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Hi! How are you? 24.160.241.190 02:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Userpages

You should have incremented the total number of vandalisms to 13 in his userbox. Talmage 04:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Joehazelton is back

This sockpuppet you have banned is back as Willie Peter . He's been able to hoodwink a sympathetic admin, but is up to his old tricks. Propol has tagged him as a Hazelton sockpuppet, and he (true to form) has removed the tag from his page . I'd appreciate your looking into this, as you previously blocked him . His IP is within the series of several Joehazelton socks., and his disruptive edits, combativeness, misspellings, grammatical mistakes, ersatz literary references, and threats are the same as ever. Another Joehazelton parallel: the account, less than one week old, is (to quote you) "displaying a shocking familiarity with Misplaced Pages policies and norms." Thanks for any help you can provide. Eleemosynary 05:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to agree, on that; the pattern is very similar, both in terms of their behavior and diction. I've blocked indef, for the time being. – Luna Santin (talk) 06:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. You're the best. May flights of barnstars sing thee to thy rest. Eleemosynary 06:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Luna, can you take me through the evidence that led to this block? All I noticed was similarity in misspelling ("grammer").--Chaser - T 06:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll email you about it, shortly. – Luna Santin (talk) 06:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, again. The sock is scrubbing Propol's evidence from his Talk page, which is par for the course. Can you possibly block him from it? -- Eleemosynary 07:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Emailed away. I think I'll hold off on further action until Chaser has a chance to look things over. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, again. Looks like he's running to every Kinko's in Texas now. Would you mind blocking his latest IP? The diffs say it all. Thanks. -- Eleemosynary 04:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... blocked. I'll see if I can keep a closer eye on some of this. Perhaps I'll start up another sockwatch page. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Evidently, drinks were half price tonight. Here's another IP the poor boy's using. You may want to block it. Eleemosynary 04:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipeida has now made a new Enemy

NOW I will tell you something, WIKIPEIDA is full of jackasses. I will now, instead of spending my energies contributing to Misplaced Pages, I will now spend it by, diminishing it, and by a letter writing campaign to all my local area office holders, as to the evil and abuse found on Misplaced Pages. The slander, lies and the like, hiding under section 230 of the CDA 1996. I will lobby now, as hard as I can now for change in that law, and the accountability of those that rule this Animal Farm of lies and abuse of process. Don't underestimate my influence, for I have many friends and all of them consider Wikipeida a "clear and present danger" to the internet at large.

You have now made a very angry and powerful enemy for Wikipeida. 68.75.162.79 07:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC) on behalf of Willie_Peter.

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Third Screen Film Festival

Luna,

Some time ago you took down our posting for Thirdscreenfilmfestival.com. You said that we should not use Misplaced Pages as an advertising vehicle(we were not intending to do that, just inform). Recently, however, you have allowed a wiki for the TV/Internet show "On the Lot", which is the same principle as our festival. Now, is it Misplaced Pages's intention to allow high level productions to advertise on their site, only to turn around and call a small (we had over 1 million hits in October), website like ours an advertising ploy? I am failing to see what the difference is.

I would log in, but I think that my account was canceled when our posting was taken down.

Any answers would be greatly appreciated,

Joe Chambers —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.167.84.115 (talk)

Unfortunately, I don't recall the article you're referring to; a quick search of my deletions hasn't yet yielded any matches, and I haven't managed to find similar articles in any likely permutations of the article name -- it'll be difficult for me to give you a very complete response without seeing the deletion log of the article in question. In general, though, you seem to be under the misimpression that I make every decision (or even a majority of decisions) relating to Misplaced Pages's daily operations -- in a website with several thousand accounts registered daily and something on the order of two to three edits per second, I am only one user. Given the nature of your message, I'd encourage you to consider our guidelines regarding conflicts of interest -- where I'm guessing you (or someone you work with) wrote an autobiographical article and popped it into place, you may notice that the On the Lot article is a collaboration over several months (with 139 unique editors since April 2006) regarding a nationally televised show. So, again, you may wish to review Misplaced Pages's notability and conflict of interest guidelines.

If you can get me a link to where the deleted article used to be, I might be able to offer something more specific. Otherwise, if you feel I'm being particularly unreasonable, you're free to request a deletion review. – Luna Santin (talk) 20:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

how do you

add an image to a page? --Sacksofffifth 01:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:IMAGE will probably do a better job explaining that than I could. :) Other option, of course, check the cheat sheet or see how it's been done on other articles you see. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I see you've met our dear, dear friend...

