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I am requesting a name change to Joy. --Shallot 12:16, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Welcome, newcomer

Hello Shallot, welcome to Misplaced Pages. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian. You can learn more on the how to edit page. The naming conventions and style guide pages are also useful. There is a sandbox which you can use to experiment in. If you have any questions, see the help pages or add a question to the village pump. If you ever think a page or image should be deleted, please list it at the votes for deletion page. There is also a votes for undeletion page if you want to retrieve something that you think should not have been deleted. Angela 21:24, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Talk with Denny

Hi Shallot, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't change the signed comments of anyone in talk pages without clear notice, even minor changes. In my statement on the Ustasha talk page I meant the war of 1995, not the 1991-1995 war, and even if I was wrong factually, you just shouldnt change my talk, this is considered very rude, but instead point it out. I hope we will reach a great teamwork on such disputed topics and should try to calm down. After you read this note, you may delete it. --denny vrandecic 13:41, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

Er, okay, sorry. I thought you just omitted the starting year. It's somewhat incorrect to say war of just 1995 since not all of those people became refugees that year. (In fact it goes hand in hand with the somewhat offensive notion of a bunch of separate wars rather than one big aggression, and you didn't seem like one to be perpetuating pan-Serb myths. :) Once again I apologize, I thought it was minor enough not to be worth mentioning. --Shallot 13:49, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I meant specifically the operation Oluja, and if I remember correctly, this was a 1995 only thing. You are absolutely right that the actual war has begun earlier, but in this one case I thought Igor did especially reference Oluja, and I didn't want to include more then, thus making it even harder to talk about. I do not plan on perpetuating any myths, I just want to find out the truth - even if it is a dark truth about my own country. But I do see that here are some, who push their points very hard, without much concern to the truth. I certainly don't count you into that group. But we have to calm down, try to reach a consensu, and if this does not work, take the appropriate steps. And then it would be much nicer to be regarded as the 'good guys'. - As said, you may delete this talk after reading, or even just parts of it, not everyone needs to know my masterplan ;) Sve najbolje! --denny vrandecic 23:13, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

P.S.: would you please allow Igor the chance to make the changes himself I asked him to do? This would be nice. Just wait a few days or so, and if he doesn't change it, we can still do it. I just want to see, if he is willing to cooperate in any way, or if other actions are needed. Thanks. --denny vrandecic 23:18, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

I sincerely doubt you'd get any sort of meaningful cooperation from someone who cites srpska-mreza.com as a real resource. That stuff is really appalling.
Of course, I won't touch the page. I've mostly steered clear of that page so far, there's just too much stuff there to be able to fix in one sweep without completely rewriting it. --Shallot 23:41, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Thank you! Yes, you are right, this side needs some major rework. But this will need time, and I (being the incredible optimist that I am) believe, we can reach an excellent article on this - and the article will have a very special, brilliant quality if we really can create it together with Igor, Nikola and others. I have hope... --denny vrandecic 00:12, Sep 15, 2003 (UTC)

Wow! Great work. Many thanks.

Now let's see, what points will be further discussed, but I like it a lot already. --denny vrandecic 22:13, Sep 17, 2003 (UTC)

I decided to try to fix a lot of it. We'll see.

P.S.: please, could you check w:hr:3. januar if it is translated properly? I rather mean the template for the date-articles than the special day, but if it is ok, I would apply this template to the other days, and it is easier to check such a template once, before applying it, than afterwards changing a 366 articles... Thanks already!

There's a few small mistakes in the language, nothing important, I guess. --Shallot 23:19, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Cyrillic

Just saw your edit on Croatian language. Could you tell me how does Croatian Glagolitic differ from other Glagolitics? Nikola 20:13, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)

It is my understanding that there are several different forms of Glagolitic letters and that some of them are only found on artifacts from Croatia, like the Baška tablet. --Shallot 11:12, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Neologisms

I have noted your comments at Talk:Croat and Bosnian neologisms. Please feel free to add an Misplaced Pages:Accuracy dispute header if you feel it is deserved. Cheers, Cyan 02:38, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Serbian nationalism

I've noticed you're edits to the ethnic cleansing page. You should carefully watch User:Igor and User:Nikola Smolenski, they seem to think that the wikipedia is a dispensary for Serbian propaganda. Take a look at some of the articles they have worked on (and which I have attempted to undo the worst of).

Kosovo War Slobodan Milosevic Prishtina

And that's only some of them. G-Man 12:08, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Indeed. I have lamented Igor's, and to an extent also Nikola's, slanted point of view on several occasions already. I only happened to notice the blunder on the ethnic cleansing page today; I would have intervened earlier had I known. It's pretty hard to battle seasoned propaganda, and in several pages I actually gave up disgusted with the amount of nonsense that would need to be fixed.
There's plenty of other examples; sadly, the better part of my contributions is about this! :( --Shallot 18:00, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

You're not the only one, I tried to persuade User:Dori an Albanian contributor to attempt to NPOV the Kosovo War article, but he gave up terrified after a few edits. I would try to do it myself, but I'me not an expert on Balkan affairs G-Man 18:21, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Serbo-Croatian

Nice editing on Serbo-Croatian. Thanks. Zocky 12:50, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I saw your mass-edits and decided it was as good as time as any to structure it better, and particularlly in a less partisan manner, a work I tried to begin a few weeks ago but got sidetracked. I'm glad you liked it. --Shallot 15:04, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Czechia

I have no objection to the usage of Czechia. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Neologisms again

Responding to a flamebait article with a flamebait... sadly, I'm not surprised. It's not exactly an example of tolerance to assert that because one group of people uses some word, another group needs to use it as well

It wasn't my intention to flame. I'm arguing that a language standard serves more as a restriction on what can be used in official publication. For example, if one used a word that wasn't mentioned in an official dictionary in a book or newspaper article, it would get lectored. I believe that a dictionary should thus contain not only frequently used words, but also words used at all as long as they're not incorrect for whatever reason. I personally know Croat Muslims that use the mentioned word although they say they speak Croatian language.

Agreed, but there's a time and place for everything. If most people wouldn't understand a word, it should be replaced with a more common word among the audience -- I assure you that a whole bunch of people in Croatia wouldn't know what dajdžinica stands for, regardless of which language they speak :) That is, using different words doesn't necessarily stem from nationalist or even purist sentiment. --Shallot 15:59, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Can't we simply agree that this grossly factually incorrect and stridently biased article needs to go the way of the dodo?

I agree. We should vote it off. Can you organize a few more votes? - Vedran

I'll have to investigate how the deletion voting works, but I'm pretty sure we could find support. --Shallot 15:59, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Removed sentence from a talk page

I'm really getting sick and tired of rebuffing your preposterous pan-Serbist ideas, Igor.

You are, of course, right, but i deleted the above sentence from the talk page. No sense in getting him even more excited. If you mind, just revert. Zocky 14:59, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Well, I don't care much. I have already filed a complaint against him; I don't care if my lamentations get removed as long as something gets done about it. --Shallot 17:55, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Vedran user page

Thanks for devandalizing my user page ;) I had exams so I was unable to visit wikipedia (and probably will be for about a month). --Vedran 13:10, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I happened to notice that your username started to appear as a blue link rather than red, and fixed the obvious nonsense there. Good luck with your exams. --Shallot 17:18, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Where the word "Bojinka" comes from

The word DOES come from Serbo-Croat, but it is also an Arabic slang word. WhisperToMe 18:38, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Well, you'll have to quote me the source -- an LA Times journalist is not particularly useful. It's my mother tongue, I never heard of it and it hardly even looks like a word in this language. --Shallot 19:37, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Serbo+Croatian+Bojinka

There are about 1,320 google hits with Bojinka and Serbo Croatian in it.

I think Serbo Croatian is the entire language family, while Croatian is a member of the family.

Among the sources is this: http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/malay_terror/hambali4.html WhisperToMe 00:10, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

None of that makes me any less sure that they're wrong. Google searches are fuzzy by default. Relationship among the languages is not really the issue here, none of the members of the central-south Slavic languages include the word either, to my knowledge. Journalists usually don't hesitate to copy&paste minor details without verifying them. The Croatian/Serbo-Croatian word for "explosion" is eksplozija, BTW. --Shallot 01:43, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Presidential flag?

I have never seen one. The federal flag with the coat of arms was the presidential flag. It was square and had a border in alternating red-white-blue. Maybe the same is true for republic flags. Zocky 12:39, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

BCS grammar

I googled for "jotation" and the third link (a largish .pdf) is a real gem. A great resource for Serbo-Croatian and related pages. Zocky 05:04, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC) (BTW, I think that some of the opening material is based on our wikipedia article :)

It's a bit large and I'm on a modem connection right now; I'll check it ASAP, thanks. --Shallot 11:01, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Underscores in redirects

Hi, There is no reason to struggle with underscores in redirects: wiki creates them automatically when you move a page. Do you want to fight a robot?:-) Mikkalai 18:04, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Kosovo War

Hi Shallot, thanks for your comments on my talk page on the Kosovo War article. I've posted some questions to Talk:Kosovo War about what the scope of the article should be, now that it's been written - it may be appropriate to present the political background on a separate page and confine the Kosovo War article to covering just the military conflict. I'd be grateful for your views. -- ChrisO 10:40, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Operation Storm

OK, you are right, this page is linked to List of military and non-military operations and projects the link page proves it. I'll be darned if I can find the link, but it must be there somewhere.

Care to give me a hint?

Paul, in Saudi

Use the search-in-page function of your browser :) It's under the letter O, as the original name is Oluja. I put it there because all other operations are sorted that way. --Shallot 14:01, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Zagreb county

That's interesting - that means my souce map is flat out wrong. It does show the western part, but not the southern part - Zagreb county being shown as two detatched areas. I will rectify all my maps. Morwen 13:53, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)

I was quite pleasantly surprised that you had the maps at all -- this was a just a minor glitch for me to fix :) I believe that your map may be reflecting an outdated situation, because I seem to remember some border changes as well. I fixed the two pertinent maps myself, thanks for doing it on the others and thanks for doing that at all, it's just what the county pages needed! --Shallot 13:56, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Happy to help. My next concern is going to be patching all the other 19 maps ;) Will do this an re-upload. I'll put them all somewhere so you can upload them at your leisure for new counties articles. Morwen 14:03, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)

Editing Croatian entries

Thanks for your nice note about my editing. I'm thrilled that they're producing so much info, while all I'm doing is editing. What's especially cool is that whoever it is is apparently going back and checking facts and finding more info, because some of the existing pages are changing and growing (even to minute details) daily. That does make it challenging to keep up with his/her not-quite-perfect English. :-) But I've edited software engineering documents that engineers are *paid* to write that are much worse than these! Maybe if we both keep trying to catch them with invites to register, they'll eventually notice the messages and follow through. Elf 16:26, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Small peoples

I see, you started a number of new pages for peoples. Please see The Red Book of the Peoples of the Russian Empire and its talk page. It seems that the whole Red Book may be put into wikipedia. Mikkalai 09:16, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Cool. I was editing Turkic people and noticed how many don't have pages (I wonder if even half of the Dagestani nations have an article), and went ahead to correlate most of them to the parts of the Russian Federation where they live in because that's at least something. --Shallot 13:54, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Separatism edit war

The point is, that some have POV mis-represented "white supremacism" as being "white separatism" when these two are really NPOV quite distinct.

