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Thank you indeed Tom for drawing my attention to the "the angel Gabriel". Many thanks and kindest regards. Baher 13:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your kind words. I am glad I grew up speaking this crazy language, otherwise I would never be able to learn it. Tom Harrison 13:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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Please do not edit the Le Rosey page. You should not be able to affect the nature of that page for the same reason why you did not study there. The world is not equal.

Please do not edit the Le Rosey page. You should not be able to affect the nature of that page for the same reason why you did not study there. The world is not equal.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.77.253.191 (talk • contribs).

Nice additions!

I just noticed your additions to the Kaymakli article! Thank you so much Tom!, makes me feel worse for being so aggressive earlier.

		Armenian Barnstar of National Merit
		I, Hetoum hereby award you the Armenian Barnstar of National Merit for your patience and contribution to the Amenaprkich Monastery article. Hetoum I 20:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hetoum, thank you very much! Tom Harrison 20:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

) It did sound like a good book, and I was recommended by an Armenian professor to it. I will try to get the book myself in the near future. D.O. publications can be expensive, but certainly worth every penny. Their works are done by quite competent scholars. I was recently reading some articles from the D.O. journal on the Armenian marchlands and it was quite impressive.Hetoum I 18:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Muslims persecution of Christians

Why did the article get changed to Islam and Anti-Christian sentiment? LoveMonkey 12:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you and Sefringle are discussing it on the talk page. It's not a topic I have followed very closely, but I will watch it for a while. Tom Harrison 14:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Aisha

Hi Tom,

I would be very thankful if you could help with Aisha article. Here is the dispute:

The quote we have:

As far as Ayesha's age at the time of her marriage to the Prophet is concerned, it is a matter of ongoing controversy among Muslims. Conservatives (and Western Orientalists) put her age as low as nine years, based on Ahadith that claim that she was playing with dolls when she got married. This could well be true since the concept of childhood is a relatively recent one, and the age of consent for women in most cultures in those days was quite low. (Even in the United States, the age of consent for women was between seven and ten as late as 1889 and was raised to eighteen only as the result of feminist campaigns.) As such, there was nothing aberrant in the practice of marrying young girls fourteen centuries ago (though it is today, given that we now recognize children as children). On the other hand, however, Muslims who calculate Ayesha's age based on details of her sister Asma's age, about whom more is known, as well as on details of the Hijra (the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina), maintain that she was over thirteen and perhaps between seventeen and nineteen when she got married. Such views cohere with those Ahadith that claim that at her marriage Ayesha had "good knowledge of Ancient Arabic poetry and genealogy" and "pronounced the fundamental rules of Arabic-Islamic ethics" (Walther 1981, 75). However, most of what we know about Ayesha, including the details of her marriage, are reconstructions that remain susceptible to interpretive controversy and manipulation in view of the very different meaning of her life for Sunni and Shii Muslims (After the Prophet's death, Ayesha led an unsuccessful revolt against Ali, the Prophet's cousin and son-in-law, the fourth caliph of Islam whom the Shii follow as Imam.) Not only are Muslims thus particularly invested in specific reconstructions of her life, but the most definite work on it was begun a century and a half after her death. The work drew for its details on "oral reports transmitted over three to four generations"(Spellberg 1994, 2); thus, "even the earliest Arabic written sources on Aisha's life already capture that life as a legacy, an interpretation." As D. A. Spellberg puts it (191), in studying Ayesha, one therefore is studying "male intellectual history, not a woman's history, but reflections about the place of a woman, and by extension, all women, in exclusively male assertions about Muslim society." To what extent estimates of Ayesha's age or the details of her marriage also embody displaced male desires must then permanently remain open to question."

Source: "Believing Women" in Islam: Unreading Patriarchal Interpretations of the Qur'an (University of Texas Press, 2002). page 126" Author of the book: Asma Barlas.