Charming, isn't he? I'm not sure if you're familiar with the dossier, but if not, here it is: Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/SummerThunder. The guy must be off his meds again -- we've had a whole month of silence up to now. He should be mercilessly clubbed with the banning bat when- and wherever he appears. Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 05:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, I was thinking that looked a bit familiar. ;) Thanks, will keep an eye out for any more of the same. – Luna Santin (talk) 06:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

A question

how do you get a page to show up when searched on Google?--TTNJ 20:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

That's quite a complicated question. ;) If you're curious about a page on Misplaced Pages, then it may show up on Google once their web crawler runs another update for en.wikipedia.org; if you're talking about another website, you're getting much further into search engine optimization than I can take you. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

how often does their web crawler update the pages? yeah that is what i mean, like if i type in Albert Einstein on google, it will give me the link to the wikipedia page. I was just wondering if you had to have some sort of arangement or if google automatically shows all pages on wikipedia.--TTNJ 21:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

On that, I actually don't know. For a site this large, they probably don't do the whole thing at once, either. I'm thinking I kind've remember hearing something to the effect of weeks between updates, or perhaps months on the high end, but that's really a guess on my part. I'll see if I can maybe get a more definite answer, later, from someone more involved in these sorts of things. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

You're quick!

Heh, went to mark that "Master decoy" for speedy delete, but it was already gone! Keep up the good work! Dan 21:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course. :) Thanks. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Erm, as a completely unrelated side note, woult you be able to take a look at what's going on at List of Death Note manga? There seems to be an edit war, the 3RR has been broken, and I'm just a bit concerned that there should maybe be something done about it. Just thought I'd bring that to someone's attention. Dan 21:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... left a note to two of the involved users, hopefully that covers things, for now. I'll check back in a bit. Let me know if things don't improve. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Will do, though I also dropped a note on the "Requests for Protection" page. I don't think it'd hurt to have the page protected until July third, that's just my opinion though. Dan 23:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I think I'll protect if the edit war gets any worse (I prefer to leave articles open for editing, if I can help it) -- the "wait and see" approach, in other words; if another admin responds to your request differently, I have no objection. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. I appreciate you taking your time to look into this. I'm trying to do my best to help out the project in any way I can. Thank you for your time. :3 Dan 23:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

And thank you for bringing that up for admin attention. :) Checking back in, this morning, and I see Riana's protected the page after the edit war continued. – Luna Santin (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your guidance

I appreciate your assistance and helpful hints.

Aloha, Chuck Shipman

Of course! Let me know if you have any questions; I don't always have answers, but I can frequently at least point you towards the people or places that might. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Anabolic Steroids Article

I am completely disturbed by the Anabolic steroid article on wikipedia. It is neither broad in content nor neutral in expression. More specifically, it seems controlled by a single editor who excludes important scholarship on the health risks and serious adverse effects of steroid abuse. This exclusion not only undermines the factual integrity of the article, but also presents a potentially dangerous representation of a serious health concern. I'm not sure exactly where to turn for help, though I have posted it for review under the GA section; is there anything that can be done to remove the 'ownership' this editor has taken over the article and the biased representation of it? Indubitocogito 21:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)Indubitocogito

Hm, I do see that Wikidudeman has made a large number of edits to both the talk page and the article, so that's probably who you had in mind, I'm guessing? At first glance, it looks like most of his recent reverts at the article itself are cleaning up after simple vandalism, which is pretty common when people put a lot of work into an article -- once they're done making immediate changes, they watch it for the general nonsense Misplaced Pages articles are inherently vulnerable to. While their replies to you on the talk page clearly indicate someone who's invested a lot of time in the article, they do actually seem quite willing to discuss things with you, in a generally civil manner -- unless I've missed something serious, they don't seem to be attacking you, avoiding debate, or otherwise being disruptive. They do happen to think they're right, but don't we all? ;) If I have missed a more serious issue, do let me know, but my first impression is that the group of you should be able to work out your differences and reach a consensus; if need be, you can make use of our dispute resolution process, including both the mediation cabal and requests for third opinion, as needed. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi again

You mentioned your willingness to try to solve some issues between me and User:Yug by having a word with him, and I'm wondering if you're still willing.