So kindly explain that in the submission or on the talk page, don't litter pages with endless copy&pastes. --Shallot 17:27, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Zerjavic

I note that the article on Zerjavic is now utterly biased in favor of him. Is it still too much for you to have the bit about accusations of Holocaust denial in there? Would you like to add speculation to the article regarding Zerjavic's presumed lofty place in heaven, too? Everyking 21:46, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

(Is that supposed to be funny?) The article's msg:NPOV marker now applies more than ever. And I saw it coming a miiiiiiile away, but no, you couldn't just let me delete it, we had to have all this litany. --Shallot 22:53, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Understand something. I may have said this two dozen times, but maybe I haven't been blunt enough: I have no interest in debating the death toll at Jasenovac. I have no interest in settling political issues, either. I am interested in creating a neutral and balanced article. Even if you succeeded in persuading me that your figures were correct, it would make absolutely no difference, because my only point in being involved with the Zerjavic article is to make it sound neutral, and anti-Zerjavic feeling still has to be represented regardless of what I think. That is how Misplaced Pages works. Your attempts to make me out to be prejudiced and agenda-driven just because I disagree with you are pointless and pathetic. Everyking 20:13, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The problem is that the article started with an unsubstantiated opinion, and nobody provided any reasoning for it. People who insist on unsubstantiated opinions being worthy of mention as anything other than what they are (if we list them verbatim, that gives the impression that they have a meaning, whereas that's not necessarily the case and in this particular case I am led to believe that they are indeed baseless), those people I cannot see as anything other than prejudiced, and given that the original piece was written with someone who's _definitely_ agenda-driven, and that you were arguing the same point in a similar manner, the link is inevitable.
One simply cannot say that Zerjavic is lying about the death toll at Jasenovac, not back that up, and expect that all is well, nobody will mind. You don't build neutral articles based on random disparaging claims. --Shallot 21:36, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
They are worthy of mention if many people believe them. Obviously. And since the article merely states what some people think, I cannot begin to explain your problem, except to think that this is some kind of nationalistic crusade on your part. Everyking 22:05, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
But nobody has demonstrated these "many people". The two museums mentioned certainly don't seem to believe that. The latest information is that it's the editors of pavelicpapers.com, but that site looks no less biased than Zerjavic's book title. I've been asking for the replacement of gossip with actual facts ever since day one, that is the only "crusade" I'm on. --Shallot 23:37, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The CCP

You are right in that it is rubbish as it is, but I deleted the notice because I felt it was a bit unencyclopedic. You may notice I included the "this article is a stub" notice at the end, which I think is far better for the Misplaced Pages. I am putting the "stub" notice at the top so that people realize the article is practically uninformative. Thanks for pointing it out. Pfortuny 08:35, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Macedonian CoA

After independance in 1992 Macedonia retained the old coat of arms adopted in 1946 as the emblem of the People's Republic of Macedonia within Yugoslavia. So please don`t change it again. --User:Avala

NISU PROMENILI GRB! VEROVATNO ZELE DA ZADRZE ISTI MAKAR NA NEKO VREME DA IMAJU NEKI KONTIUITET. NJIHV NAZIV JE BJRM. ZASTO SRBI NISU PROMENILI STARI GRB? ZATO STO SE ISTORIJA NE MENJA JEDNIM POTEZOM. NPR. NA SRPSKOM GRBU PISU DVE GODINE 1804(USTANAK PROTIV TURSKE) I 1941(ZASEDANJE AVNOJA) TO SU SVE GODINE IZ SRPSKE ISTORIJE I NEMA SVRHE VRACATI GRB IZ 1800 I NEKE ILI IZMISLJATI NESTO NOVO. AKO JE PROBLEM ZVEZDA PA IMAJU JE I ITALIJANI PA STA! KOMUNIZAM IONAKO MOZDA NIJE LOSA ZAMISAO ALI KADA BI JE NEKO OSTVARIO! STA JE JOS PROBLEM? REKA ILI PLANINA ZITO NA GRBU? NE BIH REKAO.

According to the Macedonian Heraldry website, the coat of arms of Macedonia doesn't appear on the passports. A proposal by a MP to remove the red star wasn't accepted. It seems that the change of the coat of arms creates many problems. The adoption of the traditional gold lion on red shield seems not to be possible because (according to the website):

  • the VMRO-DPMNE party already adopted the gold lion on red as its own emblem;
  • Albanian parties are opposed to this coat of arms "blaming it for only representing the Macedonians (as people) and not others."
  • Among others many say that it is a Bulgarian symbol.

ON THE OFFICIAL PRESIDENT OF MACEDONIA WEBSITE YOU CAN SEE THE SAME CoA

That is why we still have the old socialist type coat of arms.

New Prevlaka article

Hi Shallot, have you seen Neutral Territory of Prevlaka yet? It looks like it could do with some copyediting by someone who knows the situation there - which I don't to any great extent, unfortunately. -- ChrisO 23:14, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I think it's plain wishful thinking and definitely not for an encyclopedia, but I am not bored enough to go explaining such really obvious things... at least not yet. --Shallot 11:03, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Map

Yes. However, I am basing my maps on raster maps - that is merely a zoom of ther larger map. Morwen 21:34, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)

Historical regions of the Balkan Peninsula

Could you please have a look and tell me if it's better now? --Kpalion 22:44, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Free Software

Maybe so, but why is it wrong to bring the number of free software packages at Debian up to date?

My reason for the rest was to explain that Debian isn't only about one O/S but that the project works with other OSs too to enlarge the Free Software movement. Some people will think Debian is only about 'selling' one version of Linux, not about enlarging the whole Free Software movement. Whereas you and I know that Debian is about more than just another distro.

--Tim

DIALECT

Re: "Biased sentence:" I apologize, I truly did not realize that my sentence appeared to be biased. I was only trying to straighten out some clumsy vocabulary and grammar ("a similar amount of differences" is ungrammatical, as "amount" is supposed to be used only with uncountable nouns whereas "differences" is countable). My rewording was not intended to indicate bias, and I am sorry that it gave that impression. I realize that on sensitive topics, words sometimes have unintended connotations. I have changed the sentence again, this time to " whereas the standard languages of Serbia and Croatia, which differ from each other to a similar extent as the dialects of English, are being treated... " I hope this is both grammatical and free from perceived bias. If you are still unhappy about the wording, I am happy to discuss it further on the talk page attached to the article. Once again, I hope we can come up with something that is both grammatically correct and unambiguously neutral in meaning. Davidcannon 11:05, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thank you so much for answering me on my talk page. Thank you for your kind words. I see from your user page that you are Croatian, so I think I can now understand why you took so great an interest in the comments made about Croatian and Serbian. I'm glad that the issue has been resolved so quickly and so amicably. Davidcannon 01:57, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Re: "Italians 'disambiguation'"

Quote: "Some of those disambiguations Italians -> Italians are wrong. In many pages, the ethnic group is meant, not the immediate country of origin."

I realize this, but the page Italian that I was disambiguating does not list a page for the Italian ethnic group; it was implied that the page for the Italian ethnic group was, in fact, Italy. Note that #2 says "An Italian person" but gives no wikilink. I assumed that there wasn't one; if there was one, you'd think it'd be listed. Also, I see no link to a separate "ethnic group" page on Italy.

In other words, if you think there should be a separate page for "Italian (ethnic group)" - which there does not seem to be at present - then go for it. But my edits do not seem to have been in error. --Golbez 07:00, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You may be right, but this seems standard among many groups - there is no separate page for "Spanish ethnic group" or "French ethnic group" or "Greek ethnic group" either, that I can find. The only major one I can find in the region, based on my cursory glance, is Ethnic German, which is a stub. In other words, I was disambiguating what appears to be the proper place. If and when an "Italian ethnic group" page is created, then the links can be transferred. I will keep this in mind for the future, however. --Golbez 07:12, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Stjepan Radic

I like the quote you put in regarding "geese into the fog." Hvala lijepo. I tweaked it to include "flying" for more emphasis, but I don't know if he used it in Croatian, or simply use the form "to go". You corrected yourself in that Radic didn't (couldn't) have said this in parliament in 1918 since there wasn't one established yet. But you said in your edit comment that he made it in the narodno vijece. Does that mean "national assembly"? --User:Alcarillo 18:40, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the quote -- I incorporated it into the text and tweaked the article some more.

-- User:Alcarillo 20:10, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Penalty Area

Just for my information - do people in metric countries really refer to the "16 metre box"? Bob Palin 00:41, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Well, yeah, though I'm not sure about English per se. I inserted it there mainly to make sure we're not preferring imperial units, but I'm sure people are generally aware that it's a sixteen meter box even if they don't use a compound term. --Shallot 11:48, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Marco Polo

Compliments on your attempt to put some structure to Marco Polo. The section you rightfully improved with paragraphs was added by User:203.221.225.81, who's done something similar on Asthma. IMHO the stuff added is unreadable and would only improve after extremely heavy editing and shuffling. For the moment, I've reverted his work; if you disagree, please revert back to your last version... JFW | T@lk 13:58, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your talk page response. 203.221.225.81 has apparently done school projects on Asthma and Marco Polo and felt he/she could copy&paste his Word document straight into Misplaced Pages—quod non.
JFW | T@lk 16:36, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

State leader names

That explanation of the lack of good links would make sense, yeah. I'll be checking the names to see if there is an article under a slightly modified name. Please feel free to help out if you notice any in particular that you know have articles. Thanks. -- Jonel 23:38, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

History of Croatia

When I read through it before there seemed to be a lot of grammatical errors and unclear passages which I didn't feel comfortable editing because of my unfamiliarity with the subject matter. Passages which were written in such a way that the subject or object were unclear etc but which one couldn't fix if one wasn't certain what was actually being referred to. I've just glanced at the article again (quickly) and it seems to have improved. I'll look at it more closely when I have time but at the moment nothing stands out as ambiguous or unclear. If I find something I find difficult to understand I'll bring it to your attention. AndyL 01:08, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it seems ok now but still a bit POV in placesAndyL 17:24, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

This isn't bias but I'm unsure what this means:

The king imposed a new constitution in 1931 and held new elections for the parliament, but with a single allowed candidate list.

"Milosovic and his clique" sounds a bit pejorative. In English the word "clique" has a negative connotation so while I actually think it's a good description it shows a POV. The only other thing is it would be better to explain how memories of WWII were used rather than just say they were "manipulated". I'm sure you're right but better to explain what was done (references to war time atrocities against Serbs?) and let the reader conclude that these memories were manipulated rather than just say they were manipulated. That's a minor point though. I think that's it. Given the suject matter I'm impressed by how balanced the article is. Good job. AndyL 18:29, 1 May 2004 (UTC) Overall I think the piece is quite fair and balanced. There are a few phrases used that suggest a POV though

Talk:Europe

Please see discussion at Talk:Europe and MediaWiki talk:Europe. Thank you, Pædia | talk 17:19, 2004 May 4 (UTC)


Image:Croatia flag large.png / Misplaced Pages:Requested pictures

You discussed the coratian flag with User:Grendelkhan, and he placed a request on Misplaced Pages:Requested pictures, so I thought I let you know too: I have downloaded the coratian flag from the CIA World Factbook, and corrected the coat of arms (COA) placement and 2:1 ratio using OpenOffice.org (Draw). I assumed with the incorrect placement you meant the horizontal lines of the COA aligned with the red/white/blue borders. I also trimmed the edges a bit to get the COA centered according to the previous low res version, and the flag into a 2:1 ratio. Now the only difference is a slighly different blue color in the top left, center, and right part of the coat of arms. Not sure which version is correct or if it needs correcting. Let me know and I can GIMP it. -- Chris 73 | Talk 04:56, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Carpathian Ruthenia

Hi, I have prepared a new article in place of the old one, which is a obvious non-sense. Please, feel free to express your opinion. Talk:Carpathian RutheniaYeti 20:58, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Controversial message

Hi, why did you move the controversy message from the Kerry article to the talk page? The article should make the editors read the talk page before editing, when they already read talk it does not make sense to advice them to do so any longer.

