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More Hong Tran deletions

Bobblehead, I would appreciate it if, given your previous errors regarding deletions on this page, you would take extra care beforehand in ensuring that any deletions are actually justified and meet a community standard. I would also ask that you reconsider whether you can objectively work on this page and retain a NPOV. Emcee 15:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

By being "up on the ebbs and flows of such things," do you mean conforming to the opinions expressed within the past few days on the flagcruft essay? I am well aware of your opinions on Hong Tran's notability, but these were not upheld by the community. Is the answer then to delete any little thing that you can possibly find some kind of grayish support to delete? That certainly wasn't your approach to the Cantwell page. I do have remaining questions about your ability to remain neutral on this piece (bias is not always necessarily intentional, so you don't have to regard this as an accusation of bad faith). Acting "within the bounds of Wiki-policy" is a hazy (and low) bar -- shouldn't we be striving for consensus, and an evenhanded approach to all articles, regardless of our personal feelings about the subjects or other editors? Shouldn't we also be working towards a higher level of civility? It seems that you took offense to my comments above, but I think most readers would regard your response (especially the last couple of lines) as hostile and condescending. Emcee 00:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. And why should I continue to assume good faith, if you are fine with being intentionally hostile and condescending? Emcee 08:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's keep this focused on the issue here, rather than the "I'm rubber you're glue" thing... which is your hostile and condescending response to my recent comments on your talk page. Even should you choose to interpret my comments as lacking an assumption of good faith (which they do not), why is it OK for you to respond in a hostile and condescending manner? Wouldn't that just tend to escalate any problem that might exist? Emcee 23:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Socks

Yeah, that's a good idea, though for some reason I have a faint memory of someone already trying that . . . ehh, I guess no one did. It could be an open proxy or it could be a meatpuppet. I dunno. Obviously, though, he's using a non-static range of IPs. · jersyko talk 18:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks for doing that. Maybe we can end up with a range block out of this. · jersyko talk 20:36, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

And then there's this - check contributions. Tvoz |talk 05:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Already blocked. No way that wasn't Derek. · jersyko talk 14:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

. . . and added that one to the list. If he's editing from a completely new set of IPs now, hopefully we can determine what those are. · jersyko talk 14:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Formula One (Sega video game)

Hi, the debate on should the article be moved to a new title has come up again. As you participated in it last time, thought you might want to know. AlexJ 16:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser case completed

Hi, A checkuser IP Check case you filled has been completed by a CheckUser, and archived. You can find the results for 7 days at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/IP check/Archive. -- lucasbfr , checkuser clerk, 20:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

some of those and some others were already confirmed, so I don't know why it's "likely" - or what about the othersTvoz |talk 20:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention we were going for an IP block, not confirmation of sockpuppetry... --Bobblehead 21:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was doing at lot there and got mixed up. I've looked into that again and blocked a few ranges. Some of the ranges used had too much other traffic and there would be to much collateral damage to block them. Voice-of-All 23:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Tanninglamp's edits

I have been meaning to tell you for a number of days how much I appreciate your vigilance in reverting this individual's vandalism to the Keith Olbermann article. It is astonishing to me---though, I do not know why it continues to astonish me---the lengths to which some people will go in their attempts to smear someone and push a POV. At any rate, looking at the edit history ] of the anonymous user 72.79.115.175, I suspect that these two are one and the same. It would behoove us to keep an eye on this IP. Methinks he is not done yet. Thanks again for your time and efforts. ---Charles 22:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Bored

I got bored so I fixed one of your userboxes that no longer worked due to the userbox migration. I hope you don't mind. :)--Mbc 01:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Oo, nifty. Thanks! I hadn't even noticed that it wasn't working.--Bobblehead 03:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

IP check

Have the stomach for another IP check? Whatever IP range Dereks1x is currently editing from this user is most certainly editing from it. · jersyko talk 03:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

FYI - Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/Dereks1x. WP:BAN prevents Dereks1x and his socks from editing at all. I strongly object to the reinsertion of his edits at checkuser. Please comment if you have anything to say. · jersyko talk 15:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the checkuser didn't even bother with the request and immediately checked the user against Dereks1x instead of you, it seems :). Thanks for starting the IP check up again. · jersyko talk 18:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for cleaning up List of television shows cancelled after 2006 season. I haven't quite figured out the ref thing yet so it was a bit flabby. Plus, good news about Scrubs. --Wordbuilder 14:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks

For fixing the tag on Astronauts HoF - you're right, I meant the whole article. It needs a cmplete overhaul if it's to stay, I think. Tvoz |talk 01:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on Gus Grissom's spacesuit as we speak. The article itself is probably noteworthy enough to stay as it does have a number of references in reliable sources. It's just very stubby and could do with some serious expansion. --Bobblehead 02:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

edit to jericho -refs

Hi, I am leaving a note here to ask that you reconsider your removal of the NYT cite from Jericho (TV series) diff here I know that 3 refs might seem excessive, however, info becomes harder to verify as time goes by, and frankly the NYT source seems the most reliable of the three. Sometimes websites don't keep their articles accessible online. In the future someone may be more able to verify the info if the sourcing is in multiple places. Thanks. R. Baley 18:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the extra ref. link for Ender's comment, as I forgot to do that when I rearranged the section. Cheers. --Ckatz_spy 18:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for your work on the article that I began, Astronaut Hall of Fame or U.S. Astronaut Hall of Fame, whatever the name. Is there a definite wording say, on the Hall of Fame's charter documents or the like?Feddhicks 02:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

