded of course). I'm working realllly long hours right now (left in the am and didn't get home til almost 10pm tonight) but I'll have time off in 2 days... I think I'll put Daspletosaurus up for FAC on Wednesday night. Just so you know what I'm thinking. And I'll be more than happy to look over the K-T article, I really want that one to be good actually since most of my fieldwork has been in the Hell Creek. I'll check it out some time in the next few days... right now I am gonna finish what I am doing on Daspi and then hit the sack though. Night! Sheep81 09:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

KMSP-TV page protection

That was a good move, but I'm just sorry it had to go that far. You have to admit that I tired to communicate with Fightingirish, but it seemed he was more interested in getting his own way. I may be tough to deal with, but he hasn't exactly been an Wiki-angel himself.

BTW, is there anyway to find out of anyone is using an anonymous IP address to make the same kind of edits? I think Fightingirish and "75.73.209.164" are one and the same. Rollosmokes 16:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop trying to blame this all on me! I only post under my username. The anonymous IP reverted my work. As far as I know, it could be you. Look, I'm trying to make this a good article. I revised the whole thing and added references.

And again, you were the one who started the revert war. Stop trying to pass yourself off as innocent! I think it's appalling when people try to bully their way around Misplaced Pages.

And you have to admit, I was the one who initially reached out to find out why my edits were being reverted. You did not. Stop trying to blame others for your own mischief. --Fightingirish 16:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I think I'll just respond here, as both users have posted to my talk page. It seems unlikely that 75 is Fightingirish, but a check user can be performed on request. Similarly, it seems unlikely that Rollo is 75, either, as the edits resolve to a Minnesota address. Still, a RFCU can also be performed. Leave a request on the checkuser page, and then when the results come back negative, let's discuss this on the article's talk page. Firsfron of Ronchester 17:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to litter your talk page with this crap. I took the liberty to redo the article this morning. I added updated information, along with references and cites, as you have complained that most TV articles lack. This is my last edit here, prior to the anonymous IP who reverted. I think this would be a good starting point for analyzing the article, to see what could be added or subtracted. So far, I think this is heading in the right direction. --Fightingirish 17:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event

OK, my favorite dinosaur expert, I've put in a lot of edits to begin cleaning up this POS article. I've reworked the sections into something resembling an encyclopedic article. The writing is atrocious. In addition, I think I found an article from which much of the writing was plagiarized, which is a major no no. So, I'm beat. It's your turn. I'll clean up and add references, but I've struggled with the lead, and maybe you can rework it. Despite my obsession with post-KT dinosaurs (and Noah's Ark), I think that we gave undue weight to those animals, so I've cut a lot of the writing on it, and moved the best referenced parts to the bottom. It also appears that a couple of POV editors (with or without good intentions) added a lot about the Shiva crater, which from what I read probably isn't a crater. Anyways, I know you have made a lot of GA and FA articles. If you can spend an hour cleaning up some of it, I'll put in a few hours, and maybe we'll have something. Orangemarlin 07:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

ROFLMAO!!!!!!Orangemarlin 16:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, you don't want to edit Living dinosaurs. The Puppy has suggest looking at Category:Lake cryptids. You should read this crap. Orangemarlin 16:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 18 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eocursor, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Commas or parentheses for scientific name in opening sentence and elsewhere

(Now that was a long header wasn't it?) There's a debate here about commas versus parentheses for scientific names for organisms (well in this case birds). I'm not sure whether this has been raised elsewhere but would be good to establish once and for all here and could apply as MOS across all biology articles. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

9000th edit:

Yay! I'm nearly up to 10,000 edits!!! Anyway, you're probably one of my best friends on here right now, so you can have the gift of my 9001st edit! ;) I was thinking of making Allosaurus my next pet project after Ive finished creating some non-dinosaurian articles first. What do you think? Would you join me? Spawn Man 03:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Dinosaurs project

You know that you can add the project to the new projects section of the Misplaced Pages:Community Portal once in a while, right? That sort of advertisement might help out a lot. I'm basically in a somewhat similar situation to the one you described with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Saints, so I know where you're coming from. One thing that I have mentioned elsewhere is possible creation of a virtual "temp group" to help fulfill some of a given project's functions in the event of dormancy. Implementation of such an idea, of course, presents so many problems that I can see why no one has ever tried to follow through with it. One other possibility would be to maybe try to propose (somehow and somewhere, because I don't have a clue as to how either would be done) the creation of some sort of Vital Projects list, listing those which are and are not most important relative to content. I think that one will probably wait a few months before a bot which has been under discussion for something else is created. It's supposed to try to provide some sort of indication of the comparatively "objective" importance of a given article to wikipedia as a whole. Like I said, though, that's still in the development stages. Let me know if you can think of some specific tasks you want help with though, and I'll see what I can do. John Carter 20:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

