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Tablighi_Jamaat#Allegations_of_Violence_and_Islamic_Extremism

Dear FayssalF,

The above section of the article has some exceptional claims which are not cited. Some editors insist that the section stays though non of the claims there have been proved with reliable sources. The contents of the section to me looks more like mere speculation. Could you please look into this matter. thanks in advance NëŧΜǒńğer 11:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Its sorted out the editor has agreed and provided citations and has removed uncited claims. NëŧΜǒńğer 16:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

It is not sorted out, to my satisfaction. I told User:Netmonger that even their best friends would counsel them not to claim authority under WP:VER for the removal of the link to the article Tablighi Jamaat and allegations of terrorism, which is an extremely well-referenced article. And I urged them to curb their predilection to level poorly researched and inappropriate accusations. I found User:Netmonger gave the appearance of an alarmingly unwillingness to consider the possibility that they might have made a mistake.

The reason I am not satisfied is that I thought it was likely that User:Netmonger was going to ignore my well-intentioned advice. And their comment here strengthens that impression.

Cheers! Geo Swan 19:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

First of all my apologize to Fayssal for dragging you into this, I've made my final comment on the matter here, and don't want waste everyones time with this anymore. It's sorted to the satisfaction of wikipedia policies and guidelines thats all that matters. NëŧΜǒńğer 13:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Film lists

Hi Fayssal how are you these days?. Hey I'm getting there slowly on the lists - I can't solely concentrate on them but I work better if I do them gradually. See List of British films, List of Italian films List of Argentine films, List of Bollywood films for development and also I have just begun List of American films - the biggest task of them all. The naviagation box looks global now most of the lists created by me. The next task will be to add bulk them all out with all the missing films and then add the entirety of articles on films and actors!!!:

Débordé

Fayssal me parait débordé par bien des sujets sensibles en ce moment il à du prendre un peu de distance et de reposTostempscurios 17:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah non! Pas du tout Jean-Claude! Je suis en congé en... Floride?! Ouais, c'est bien ça. Et toi, ça va? -- FayssalF - 19:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

C'est bien ce que je disais du repos sous les palmiers ou sur Miami beach avenue !! mois ca va je suis a la retraite et en vacances tous les jours.. Bonnes vacances

Tostempscurios 20:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Lisez a l'occasion cette page, parmi bien d'autres : Cornered

http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesPublicSite/ArticlePrintPage.aspx?id=1757558&language=en

et demandons un don pour Misplaced Pages !Tostempscurios 21:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Fatimah Zahra

Salam. Please pay attention to this article. It may be POV. Unfortunately I'm almost sure that a wikipedian thinks he is the owner of the article.. I put comments in his talk page but I don't have enough time to discuss with him. God bless you.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

Would like to join us on Arabic wikipedia . We have a lack of very important articles and of serious contributors and I think that your experience on wp:en can help us a lot to make wp:ar better . Sorry for my English and if you can pass this message to any interested contributors i would be very grateful .ar:user:Omar86

Invitation

Would like to know whether you care to comment on here as to whether the source Tamilnet violates WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE. Thanks Taprobanus 17:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Omar Hayssam

Greetings. I've asked Anas Salloum for his opinion on this article; he said you could also provide one. May I ask, then: how do you see the issue? Thanks for your help. Biruitorul 22:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for your note about admin coaching

Hi FayssalF,
Thanks for the good advice about the division of article space from wikispace and about familiarizing myself with the former--I'm writing to check in with you because I've learned a bunch about both spaces in the past few weeks and I'd like to know how you think I should proceed. Like I say, my goal is not necessarily to become an administrator, but to become the most productive member of the community that I can. What do you think? I sure appreciate your time and consideration.
warm regards,
Cyrusc 02:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Cyrusc. I've had a look this time to your contribs details and noticed the progress made. I've also had a look particularly at your contributions to the environment project. Good job.

Ok. Now, and since you get yourself a bit familiarized w/ the wikispace i think it is time to move on to the next stage.