Strange, but ok.

Another thing, I saw you are from Croatia. Would you be interested in a project about learning, mainly vocabulary? Please check my page and let me know. Get-back-world-respect 14:25, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

Nikola Tesla cleanup request

Hello Shallot, I noticed you deleted Nikola Tesla from Misplaced Pages:Cleanup, stating that you were moving the comments to the article's talk page. That was quite a few hours ago and the comments have not reappeared at Talk:Nikola Tesla, so I guess you forgot what you were doing. Also, you didn't just delete the comments, but the entire entry, which you're not supposed to do until the cleanup problems are resolved. So, I put it back. Securiger 02:18, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Ah, sorry! I somehow parsed "pages needing attention" as "the pages needing attention". My apologies. Securiger 01:47, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

liturgical language of Croatia

Hello! I thought your original text was a reference to VII. I think this entry Eparchy of Krizevci would be cleaner without reference to VII, which happened many centuries later and isn't really relevant. Can we omit that then, and just keep your extra facts about language in that area? And can you add dates? Like this:

The most salient fact, apart from that of following the Byzantine liturgical tradition, is that in the 9th Century Pope Innocent IV gave the Croatian Catholics the privilege of celebrating the Divine Liturgy in their own language, which Church scholars had helped to standardize. This privilege was subsequently extended (when?) to the churches in Croatia of both the Latin Rite and the Eastern Rite (omit section re VII).

Thanks for your helpful edit! Trc | 13:14, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Iranian/Turkic

As you have noticed there is a guy who try to "improve" history removing everything about iranian peoples in history and replacing it with Turkic, what is obviously a nonsense. I would like to ask you to participate in combating any unjustified changes. Regards. Yeti 13:26, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ruthenia

Dear Shallot,

sorry for removing some of your recent changes. I agree, they made previously VERY VERY VERY bad article to be just very very bad article. However, I'd like to make much more changes in style and content. What do you think of my version? Drbug 23:02, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguing Yugoslavia

It's nice that you are disambiguing Yugoslavia, but please do it with more thought. Two disambiguations I reambiguated were about Sava Centar (the biggest concert hall in SFRY and in FRY) and destroyed multiethnic societies (both KoY and SFRY were destroyed). I haven't gone through all your edits, so if you had second thoughts about some ofthem, consider reambiguing yourself. Thanks. Nikola 06:37, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Seeign your reply, I'd just urge to err on the side of caution; it is much easier to find ambiguous links and think about them again then to find wrongly disambiguated links. Nikola 07:51, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

vojislav kostunica

I wrote some-check the grammar

I added th owl thing too :) :) :)

Avala 16:14, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

government of croatia

I have made an article about Government of Croatia. But still we need an intro. I am really not competent so you will have to right it. :)

Avala 16:31, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

thanks for the intro I could use it in Serbian government article too cause it`s almost the same thing :)

you can write something about current government , parties involved , percent of vote and seats...

Avala 18:40, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Croatian parliamentary election, 2003

i don`t understand one part of this article

  • Serbs: 3
  • Hungarians: 1
  • Italians: 1
  • Czechs and Slovaks: 1
  • Austrians, Bulgarians, Germans, Poles, Roma, Romanians, Rusyns, Russians, Turks, Ukrainians, Vlachs and Jews: 1
  • Albanians, Bosniaks, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Slovenians: 1

why don`t we write

  • Serbs: 3
  • Hungarians, Italians, Czechs and Slovaks, Austrians, Bulgarians, Germans, Poles, Roma, Romanians, Rusyns, Russians, Turks, Ukrainians, Vlachs and Jews,Albanians, Bosniaks, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Slovenians: 1

why do we separate those minorities with same number of seats?

Avala 18:45, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Arpads

Have you changed anything in the text of the article (besides adding the Croatian name and inserting spaces)? Because I see just a "red sea" under History :)) Juro

User:Juro

Tito talk

Heh, you were a bit too quick :) Justification is on Talk:Josip Broz Tito now. The whole thing should be removed, IMO. Zocky 12:40, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

how did they connect?

how did croatian ,whoever wrote that law, connected Austrians, Roma, Bulgarian, Turkish and Jews for one seat in the parliament? I can understand Czechs and Slovaks but this is stupid.

I had a little trip to Montenegro las two weeks so it`s a reason for my exclusion. Sorry for not leaving a note.

Avala 13:51, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

yes but still, how would bulgariand feel if that one place is given to austrian just becuase there are more austrians. It is just not fair enough to smallest minorities.

Avala 14:02, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Krizevci

Thanks for your work on this article. I still have a couple questions you might be able to clear up. First what does this mean: "The main town manifestation is called "Kri?evačko veliko spravi?će"." What is a manifestation and does the final phrase need translating? Second in the line: "figurative pearl, the Greek-catholic cathedral reconstructed in the Gothic revival style" What is the pearl (maybe the cathedral?) and what religion is Greek-catholic? Maybe Greek Orthodox? Rmhermen 15:43, Jul 6, 2004 (UTC)

PaX and debian

I talked with bluefoxicy in #wikipedia and he's much interested in PaX in combination with debian. I thought you might be of some help, so you can contact him if you like. Zocky 03:04, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for help

Thanks for your help on the two Srebrenica pages. It's nice to have a quality contributor from the ex-Yugoslavia to help clear up user Igor's, err, I mean, the current situation on ex-yugo area pages ;)

- Asim Led

PaX and Debian, ctd

Hey, I sent you an e-mail yesterday for PaX and Debian. Just want to verify that you got it.

--Bluefox Phoenix Lucid 04:15, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Aww, heh. My nickname on freenode is "bluefoxicy" . . . I'll be hanging out in #debian and #wikipedia if you wanna look for me. And of course, the obvious places ;) --Bluefox Phoenix Lucid 16:45, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

da:Billede:Cetina-omis-croatia.jpg

This picture is from ]. All that they ask is that one cite them by linking to the website when their pictures are used. Their photos are completely available for non-commercial use. What exactly that is defined as, I'm not sure. However, they have a load of pictures of Croatia from that area on the site, just look under Europe:Croatia.

Hope that helps,

Peregrine981 21:43, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Unrecognized Countries

Hi, Shallot. I noticed you had made contributions to Puntland. If you're interested in Puntland and similar places, why don't you drop by the WikiProject Unrecognized countries and help add some more depth to Misplaced Pages's coverage of these?

Be sure to visit the Project talk page, and if you are interested, you can become a member. Ambivalenthysteria 12:16, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Anglicization

Please kindly remember that this is the English Misplaced Pages. Names should be in form which is easiest to find, most familiar to English reader audience, and preferably fully in English. In addition, it is very recommendable to use consistently English name forms.

There are several other Wikipedias for other languages, and you are very welcome to use Serbocroat name forms in the Serbocroat-language Misplaced Pages(s). 213.243.157.114 15:47, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've no idea why you're telling me this. --Shallot 15:48, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Discussions

Heh. Haven't caught up with you yet :)

Mayhaps you should send me e-mail? I have my preferences allowing e-mail to come through, if you don't mind an e-mail conversation. I'm still interested in discussing PaX and the viability of employing it and a few other things on Debian.

--John Moser 23:23, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

EDIT: Got your mail, mailed you back with subject "PaX on Debian"  :)

--John Moser 18:22, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Template Thanks

Thank you for the template, I didn't know how to do that myself. And sorry about Vrbas lol... Since you're good at making my articles not look stpid, you should check out Ilidza and see if I messed up anything there too. Thanks again. Asim Led 00:46, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Administrator?

I've just noticed that you are not an admin, although you've been around for a while and accumulated a lot of edits. I think you have the right temperament and good judgment for this, so I wanted to ask if I may nominate you.

If you're willing to be nominated, please let me know. I might wait just a little before making the nomination, so that the current furor on Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship over controversial users from the former Yugoslavia dies down. I think you would be approved overwhelmingly, but I want to avoid having you pick up opposition as a byproduct of those unwise nominations. --Michael Snow 18:58, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I certainly agree that levelheadedness shouldn't be restricted to admins - I'm more interested in restricting adminship to the levelheaded. Or failing that, at least increasing the pool of levelheaded admins. Anyway, since apparently you don't actually object, I do plan to nominate you in a week or two (naturally, I'll let you know when I do). The fact that you don't care much one way or the other just indicates to me that you have the right attitude about admin abilities.
It's also nice to hear from a non-admin who feels he can get any help he needs from the existing group. I don't use IRC myself, but if there's ever anything I can do to help you, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. --Michael Snow 20:17, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Shallot is quite acceptable to everyone I think. I don?t think most users even associate him with Ex-yu. He?s doing a whole bunch of other stuff. GeneralPatton 12:47, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

As promised, I wanted to let you know that I've now posted your nomination. Please reply over at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship to indicate whether you accept. Also, as you may know, people sometimes post general questions there for the nominees, so you may want to keep an eye out for that as well. --Michael Snow 17:07, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)


Minor edits

Hi! If you have something to communicate to me, please use my user page. --Vasile 17:21, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC) Hi! If you have something to communicate to me, please use my user page. Vasile, 22 Aug 2004 Then please stop making assumptions regarding my person, feelings etc. --Vasile 03:07, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nice job on the Template:Era

On behalf of the (admittedly morbid) Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geologic Timescale, I thank you for making Template:Mesozoic, Template:Paleozoic, Template:Precambrian and Template:Proterozoic, and 2 months late I might add... :P -- EmperorBMA|話す 20:24, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Minor Edits on Bosnia article

Sorry about that, and thanks for the clarification. I will keep that in mind from now on. I originally intended just to change the wording of a few sentences and I ended up getting rid of quite a few large questionable aspects of the article. And by the way, I just got rid of vandalism on your user page. It was done by Jwalker.. if wikipedia can ban proxys or ips or whatever you should see about kicking him out. Have you become an administrator yet? - Asim Led

You're a sysop

Congratulations! After receiving 100% support on RfA, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful.

This is the first time I've had the opportunity to promote an onion, no less a joyful one. Cheers! -- Cecropia | Talk 16:46, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

A little question

Congratulations on your sysophood! :)

I notice you've added quite a bit of history to NK Rijeka tonight. I've been creating quite a few stubs for football clubs so that we can put the results of the UEFA Cup and Champions League matches on Current sports events, as well as encouraging people like yourself to flesh them out -- it's also been quite educational to find out about where obscure clubs like WIT Georgia, Hafnarfjördur, and Total Network Solutions come from (well, OK, I knew about the last one because I wrote the article!). I've been getting the names from www.uefa.com, and one thing has been puzzling me -- in many cases Croatian teams are sometimes referred to as "NK" and sometimes as "HNK". What does the difference represent? Thanks! -- Arwel 00:06, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Avala's case at the Arbcom

Could you visit Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Avala/Evidence#Snowspinner.27s and tell what is the correct translation of several terms directed at Avala? Nikola 19:46, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Univerzitet

Cao!