Since he was blocked, he has adopted a policy of sarcastic, reactionary commentary regarding me. His latest weirdness is an "invisible" reply (diff) to a comment I placed on his talk page regarding a recent post by him on the Talk:CJK strokes page (diff).

All I'm trying to do is create an encyclopaedia here. As an admin, Yug really should know better than to behave the way he is. I really would just like for him to stick with the policies regarding posts: assume good faith, don't be a dick, stick to discussion of the article, and so on. All this nonsense about "not being allowed to do things" and "amateur knowledge" isn't productive. Exploding Boy 23:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hiding discussion seems a pretty obvious no-go, I've removed the comment tags. Beyond that... I'll check back in, tonight, and see if I've figured out something I might do or say to make myself more useful, with regards to this. I need some time to think, but hopefully whatever I think of will be good. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Exploding Boy 00:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... he hasn't been active, since then. – Luna Santin (talk) 19:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Luna Santin. I hiden a answer, write by myself, on my own talk page, because it was not complete and need to be complete before to be "public". I currently haven't lot of free time, and do my best to avoid mistakes (Talk:CJK strokes), and to explain my opinions with the few minutes I can find.

If you notice a strange behavior from me, please simply ask me.

I will have more free time soon (Saturday ? Monday ?), and I will do my best to explain more.

Yug (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Probably easiest if you just say that, then -- people seeing hidden comments may suspect foul play, or other unusual behavior. It's quite alright to say you'll get back to him when you have more time. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

This is really convenient and not really polite. Exploding boy disallowed me to edit one of "his post", despite the stroked sentence was false (see here). In the other hand, you, you are perfectly allow to edit my own post, on my own talk page, without first asking me explanations. That confusing. I'm I already guilty ?

In the same way, EB alarmingly noticing you that "Yug said he plan to revert some changes made by MSJapan", before I did anything, this is it fair ?

As French wikipedian, and as French admin, I first know that we should not make biases to get opponent blocked.

--Yug (talk) 11:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I also want notice that I'm interesting by facts, not by beautiful sentences. In example :

"All this nonsense about "not being allowed to do things" and "amateur knowledge" isn't productive. EB, 27 June 2007"

If I said that EB haven't the knowledge need to lead these article, it's because I sincerely think it. I already explained why, cited my sources, which EB never matched. This is de facto the core of the trouble, EB recently showed again his will to lead the Stroke order article, not only on spelling check.

If I said that to "not being allowed to do things", it's because I made the deal to don't edit the Stroke order article in exchange to English copyediting help, which didn't come, except from EB but...

For "isn't productive", I think that hasty reverts are not productive. I also think that the word by word and so endless talk proposed by EB to correct my English, despite my good faith encouragement to make wide and quick corrections (here: 2 hours = one word change), this is de facto unproductive.

Words can be beautiful, but I want DE FACTO fair, frank and workable involvement, not nice words.

--Yug (talk) 11:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary...

I just had to comment on an edit summary of yours that made me laugh... "Kurdistan - resolved?". I wish we could solve all the problems of Kurdistan at AN/I. :) Pinball22 17:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

*laughs* I hadn't even thought of that. Excellent way to start out the day, no? :) That's just about worth a barnstar, right there. – Luna Santin (talk) 19:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

External LInks Issue at Spylocked

Hello Luna,

I am a registered user at Misplaced Pages, ES101... I have been posting links and checking on external links at Spylocked page. I have noticed that you have been in conversation with Mike1D who was earlier also being asked to stop spamming at wikipedia on that page.

Now if you see the talk page of spylocked you would see i have given a good explanation of why links to SpywareSignatures.com free removal tools is a good idea and other admins/mod or wiki agreed to it.

Please read this

Hello Otto, respecting Misplaced Pages's policies here are some points covering your querries with Spylocked Page.

I have been posting links to SpywareSignatures Tool which removes spylocked, THat tool really works well and is even being recommeded by MVPs in the One care and Microsoft Support forums.

Here you might want to see it

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1426598&SiteID=17

The page from where it is downloaded has more than 15K hits in last couple of months.

Moreover its a popular download on Download.com

http://www.download.com/Free-SpyLocked-Removal-Tool/3000-8022_4-10667426.html?tag=lst-0-1

This software is downloaded over 3000 times since 9th May. ( NOW ITS OVER 6000 )

I would suggest you to download this tool once and test it against spylocked as you did with CounterSpy.

I hope it helps.

Please let me know if the links i posted were SPAM, and i would quit posting.