The first thing to do before anything else now is to read and understand Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines. If you find anything confusing, please ask me. I say this because the way admins intreprete some policies and guidelines differ from an admin to another. Some admins are rouge (like myself? ;)), others are more patient. You can also check Misplaced Pages:Administrators' reading list.

Please note that administrators main task is to resolve conflicts between editors. So in order to achieve that, i suppose all admins have the WP:ANI watchlisted. The ANI page is the cnsidered the most active page in the whole project. So it is essential for you now to start watching it as well and understand how admins deal w/ the different reports. You may also think about starting participating in the ANI page by suggesting remedies or advising/counseling. Many non-admins do that in fact.

There are of course other tasks which admins take care of (closing AfDs, protecting/unprotecting articles, deleting innapropriate pages according to WP:SPEEDY, etc)

These are the important Wikispace pages that you MUST participate at to get more experienced about the admin tasks.

• WP:RFPP (observe how admins decide to accept a request or reject it)
• WP:AIV (observe how admins decide about the durations of blocks)
• WP:AFD (observe how admins close a debate)

I think this will be enough for this stage. Please do not hesitate to contact me anytime. Good luck. -- FayssalF - 13:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a page

Hi Faysal, u have crated a page "Shrug people" and got information from some people who said to "Know" something but according to sonme members and myself i would say Hoax, so i am asking you to delete it. thanbksBalu2000 11:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

You mean you have created it instead :) Well, i'll nominate it for AfD instead. That way it will be more formal. -- FayssalF - 13:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Faysal Mate

Can you help out on the Maghrebine pages and this bizarre edit war set off by Mariam83? As I noted in comments, I don't even necessarily disagree with some (even a good many) of her edits, but the wholesale vandalistic editing with refusal to discuss at all is bloody stunning. Also rather disturbing is the editing on the African connexion angle, mate, as well as her comments on pages re 3bid, quite racialistic. Best collounsbury 14:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC).

I'll do my best asap. No worries. -- FayssalF - 14:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Military

Hi Fayssal. Okay, I'll have a little think ...  ← Roger →   15:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Roger. -- FayssalF - 15:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten and I have started working on it. Too many distractions at the moment. I'll deal with it before the weekend is over. Thank you for not nagging. ROGER  15:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes I have Created it im so sorry, is it any possible for you to delete it? thanksBalu2000 19:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

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advice about task force

Hi FayssalF,

Thank you for the excellent advice about admin culture. I have duly watchlisted WP:ANI, WP:RFPP, WP:AFD, and WP:AIV; I look forward to learning enough about these processes to participate in them actively.

I am writing you today because you are a member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Politics. I have an idea for a task force which I began working on yesterday. Here is the page where I have been organizing my thoughts: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Politics/money and politics task force.

To my chagrin, I have just learned that I probably should have gathered consensus from WP:PJ Politics members before starting a page. My question for you is, how should I proceed with my idea for the task force? I am confident that members of the Politics project would support it, provided that I sought that support tactfully.

Thank you again for your help,

Cyrusc 02:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Cyrusc. It happens and you don't have to worry about it. You are learning and as long as you agree that you have done it in a rush w/o consulting anybody then there's nothing to worry about.

Well, instead of explaining to you the process, i suggest you have a look at how we proceeded when we first wanted to create:

• Proposals for new task forces
• Proposal for creating the Ottoman task force
• African military history task force -- FayssalF - 15:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks FayssalF,

I posted my proposal on what I hope is the right talk page. Cyrusc 23:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Assistance / Advice on the Mariam83 person

Mate, I really don't know what the best approach here is. As Admin perhaps you can direct me to the proper channels. Aside from inundating my formerly peaceful talk pages, she/he/it is going back to the same hectoring editing her/his/its peculiar views are the facts etc. as before. I can either give up, or .... what? Don't particularly want my entire talk page being filled with this. collounsbury 18:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Arabic numerals

Hello Fayssalf In this page Wikimediaand elsewhere, User try to impose that the Arab numerals are Indian figures without any clear obviousness or only one manuscript, each stating only. All that I request is that all the voices are heard.--Manssour 09:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Maghreb