Vidim da si napravio tekst University_of_Zagreb. Posto si uradio prevod na engleski onih najvaznjih reci da li bi mogao da uradis i University in Belgrade. U ovom linku imas sve sto ti treba - . Sto se tice istorije univerziteta to jos nisam nasao. Tamo gde pise "O univerzitetu" imaju samo informacije o postdiplomskim studijama. :(

pozdrav i hvala ] 21:44, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Translation

I really don?t see how you could agree with Nikola?s translation, it?s obviously erroneous and malign, twisting most of the words in most vicious of ways for use in his own agenda. GeneralPatton 23:17, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well it?s Vulgar if you intentionally misinterpret it. Everything can be mistranslated and manipulated with in the process. I have a feeling that?s just what Nikola is doing and I really don?t see why you play along with him and his in this case and use his apparently deliberate distortions. You know I still give him the benefit of a doubt that he doesn?t know Croatian that good. GeneralPatton 23:51, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Puzzling

There are lit. categories on http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Writers_by_genre (essayists, poets, novelists etc.). I tried to "enlist" Krleza, Ujevic, Ladan, Senoa, Gundulic,..-but edit option does not give the opportunity to add new names. What is to be done ? Mir Harven 08:50, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

OK, I got it. Although-I'm not sure whether it's better to have, say, Mazuranic or Gundulic in the category "poets" or "Croatian poets". You cant have both ways. Anyway- now I know, thnx. Mir Harven 10:45, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Croatian language

I've altered post-1918 period, and it needs wikifying and, maybe, "softening" of some expressions. Well-I guess you'd be glad to do the job (although, I'm sorry we dont have Serbian language ignoramus Tito any more). Mir Harven 14:16, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

1926 money scandal in Hungary and Alfred Windischgrätz

I checked my jumble of notes and I am prone to think that your removal was appropriate - I might have mispelled the name or mixed it with something else. My mistake. - Skysmith 19:14, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Slovene/Slovenian

Yes, I've been watching that talk page, but I believe you're doing very well in the discussion. In reality, there isn't very much that BT2 can give in argument against using Slovene, so the focus there has by now diverged substantially from the issue. Considering the lack of remaining arguments, and given that we cannot come to an agreement, there appears to be little chance of reaching consensus in the future. I can't say that I know how to proceed: endless reverts won't help, and I am reluctant to simply revert whilst the topic is still being discussed. But then again, if no more discussion takes place and no one decides to revert, BT2 automatically wins. Ought we to hold a poll – even if BT2's arguments scarcely hold water?

Duplicate small tag in your sig

Hi. I noticed that you have a duplicate <small> in your signature. I noticed it when you posted to my talk page. RedWolf 04:32, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

Re:Districts

havala za sugestiju. sada cu da ubacim informaciju o okruznim centrima mada mislim da nemamo tekstove o svim gradovima ali nisam siguran.

] 13:55, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

okruzi

zavrsio sam ubacivanje informacija u tekstove o gradovima.

da li znas nekoga ko bi nacrtao mapu za okruge? Morwen je otisla sa wikipedie a i nije bila zainteresovana. Danima sam je molio samo da pogleda. Imam fantrasticnu pocetnu mapu na koja pokazuje i opstine i okruge veoma lepo ali ne znam ko bi to mogao da uradi posto ja nisam vican u crtanju.

] 14:32, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

TWG

Yes, the city articles could be marked as geo-stubs though I don't see why is that important. If you don't think that references to the TWG are needed, be free to remove them. But I think that the backlink to the List of cities in SCG should stay, at least as long as the articles are stubs. In general, I wish that more articles should have such links, as I oftenly managed to find some information on Misplaced Pages only after finding an article in the field, and using What links here to find the list of all articles in the field... Nikola 13:54, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Baba Roga

I got a quesion for you. Do you know if South Slavic Baba Roga is the same thing as East Slavic Baba Yaga? I can't find any relevant English pages on Baba Roga. There are a few pages but in Croatian only. --Gene s 10:50, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Self-ads

I see baby "Croatian writers" galore- and this is nothing but rather unethical promo campaign (whoever started it). I guess this "stubakers" should be removed into some harmless niche-say, new wave of Cro. sci-fi, but NOT Croatian writers category they dont belong to. Mir Harven 23:04, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

OK, napravi novu cat. To je najbolje, da ih se ne briše. Mir Harven 12:43, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Can you read my Greek?

In order to type Greek text, I don't use HTML entities such as &epsilon; etc. I just use my keyboard switch (XFree86-4.3 on SuSE 9.0, and my browser is the latest Firefox).I'd like to verify that what appears to me as Greek script, appears so to the rest of the world. So please check my page on Griko language and tell me if it is so. Thanks, -- Etz Haim 23:33, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Joseph the Betrothed

Are you sure on moving Joseph the Betrothed to Saint Joseph? Doesn't that go against the MoS? -- Jmabel 12:48, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC) Here's the citation: Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)&action=edit&section=3 -- Jmabel 12:53, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Name day

Hi Joy,

What's up? Surely there are lots of people out there who don't know what a name day is--don't they deserve a bit of help? Opus33 15:36, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

<Joy answers on Opus33's user page>

Thanks for the clarification. Opus33 01:18, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Map in Slavic languages

I got your comments about the map I posted in the Slavic languages article. I appreciate the comments and will try to adapt it to reflect the new facts that people expressed in the discussion page. However, you should understand that Misplaced Pages will always be a work in progress, and people contribute to it with the best knowledge they have. I do think that the map is now better than the one before, even if it still has some work to be done. I created the map from scratch (lot of work, If I may say) and I'm now working on a better version. Your advices will be put to good use, but please, don't be rude with your D'oh! remarks. I'm no Homer and I do my best to improve the articles. If your have any other suggestions, feel free to use my discussion page, the link is in my signature. Robin des Bois ♘ 04:51, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)


I finally posted the new version of the map. I hope it fits better with reality and that everybody agrees it an improvement... Robin des Bois ♘ 01:24, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

A.B.Šimić etc.

Why this fuss about the "cleanup" ogre ? What the hell is this anyway ? This is a very good article. Mir Harven 14:28, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Aha, OK. Usput-2/3 ove str. je za arhiviranje, velika je. Mir Harven 20:04, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Arrrgh...

You messed up the shtokavian page. The speakers of old-shtok. are enumerated now. There is no sense whatsoever to speak of,say, Slavonian subdialect in 14th cent. You have scattered info randomly so that narrative thread is lost. Put the whole thing back, I'll format it later (also, it needs additional info). Mir Harven 20:12, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ima tu posla, ovo je kilavo. As I said: you broke the narrative thread. Later.....Mir Harven 23:50, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

RSK.PNG

Thanks for the info, renamed, translated and uploaded your version of RSK.png to the RSK article (is now Krajina.png in german wikipedia to avoid conflicts and dead links). Good work, thanks again. Greetings from Houston, TX (temporarily...), --Spacecaptain 23:10, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Accent marks in article names

Re: your recent edit at Romania in the Middle Ages: Why would you not want the accent in the link? If the accent is correct, that's where the article should be; acute and grave accents are no problem in article names. Typically, we also add a redirect without accents for those who don't have an easy means to type the accents. -- Jmabel 19:20, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

Ustase

That seems fair enough to me. Usually, we'd just block him for 24 hours, but considering that it doesn't appear to be taking anyone else out and that he only tends to edit about once a day, that seems to be a decent idea. In my experience, unless you block someone you're in a heated dispute with, you're pretty unlikely to run into trouble. Ambi 13:17, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A question

Hi, Joy. Do you have any idea what "Obluci" (or maybe "Obluči") might mean in Slavic ? There's a medieval name of Isaccea (a small Romanian town) "Oblučitza". Searching the web for "obluci" shown some Croatian pages, but I couldn't find it in the dictionary. Thank you, Bogdan | Talk 15:32, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Lusitania

Could you create an image like for Lusitania please? Nicholas

HRW report

How are you doing? Re: the 1994 HRW mentioned on Macedonia (Greece), I'd like to ask you to provide a link back to the original report. There's absolutely no rush, so take your time. Etz Haim 19:19, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The abstract you are talking about is from HRW's publication, which I may buy sometime, but for now I'd stick with the 1994 report. Unfortunately their online archive does not include reports published earlier than 1997, and I'd like to confirm that they have made an estimate of the population of Macedonian Slavs in Greece. It may tike some time, but eventually it will be done. Etz Haim 19:51, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Srebrenica Massacre

Nikola keeps inserting that NPOV notice that I find really insulting, will you please keep a watch on it. GeneralPatton 09:30, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Christian

Hi Joy - I've replied at User talk:Sannse -- sannse (talk) 14:37, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

politicians of serbia

cao,

lista Category:Politicians_of_Serbia sadrzi samo dva imena.

molim te da dodas i sledeca imena

Boris Tadic

Vojislav Kostunica

Miroljub Labus; Dejan Mihajlov; Velimir Ilic; Mladjan Dinkic; Zoran Stojkovic; Dragan Jocic; Vuk Draskovic; Predrag Bubalo; Slobodan Lalovic; Ivana Dulic-Markovic; Radomir Naumov; Milan Parivodic; Bojan Dimitrijevic; Slobodan Vuksanovic; Zoran Loncar; Dragan Kojadinovic; Aleksandar Popovic; Tomica Milosavljevic; Milan Radulovic; Vojislav Vukcevic; Zoran Sami; Predrag Markovic; Igor Jovicic;


Tomislav Nikolic; Bogoljub Karic; Ivica Dacic; Vladan Batic; Branislav Ivkovic; Borislav Pelevic; Marjan Risticevic;

nisam siguran da li bi trebalo dodati i milosevica i seselja.

pozdrav

DAI

Možeš na http://en.wikipedia.org/De_Administrando_Imperio , pa copyedit. I, arhiviraj veći dio ovoga, ima 57 k. Mir Harven 12:11, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Bombing of Dresden in World War II

If you are interested please vote in the straw poll

Webster's Merger?