Best Regards ES101

To my opinion it is appropriate to put a link to the tools mentioned above by ES101. I have requested attention for this revert war on Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_alerts#Edit_war_at_Spylocked. Otto 17:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I have words with several mods here and explaind them the benifit of the free tool and all have agreed to it. Please let me know if you have any question about the tool.

Also let me tell you one more thing.

Also there is another link added frequestly that takes to xp-vista(dot)com which promotes SpyHunter which is a former rogue antispyware... it would ask you to download spyhunter but to remove anything you would need to pay $$..

Please check. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Es101 (talk • contribs) 30 June 2007.

In general, if people want medical, technical, or legal help, they should go to websites which provide such things. Misplaced Pages does not provide any of those things (see our general disclaimer), and pretending that we can, should, or intend to is both dangerous for our project and more than a little dishonest to people in need of help. We are not experts and should not pose as experts; people needing expert help should find that help elsewhere. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for handling my auto-block problem.--Southern Texas 22:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course. Seeing as it was my fault, it seems only appropriate. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Checkuser clerking

Yeah, it is slightly confusing. And thanks for the compliment on the picture :P. Kwsn 01:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser request

Luna, I really need help with my checkuser request. I am struggling with how to do this properly. This person (user Qworty, not Geri Litton) is probably the sockpuppeter. He has a mammoth amount of sockpuppets on wikipedia and under Geri Litton's username, has published information about me on the "welfare: financial aid" page which would ONLY be known to him and which constitutes a serious invasion of my privacy. Should this request be a category "G," though? I know Qworty has vandalized under his username (see his history with user Alabamaboy's edits), and I have a list of his known and suspected socks. How do I put this on the checkuser request? Thanks, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mountainwriter (talk • contribs) 1 July 2007.

In general, the rationale provided for a check is probably more important than the particular code letter provided -- if we are splitting hairs over code letters, or can't pick one, it's fine to go with G (the "general case" letter). As far as a list of sockpuppets, if you direct me to this list, I can look into adding it to the request for you. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Your Mysterious Note

Please provide an explanation for your edits. See how to use a talk page. Thanks! – Luna Santin (talk) 00:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Which edits? See how to use a talk page. Cheers! 70.23.164.215 03:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied to your talk. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Just stopped by to say thanks for reverting vandalism on my userpage! -- RattleMan 21:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Camilo Pombo

Hello Luna Satin,

I was “Googling” Camilo Pombo and found this again:

“User talk:Luna Santin/Archive 27 - Misplaced Pages, the 💕 The profile for Camilo Pombo should be investigated because he is a criminal that is not being portayed as the real person that he is...”

Can you please explain to me why Google keeps this in, and not the one I sent you a couple of weeks ago? I don't really want to think that you are helping anyone that wants to hurt this guy, or any one else... are you?

Thank you,

Pretty Pettite

You'd have to ask Google about that; I haven't even thought of this since the message you mention, that I can recall. Perhaps my talk archives have a high pagerank? Not sure if there's much I can do about that. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

My Apologizes

I apologize for allowing my opinions to get in the way while editing the September 11 "day of the year" page. I actually do stay fairly neutral, but for some reason, I "strayed" on this one...that is on me. For that, I am sorry. If you like, I will remove the posts in question or just strike them from the record.

Again, my apologizes and I will work so that it doesn't happen in the future. Take Care...NeutralHomer 05:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Nah, if anything, I'm a little surprised I'm not more passionate about this. :) I know you were (and are!) acting in good faith, and that means a lot, at least to me. Your self-awareness and restraint is impressive, I'd say. – Luna Santin (talk) 05:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Maybe I should now report myself as a sockpuppet of myself? :o) Nah...I think I have been in enough trouble already for one week, and it is only Monday...thank you... --Zeraeph 17:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

You've got all week to figure out how you'll turn yourself in, eh? ;) I'll be running off to class in a few minutes, here, but if you run into any more problems, I (or another) admin should check back before too long. – Luna Santin (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

You're good!

I was in the process of reporting User:Tar concr at ANI when I noticed you had already taken appropriate steps. Thanks very much for such timely action : ) Doc Tropics 17:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course. :) Thanks. – Luna Santin (talk) 17:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. That was the second time by the same IP. (Duane543 00:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC))

Of course. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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Deletion of Joseph Rose

Hi Luna, why was the Joseph Rose page deleted? Was it unscholarly or something? I never actually saw it; Rose was a fairly influential 18th Century artisan and collaborated with Robert Adam, is he considered not important? If another page were added would it also be deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hippokrates (talk • contribs) 3 July 2007.