I think it is time you unlocked the Maghreb page, as it contains some false information that needs to be removed/edited. You are also in dire need of a history lesson. I urge you to learn more about the region from which you come. As far as I know, Morocco is not part of the United Nations of the African Jungle, and Maghreb explicitly means, nations bordering the Mediterranean or Red Sea. If as an admin the content does not interest you, then perhaps you should not lock pages at the request of contributors whose intent it is to distort content! Thank you Mariam83 16:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Again and again, you seem you haven't learned anything about how wikipedia works. Your rants are still being the rule instead of an exception. Admins lock pages when a "cool down" period to stop an edit war is needed. Read well Misplaced Pages:Protection policy. On the other hand, protection expires automatically as noted in the edit summary here.

As for you urging me to read about the history of the Maghreb, i find it weird since neither a researcher nor any concerned party contacted me before you. So i'd assume you are kidding. You stop your harassment, ranting, insulting, racist remarks toward African users, legal threats, accusing admins or else you'd be out of this place as per our multiple policies and guidelines. -- FayssalF - 13:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Well Well look what the trace brought up, the same issues we are having with Mariam83, i suggest some sort of action is required.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 19:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

ad

This WP:MILHIST ad created by User:Miranda. :⇒ SWATJester 16:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Next Step

In the ANI, you suggested a way forward. I want to know exactly about what ? Is it about content dispute or source dispute that we should take to the next step? I have been following the wiki process about the RS status of Tamilnet. We talked about in ANI, took it to WP:RS talk page received neutral opinion then took it to number of talk pages, especially Sarathambal and Ilayathambi Tharsini pages as our test cases. One is protected for a month with way forward that noone has contested and another is just undergone major editing with invitation out for the "warriors" to participate. Looks like one has responded. In my opinion, only if these efforts fail should we take it to the next level ? Just my opinion. Thanks Taprobanus 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Request your advice about Angelo Victor Mercure

Hi FayssalF,

I was just granted adminship this morning. Thank you for serving as my admin coach and providing advice when I needed it.

I hope I can still come to you from time to time when I need advice. I may need it more often in these first days as an admin as I learn how to make admin decisions.

For instance, I am looking at a CSD for Angelo Victor Mercure which asserts that it is a copyvio. And it is... However, User:Angelomercure has asserted that the material is his and that he is the one uploading it. If we don't consider Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest, we could just ask Angelo to slap the appropriate copyleft free license on the material and be done with it.

However, on reviewing the material in the article, I'm not sure that Mr. Mercure is notable and thus I think the article qualifies under A7 instead of G12.

Should I just go ahead and delete it, explaining my reasoning and leaving a note for Mr. Mercure on his Talk Page?

Or, do you have a different suggestion?

Thanx.

--Richard 06:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. I just got my answer. User:Seraphimblade deleted the article citing the additional CSD criteria that I mentioned above. I'm just being a little cautious as I start carrying out admin duties. Better safe than sorry, eh?

--Richard 07:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar...

Thank you very much for the barnstar Fayssal. Lysandros 13:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

You have mail. Best, — Nearly Headless Nick 15:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Nick. i'll read it asap. Hope you are doing fine mate. -- FayssalF - 15:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Reverting

You didn't make an "argument" either. If you have no idea whether or not the categories should be included, then you should investigate, not revert. Jayjg 16:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't used an argument because it was up to you to use it. That was my point. Now:

• You are confusing "Western Sahara" (a region) with the gov't in exile "Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic".
• Western Sahara has Spanish speaking towns - wrong. Do you have any source? You mean that Tetouan (the former capital of Spanish Morocco) is a spanish speaking town as well?
• Under occupation - That i am not sure about. It is up to you and the other co-editors. -- FayssalF - 16:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

1. See this map: ]
2. Spanish_language#Africa
3. Then you shouldn't revert. 16:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Again. You were editing Western Sahara article and not the the SADR article. It is just like confusing Palestine and the PNA.