One idea comes to mind. I know that some projects have an additional category which the presence of the banner places articles in. If the banner could be constructed to include that category, then a "recent changes" specialpage could be created which would more easily allow even one person to at least somewhat check on changes. Unfortunately, the only banners I know that do this also include some assessment criteria as well. Would you want to change the banner to accomodate assessments, and thus include that category, or not? There probably are other banners which do it as well, of course, but I honestly don't know of any right off. If you also want an assessment department, let me know and I should be able to set it up by the end of the day. John Carter 20:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm becoming an old hand at assessments. If you wanted any particular help in that department, I could do at least some of the quality assessments. The importance assessments would be another matter entirely, but many projects only assess the top and High importance articles anyway, so that might not be as difficult as you might think. John Carter 14:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: WP:CIVIL and consensus

Threats? What threats? Perhaps if you'd actually bothered to read the paragraph in question, instead of quoting it out-of-context, you'd see that the user in question made the same dumb-ass mistake you have made yourself, namely making the blanket assertion that any well-formed argument based on an essay is ipso facto nonsense. I would have assumed an administrator would be above such things. 81.104.175.145 01:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocks

User:81.104.175.145 requested an unblock, which I declined as the reason for the block is apparent in the contributions. However, I would politely ask that in the future that you do not block someone for incidents or disputes in which you have been involved. This is explicitly against our blocking policy and helps ensure that the process is fair. Cheers! Vassyana 02:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

WGN-TV

I've let myself cool off after the unnecessarily heated KMSP and WNBC battles, but here's another of those small things that just sticks in my craw: TV9 has apparently done all he/she can to claim ownership of the WGN-TV article, to the point of nitpicking over correct use of capitalization (whether the word The should be capitalized within a sentence). But my main problem here is TV9 continues to incorrectly change the Wikilinks for both The WB Television Network and The CW Television Network to The WB and The CW. I correctly fixed the links to avoid redirects, but every time I've done this, TV9 changes it back, using claims of improper grammar as his/her excuse. I have commented to TV9 on how the links should be written in the article, but he/she has ignored my advice.

I am tired of coming to you complaining about small things like this, but I have no other alternative. Rollosmokes 04:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

FYI

User:WBardwin has attempted to convert the pop culture section of Tyrannosaurus into a list. I reverted it, he reverted it back, I re-reverted it, and now he has added some trivial reference into the section. I cannot revert it again for fear of breaking WP:3RR. See my attempt at civility here: User_talk:WBardwin#Tyrannosaurus_rex_pop_culture. Maybe I should sick Spawn Man on him! :) Sheep81 08:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Odd.....

I just checked edit count & noticed that the count only had me down for 288 edits to the article Dinosaur. This is odd because I specifically remember that's the only article I've ever made over 300 edits to. How could my edit count for that article have gone down by 12 edits? Thought you might know since you're all up with your edit count etc. Cheers, Spawn Man 11:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Defense of T-rex

Gentlemen (I assume), you are both being defensive and I think unnecessarily so. I'm no newby and I have worked on (gasp) Dinosaurs before, even on the (much earlier) T-rex article. I even created a dinosaur article on a new find in Utah. But your pop section reads like a list because it came from a list and so I formatted it as a list to see what was really in there. As written, it is not worthy of a featured article. It needs to be rewritten in a historical context, i.e. the initial popular imagery arising from the representations/models of early finds and how that image has changed (slowly, since about the 1960's if I remember it right). I have a book by Horner (I think), that talks about the popular image of T-rex, its origins, and errors. That would be a good start. Then, I would eliminate all "pop" examples, except those that represent examples of how T-rex's image changed over time, i.e. King Kong vs Jurassic Park. The list article needs a great deal of work, and is way out of balance, but "popular culture" is one of Misplaced Pages's biggest weaknesses. As for Garcia, he came to the top of my head as I was thinking about what else could be added, so he can stay or go. Sawyer is a much better scifi example. If you think your "army" of reverters would stand for it, I'll add the section to my to-do list. Best.......WBardwin 23:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

What??????!!!!!!?????? Orangemarlin 23:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Is he saying that T rex isn't FA worthy, or that T rex in Pop culture isn't FA worthy. If it's the later; everybody knows that & you're welcome to rewrite it & expand it. Despite this, your above comment is confusing: First off, which article are you refering to? Secondly, Do you intend to remove all pop culture references from all dinosaur articles, or just T rex in pop culture? Thirdly, Garcia is not even close to being notable enough to put on the main T rex article, but he could certainly go in the T rex in pop culture article instead. Very confusing indeed... Spawn Man 03:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Opposite birds