Nope, the article I deleted referred to a present-day artist in the Philadelphia area; sounds like we're looking at different people. I should have used a more descriptive deletion summary (I was a pretty new admin, at the time I deleted that particular page). If you'd like to create a new article there, feel very free. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

I'd like to invite you to join the WikiProject R&B and Soul Music. We are currently on demand for new members, the project was dying, but with your help we can revive it and make it one of the best WikiProjects. Make me sure that you'll think about this and remember cooperative works can do amazing things. Regards Eduemoni 13:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Happy Luna's Day!

Luna Santin has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Luna's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Luna! Love, Phaedriel 00:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

Happy Luna's Day, Luna! :) Hope ya have a good day. - NeutralHomer 00:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Likewise. Have a peachy day :) Gracenotes § 00:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Excellent: I am glad today is your day, Luna Santin! :) Acalamari 00:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Wahoo! It's Luna-San's day! :D Have an excellent day, Luna. --Iamunknown 00:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Woah! That's pretty cool. Think I noticed Gurch was up for this, not too long ago, and he said I might be, so I guess he really wasn't kidding. XD Well, ah, I don't think I'm very good at taking compliments gracefully, but thank you for the recognition, and for spreading good spirits in the community. :D – Luna Santin (talk) 01:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I wonder why Phaedriel didn't put this as the image?

***Miranda scratches head.
***Miranda bites Luna-San.
***Miranda scratches head again.

Miranda 04:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

With the one earring, that guy is so stylin' – Luna Santin (talk) 04:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, well done! I was just dropping by to say a friendly thanks for taking care of the U2 IP vandal. (Pity he got one more in before you took care of him!) Happy Luna Day! (Which would technically make it Moon day ... or Monday ... and I Don't Like Mondays ... bah!) Confusing Manifestation 07:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for catching that one. I must be getting slow with all this celebratory cake. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		You revert vandalism before I even get to touch it! H irohisat 06:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Oho, thanks! :) Keep up the good work, yourself, we need all the help we can get, I think. – Luna Santin (talk) 06:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

those notability templates...

Were added by a single user (TTN) at the rate of 13 a minute. Removing them as indiscriminately as they were added shouldn't be a blockable offense, if you ask me. -N 07:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It's more the complete failure to respond to any talk page messages that concerns me; the user's emailed me, I'll see what they have to say. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Alrighty. User's unblocked. As I mentioned on their talk page, I'd be happy to, er, re-revert myself if I see some discussion suggesting I should (anywhere is fine, village pump, admin noticeboard, talk, user talk, wikiproject, wherever you like); if you'd rather just go at it, I'll try and stay out of your way. Apologies for the fuss. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Meh, it's not a battle I want to get into. I would have removed the templates myself had I not wanted to get into an edit war. In fact, the major irritation was the template itself, which was deleted and redirected at tfd, so I'm not unhappy about it. The user should have engaged dialogue, you're right. You're not in my way at all. I was just giving unsolicited 2 pence. -N 07:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

And (just to cover my ass) please note I am not sticking up for this user, merely pointing out that a LOT of people wanted to do the exact same thing. If for some reason he turns out to be a vandal I don't want to be blamed :P -N 08:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I wouldn't hold it against you, either way. :p Appreciate your concerns, all of them, though. Thanks. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: userbox

Not at all! I was the one who'd originally proposed the user category for deletion, and it was through my userbox that I actually noticed it. (: Octane 04.07.07 1853 (UTC)

Aha. :) Well, thanks, then. – Luna Santin (talk) 19:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: user:Yug

Hi. I don't know whether you even still want to be involved, but I'm becoming very frustrated by this user's ongoing issues with me.

I've responded to Yug's long list of accusations about me on his talk page. I haven't edited any of the Stroke order-related articles for several weeks. I've generally stayed away from Yug. Yet he continues to maintain a long page all about me with a link to the Arbitration Committee at the top that contains stuff that's more or less ancient history (including a link to a post some other user made about me in 2005 -- a user who was known for his tendentious style of discussion and who hasn't even edited Misplaced Pages at all for 19 months now), and a look at Yug's contribution history suggests that most of his energy over the last couple of weeks has been devoted to me.