Dispute: User:Arrow740 and User:Proabivouac oppose adding the above information from the book. They want to write: "Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad." I want to write: Most Muslims (and Western scholars of Islam) hold that Aisha have been six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad...... A minority of Muslims calculate the age of Aisha to have been over 13 and 14, perhaps between 17 and 19."

Some arguments for why the book is a reliable source:

1. The book was published by University of Texas press which practices the peer-reviewing process.

2. Reviews of the book (or other academic sources that cite this book, which means we too can cite it):

• John Esposito reviewed the book saying: "This is an original and, at times, groundbreaking piece of scholarship."
• Kirsten V. Walles, Department of History, University of Texas at Austin reviewed the book saying: "The book Believing is a fascinating analysis of the woman’s position in Muslim society.However the basic premise of Asma Barlas’s theories could be applied and used by scholars of many disciplines including religion, gender, and history..."
• David Robinson in Muslim Societies in African History (Cambridge University Press) says: "For the role of women, start with Asma Barlas' Believing Women in Islam:..."
• Winkelmann, Carol Lea, Christine Shearer-Cremean (Survivor Rhetoric, University of Toronto Press) cite this work (p.236).
• Josef W. Meri (in Medieval Islamic Civilization: An Encyclopedia, Routledge press) p.280 refers to this book.
• And ...

3. Please see Asma Barlas article. She has for example edited a chapter in "Cambridge Companion to the Qur’an " among others. Barlas was named to the prestigious Spinoza Chair at the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands due to "her prominent contributions to discussions about women and Islam".

Thanks --Aminz 08:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Even Watt says she was nine when they had sex. This femininist author is a tertiary source for this hadith analysis, though she might be good for other things. The real issue here is that Aminz is claiming that the sources say that Aisha had reached puberty (Pro removed it here), when they don't. This is an egregious misprepresentation of sources and deserves some censure. Arrow740 08:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

The above source says the Western Orientalist (the category to which Watt and others belong) believe in Aisha marrying at nine. Barlas only reports that there is a controversy. Being a feminist might affect her judgments from the facts but not in reporting them. Even if Barlas is a feminist, she has been commended for "her prominent contributions to discussions about women and Islam"- hardly can anyone have prominent contributions to the issue of Islam and women but makes obvious mistakes about one of the most important women in Islam, i.e. Aisha

Of course Aisha stayed with her father until she reached puberty. Proab is only throwing accusation against me. Spellberg states that "all these references to the Aisha's age reinforce Aisha's pre-menarcheal status, and, implicitly her virginity." Watt also says: "We must remember, of course, that girls matured much earlier in seventh-century Arabia." Others also say this. --Aminz 08:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

You just hoisted yourself by your own petard. I think this deserves a block. Arrow740 08:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Block for you maybe but not for me. --Aminz 08:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Or, maybe a block for you. Arrow740 08:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Aminz, so Spellberg states that "all these references to the Aisha's age reinforce Aisha's pre-menarcheal status," and you take home from this, "Aisha hit puberty?" As opposed to, you got this bloody unlikely notion from the fever swamps of internet dawah, and are falsely attributing it to what here pass for (a political scientist specializing in race/gender/you know the drill) reliable sources?Proabivouac 08:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

There has never ever been the custom in any society to consummate marriages before adulthood. Colin Turner (Islam: The Basics, Routledge Press) says: "However, such marriages were almost certainly not consummated until both parties had entered adulthood, which Arabs in the seventh century tended to reach at an earlier age that Westerners today."

--Aminz 09:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

That makes the fact that Muhammad didn't wait all the more disgusting. The point remains that you blatantly misrepresented sources. Arrow740 09:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Asma Barlas's area of speciality includes "Islam and Qur'anic Hermeneutics, and Women and Gender". She has written about Islam in famous presses . --Aminz 09:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

She is not an acceptable tertiary source for this material. Arrow740 09:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• Barlas(2002) appears as note 3, and should be removed or listed in the references by title.