Salutations, Joy!
Today I decided to work on extensive revisions to Webster's Dictionary and in poking around found a stub at Webster's New International Dictionary, Second Edition and a longer article at Webster's Third New International Dictionary. It seems to me it would be best to consolidate the second and third material at Webster's Dictionary, because it is the familiar name and it would put the history of the work, which has appeared under several names in one spot; then put in redirects under the other names. I've integrated the material at the present "Third" article with my own contributions at Webster's Dictionary. Since you've worked on this, I wonder if you have any thoughts. PedanticallySpeaking 16:40, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

"Catholis Serbs" and votes for deletion

Just to inform you- I've proposed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion#Catholic_Serbs . If you have any different opinion, speak. If not now-when ? Mir Harven 10:52, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Álmos I/II

Hi, Juro and I had some discussion at this page about "Álmos II". I think the name Álmos II is not really correct since in Hungary he is only known as Prince Álmos. I understand he was King of Croatia but since the first Álmos wasn't King of Croatia this king has to be either Álmos I of Croatia or simply Prince Álmos of Hungary... what do you think? Alensha 17:58, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sarajevo article

I thought since you've worked on it before and have done a lot of work on articles about the region, it might interest you that I've proposed the Sarajevo article on the Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates page. If you wish you can express your support for it. Asim Led 00:45, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)


RE: A.V. spelling

I think it's Azem Vllasi. Dori | Talk 13:05, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Deleting links to List of political parties in Croatia

Some people like categoeries, some like lists. I didn't like the removal of the links to the list of political parties in the Croatian political parties and restored them at the liberal parties. I hope you will restore them at the other pages. --Gangulf 20:52, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have read your reaction and it would be better if the pages wouldn't be stubs. But I do not agree with removing the link to the list. There are users who don't (want to) use categories. I ask you to restore the links. --Gangulf 21:56, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I do not dislike categories at all, since I created a lot of them, but for me using categories doesn't exclude the usage of lists. Lists have the advantage that you can rank e.g. parties in present and past, major and minor, parliamentary and non-parliamentary etc. So they have also an advantage. I learned to use them both. It helps people to find info and that is what an encyclopedia is about. --Gangulf 22:22, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

But then you still ignore the fact that not everybody uses categories. As I said I like categories, but not everybody does. It is not a wikipedia rule not to have bot (links to category and links to list). You force users to use categories and I want to give them freedom. That is the difference. --Gangulf 09:08, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC).

As long as it is no official Misplaced Pages policy, I do not want to force users to use Misplaced Pages in the way you prefer. --Gangulf 12:19, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

So where is the rule that if you categorize a page, you cannot link to a list in which the page is listed? --Gangulf 17:32, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

OK, lets discuss it elsewhere. --Gangulf 18:31, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You've just been called "a nazi"

GeneralPatton 02:05, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

History of Italy

Thanks for your efforts to preserve the accuracy and integrity of this article against the unacceptable destructive behaviour of VeryVerily. Hvala Vam mnogo! Shorne 14:48, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Image tagging

Question for you at Image talk:Tribadism-2.jpg. Quadell ] 14:22, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Neanderthal (animal)

Per Deletion policy#Lag times, redirects need to stay on WP:RfD for at least a week before they are deleted, unless they are one of the four kinds of redirect candidates for speedy deletion (non-existent pages, user pages, move targets, or recent uncommon typos). I don't think there's any problem with you deleting Neanderthal (animal) quickly, but I don't think that fell in any of the 4 categories. Noel (talk) 00:22, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It was really our fault, because the time limit wasn't clearly noted on the header of this page. I have since fixed this.
As to the delete itself, like I said, no problem - you did the right thing (in my opinion). Thanks! Noel (talk) 14:02, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dzordz Bus

posto je clanak George W. Bush zatvoren za izmene molim te da dodas sr:Џорџ В. Буш

btw pogledaj tekst. mozes da ga iskoristis za hrvatski wiki

hvala ] 18:01, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

FYI: Temp injunction in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, VeryVerily

1) Gzornenplatz and VeryVerily are banned from editing any article having to do with German or Polish subjects whilst Arbitration is on-going. Sysops may use their discretion in determining what falls into these areas, and are hereby authorised to enact 24 hour blocks for violations of this.

2) Gzornenplatz, Kevin Baas, Shorne, and VeryVerily are banned from reverting any article more than twice in one 24 hour period whilst Arbitration is on-going. Sysops are hereby authorised to enact 24 blocks for violations of this.

3) Shorne and VeryVerily are banned from editing any article having to do with the Cold War or communism whilst Arbitration is on-going. Sysops may use their discretion in determining what falls into these areas, and are hereby authorized to enact 24 hour blocks for violations of this.

--mav 21:16, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration matter of Avala is closed

1) The above findings of fact show that Avala has often worked against consensus and majority opinion. We therefore rule that Avala must follow the majority opinion of the users involved concerning any controversial edits that Avala makes. One specific consequence is that violations of the three revert rule are not permitted. This probation period will last for one month.

2) For a period of 3 months, should a serious dispute arise between Avala and other users with respect to editing of an article Avala is required to cite substantial authority supporting the position he is taking and either enter the dispute resolution process regarding the matter or drop the matter. A serious dispute is defined as one in which any party to the dispute has reverted the other 3 times or more. After Avala makes his third revert he shall cease editing the article with respect to the disputed matter until completion of the dispute resolution process. Resolution of the dispute in his favor shall require verification that the authority cited adequately supports the information he advocates including in the article. With respect to matters of taste such as size of templates he is required to defer to majority opinion.

3) Given the fact that Avala is now editing at a low rate, we reserve the right to revisit the conduct issue of this user once/if Avala starts to edit at an increased rate again and other users complain about Avala's conduct. This probation would last one year.

For principles, findings of fact, and enforcement see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Avala#Final decision. --mav 21:48, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Economy of Europe

I've reverted your edit. The reason Serbia and Montenegro are listed seperatly on the table is that they have different currencies as their legal tender, therefore a table showing a nation's currency wouldn't be correct if they were listed as one. Grunners 14:30, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Revert

Why did you revert my edit to 'internet'? I believe that it is true. Please discuss. Thanks, Trollminator 18:55, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to...

  1. ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
  2. ...all articles...

using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Misplaced Pages is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 most active Wikipedians, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to ] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to ] all my contributions to any ], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}}. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. -- Ram-Man 20:19, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Skoda category

Any reason why you changed the alphabetization to a "*"? It seemed reasonable to alphabetize it with the letter it actually starts with. I don't care about the entity changes, I was just playing around with that. As far as I'm concerned, it's actually better to use the real codepoint as opposed to an HTML entity anyway. Rlobkovsky 15:26, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Just as a comment, the "Scaron" entity does actually exist, see , section 24.4.1 -- although it probably didn't exist before HTML 4. Also, that's an interesting point about the category -- I've never seen that before, but I haven't explored much here yet (I mainly hang out in the automotive section of Misplaced Pages). Rlobkovsky 15:44, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Croatian flag

Done. Thanks for the message. --Zuirdj 03:11, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Red/white/blue flags

Thanks for bringing that to my attention! I'll go past all the flag articles to sort it out, but if you have some specific information right off the bat about what order the flags had, I'd be grateful. Where did the red/white/blue colors originate, for example? JRM 08:23, 2004 Nov 29 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed reply. I will mull all this over and update the page when I have the time. (You are free to make modifications as well, of course; my user pages are all open for editing by anyone.) JRM 12:32, 2004 Nov 29 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey. Just wanted to thank you for your kind welcome note. I've run across your contributions and they're always well-written and balanced which is a real accomplishment when it comes to the difficult issues surrounding the history/issues of former Yugoslavia. --tracer_bullet 01:45, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

RFC pages on VfD

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:51, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Slavic etymologies

Could you check the Slavic etymologies of the Etymological list of counties of Romania ? Thanks. Bogdan | Talk 10:16, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

links to Iranian

Thanks for the note. Since Iranian is a redirect page to Iran, bypassing them makes no effect on Iranians. make sure that pages that directly link to Iranians will be kept intact.

Ashgabat???

Hi. I don't know how often you visit the List of European cities with alternative names these days, but there has been a controversy on its talk page for the past ten days or so, and I was wondering if you would care to review it and possibly intervene. Thank you. Pasquale 18:17, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image tag

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status?

You can use {{gfdl}} if you wish to release your own work under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{PD-self}} if you wish to release your own work to the public domain, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use of someone else's work, and so on. Click here for a list of the various tags.

If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the image from, and I'll tag it for you. (And if you know exactly what this means and are really tired of the constant reminders, please excuse me. They will stop once the tagging project is complete.) Thanks so much. Denni 22:58, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at Misplaced Pages:Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

Thanks for uploading

I notice these images currently don't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, Donar Reiskoffer 12:46, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Maps

Yes. Morwen - Talk 16:16, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Molise Slavic

Nevjerovatno!Samo sat vremena nakon stvaranja mog članka on je editiran.Da li si ga ti mislio napraviti prije?Kako si ga baš danas našao? Inače i ja bih promjenio svoj username,kako to mogu da uradim?

Python code to generate the figure!!!

Please take a look at Image_talk:EUpopGNPmap.png#Python_code_to_generate_the_figure.21.21.21. – Kaihsu 15:02, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

195.146.134.53's edits to lead sections

There's an old proverb about training mules. First you've got to hit him in the face with a two-by-four. You've tried being nice, and got no response. Time to break out the lumber.
Given the guy's speed, it almost looks like a bot anyway. -- Cyrius| 21:53, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've fixed about half a dozen of these in articles on my watchlist. I would say a block is fine if the person is ignoring more modest interventions. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:23, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)

United States dollar

Just figured that I'd reiterate my satisfaction with what you restored to United States dollar after my revert, in case you didn't happen by that page again soon. I agree that what you put back should be there, that's why I made the comment about others being welcome to re-add anything good from what I deleted. I knew there was stuff in there worth keeping, I just didn't want to be the one to try and find it all. Thanks for the help. -FunnyMan 23:53, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)

Software?

U kojem programu mogu gledati downlodanu wikipediu?

I-E što je to točno?Koji mi software treba?

II-Hoće li biti lokalnih wikipedia okupljanja?Da li ih je već bilo?

III-Ona izmjena u Croatian language je bila potrebna da bi se istaklo da Hrvatski nije zaseban jezik već jedna od standardnih varijanti Srpskohrvatskog.Zato sam i napisao Croatian sa masnim slovima (Serbo-Croatian).

Hvala!


Ja sam iz isto iz Zagreba, znam da si ti iz Vinkovaca i studiraš na FER-u.Za koliko ljudi iz Zagreba i Hrvatske znaš da rade za englesku wikipediu?Da li bi okupljanje imalo smisla. Vidim da si napravio promjenu na Janjevci.Dobro si ga popravio.

Oprosti što te davim,ali kolki je to otprilike broj? Dal mi možeš dati neke usernames? Kakva je spolna struktura?

Croatian language

Ovo može ići do u nedogled!

Counties, towns and municipalities of Croatia

Vidim da si promjenio linkove na Ličko-Senjske županije.Mislim početi svoj projekt na wikipedii Gradovi(kao teritorijalne jedinice) i općine u Hrvatskoj/Towns and Municipalities of Croatia.User:Jugoslaven

Ono županima nisam ja pisao.Šta si pročitao da sam optužen za kršenje autorskih prava? Stvar je na popisu općina želim da link bude npr. Municipality of Lovinac a ne Municipality of Lovinac. Kako da stavim svoj projekt na wikiproject?Što je to wikislow?User:Jugoslaven

To si za copy-paste si vidio na Ličko-Senjska? Vidim da druge zemlje imaju municipality project. User:Jugoslaven

Što se tiče kršenja autorskih prava, to je nevezano... iako sam vidio tu da si nešto pasteao a da nisi provjerio licencu... -di si to vidio u Ličko-Senjska?user:Jugoslaven

Hej, nije mi jasno što je sporno!!Townshipse prevodi kao područje administrativno vezano za neki grad.Kad piše town ne daje se dojam da je to teriotalno-administrativna jedinica.Drugo;i druge države imaju članke o svojim municalities (Italija,Švicarska,Nizozemska,Pensilvanija,...) ne vidim razlog zašto Hrvatska ne bi imala.