I'll have a look. Off the top of my head i can't think of any except there is an excellen book on early birds in the library which I can check. I'll get back to you. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Spawn and the Dino Project

Hey Firsfron, thanks for the note. Don't worry, I'm not going to let my feelings about Spawn Man curtail my Misplaced Pages activities. I'll stay just as active on the actual articles (as you say, there are thousands of them). There are other reasons I haven't been too involved with the project - I'm something of a lone-wolf by nature, and I'm so sporadic on the Misplaced Pages that I don't think it's worth putting my name down for actually doing jobs. I can't be bothered dealing with Spawn's kind of aggravation, so I'm not planning get any more involved with the project than I have been. I won't let it affect my communication with other editors though. — John.Conway 17:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, I smell treason about me.... It's always nice to know people never stop talking about you behind your back eh? I don't need you apologising for me Firs, I'm quite capable of doing it myself, as I already have in a way. I'm not a toddler any more; I don't need people cleaning up my messes & help getting to my feet or people apologising or fixing things when I trip up. If you have a problem about how I act, place it on my talk page, not someone elses. And if you feel like you're kowtowing around me, or trying not to upset me, that's you're fault & I never said you had to. I'm quite capable of taking a bit of critisism. This goes for everyone, as there's been this whole thing of "don't upset Spawn" going around. I've asked JC if he wants my name removed from the participants list on the project & I'll quite happily accept whatever decision he makes. I wouldn't want to be a problem or a hinder to anyone wanting to get things done around the project. In any case, it's good to know who your friends are... Spawn Man 06:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Ya know what, if that's what you think of me then fine. As per my post on JC's talk page, people assume that my descriptive words are actually emotional. You're not really being a friend by saying stuff like that I can't go a week or so without an argument. People come into a situation with me and they've already got me in a bad light. They assume they'll have an argument with me, they assume I'll be critical, they assume I'll be nasty. And we all know what you wish for in your mind comes true. If you think negatively your subconscience reacts. For example, if I told several people that Firs was mean, and then told Sheepy to tell them that Firs was mean, those people would come into the situation thinking you were mean & act accordingly so without knowing your true nature. So not only do I not get a second chance with most people, I don't get a first chance & it really is tirng because of "friends" like you who can't fathom me going a week without an argument. I've been a lot longer than 40 days without an argument thank you very much, that counter was only there for a short time because I wanted to show an admin I was behaving, so that is not even close to how long I've really been without fights. So that's all I have to say really. You don't have to deal with me. Spawn Man 03:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Meh, whatever. A bit angry right now... Spawn Man 03:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Todd Marshall images

I've noticed that there are quite a few Todd Marshall images uploaded by User:Benosaurus on various articles. See Majungasaurus and Rajasaurus for instance. He says on his talk page that he asked Todd for permission to use the images in Misplaced Pages. I am... skeptical. How would be a good way to go about resolving this one way or the other? Sheep81 13:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I just heard back from Todd Marshall and apparently he is okay with it! So we are in the clear there. He was actually happy that I asked him. Sheep81 08:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Request to help

While I was doing some editing for a task force, I added an environmental report published by an environmental organization which Reuters reported it regarding 56 companies and their policies on climate change. Of those 56 companies, some are fast food chains. An editor reverted all my additions to all fast food companies that the report mentioned, saying the report is published by a small environmental group and inappropriate to the articles. What I believe is that Reuters has at least checked the news for accuracy before publishing it, and fast food chains produced a lot of wastes which resulted in low marks in the report. I hope if you can intervene on this matter and suggest what to do next.

You can read more of the discussion between me and that editor at Talk:Burger King#Environmental report and both users' talk page. OhanaUnited 05:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Fictional dinosaurs

Thanks for your note on my talk page! I'm glad what I compiled proved useful, rather than being ranting blather. And: squee, Shadowmarch. I haven't been there in forever. Do I get to glomp you in a community-loving way, or has it been too long for that? -Dread / pinkgothic 14:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Smarch: I actually figured it must have already closed years ago. What a shame! Is it a question of activity or of finances?

Erk. Abusing wikipedia for chitter-chatter. *scolds self*

Tell you what: My eMail's removed. I'd love to hear from you. In fact, now that I mention it, I still have an eMail from Aan from months back that I haven't answered. Urk. If you like, you can remove my eMail address from this page once you've got it; might help combat spammage, even if it's still in the page history. I'd appreciate it, anyway. -pinkgothic 14:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Would like an opinion from an admin

Do you think my actions on the Rod Beck page were correct? (reverting previously unsourced death info and requesting semi protection) --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 20:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment...on Talk:Rod Beck though, there's this IP that keeps making rude personal attacks. Exactly why they shouldn't be allowed to edit IMO. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 18:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

S. ovatus

I went to the library but the issue containing the original description was either checked out or lost. I'll look again when I get back in 3 weeks if it's still needed. Sorry! Sheep81 07:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Psittacosauridae.JPG)

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Thanks

Hey Doc!