• Barlas' can be presented as a minority opinion unless it is only her view and no other authorities have accepted it. If it is just her, it would be undue weight to give it that prominence. I have no idea which is the case. It looks like a complex subject with a lot of history, and I don't have the time or expertise to inform myself of all I would need to know to have an opinion.

• It's not appropriate for us as editors to characterize Muhammad's behavior as disgusting. That will just antagonize people and make editing more difficult. Reliable sources have said whatever they said about Aisha's age at marriage. Our encyclopedia article should not use this as a way to indict Islam today, or to promote Muhammad as a moral example, or to somehow support one side in a political/religious dispute.

Tom Harrison 14:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply.

I would like to make a clarification: The dispute is not over Barlas's personal "view"s but rather over the truthness of the primary "report" she is transmitting. She is basically saying that there are a minority of Muslims who "based on details of her sister Asma's age, about whom more is known, as well as on details of the Hijra (the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina)..Such views cohere with those Ahadith that claim that at her marriage Ayesha had "good knowledge of Ancient Arabic poetry and genealogy" and "pronounced the fundamental rules of Arabic-Islamic ethics"".

Please note that the question is not over interpretation of anything, but rather over truthness of the very report. --Aminz 01:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Iraq Resolution

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Tom Harrison Talk 15:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Im guessing that you didnt look at the talk page since we already reached a consensus...everyone agrees with me...and think the other editor is wrong. Of course since he has also edited the page 3 times in 1 day....you sent him a email to also....right? We are in open Med...of course that didnt stop the wrong editor from going ahead and changing the page to his POV once again. How about doing something about that? GATXER 01:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

If everyone agrees with you, then one of those people will restore the version you prefer. Tom Harrison 13:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The other editor requested a mediator.....who now has agreed with us...however the other editor still wont stop making he POV edits. Hes in like 5 pages with a mediator all Bush pages all with him and his POV. Also Im not the only one delteing his POV edits. We can do nothing else since he wont listen to reason. GATXER 23:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• It is very nice for you to make friends. However, you should start by not misrepresenting the facts.

1. Tom warned you because you violated WP:3RR
2. The fact I ask for mediation alot may indicate I am trying to avoid exactly the sillyness we are now having. For details of what I want to prevent see my page on Merecat and Zerofault.
3. Further, you might want to start talking instead of blindly reverting. The fact you have not even noticed you deleted sources, I carefully inserted to address your claims of the comments being incorrect, proves you have no idea of what you are doing. Please try and find middle ground as this editor has already suggested to you.

Respectfully Nomen Nescio 09:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

You get a lot of Mediators because you force you POV on everyone. It isnt working with me. I will take the mediator advice and keep moving the Criticism to the Criticism section. Consensus on this has been reached and NO ONE agrees with you. GATXER 10:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Coming from an editor that only contributes by reverting others it sounds a bit hollow. Since this is somebody else's page I won't respond to this edit warrioir again here. Nomen Nescio 10:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Its should be pointed out that I have contributed to another page and meet up with a editor not unlike Nescio who while they admitted my edit was 100% true they didn't want it....I then backed down and left Winki. That is something I wont do again. This is just another thing Nescio has said about me that was a lie GATXER 02:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

underground cities article has been vandalised

underground cities And no brain surgery was not first performed in Turkey. LoveMonkey 15:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see what you mean. Can you give me a diff? Tom Harrison 16:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

BP Information

I liked what you wrote regarding BP, however it does not seem to connect. The section is about Operation Ajax obviously, and while BP is mentioned, the subject is not BP. I am not sure if the company is of interest to you, perhaps you can write something more closely related to the time period of the subject regarding BP or the company it was formerly known as that would serve as an intro, or outro. However the information you added takes place some 20 years later and seems disjointed. Thank you. --SixOfDiamonds 17:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. BP is of course the successor of the Anglo-Persian oil company, and the nationalization of their assets (or fear of it), revolution, and (re-)nationalization seem to many to be all of a piece. Also, it leads nicely into the next para on Iraq, or would if I had moved the 'Asia Times' bit. Anyway, we'll see where it goes. Tom Harrison 18:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