"Flagcruft"

I hate those little flag icons! —Gaff 03:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ditto! And I don't even know why. Tvoz |talk 05:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

They annoy me because they don't serve a purpose and if the flag is similar to other flags, it's almost impossible to tell what they are. If it weren't for the name of the image who'd know which of these was Ontario's provincial flag .--Bobblehead 16:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Infobox JTA Skyway station

Thank you for taking the time to replace the infoboxes and notifying me after its completion. –Dream out loud (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Commas

This issue has been discussed before, actually. Commas are actually needed (even if the software formalises the date). A scenario for you to consider: if the software fixed incorrect spellings in the article output itself, do you think it would be acceptable to have have them in the editing box? I personally don't -- just like we shouldn't encourage grammatically incorrect dates.

Also remember that Misplaced Pages is forked by many websites, not always using the same setup as Misplaced Pages... thus giving them grammatically incorrect dates. Also a point is not including the comma sets a bad example, e.g. when a person adds a non-wikified date the comma won't be auto-added. Matthew 18:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess I don't agree on the "wasn't necessary" thing, the issue isn't a big deal -- anyway -- so I'll withdraw from this discussion. Have a good evening, Matthew 19:33, 20 June 2007

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Clinton/Obama Ticket

You are right, there is no ticket yet. I will bet you a steak dinner that there will be one! Cr8tiv 21:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC) Cr8tiv 21:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

And by that I mean Mannhattans and Martinis with Crab Cakes for starters Followed by salad with blue cheese dressing and Sam Adams to drink with buttery rolls that are so fresh that "hot" comes out when you break them open. Then a New York Strip steak the size of a toilet seat with Baked Potato ALL the way, creamed spinach washed down with a good Australian Shiraz. Then when we cannot take anymore Key Lime Pie, gourmet coffee Cuban Cigars and Brandy. I am THAT confident in the future Clinton/Obama ticket!!!!!Cr8tiv 17:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

You lost me at "toilet seat". Tvoz |talk 17:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that even if Hillary gets the second seat VP in the Clinton/Obama ticket or Obama/Clinton ticket she will be only slightly uphappy AS SHE ALREADY was covert VICE-PRESIDENT from January 1993-January 2001...Cr8tiv 19:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Edwards changes

I think the article was better after my changes; subsections help keep track of things as time goes by. I just went back to add more and was surprised to see my changes reverted with no discussion. It will get more and more difficult to keep track of information as time goes by without subsections, and it's discouraging for an editor to have their changes reverted with no discussion.--Gloriamarie 03:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It is not necessary to create subsections for a single paragraph. If an incident only has a paragraph it is obviously a minor incident and putting it in a subsection gives undue weight to that incident. Subsections are only to be used for major incidents where the weight is appropriate or if the section is overly long and an arbitrary section break is necessary. As far as having your edits undone... Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I wager a significant portion of my edits don't even remotely resemble the way they looked when I originally added them. Having your edits removed/changed/etc. is how Misplaced Pages works. The thing that you need to work on is to not be discouraged by this and continue with your editing. If you feel that my removal is inappropriate, you're more than welcome to ask for the opinion of other editors by posting a comment on the talk page. --Bobblehead 03:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

thanks

...for fixing the vandalism on my talk page - weird vandalism, that. Tvoz |talk 06:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Hey, I redid it using the template, but I'm not confident with it. Would you mind checking to see if it's done right? Thanks! Murderbike 00:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the help yesterday. As to the "vandal" tag, I only did it after Custerwest deleted the 3RR report from that page, which I figured was pretty blatant vandalism, and was getting really frustrated with all the other things I was trying to get this user dealt with that were going nowhere. I'll keep it in mind next time. Thanks! Murderbike 17:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

UNmitigated Left-Wing 'Progresssive' Bias of this EDitor

Unbelievable amounts of signs of left-wing leanings by this editor. Examples of this are his outright praise for democratic candidiates for president, labels himself a 'progressive', etc. Has shown incredible amount of protection of articles on people he views as 'untouchable' by negative information that is more than verifiable.69.115.23.71 10:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC) June 30 2007

Yes, Mr. Bobblehead, we are watching you and that unmitigated outright praise. Tvoz |talk 12:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah. I'm horrible. Practically a Stalinist. Careful, I might send y'all off to the gulag. --Bobblehead 16:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

iPhone criticism

Where are the complaints that aren't about features, such as the AT&T service agreement?  hmwith  talk 13:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, alright then. It integrated into the article so well that I couldn't even find it! Thanks.  hmwith  talk 20:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

"Canvassing"

I'm not, I'm balancing the equation. All the shows I messaged have episode articles -- the DRV is very relevant to them as it effects their articles. Notifying editors helps us build consensus. In ned's case, he just notified his friends it seems. Matthew 08:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Editors need to be informed of what's happening in the background, the previous TfD (look at it) turned into a right mess... it may of been less of a mess if better notification had been given. I looked at it like this: would I like to know about something that impacts articles I'm interested in? Matthew 08:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Please don't cause trouble

I don't give a rat's about Barack Obama. I care more about the Astronaut Hall of Fame, Fedex, and others (which you followed me to edit). When you and others start creating a ruckus over some neutral talk comments, that creates controversy and edit warring. While I don't say anything about your intentions, the end result of Tvoz' and your highly confrontational comments and accusations, is that many people would respond.