Thanks for the vandalism revert here. I'm deathly worried that, with Sheep on vacation in Africa, Dinoguy working on his Masters in Australia, Justin wanting to become less active, and Cas busy working on WP:BIRDS, that I'll miss some important vandalism and it won't get reverted. Thanks again. Firsfron of Ronchester 08:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Firs, thanks for noticing! I didn't realize you were running so shorthanded; I still have over 100 Dino articles watchlisted from the last Red Alert (that's how I nailed this one), but maybe I can try to cover more of them. Always happy to help : ) Doc Tropics 13:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

LMAO! You broke the wiki! My list is only 1330, so it's good to know what the limits are : ) Doc Tropics 17:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

You know Firs and I had to work on the K-T extinction article ourselves. It's better, but a long way from GA status. You disappeared for a month, and I was going to attend your funeral someplace. Orangemarlin 18:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Reports of my death are premature...Doc Tropics 18:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Paleocene dinosaurs

I've been reworking Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event--yes the lead is improved. I've been digging up references for these dinosaurs, and short of a lot of Cryptozoology articles (talk about junk science), there's one hadrosaur femur in New Mexico, some supposed research in China (can't find references), and some information that dinosaurs existed above the K-T boundary in the Hell Creek formation. But really, there are precious few references supporting it, but a lot in opposition. Thinking about undue weight, I'm beginning to wonder if this needs to be a POV fork (and away from Living dinosaurs). Just a thought that maybe you can consider as we move forward. Orangemarlin 23:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Tulsa TV Memories web site

Hi there. I am the webmaster of Tulsa TV Memories.

I noticed a dustup over the authority of some material presented on my site. The material in question is a University of Tulsa masters thesis, which I scanned, OCR'd, and painstakingly corrected, keeping every superscript and footnote exactly as they appeared on the printed copy.

Am I required to be a publisher for that material to be credible?

As you noted, my site is not a blog. It does have a "group blog" to allow readers to contribute.

I'm just curious; I don't intend to become involved with the Dumont article.

TulsaTV 06:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

help!

Hi Firsfron! Sorry I haven't been much help with the dinosaur project lately. I've been super busy. But I completely intend to go back to it and continue. You may have noticed that I wiki in short spurts before disappearing for months at a time. Anyway, I can't remember how to get rid of that box that shows up whenever you hover over a link. I believe you're the one who told me how to set it up, and at the time it was useful, but I'd like to disable it for a bit because it is seriously inhibiting my ability to edit anything. (I don't know if it's because I'm on Opera or what but it won't GO AWAY once it shows up.) Anyway, could you remind me how to turn it off? THANK YOU!!! Devotchka 19:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I will be back to help with the dinosaurs. :) Devotchka 17:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Could use your help

I've gotten myself in a kerfuffle (just read my talk page) over an aggressive editor who, for some reason, has appointed him or herself as the keeper of archiving. They went at Talk:Creation science pretty badly, and the fallout has been tremendous. I've got an ANI, totally unfair, although I admit my tolerance of bad behavior is minimal, a warning on my User talk page, another editor User:ConfuciusOrnis has been blocked for trying to clean up the mass archiving of a contentious article, and another editor User:Filll has be slapped around too. I'm coming here because I think you know me well enough to know that I'm not here to destroy articles, kick around noobs, or even to cause mass trouble. I've been attacked by sockpuppets who have vandalized my page (and the user who is the root of all of this trouble, Fatalis, actually vandalized my talk page, although some people are AGFing him, which I can't, especially after several reprimands of his archiving and reverting issues). I'm not whining here, because this has been a major waste of time. I was so frustrated by Fatalis, that I didn't focus on the K-T article which I think we've made some headway. If you think that this garbage is best left in the dump, then so be it. It's just not fair when someone goes off the deep end like Fatalis, calls people names left and right, whines to several admins, who don't spend more than a nanosecond looking into the record (yeah, my AGF skills are shot today), and one editor (a good one) gets blocked (thereby killing any support he'll get to be an admin himself), and I get a warning and an ANI (thereby killing my chances to ever to be an admin). I trust you, so if you have any sage advice, or you've got a T. rex to sick on someone (other than me of course), I'd appreciate it. Orangemarlin 05:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)