If you believe it leads into the section on Iraq, perhaps you can just reorganize whats there to achieve that. I am not sure how it fits really, but I am mainly into South America / Caribbean issues. --SixOfDiamonds 19:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

The real question about Santa

What does he do when a child asks for a Bigfoot for Christmas? A pony, maybe, but Santa would really be in a bind in this case. Marskell 13:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

"Sonny, we're very sorry, but Bigfoot got loose and ate the Reindeer. Santa got away, but he has decided to retire. We will all have to step up and take Santa's place, and buy presents for each other. Can I count on you, son?" Tom Harrison 13:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Question

Is this sort of thing allowed? Here is the log for that article. Pablo Talk | Contributions 23:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It's generally accepted that people can maintain stuff in userspace that they may be working on. Of course the rules about recreation of deleted content apply, as does 'Misplaced Pages is not a hosting service.' You could take it to MfD if you want. Tom Harrison 14:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. It's nominated for MfD. Pablo Talk | Contributions 01:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

3r rule

Quote "An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time."

It doesn't apply to my reverts... they were not done within 24 hrs... and it goes BOTH ways Abureem 21:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I take it back, I did not notice that it applied even when the material being reverted is different... I'll watch that more closely next time Abureem 21:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Youtube talk on Undercover Mosque

I need to understand your removal reasons Abureem 21:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

After your gracious reply above I restored it for now and left a link on the talk page. Tom Harrison 21:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:V

Thanks for your good work at WP:V. As a non-admin, it would be unwise for me to argue too forcefully. Raymond Arritt 01:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Please don't hesitate to make your case. Almost anyone can say almost anything as long as they are polite and sincere. Tom Harrison 01:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Raymond Arrit, Misplaced Pages's readers would greatly benefit if the voices of citizen-experts were argued more forcefully, and more often.Proabivouac 01:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Tuesday

Looks like I'll be hanging around the computer all day on Tuesday (starting Monday evening) to deal with vandalism and other problems. - Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/July 10, 2007 --Aude (talk) 19:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations(or condolences). It's a good article, and I'll watch it closely. Tom Harrison 12:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Bridge damaged by tanker truck fire

I thought you might be interested in an article about a fatal tanker truck accident near Bloomington, Illinois. It has closed a bridge and limited another to one lane on Interstate 74. Good thing fuel fuel fires can't damage steel or the bridge would have collapsed. Actually, the bridge is closed and it's steel beams look pretty warped in the gallery of images. Maybe those beams were warped by a controlled demolition or something. Article: Two-way traffic on burned I-74 bridge 4-6 weeks away. --Dual Freq 00:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Huh. Maybe special military-grade extra-hot gasoline, with sulfur added? Or maybe it was a truck load of thermite... Tom Harrison 00:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that reminds me of this news item I saw the other day. The tanker crash caused a freeway overpass to collapse, and the ensuing traffic chaos was not a pretty sight. Nobody has (so far) brought thermite into it, but you never know... --John 00:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Interesting; looks like Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center is due for an update. Tom Harrison 00:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Maoist

I noticed a recent edit you made regarding a pejorative link to the Cultural Revolution and the starvation of a large group of people. On two points, the first being that I think they were more reffering to the Naxalites and the maoist groups that inspired them, not of the starvation in particular, which seems to be highlited. The second would be that were are assuming a link that was not specified, and the maoist movement / cultural revolution is pretty broad of an area to jump to any conclusions on. Perhaps for the better we should not make an assumption on the intent at all. If you feel you have to, you may want to consider the sentence was on violent acts and you have connected them more to starvation then that of similar violence by maoist groups. While I am sure many of those acts lead to starvation, the jump seem to insinuate the extreme. The butterfly flapping its wings to start a tornado kinda of statement. --SixOfDiamonds 18:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Huh, I had never even heard of the Naxalites; thanks. You may be right, but they clearly chose to use 'Maoist' instead of the more-neutral 'Mao Zedong Thought'. I think in the west that pejorative sense is primarily understood, and intended, as a reference to the excesses of the great leap forward. Still, other interpretations are possible, as you note. Tom Harrison 18:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Article cleanup