My advice to you is to AGF and don't fan the flames. How often do I look at the Barack Obama article? Almost never! Yet when you and Tvoz (so far it's only you two) fan the flames and start attacking me, this is bad. Luckily, I can enjoy the 4th of July and walk away. Most others would not be so easy going.

In short, not AGF and not being civil is not a good thing to do. This is just advice to help you, not to argue with you. Feddhicks 19:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks

...for the reverts on my talk page. By the way, I don't know who this guy is, but I don't particularly believe in coincidences. Tvoz |talk 04:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Exuse me Booblehead, not to be rude, but I was just wondering why you termed my recent edits concerning names and religion to Barack Obama page as "Vandalistic", "Malicious", and threatened to have me blocked. Is not Barack Obama's Middle name "Hussein" and was he not raised with two Muslim fathers and went to Muslim school in Indonesia? Politely I ask you not to attack those who post facts contrary to your self-dubed "Progressive" ideology. If I was a powerful Wikipedian editor like you I would respect facts even if they did not fit neatly into my ideology. Thanks.

Senator Obama

This dispute is not minor as you said when taking down the FAR label. It is highly contentious with allegations of socks, personal attacks, and so forth.

If you can help calm things down, this is good. I prefer calm. In fact when that other editor constantly attacks and retorts, it just worsens things. For example, I've kept comments to a minimum and did not re-revert that tiny small print in the footnotes even though I think the effect (not commenting on intent) is that of hiding information away. Feddhicks 18:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

ok

Hey, maybe a voice of reason? That Tvoz is so aggressive. Sometimes aggressiveness breeds aggressiveness even though I've been intentionally less aggressive. So, I'll give it a rest starting now. I will not notify any more people of the FAR. In fact, I'll not look at Obama for the weekend and hope that Tvoz won't take advantage of the gestureFeddhicks 19:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Sir, Barack Obama went to Muslim school in Indonesia and has stated in his own autobiographical works that his favorite thing to do growing up was to visit the mosque and study the Koran. I guess that does not fit with your description of being Muslim.

Haydenstone2 00:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Hi. I'm still giving Obama a rest but SandyGeorgia said I need to put tags on more user talk pages which I'll do. See how calm it is when Tvoz doesn't attack? Feddhicks 16:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

reply

I usually try not to make fun of other editors. However, it's an insult (possibly intended?) to be compared with an editor like Derek when you said you'll let it slide. It's like comparing you to User:Dialot. After all, your name has 3 syllables, just like Dialot. Happy editing! VK35 19:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Jericho

Hello... I reverted your talk page change re: the new character. You're right about the forum rules, but in this case I think it is more a case of using the talk page to "store" information that we perhaps can't use right now, but may wish to keep on top of for the future. (I won't object if you revert me, mind you - but would it help if we established a "potential fact" section?) --Ckatz_spy 02:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Likewise (the no-skin part)... the source (E!'s commentator) - while trading in rumours - tends to be more "reliable" than a fan forum. However, if you're not comfortable with it, or think it is too forum-ish, please revert me - I certainly won't object. Thanks. --Ckatz_spy 02:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

fedd

Sure. It just became more and more obvious that this was a sock as he continued to make familiar statements. I requested review of the block at WP:ANI, in any event, but I don't expect that it will be overturned for any reason. · jersyko talk 20:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Breather is irresponsible

Your saying to take a breather is irresponsible. Dragging my name in the mud is wrong. That is lack of AGF and some other things... If you take that attitude, put your name in the RFCU or give me permission to do so (not "feel free to" but "I order you to") VK35 01:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

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Olive branch

For not insisting on harrassment and keep the ongoing defacement of MastCell's RFCU, I will consider this an olive branch. Convince Jersyko and others to do the same and we can merrily restart editing constructively. VK35 15:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Let the RFCU proceed, don't remove yourself and Feddhicks, and let's see where it takes us. Then you can go about your business, or not, depending. What are you so concerned about?Tvoz |talk 16:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Tvoz or Jersyko removed their names off a RFCU against them (4/30/07). 1st RFCU already done, 2nd one is harrassmentVK35 16:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Consider asking Tvoz to stop attacking. Also see the exceptions to 3RR ] "reverts to remove content or links to content that harasses". RFCU #1 already done. Resulted considered by Jimbo Wales (along with private exculpatory evidence). RFCU#2 only serves to harrass. VK35 16:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)