The latest round of accusations seem to have been brought on by my suggestion that two closely related articles, Stroke order and Stroke (CJK character), be merged -- a proposal mind you, not an actual merge. There was almost no discussion of the merge, though it should be noted that there was at least one other support for the proposal.

What I would like at this point is for Yug to delete the page User:Yug/EB, to get back to work editing, and to stop devoting so much time to complaining about me and gathering "evidence" about me for whatever obscure reason. Given that I haven't made any edits at all to the relevant articles for several weeks (and no substantial edits for even longer than that), I can't understand this ongoing issue. Exploding Boy 22:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Stop to biases summaries of the pages. I want facts. I want you show me that you have more knowledge than me on the subject, or that you admit that you haven't. Your merging proposal is an other misunderstanding of both Stroke order and CJK strokes, and yes, I say it again : an user who proved several time having uncomplete knowledge on an issue should not undo more expert-user work.

Prove me that you have more knowledge than me, or withdraw.

Last thing : instead of moving again the talk to an other place, read my claims, truly. --Yug (talk) 22:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

To Yug: Expertise is not a prerequisite of editing, and never has been. You're free to oppose EB's merge proposal, but I don't see how you can claim it was made in bad faith. It's not clear to me how EB's summary of events is biased. If you might just, y'know, play nice and such for awhile, he might even be willing to work with you. Simply insisting on having your way (and keeping infantile evidence pages on anyone who disagrees) is rarely the way to go. Perhaps your knowledge of English does not allow you to display more finesse; if so, that is unfortunate, but I don't know if I'm ready to accept it as an excuse. This soap opera has gone on far too long. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I never claimed he made it in bad faith. Expertise is not a prerequisite, that's right, but if EB want make content change, undoing what I did, he have to explain why, and show that he have more knowledge on this issue, or withdraw.

I accepted the fact that my English is not good, can EB accept to show is knowledge or to withdraw. --Yug (talk) 09:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That, you'd have to take up with EB. – Luna Santin (talk) 09:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

"Withdraw"? Any person can edit any article on Misplaced Pages; expertise is not a prerequisite, only factual accuracy and verifiability. In addition, I've never used claims of expertise in regards to my edits: I've never once made reference to my credentials in support of changes I've made or proposed to any article. I don't understand Yug's problem, really. Instead of getting on with editing, he's rehashing and rehashing issues he's blown out of all proportion regarding articles I haven't even touched for weeks.

Indeed, it's ironic that Yug claims that I'm trying to "own" certain articles, when he's made it abundantly clear that he's trying to do exactly that. This is really just an extended temper tantrum that I strongly advise Yug to get under control. I've done all I can to diffuse the situation: I've stayed away from Yug. I've stopped editing the articles in question. Yug's behaviour is akin to stalking, and it's becoming harassment. Exploding Boy 16:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

All the trouble is that we both aim to "control" this article. These 6 months shown me that I haven't the English need to do so, and that you haven't the knowledge need to do so (you wrote or never corrected : "characters were first carved" ; the never-seen-otherwhere rules about 上 ; set the Japanese order as the world wide rules; now putting the Main-China rules as universal ; "some are the characters 廴，癶，禸，辶，阝" ; the current point 3 which is not a rules but an exception from Cursive ; and the current point 7 which is a misunderstanding of the previous rules and of CJK characters ; keep the uncomplete Unicode 16 CJK stroke set ; image should have 10 strokes not 9 ; image have one simplification ; the 3 national schools of stroke order is also a simplification).

I'm now astonished by your recent misleading content change proposal, which with almost no explanation plan to undo an (my) already fully explained split (see talk).

I totally stopped to add bad English into this article, right ? Can you stop to make or propose misleading de facto revert ?

--Yug (talk) 18:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

This, actually, ask you to show is knowledge, explain fully, or to withdraw. --Yug (talk) 18:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Speak for yourself. I have no need to control that or any other article. And I have no idea what "recent misleading content change proposal" you're talking about. Frankly, I'm beginning to think you're a little crazy, and will no longer be responding to you on this subject. Discuss my edits if I make any. Otherwise, leave me alone. Exploding Boy 18:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Lions And Tigers And Entertainment, Oh My!

Thank you for reverting vandalism on my talk page. Apparently the guy is upset I tagged his favorite non-notable band for deletion. Thanks again. :) -WarthogDemon 15:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Conflict interests

Yes, you were right, I was blocked unfair by miika. It was a true case of interest conflict.--Tones benefit 17:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)