The refs mentioned in Spanish_language#Africa are a spam article and the CIA factbook which says nothing. -- FayssalF - 16:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

This is not a spam article. Jayjg 16:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Also see this map; click on number 38, or run your cursor over the territory. Jayjg 16:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

This is not a spam article. Jayjg 16:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

And this as well http://www.wsahara.net/people.html. Let me tell you that most Saharawis speak Spanish the same way i do in the northern part of Morocco. Meaning that we lived under Spanish protectorate/occupation for some time. That's all the story. As for the map Jay, i lready explained to you the point. Western Sahara is a territory. It is SADR which is a member of the AU. -- FayssalF - 16:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Reliable sources say that they are Spanish speaking; that's really all there is to say on the matter. Jayjg 18:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jay. By now it is obvious that there was a confusion between Western Sahara as a disputed territory, and the SADR (Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic), the self-declared government-in-exile of the Polisario front, which is a member of the AU. As to the language, the population is Arabic speaking the Hassanya dialect. Spanish might be more or less understood by over 40 years aged. Nowadays French is the first foreign language, as in the rest of Morocco. When we come to the third point, occupied or disputed, you said that all occupied territories are disputed. That is true, but the opposite is not true; a disputed territory is claimed by two or more parties where in the end it will either belong to one party or a sort of compromise is reached between the parties on how the solution would be. If you say that Morocco is occupying Western Sahara, then why was the UN calling for a referendum where one of the options is integration with Morocco? would not that be approving occupation?. As of June 2007, the UN is holding direct talks between Morocco and the Polisario to look for a solution to the disputed territory. As a last word, I find no better proof that WS is not occupied than your own statement:" By definition a territory can only be militarily occupied if it has not been annexed. Once it is annexed, it is no longer militarily occupied.". Morocco has annexed WS in the seventies and the "Southern provinces" are part of Morocco's geographical, political, economical, cultural,... reality. I hope this point is now also clarified.--A Jalil 21:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Classification system

OK. I'll organize my thoughts and post them to explain myself. It will take a day or two, as it seems to be a rather complex situaion. Richiar 18:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi FayssalF. Thank you for your support and kind words in my RfA, which passed with 95 support, 1 oppose, and 1 neutral !votes. It means a lot to me to have your individual support and the collective support of so many others. I truly will strive to carry myself at a level representing the trust bestowed in me as I use the mop to address the never-ending drips of discontent in need of caretaker assistance. Jreferee 08:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Aisha

Hi Fayssal,

If you could help in this dispute of mine with Arrow and Proab , I would be thankful (of course if you have time :) ).

As usual, we have a source and it says something, but Arrow and Proab oppose adding the material to wikipedia. --Aminz 08:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, please.

Aminz, please stop adding your sig to mainspace.Proabivouac 08:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

That was a mistake and thanks for removing it. But this doesn't have anything to do with the dispute and I don't know why you brought it up in relation to this dispute. --Aminz 08:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Even Watt says she was 9. Every serious scholar says that. You find a feminist author making vague statements about "some Muslims" and think it belongs in an encyclopedia? It doesn't. Arrow740 08:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Fayssal, please follow the discussion at Tom harrison's page. I've responded there. --Aminz 08:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Forget serious scholars, every primary source is in total agreement. Even were it untrue, upon what basis would scholars disagree? Even Aminz' source doesn't say she wasn't, only that some unspecified Muslims think she wasn't based on some arcane calculation. The primarly arena of dispute has been Misplaced Pages itself, and its time to put it to rest. We must also keep irrelevant "pedophile" charges out of mainspace. All this merits a grand total of one declarative sentence.Proabivouac 09:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

We are not supposed to judge what those Muslims think is true or not. We have to report the range of views. The arguments of those who believe otherwise is mentioned in the quote and it is not up to you to decide whether they think right or wrong. To refute the quote because those Muslims are unspecified (i.e. Asma hasn't listed their names) is amazing. --Aminz 09:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

We do have some standards here. Arrow740 09:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW, if you can find reliable sources for "pedophile" charges (which you can not find), you can add it. --Aminz 09:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

I see you visited my talk page. Something about my patience. I'm not sure which article you're referring to, but thanks. Peace. :) deeceevoice 17:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Your note