An apology

...for my careless edits on Bleiburg massacre and Operation Keelhaul. I was in a hurry and forgot to rephrase and put back in some of the things I cut out while adding new information. -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 00:24, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Russian (spelling) page

Please see Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Russian_.28usage.29_page Jayjg | (Talk) 21:00, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Felix Weingartner

Thanks for your help! That was an elegant solution (says this ex-mathematician :) ). Schissel : bowl listen 21:38, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)


Joseph

>merged the two entries referring to the same person, at least)<

Thank You GT


Joy, you might want to clean up this language:

?* Joseph, son of Jacob, is a character in the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew Bible. He was a Hebrew who wore a coat of many colours and interpreted dreams, as well as a commodities trader.?

colours and interpreted dreams, as well as

maybe

colours, interpreted dreams, as well as

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also if you prefer Joseph could be called a grain trader, with a link to commodities, or grain speculator, with a link to Speculator.

In any case it is understated. Joseph was probably the greatest & shrewdest person to ever trade commodities. He had people coming in asking to become his slave, because they knew there families would be fed if they surrendered to him. GT


Aloha, Look we trade Commodities. Joseph was the greatest commodity trader of all time. I could not care less if he wore a Technicolor cloak. We will be making a reference to him in futures history. There needs to be some distinction as to who he is and what he did that was significant. If it was not for Joseph?s commodity trading there would probably be no land surveying, or property tax. So how are we going to know what Joseph it is if you continue to hide him in a hole in the desert.

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He appeared before Pharaoh and told him in the name of God that the dreams forecasted seven years of plentiful crops followed by seven years of famine. He advised Pharaoh to make a wise man commissioner over the land with overseers to gather and store food from the seven years of abundance to save for the years of scarcity.

Joseph traveled throughout Egypt, gathering and storing enormous amounts of grain from each city.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Joseph.html

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According to Joseph's interpretation, there were to be seven years of plenty in Egypt, followed by seven years of famine. Joseph was able to advise the Pharaoh on how to prepare for the famine and as a result gained the favour of the Pharaoh who promoted him to Prime Minister.

During the famine Joseph had to make key decisions. His acquisition of grain provisions enabled Egypt to withstand and survive the famine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/features/biblemysteries/joseph.shtml

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?Just as Joseph had predicted seven years of abundant harvest were followed by seven years without any rain, and there was great famine throughout all of the land of Egypt and in all of the countries nearby. The land where Israel and Joseph's eleven brothers lived also had no rain and great famine until there was nothing left to eat.

Joseph sold grain to the people of Egypt until they had no more money to buy grain. Then the people sold through Joseph to Pharoah all of their lands so that they could have grain to eat. Then the people sold themselves and their children as slaves to Pharoah so that they could eat. Finally Pharoah owned all of the money, land and people in Egypt except for the money and lands of the Egyptian priests who always received free food from Pharoah according to their previous agreement. ?

http://www.virtualchurch.org/joseph.htm

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Joseph was ruler and governor of all the land.

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/Jsphsbirthright.html

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He predicted 7 years of good harvest followed by 7 years of famine. Joseph recommended that Egypt make great stores of food to prepare for the famine.

http://www.ebibleteacher.com/batlasweb/sld016.htm

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What part of these is not predicting and betting on the future value of commodities?

? Joseph, son of Jacob, biblical commodities Trader who cornered the grain market. Under Joseph?s direction his Pharaoh gained control of all the money, land and people in Egypt except for the priests. GT

Croatian names

I knew I was probably doing something wrong there. I think I didn't take into account that it would be easy to change in the future. I'm slightly tentative in removing them in case the couple I didn't add myself get reverted, however, I will revert them very soon - probably as soon as I find my next instance, which I'm bound to do sometime this morning.

Thanks for the note - I didn't realize there was some kind of convention in terms of leaving them alone. Guess I shoulda checked before running over to do them.. Sorry. Bobo192 04:54, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Cool. I was wrestling with myself over the necessity of putting the notice there when it was obvious by the bold script that it was the case.
I'll get to removing them soon - I promise. All the best. Bobo192 18:23, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Redirects

I don't recall any consensus on that unilateral change. Can you direct me to it, please? Jayjg | (Talk) 18:47, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

re: wrongtitle

I strongly disagree with your views that only for Croatian names you can't use the wrongtitle template. This is a ridiculous exception and I will not tolerate it. And given the fact that you *are* Croatian this can be viewed as POV from your side. It seems that you don't want to "litter" the Croatian bio articles you so dearly love with an "annoying" message at the top that only you dislike. It will be fairly simple to remove this template once en: goes utf-8. Please don't remove them because I will continue to add them and if you continue to remove them I will take it to RfC, RfA, Jimbo, whatever, whoever is needed for you to comprehend that Croatian people are not a exception to the rule and that this Wiki is for English speaking people, not Croatian speaking people. —Cantus 19:31, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

People *do* care, that's why they come here, to learn. The fact that the media doesn't use diacritics is irrelevant. This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Using diacritics in names is standard among serious encyclopedias. See . Keep in mind we're talking about the actual title of the article, not the URL. That the URL happens to be the title of the article is a coincidence, which may possibly be addressed in future versions of Misplaced Pages, or not. The URL is irrelevant, but the title that does appear in huge letters at the top of the article *does* matter a lot, and having it written incorrectly lowers the quality of the encyclopedia, so a mention of that limitation is appropriate. —Cantus 22:32, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

To be quite honest, I don't like the appearance of wrongtitle templates myself. But the thing is, they are supposed to be there, simply because the title is incorrect. Refusing to insert them, or arguing against their insertion is one thing, but undoing other people's useful work is another. (OK, potentially useful, but still.) GregorB 20:14, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)

Now, in C++ programmer speak that I'm sure you'll find more illustrative... :) Is it better to write (int)blah or reinterpret_cast<int>(blah)? reinterpret_cast is, you might say, "excessive verbiage"; it is somewhat bothersome to write, and one cannot say it's really "useful", as your program will work just the same. But it is a sound practice, and although I may or may not choose to write code this way, I certainly wouldn't "correct" it in someone else's code. GregorB 10:58, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

<caron>">

Hi Joy - you wrote: Why are you (or your browser) replacing valid diacriticized characters with x<caron>? Please don't do that, it breaks them.

I'm not doing it - my browser is doing it automatically, and there's nothing I can do about it (I wish there was!). The reason is that characters with carons on top are unsafe characters which stuff up with several different browsers. They shouldn't really be used for that reason (you'll probably find lots of people whose edits do the same - it's simply that I've been doing a lot of work on Eastern European geography lately so mine are more noticeable). The same problem came up recently with the Icelandic letters thorn and eth being replaced in exactly the same way. Whatever the standard HTML write-up is (x&number;) should be used instead. Grutness| 09:27, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I know that they're vague, but at least they show up. When your commit subcategorizes a geo-stub and garbles 25 diacriticized characters due to a largely minor misfeature, it does more harm than good. IE and Firefox don't try to change s<caron> and z<caron> (the letters in question, which are both Latin1 and Latin2) every time they see them, please don't have your browser do it.
I use IE with Latin1, so you're wrong there. As for "please don't have your browser do it", as I said, it does it automatically when it hits an unsafe character and cannot be stopped. The problem only arises when people use unsafe characters, which should not be used. If the articles were correctly written, the problem would not have occurred, and would not occur again. Blaming me for a problem caused by an incorrectly formatted article doesn't get at the root of the problem. What would you rather I did, simply stop editing for fear of having someone else's bad typing show up after my work? Perhaps you'd prefer it if the articles remain lost among the myriad other stubs, rather than being easily found. Use html rather than unsafe characters. Grutness| 09:44, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I know that in an ideal world we'd never have this problem, but we do, and I'm suggesting that you handle it more gracefully, rather than ignoring it just because it's not completely your fault. I'm currently going through those edits and fixing them — those other people's browsers caused the problem, but I'm not cleaning up after them, I'm cleaning up after your browser.
(a) Until you brought the subject up, I didn't know that anything had gone wrong with the edits in question. All I was doing was changing stub messages, and didn't notice any changes to the articles themselves.
(b) I'd love to be able to fix it myself, but because of other people's sloppy work, I'm unable to do so - if I open up any of those files, they will go back to having <caron> written on them.
(c) In the last week, I have edited some 1700 files. Which files need fixing? You've never mentioned any individual files, so even if I could fix them - which I can't, for the reasons given above - I wouldn't know which ones needed fixing. Presumably they are some of the Hungarian, Romanian, Czech, Slovak, Slovene, Croatian, Russian, Serbian, Bosnian, or Polish geo- or bio-stubs I've been looking at, but which ones?
(d) I am simply pointing out that when the files are fixed, they should be fixed properly, and not with the kludged unsafe characters.
(e) I was responding gracefully until your attack on my work. You asked me not to do something, I replied that it was my browser's fault and I wished there was something I could do about it. If my later replies have seemed ungraceful, I apologise, but your sentence When your commit subcategorizes a geo-stub and garbles 25 diacriticized characters due to a largely minor misfeature, it does more harm than good. was ungraceful to start with. What is it you claim I have committed? Grutness| 11:21, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Well, for example these I can see how these few breakages may seem insignificant compared to the other two thousand, but it's not like you couldn't have used a bot that has been proven to work and avoid this kind of collateral damage... that would be a graceful way to handle this IE bug, that's what I meant (being graceful in replies is nice, but it can't replace doing the right thing).
The breakages don't seem insignificant to me - I'm sorry they happened. What I'm saying is that since I don't know which pages they were on, I'd need to check a LOT of files to find where they were, and even then I wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
Since I've no idea how to make bots, all I can do is edit by hand. And if my browser breaks these pages, it would probably have done the same with a bot. Personally, I would have thought that personally going back and fixing things would be much more graceful than getting an automated routine to do it for you.
BTW, on another topic entirely, may I make a suggestion (hope you don't mind...) - it'd be easier to reply to you if you worked your signature so that clicking on "Joy" took you to your user page, and clicking on "Shallot" took you to your talk page. Just a thought :) Grutness| 22:19, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think there should be a page somewhere where every Wikipedian can request help from the developers in making a bot...

There is...Misplaced Pages:Bot requests. I've asked for bots there a couple of times in the past, and never had a response from anyone, though. Grutness| 10:25, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Croat, Slovenian names

Hi Joy, could you help me out with the correct 'č', 'ć', etc for Croatia and Slovenia at Football World Cup 2002 (squads) --Dryazan 16:18, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Korbava, Kravaba, Krbava, so many names for one place!

Ugh, I knew these spelling variants were going to trip me up somewhere. did the spelling depend on who ran the government at the time, or is it a language thing? It seems that Kravaba is the same variant that was chosen for the previous maps too, and 2 older maps I read had it that way too... but looking at modern refernces I see that nobody spells it that way any more!