Greetings. I am currently attempting to cleanup the Institut Le Rosey article. I have noticed your past interest in the article and would like your, and others', opinions. On the article's discussion page I have listed several alumni that are not currently listed in the Le Rosey article. There are many reputable sources on the internet that can confirm their attendance, however, because of previous vandalism on the page, it seems important that there be a consensus when adding names to the alumni list. There are other issues that plague the article, such as: no school history, no information on facilities/buildings, and very little information on the curriculum/education. Please visit the article discussion page and share your opinions. Many thanks. -- AJ24 20:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Gareau

You removed a source on the state terrorism article cited to Gareau, and left the summary "per talk." Can you point me to the discussion regarding this. I am not sure if you mixed up who was being discussed, or if I missed where it was being discussed. Thank you. --SixOfDiamonds 21:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

It's under section 2, "Gareau's thesis." Tom Harrison 21:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Its in the "front matter" as Amazon describes it. The Introduction to be precise, Amazon doe snot include the introduction in the version you read online. The quote is:

"WASHINGTON PUBLISHES AN ANNUAL LIST OF GOVERNMENTS THAT IT ALLEGES aid terrorists. Typically, this list contains a majority of governments of Arab states plus Iran, Cuba, and North Korea. This highlights the importance of how terrorism is defined. If state terrorism were included in the definition, Washington would have to include itself in the list"

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I will revert this tomorrow if there are no objections by then. This is why I stated the "search in" feature on Amazon should not be considered a measuring tool of sources. Just so you do not think I am lying you can search for, "If state terrorism were" You can read the quoted passage here --SixOfDiamonds 22:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it, but my point is that isn't what Chomsky is saying. I don't mind mentioning Gareau ("Gareau maintains that..."), but we have to distinguish his position from Chomsky's. Anyway, this probably belongs on the talk page so others can address it. Tom Harrison 23:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Removing covers from album infoboxes

Hi there. When you do changes like this, would you mind not removing the "| Cover =" line entirely, instead just removing the image from the line. Per WP:ALBUM#Code empty fields should not be removed, as keeping them makes it easier to add the information in the future, and keeps the formatting consistent. Thanks in advance.

I will do that from now on. Thanks for letting me know, and sorry for any inconvenience. Tom Harrison 00:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem. --PEJL 00:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:CANVASS edit

Come on Tom. How is this edit "per talk" as you claimed in your edit summary? On the talk page I asked to put in language about e-mails, User:Radiant (who apparently actually works on this guideline page frequently) said I should do that and so I did. Morton objected as did you (though all you did was ask a question, you did not discuss) and MONGO actually said "I don't know how we are going to be able to regulate what people do in emails, but it should be mentioned that it isn't condoned." I see more folks in favor of adding in language about e-mails then against. Also all of us are in a content dispute on an article right now, so presumably none of us should make decisions about this right now (I said I did not want to revert again and I will not, at least until there is further discussion).