Hi Crum. Hope you are doing great. Could you please guide me to a report about blocking indef the above user? -- FayssalF - 12:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi FayssalF, User:Wassermann keeps editing despite his indefinite block, creating serious disruption by the combined set of his socks. For general history, see here. For more recent complaints (mostly using anon IPs in violation of his block), see here. After originally being blocked for incivility and personal attacks, he keeps evading his blocks with multiple IPs, totally refusing to accept responsibility. Crum375 13:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for replying Crum. I've seen and noted most of the controversial aspects of this issue. I just consider an indef block to be too harsh for such an established user. He's got many good edits. Blocking someone indef after his first block is not recommended, unless it is vandalism or repeated bad offenses. I've seen worse cases (Gone even thru ArbCom and User:Mike18xx cases) where both users are still editing. Please reconsider shortening your block. I hope you'd not mind if we discuss a block review at the AN/I to see what other admins think about. Thanks again Crum. -- FayssalF - 13:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

We've already had several ANI reports on him - if you'd like to start a new one, that's fine by me. Crum375 14:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw two reports on him. But this is about an indef block review. Thanks for your understanding. -- FayssalF - 14:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

He is still in indef block. He was offered numerous chances to show he understands and accepts our rules (see here and here). Instead, he keeps editing from anon IPs, ignoring the block, claiming we "can't stop him from improving the encyclopedia". He was told that each block evasion resets the block duration, but he just ignores us. Crum375 14:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes but the point is that block evasion doesn't warrant an automaticat indef block. In cases of block evasion, i usually block the IP for a long time or indef the sockpuppet account while extending the block for the main account (like doubling the period of block). It is just that the policy doesn't warrant an indef. 2 weeks or 1 month would have been fine. -- FayssalF - 14:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I am aware of the policies. See also here. The point is that he was (last) blocked for a week, with the hope that he would agree to follow the rules. instead, he keeps evading the block with socks, editing the same topics with the same general pattern, claiming we can't stop him. So his block was extended indefinitely pending his acceptance of the rules, de facto and de jure. He is still ignoring the rules by evading his block on a daily basis. Crum375 14:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

:) Yes but going from 1 week to indef is a bit harsh Crum. I am not questioning your block (which is legitimate) but the duration is inadequate and too harsh. We won't lose anything if we'd try to get other admins' view anyway. Cheers. -- FayssalF - 14:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

(outdent) I think you are missing the point, Fayssal. He is blocked indefinitely pending clarification. This means that his block can be reviewed and reduced at any time, if he demonstrates understanding, acceptance and compliance with the rules. As of now, he has never abided by any block - he keeps editing and ignoring the blocks. If we gave him a 2 week extension or a 2 year extension it wouldn't matter - he keeps editing the same general topics immediately with anon IPs, claiming we can't stop him. So the point is not block duration - it is the fact that he ignores and refuses to accept any block of any length. Crum375 14:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I wish i could have been a real Rouge admin ;) I am on that list but not sure if i am rouge enough. I totally agree that the user needs some type of rehabilitation as he is not a vandal or a high profile POV pusher. There are hundreds of users who act like him but we rehabilitate them instead. It takes time and patience but what to do! The transition from 1 week to indef seems punitive and not corrective. Sockpuppeting would not stop w/ indef blocks but may stop w/ a corrective block. I still think getting other admins' feedback would be helpful. -- FayssalF - 15:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no 'punitive' aspect at all to the 'indefinite pending clarification' block - it is simply a holding action pending his understanding, acceptance of and compliance with the rules. Once he gets to that point, his block can be reduced, he can show he can actually comply with a block for a change, and he can be given a chance to demonstrate his new behavior. Unfortunately, up to now he has totally ignored the rules, editing by anon IPs almost immediately. Other admins are of course more than welcome to review this case. Crum375 15:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't punitive at all as i know very well your good faith intentions Crum. It just has the punitive characteristics due to the lenght of the block. I am not questioning your block action at all as your admin actions are always respected (at least from my part as a co-admin). We are not sure that if we reduce his block he would stop the block evasion attitude but why not give it a try Crum? I've just started a thread at the ANI as most of the indef blocks are reported and reviewed there. Cheers. -- FayssalF - 15:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind remarks, Fayssal. I would support an immediate unblocking if I were convinced he was totally rehabilitated and would not regress to his old abusive editing pattern. So as I mentioned above, the current block duration is immaterial - I'd like to see him respect any block - up to now he just ignores them all and keeps on editing the same general topics. I tried to explain that to him, e.g. here, to no avail. He feels he has a god-given right to edit here, come hell or high water, and 'improve the encyclopedia'. Any editor or admin who stands in his way is just obstructing his important mission. Anyway, if there is a way to rehabilitate this person, I am all for it. I must say that my own optimism on ever being able to achieve that is waning. Crum375 16:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for you as well. Well, i have just left a note at his talkpage. Let's what would be his reaction before taking any action for now. -- FayssalF - 17:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA. It was successful, and I am now, may God have mercy on us all, an administrator. Look at all the new buttons! I had heard about 'protect,' 'block user,' and 'delete,' but no one told me about 'kill,' 'eject,' and 'purée.' I appreciate the trust the community has in me, and I'll try hard not to delete the main page or block Jimbo. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