Anyway, the Photoshop file is http://homepage.mac.com/imeowbot/wp/hungary.zip, all the text layers are intact, have fun! iMeowbot~Mw 23:08, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Pal(a)eolithic

Hello Joy. I see you have moved Upper and Lower and Middle Palaeolithic. Should such moves not be based on consensus? I spelt them that way when creating them to remain in keeping with the ae construction used in Archaeology and also Epipalaeolithic. I admit I never did get around to requesting that Paleolithic be moved for consistency though. Please would you consider moving them back or starting a request for feedback on the general idea? Please note that Archaeology topics also have their own stub template: {{archaeology-stub}}. Regards adamsan 00:28, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I cannot perform moves for these articles, so the easiest option to finish the job would be if you could consider moving Epipalaeolithic to Epipaleolithic. This would put the full set in US English which isn't my choice but is at least consistent. Best wishes adamsan 21:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

tagging articles

Please put templates like {{expansion}} that only are useful to editors, on talk pages (the only exception I can think of would be the different stub templates). This is to Avoid self references as much as possible and make our content more useful to third party users. Thank you. :) --mav 08:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

tagging articles

Please put semi-permanent templates like {{expansion}} that only are useful to editors, on talk pages (the only major exception I can think of would be the different stub templates). This is to Avoid self references as much as possible and make our content more useful to third party users. Thank you. :) --mav 09:03, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Please ignore mav's request. He/she has been making this request to many users but it is counter to policy as stated on the very page that she refers people to, which is as follows:
However, there are exceptions to this. In particular, an article which is still in its initial development or under dispute often will include tags such as "stub", "npov", and "expansion" to help editors further develop the article, and the text in these templates include self-references. Try, however, to limit such self-references, even in templates.
Philip 10:52, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Stub sorting guidelines

I sincerely believe that we really need to lay down the law in stub sorting, and really provide a guideline. I believe that we should all attempt to reach a general consensus by April 2, 2005 in a set of rules that we can follow. Once we have built a set of guidelines, we can formally create a policy out of those guidelines. We need to define what a specialized topic stub is, how many articles it should cover, when is it appropriate to create it, what defines its need for its creation, what defines its need for deletion, what criteria it should follow, what are the general steps should one take when sorting a stub, whether or not to start using subst: for all templates, whether or not use subst: for all templates created by the meta-templates, and any other matters that may come up in consideration. I thank jag123 for initially creating the subpage for the project at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Guidelines. Even though they have been discussed, I feel that we really need to confirm everything. For that, we should discuss each issue with its own sections, and raise a list of issues that we need to nail down before really continuing on. The English Misplaced Pages is nearly at 500k articles. Either the MediaWiki software needs to handle stubs such that they can be found with a simple union of categories, or the sorting is done manually by Wikipedians. Personally, I think the latter is less taxing on the server load, especially when we use subst:, which I think would help the Misplaced Pages out, performance wise. Please make your comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Guidelines. I apologize for making this somewhat of a spam notice, but since the project has more members, the project can finally decide on these important issues at hand. -- AllyUnion (talk) 23:24, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ako ti je email...

... joy na debijanu, onda imas mail. Ako nije, pogresio sam adresu :) --Millosh 10:01, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

User:Jankaspar; aka User:81.64.45.175

Hi, I reverted a bunch of country pages where User:Jankaspar had added links to http://www.centreurope-us.org/"whatever", and I've noticed he's back as 81.64.45.175. He's doing it again. Davenbelle 11:33, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

I reverted his anon 'contribs' and asked him to stop, and he did! I'll drop you a note if I see it again. Davenbelle 12:59, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

Zara

Sorry. --Waninoco 11:20, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Double admin

Congratulations! You're a double admin. While doing some rather monotonous cross-checking of lists, I discovered that you have admin rights on both accounts (Joy and Shallot). To the best of my knowledge, you are the only one to have this distinction.  :-) Obviously, the trust was placed in you and not your user name, and it doesn't really matter, but it might be a good idea to request a beaurocrat to de-sysop Shallot. SWAdair | Talk 11:51, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

X --> X people_X_people">

Many ethnic groups also are the names of languages (English people/English language), for example; doing what I'm doing helps unify all the ethnic group articles (see Category:Ethnic groups of Europe). It's the same principle with language articles: the standard is naming them "Fooish language" instead of "Fooish," even when "Fooish" is not itself ambiguous. Regards --Neutrality 03:37, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

P.S.: I'm a bit offended that you've started to revert without telling me. Neutrality 03:40, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

Well, you moved Albanian people, Magyar people, and Greek people before posting on my talk. And "I'm reverting this" is not a particularly friendly way of opening dialogue. But that's besides the point. I think, to use your example of Italians, that Italian people is a better title because it implies the Italian ethnic group (more so than "nationals or residents of Italy, which would be dealt with in demographics of Italy. "Italians," even though it is not a language, still is somewhat ambiguous. Italian people is the better name. --Neutrality 03:52, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)


Perhaps we should bring it up at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves and get some outside input. --Neutrality 03:58, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

Caribbean ethnic groups

Hi. I was wondering why you were moving Caribbean ethnic groups to Category:Ethnic groups of Central America. While I have heard the Caribbean claimed as part of North America often enough, and (parts of it) as South America on occassion (e.g., Trinidad) I can't say I have really seen it classed with Central America. It strikes me as an odd pairing. Guettarda 23:25, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. My inclination would either be to separate "Ethnic groups of the Caribbean", or merge them both (Caribbean & Central America) into North America (since technically Central America is a peninsula of North America). Of course, most Americans aren't even aware that Mexico is part of North America, not of Central America. Guettarda 23:56, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Town or city

Hi, the Category:Cities in Hungary, which you reverted to Győr, is listed for deletion at the moment, because there is only one city in Hungary, and it's Budapest. This is because a "city" in English means a settlement with at least approx. 500,000 inhabitants, and in Hungary even the biggest town, Debrecen, doesn't have so many inhabitants, only about 200,000 people.

--Adam78 12:34, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

{{verylarge}}

I've emended {{verylarge}} so it applies more generaly; please see its entry on WP:TFD and vote again. Thanks!msh210 14:46, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Leonid Tsypkin

I thank you for your contributions in the article on Leonid Tsypkin. Good save! - Mike Rosoft 17:10, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wertq1's images

Greetings, Joy. You asked:

Why exactly did you mark some of those Jasenovac images as fair use and one unused one for deletion ? I don't see any difference between their origin (let alone license information) so they should either all be kept or all removed. --Joy 21:51, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The difference is that the fourth image isn't used in an article. Those images can only be used according to a fair use claim, and that claim would depend on what page it's used in. If a "fair use" image isn't actually used in an article, then it isn't a fair use. (If it were used, I wouldn't want to delete it.) Do you think it should be used? – Quadell 01:41, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

Yes you're right. I'll list them at Misplaced Pages:Image sleuthing, and we'll see what we find out. – Quadell 02:27, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

Need a block

Joy, when I checked Recent Changes, you were the first admin I saw on the list, so you are probably still online. I need a user blocked. I can block anons, but a software bug on my end is preventing me from submitting the block form when anything but numbers are entered. User:John fader is impersonating User:John Fader because of the latest entry on Vandalism in progress. Would you block the impersonator for me? Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 23:52, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

    • Ah, nevermind. RickK was on the job. The impersonator has been blocked indefinitely. Thank you, anyway. SWAdair | Talk 23:56, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Heh... looks like we were both typing at the same time. I just got your message. Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 23:58, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

{{titlelacksdiacritics}}

Joy, I think that your "titlelacks diacritics" is a good idea. I do think there could be one improvement. In my humble opinion, the template should be set up to float on the top of the article. It looks really cluttered when you add it to an article that already has a picture near the top. One example of an article where the "titlelacksdiacritics" template would create a problem is Rüştü Reçber. I previewed the article with the new template and it looked horrible, at least on my computer.

Seconded. I could easily run these through with the list of Croatian players I previously wrongtitled? I owe it to you for being annoying previously having done it the wrong way. Bobo192 05:12, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your note, Joy. I'll run through a list of the footballers and utilize the template. Unfortunately, it may involve very little discretion whatsoever on my part. Merely because it would make it more difficult for others to search through the ones I've changed and disregard the ones I haven't. That's a job I don't think anyone would like to have, weeding through the ones I may or may not have changed. Bobo192 20:30, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mount Lovcen

Hi! Could you elaborate just a little bit over the change you made to History of Montenegro, namely that of Mount Lovcen to Mount Lovćen? There's no other occurrence of this spelling on WP (aside from what was copied back to List of country name etymologies), nor in any of the first 100 Google hits.

Now, I know absolutely nothing of Montenegro (except for the fact that it is in Europe, and not in Africa as I had imagined...), but I came across Mount Lovcen as part of the Wiki Syntax cleanup effort to hunt down broken redirects. I've therefore written a (microscopic) stub, and I would like for it and the articles to agree on spelling.

--Fbriere 07:25, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I stand corrected: most articles on WP do use the alternate spelling. Why I can't find it outside WP, though, remains a mystery. --Fbriere 07:33, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Macedon page

The Talk page of Macedon shows that you are interested in the article. Lately I've been keeping a watch on the article because Greek nationalists (and sometimes Macedonian Slavs) keep vandalizing it on a regular basis. Just thought you might want to check on it every now & then as well. Decius 05:57, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also, just for fun, see Origin of Albanians and Talk:Origin of Albanians where User:Albanau stuns us with his brilliance and honesty, and makes a great case for the Illyrian-Albanian idea, and I'm sure he will win over the reading public with his behaviour. Decius 06:58, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Joy in Heaven

Oh, the joy in heaven when one sinner repenteth...!
(Template:Titlelacksdiacritics)
The nitpickers of the world salute thee... :) -- Picapica 01:22, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

History mergers

Hey there. I was just looking through Misplaced Pages:Cut and paste move repair holding pen and noticed The Episcopal ChurchEpiscopal Church. I've actually been able to do the merge: while Episcopal Church could not be deleted, the other could - I therefore:

  1. Deleted The Episcopal Church
  2. Moved Episcopal ChurchThe Episcopal Church
  3. Undeleted the history
  4. Moved back to The Episcopal Church

A bit of a long way around, but it works if you really need to do it. violet/riga (t) 18:42, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Josip Juraj Strossmayer

On April 16th you asked me "what's the other censorship about?" in an edit for the Strossmayer article. Apparently on the 15th I editted several parts of the article and this question was in response to that. The weird thing is, I didn't edit anything except that I added the link to the Croatian article about him. I'm not sure what happened to make all the other changes, but I didn't do it. :\ thewanderer 21:52, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Croats

Josipe, I'm the one who edited the article you reverted...Is it wise to reconnect the Croats and their perception of the Chetniks with all of that? It turns Croats (at best) into cowards. --VKokielov 23:34, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

J, I changed the sentence again - differently. It's your domain, so if you don't agree this time, I'm not going to fight. See what you think. --VKokielov 22:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The old wording was: "On the other side , Croats and Bosnians still see Chetniks as some kind of a fascist movement, not dissimilar to the fascist groups of their own, such as the Ustaše and SS Handžar Division ". The problem is that we can't pass judgment on what the Croats think about the Ustashe. They know that the rest of the world thinks the Ustashe were Nazis, but, goodness me if I ever wrote that Israel sees apartheid in South Africa no differently from its own army's actions. What's certain is that Croats and Bosnjaks don't want a holier-than-thou from any Serbs about the Chetniks. --VKokielov 22:58, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Lake Volta

Interesting - I've found several sources which claim Lake Nasser is the largest artificial lake in the world, and yet it seems to be around 6,000km² - decidedly less than Lake Volta. I suspect that I was right the first time and Lake Volta is indeed the largest artificial lake in the world. Warofdreams 10:04, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I need your help