Furthermore, in reverting to Morton's version "per talk" you have now changed "unacceptable" to "frowned-upon by many editors" (an extremely significant change) which had literally never been discussed. Please explain your rationale behind this edit, and why you thought it impossible to wait for another (uninvolved) editor or editors to offer their opinion before replacing material that was added after some discussion with material that was not discussed at all. Even though we disagree often, I respect you as an editor and admin, but this seemed like an ill advised decision to me.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 04:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• Of course I did not simply "revert to Morton's version" -
• By "per talk", I mean "per my comment on the talk page," where I question the wisdom of adding "or emails." If others think your addition is a good idea, no doubt they will add it themselves. You seem to take this as some kind of personal affront - I don't mean that at all. You write well, and have made good contributions to the project. I just think it is a bad idea to expand the guideline in a futile attempt to restrict email (and logically telephone and personal contact too.) The best way to address concern about canvassing is to recall "it's not a vote", and understand why it is not.
• I should not change the guideline because I am in a content dispute with you, but your change to the guideline should stand unless removed by a neutral third party? That seems odd. (By the way, I'm not sure you and I are in a content dispute, but the only article I remember we both edit, American terrorism, has its own talk page.)
• Misplaced Pages:Canvassing has its own talk page too. Make a logical case there and people will support your change.

Tom Harrison 12:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I really do not take it as a personal affront, but simply view it as an ill advised edit as I said. Agreed that you did not simply rv to Morton's version as you made additional edits (I should have been more precise), but it remains true--and this was my main point--that you changed "unacceptable" to "frowned-upon by many editors" without any discussion whatsoever. You made no comment on the talk page about changing the wording in that fashion (i.e. it was not "per talk"), and I still don't see the rationale behind this change, which was significant. "Unacceptable" and "frowned upon by many" are obviously quite different--the former wording has apparently existed since late 2006, and had nothing to do with my recent edit.

The difference, as I see it, between my change and yours is that I was careful to ask beforehand on the talk page if it would make sense to add in something about e-mail, and received a resounding yes (including that I should report such behavior on AN/I) from an editor who actually works on that page and participates in discussions on it. Had there been any reluctance whatsoever expressed (I waited for a week) there is no way I would have added it, but there was not. My edit obviously angered Morton (hence his bizarre edit summary accusing me of having a "vendetta," and then of "hating his innards"). Then several editors who have never edited there before nor even discussed the guideline on the talk page (but who, it's undeniable, very often agree with Morton and presumably watch his conspiracy theory noticeboard where--inexplicably, since it has nothing to do with CT articles--Wikipedia_talk:Canvassing#E-mail_canvassing was placed) show up in quick succession, complain about the inclusion of the words "or e-mail", and ultimately those words get removed and the language about the unacceptability of sending mass talk messages is toned down, which has never even been discussed and had nothing to do with my edit. Sorry, but in my opinion, that's a bit bush league. You probably disagree, and I stress I use this term only with respect to the behavior and not the editors themselves, but that's how I see it. It's for that reason that I wanted someone who actually worked on the page to weigh in and still do. If other editors who work on the page agree with your position then so be it, we'll keep the e-mail stuff out. Believe it or not it's actually not a big deal to me, and if no one is interested in commenting on it I'll leave it your way. Finally (and apologies for the lengthy comment) thanks for your compliments about my contributions--I do appreciate that.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 02:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't get angry, I just go for the win.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 05:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

You're right man, Misplaced Pages is all about "winning." But I was actually writing quite specifically to Tom.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 06:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Your input requested

I don't know if anyone ever told you about this discussion. Please read it and indicate your thoughts. :-) Grandmasterka 04:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Advice

Hi Tom,

I have asked a question here , I would be thankful to hear your advices as to how one should proceed in such a situation. Thanks --Aminz 08:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Advice needed at a loss

Im not sure where to turn. User Wafulz as fully protected a page without any talk on the talk page. User Wafulz also at the same time removed a Dispute tag which had been up that user Nescio had removed again with no talk. Im sure user Nescio used some board to get user Wafulz to do it. User Nescio has been in many different Mediations all on Bush pages. He uses differnt boards to bully people into letting him do what he wants. He seems to want to put his POV on these pages. I tried to have good faith but after looking at his record its clear what he is doing. I dont understand why Admin are letteing him do this. http://en.wikipedia.org/Joint_Resolution_to_Authorize_the_Use_of_United_States_Armed_Forces_Against_Iraq GATXER 03:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)