My recent RfB

Thank you so much for your participation in my recent RfB. Though it closed with 72% support (below the required 90%), I'm still quite pleased at the outpouring of support shown by a fair percentage of the community.

I'm currently tabulating and calculating all opposing and neutral arguments to help me better address the community's concerns about my abilities as a bureaucrat. If you'd like, you can follow my progress (and/or provide additional suggestions) at User:EVula/admin/RfB notes. Thanks again!

However, I'll have to pass on the Senator bit; I'm quite content with just being an admin and 'crat. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Rktect

Hi Fayssal,

There is a fuller discussion here, though it got somewhat buried under God. Tewfik 18:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tewfik. Thanks for your message. Yes, i indeed participated at that thread ;) Still, my comments at the new thread still makes a lot of sense. Reverting edits as OR is just a poor way (especially when the edits are backed by references) when the talk page is open to everybody. I won't discuss the weight of sources but i mainly point out to the reverting w/o discussion behaviour. The thing i appreciate in you is that you are one of the editors who are keen to explain their actions to others. This is the thing Beit_Or should have done. -- FayssalF - 14:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey

Hi Fayssal,

There's currently a rv war going on here about the inclusion of content suggesting a genocide of Kurds in Turkey. I've been arguing it's undue weight and does not deserve a place in the article, i'd appreciate some fresh input. Thanks, --A.Garnet 11:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Fayssal, Nikosilver keep making exact same edits over and over again.. He changed your version again to his POV pushing one..Can you check the article again please..--laertes d 21:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello again,

Firstly, I appreciate your prompt involvement, but I have a problem with dedicating a section to Fernandes and that is this: What makes this scholars view so notable, or make him such an authority that his view deserves more coverage than say Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch? This is why I have justified the removal of the genocide section on the basis of undue weight - this is one scholars view with little academic coverage or other support. As I have said, I do not oppose reference to Fernandes and his view of culutral genocide, but it must be made in the correct context, and that for me is "cultural assimilation" which is a far more prominent subject when discussing Kurds in Turkey.

I know these disputes are tiring for admins, two have already ignored my requests to intervene, but I really would appreciate your continued involvement here. Cheers, --A.Garnet 09:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Need help.

Salam friend , i've been discussing some facts on Battle of Khafji , and it seems to me that someone trying to Americanize the event by removing sourced information , and according his other addition to un-related materials , he have reached the 3RR also i think , and you as an adminstrator and friend i request you to take a look to the recent changes. thanks . Ammar ( - ) 16:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Wassermann

may i know the reason why did you blocked this user? thanks, Sushant gupta (talk · contribs) 10:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Watchlists

Salam. There are some watchlists in the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Islam#Task forces. Can you please pay attention to them to prevent vandalism, 3rr and other WP sins. Thanks a lot.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 06:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Muslim military history & Iranian military history

Salam. Can we made a new task force in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history which includes Ghazwat, Muslim conquests and Civil Wars of the Early Caliphates . --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 13:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Iranian military history--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 14:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)