Joy, I need your help regarding User:Hipi_Zhdripi. Please check out his contributions. They are not vandalism per se, but certainly give me headache. Please check out his talk page and his contribs, and tell me what you think. Thanks in advance, --Dejan Cabrilo 22:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I am not sure if he constitutes a vandal, and I am not exactly sure what to do about his edits. He sure made a mess so far, and it's a huge job to clean up after him. (I am sorry to sound so POV, but once you get a good look at his edits, I think you will see what I am talking about) --Dejan Cabrilo 07:53, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Capitals

Joy, hteo bih da se konsultujem sa tobom u vezi jednog clanka. Rec je o clanku Capitals_of_Hungary. Ne vidim osnovu po kojoj su Sisak i Sremska Mitrovica uvrsteni ovde kao Madjarsake prestonice. Ta dva grada niti su se nalazila na teritoriji danasnje Madjarske, niti su se nalazila na teritoriji istorijske Madjarske, u vreme kada je ona obuhvatala te teritorije. Dakle, pominjanje ova dva grada u ovom clanku mi lici na kradju Vojvodjanske i Hrvatske istorije. Prema tome, predlazem da se to brise iz ovog clanka. Medjutim da ne bismo potpuno obrisali ovo, ta dva grada kao istorijske prestonice rimske Panonije treba pomenuti u posebnim clancima koji su predvidjeni za to. Ja sam vec napisao clanak Capitals_of_Vojvodina, gde sam pomenuo Sirmium, a napisacu i clanak Capitals_of_Serbia, gde cu ga takodje pomenuti. Tebi predlazem da napises clanak Capitals_of_Croatia (posto ja bas nemam podataka o toj temi) i da tamo pomenes Sisak, a zatim mozemo ova dva grada izbrisati iz clanka o prestonicama Madjarske. Da li se slazes sa mojim predlogom. User:PANONIAN

Moram reci da se ne slazem bas potpuno sa tvojim poslednjim izmenama u clanku o prestonicama Madjarske. Smatram da nisi morao da obrises gradove: Aquincum, Savaria i Sopianae. Shvatam, kojim si se principom koristio ovde, ali mislim da taj princip bas nije odgovarajuci. Navescu jedan primer. Kada bismo recimo pisali istoriju Srbije, postavilo bi se sledece pitanje: da li da istoriju Srbije pocnemo od Ilira, Tracana i Rimljana, ili da je pocnemo od Sarmatije i Bele Srbije u Polablju, posto su Srbi tamo ziveli pre nego sto su dosli na Balkan. Moram primetiti da se u istorijskim knjigama koje sam citao o toj temi koriste oba principa, dakle, neko pocinje istoriju Srbije od Ilira, a neko od Sarmata, a tesko je reci ko je u pravu. Istorija Srbije, Madjarske ili Hrvatske nije iskljucivo istorija ovih drzava u vreme kad su postojale sa tim imenom, nego istovremeno i istorija geografskog podrucja na kom se te drzave nalaze. Na primer, ocigledno je da za vreme turske vladavine Srbija nije postojala, ali u istorijskim knjigama o Srbiji se pise i o vremenu turske vladavine. Prema tome, pisati u istoriji Srbije samo o vremenu kada je postojala pod tim imenom, a iskljuciti istoriju tog geografskog podrucja u vremenu kada Srbija nije postojala, je jedna nepotrebna iskljucivost. Sta je poenta? Smatram da su rimski gradovi Aquincum, Savaria i Sopianae deo istorije Madjarske i da bi ih trebalo vratiti u clanak (makar pronaci neki poseban odgovarajuci podnaslov pod kojim bi se mogli staviti). Sto se tice clanka o prestonicama Vojvodine, taj clanak sam vec nedavno napisao, i to koristeci oba pomenuta principa. Dakle ukljucio sam prestonice istorijskih pokrajina koje su se nalazile na teritoriji danasnje Vojvodine, kao i istorijske prestonice Vojvodine i Srema (Temisvar i Debrc), koje se nisu nalazile na teritoriji danasnje Vojvodine. Zaista ne vidim razlog da ne koristimo oba principa, kako kod ovog clanka, tako i kod drugih clanaka o prestonicama Madjarske, Srbije, Hrvatske, itd. Inace, moja primedba na clanak o prestonicama Madjarske je bila ta sto se Siscia i Sirmium tamo nisu mogli uvrstiti ni po jednom od dva pomenuta principa, ali to nije slucaj sa ostala 3 rimska grada. Sto se tice toga da li je Vojvodina imala mnogo prestonica, samo uporedi taj clanak (u kom sam nabrojao 8 prestonica), sa sadasnjim clankom o prestonicama Madjarske (u kom ih ima 5). Pretpostavljam da je to dovoljno za poseban clanak. User:PANONIAN

Joy, vratio sam 3 prestonice Panonije u clanak o prestonicama Madjarske, a dopisao sam ih tako da izgledaju minorno u odnosu na glavni tekst (kako si rekao). Pogledaj da li se slazes sa tim kako je napisano. User:PANONIAN

Balkan NPOV page

Pisem vama trojici koji ste se prijavili jos onomad na m:South Slavic NPOV page (Hariju, Xjamu i tebi), posto sam napravio neke izmene, a potaknut desavanjima vezanim za stranicu en:Kosovo. Dakle, definitivno treba to da aktiviramo. Preko toga, ja sam promenio ime u m:Balkan NPOV page zato sto mi se cini da tako ima znatno vise smisla. Treba ukljuciti u to i Albance, ali i Grke itd. i videti sta dalje. Meni se cini da je dobro da napravimo template koji kaze da je ta i ta stranica pod obradom Balkan NPOV page i da tamo treba razgovarati i sl. --Millosh 19:44, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Tesanj population

Oops, that would seem to be a mistake on my part. I received that figure from , although as it happens I can't read Croatian. However I felt I could understand enough of it (Populacija, Bošnjaci, Srbi seem somewhat self-evident) that I could make sense of the figures. It seemed to me "stanovnika" meant something similar to "people" or "population". I didn't realize it was a municipality as well as a town. Looking at it again, it seems the town's population is 5.668 and the municipality's is 52.249. Sarge Baldy 14:58, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Banja Luka

Joy, if you have time could you visit Banja Luka page (see discussion page also). I've been dealing with user Oldadamm who also passes himself as 81.93.75.129 . It has been difficult to reason with this person and his edits and occassional vandalism on several other pages have been going on for months. Thanks. --Dado 04:45, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

1991 BiH census Muslim vs. Bosniak

83.93.2.84 keeps changing your 1991 census information in various articles, replacing the word 'Muslim' with 'Bosniak'. While most Muslims in BiH now identify themselves as Bosniaks, I don't think it's very accurate to change the census information just because of that. I was going to edit it, but because of the scope of the issue I thought I'd check with you first. You probably have more experience dealing with these sticky situations. Thanks. --Thewanderer 20:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Template:Titlelacksdiacritics

Why the specificity to diacritics? Considering TFD. -SV|t 22:05, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

From Template talk:Wrongtitle
Considering that there is very little distinction between proper use and oversuse of this template, there should be some enforced rules regarding what does and does not get used. I think that this is all improper, and only highlights a technical issue, which there isnt even an agreement to classify it as a difficulty The "Foo should be foo" is a good example of this problem. The fact that its use is primarily limited to Roman alphabet-based systems is an ethnocentric concept of policy - why is a Swedish name called "wrongly titled" when a Chinese name is not? Its really very inconsistent, and only serves the purpose of advancing various diacritic systems. Further its not "wrong" - its policy to name things in English - not in any other language. The fact that there is limited capability for the latter should be a positive bellweather for the future, not a basis for complaining about the problems. -SV|t 21:10, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Obavesti me...

... o glupostima koje se objavljuju ovde glede veze Srba i ameba. Najbolje je na mojoj strani za razgovor na srpskoj Vikipediji. Sad sam izmenio Zahumlje. Pogledacu slicne stvari... --Millosh 16:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Da li je i ima li izvora o tome da je Stefan Vojislav srpsko-hrvatskog porekla ili ne? (Ovo je o Duklji.) --Millosh 20:23, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Znas, ne razumem se ja puno u istoriju ranog Srednjeg veka. I u tom smislu ne mogu nista da komentarisem od onoga sto si ti napisao. Jedino, svakako, da je sasvim u enciklopedijskom duhu i da u tom smislu nemam zamerki. E, sad. Stvarno mislim da bismo te stvari morali globalno da resimo. Otud i ono moje stvaranje South Slavic NPOV-a i preimenovanje u Balkan NPOV. Lakse cemo sa sranjima izlaziti na kraj ako zajedno stojimo za odredjenih formulacija. Hajd pogledaj ono sto sam poslednje uradio: m:Balkan NPOV page/principles. --Millosh 15:28, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Steward

Razgovarali smo malo (na srpskoj Vikipediji) i, bar mi koji smo razgovarali, smatramo da bi bilo dobro da se prijavis za stewarda. Ja te podrzavam, a verovatno je da cete podrzati i odredjeni broj drugih sa srpske Vikipedije. Lakse mi je da cimam tebe nego nekog na engleskom :) --Millosh 12:03, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

Apparently. I expected you to be the one to edit what I wrote. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Croatian_language&action=history

Thank you for editing the Yugoslav article. Remember, I'm looking from the side, so you have everything over me. --VKokielov 17:29, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete "secular equation"

Would you please delete the "secular equation"? Both "secular equation" and secular equation are established by me, but the one with quotations are rarely, even never, be used. Please note that they both redirect to Characteristic polynomial. The request is to delete "secular equation", not Characteristic polynomial. Thank you

Jacob grace 05:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Thank you very much. :D ^^ Jacob grace 16:56, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

What do you think?

Here's a citation about kajkavian from M. Stevanovic's book:

"oblik vokativa je jednak nominativu; čuvaju se stari oblici množine imenčkih oblika, uglavnom kao i u čakavskom. Kajkavsku deklinaciju karakterišu još i krači oblici množine...: bregi, lugi, listi, duhi. ...u instrumentalu...: menom, tebom, sebom; oblik genitiva...kaj...je česa; pokazne zamenice...u sažetom oblicima:ki, ka, ke; nastance preneli su se i na tvrde: trdega, kukuruznega, crnelem); brojevi...sačuvali promenljivost: pred sedmimi letmi; nastavak...imperative množine -ete: držete, nesete, hodete: futur nesvr glagola se pravi od prezenta glagola biti i radnog prideva glagola koji se menja: budu ljudi šli, bum kopal; a od svršenih glagola za futur se uzima oblik prezenta: ja dostignem vas; kopaj i najdeš; ako ja izdravim tebe ne ostavim)"

What do you think? Worth anything? (I ask before I poop any more on your article). --VKokielov 04:47, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Clergy

Please restore these pages. I'll let you know when I'm finished with them.

-- Netoholic @ 17:26, 2005 May 27 (UTC)


Nevermind, someone found where this ended up at (Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Croat Catholic Ustashi clergy), so I'm all set. -- Netoholic @ 19:20, 2005 May 27 (UTC)

Ethnic groups

I think this looks better. - 69.212.70.138 21:33, 27 May 2005 (UTC)


Counties of Croatia

you are ignorant and you are lying. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:27, 29 May 2005 (UTC)