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List of Republics and other articles

Initiated by Nema Fakei at 23:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • PMAnderson
  • Sanchom
  • SimonP
  • WHEELER
  • Work permit
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Negotiation: Talk page participation between WHEELER, Pmanderson (Septentrionalis) SimonP, occasional other comments.

Informal Mediation: Having read through initial negotiation, I hoped to mediate informally and provide constructive suggestions to all sides.

Third Parties: WHEELER requested comment at the Village Pump (the diff shows the page at a state when the discussion was preserved: see the discussion body for the request itself, which was written prior to this diff).

Breaks: This particular round of controversy appears to have taken place immediately *following* a wikibreak on WHEELER's part. Various editors seem to have had intermittent 'cooling off' periods of a few days during this particular dispute.

Statement by Nema Fakei

A content dispute surrounding the definition of the word republic has spread to at least 6 different articles or their talk pages (I give the latter, being the more useful):

I hoped and tried to prevent discussion from turning into a mess of accusations by focusing the debate on content, and by removing or linking crossposts to concentrate the discussion. In particular, I tried to sort out the list criteria for List of republics , specifically by inviting other contributors to propose wording (and offering to do it myself if they didn't want to) . However, structured debate has been abandoned again for less relevant posting.

When I realised my efforts had failed, I asked WHEELER, who seemed to me to be having the most difficulty engaging with content disputes if he had any suggestions as to how to proceed . His response did not suggest any . I have looked over other possible steps that come under the dispute resolution process, but I do not believe there are any more options there that would be worth trying.

The dispute has been characterised by instances breaches of the following policies - or allegations thereof (which I list):

WHEELER in particular has been a frustration, as he has (or claims to have) no interest in editing outside this debate. He objects to the consensus process, so getting him to engage in it at all has been enough struggle without his periodic interjections to state that he's had enough. Time and page-clutter trying to get him back on track distracts from the content negotiations.

I do not ask the arbitrators to rule on content issues, but I will ask them to intervene to end the going-round in circles and in particular the constant incivility and accusations that are blighting the discussion pages. -- Nema Fakei at 23:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by PMAnderson

I began editing Misplaced Pages just as WHEELER was going on a long break over to Wikinfo; so my personal interaction with him has been limited. But my conclusion, from seeing Talk:Banausos/archive_1 and the interminable archives of Talk:Republic is that WHEELER has always been like this, and always will be.

At the same time, I am not convinced that ArbCom can usefully contribute to the situation. His edits represent a narrow and specialized PoV, drawn from two books, one obsolete; they are not consensus, indeed, a tiny minority view, in any of the several fields they touch, and they will be reversed in due course by the consensus of competent editors. His contributions to talk pages are unreadable long paragraphs, full of accusations in capital letters, which can be ignored, like any other single purpose account, of which we have so many.

This is partly because I doubt he has much to contribute; he has a strong PoV, and no Latin whatever, as this edit shows. (iorum is a genitive plural; this belongs in the second or third chapter of a first-year Latin book.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Sanchom

My involvement was solely limited to an attempt to moderate the tone of WHEELER so that others might be able to work with him. I gave direction to comment on content, not other editors, but WHEELER quickly returned to a tone that made him very difficult to collaborate with. I explained this to him in this diff, to which he responded with a comment demanding ridicule for effeminate editors and characterizations of other editors as not being virtuous and not loving truth. At this point, I considered the best route would be to ignore the situation until WHEELER changed his behaviour such that I would be able to be of help. I left him with some final comments as points for improvement: at his talk page. Since then (20 June 2007), I have been out of touch with this situation. I would support an arbitration case solely on my interaction with this user. He has displayed a lack of assumption of good faith, civility, respect for talk page guidelines, and respect for other editors. I believe he would have much to contribute if he learned to work with the community instead of creating such an adversarial atmosphere. Sancho 00:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by SimonP

Statement by WHEELER

Since this long and involved I will have to wait to Saturday when I have some time to make up my statement.WHEELER 01:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Work Permit

Comment by uninvolved Newyorkbrad

User:WHEELER is a consistently uncivil and tendentious editor with a lengthy history of disruption. Even a quick scan of his current talkpage unfolds an appalling display of abusive name-calling spewed in all directions. It appears that WHEELER has been carrying on with the same unacceptable pattern of behavior for years now, and frankly should have been dealt with much sooner.

The question for the arbitrators to answer here is not whether WHEELER can be allowed to continue editing as he has been, but whether a full-fledged arbitration case is required to address this situation or whether a quicker resolution can be found. Newyorkbrad 01:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Catalonia and Valencian Community

Initiated by Physchim62 (talk) at 16:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • Casaforra:
  • Dúnadan:
  • Toniher:
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

also several hundred kilobytes of talk page archives

Statement by Physchim62

Since at least February 2007, Catalonia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Valencian Community (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and various related articles have been the scene of serious edit-warring. I feel that the users above are the "main culprits": they act as a group, and there are strong suspicions of sock puppetry concerning at least some of them.

The modus operandi is fairly classic in such cases. The said users attempt to revert certain edits which cite reliable sources but which do not conform to their point of view. They themselves are less than able to provide reliable sources for their assertions, or sometimes even to remain civil. The result is edit warring, talk-page diarrhea and a paralysis of constructive editing.

A Request for Mediation relating to Valencian Community failed because of the refusal of the concerned parties to participate. I am bringing the case to Arbitration because of the shear length of disruption, and because of new indications of disruptive sock puppetry which, if confirmed (as far as these things can be), would cover the much of this six-month period. As such, I feel that a case can be made on the basis of user conduct rather than on that of article content.

Statement by Maurice27

I agree with this request. Each change or edit even if proven with legal and/or graphic sources has to be discussed, sometimes even for weeks, on talk-pages. --Maurice27 16:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

  • In partial reply to Casaforra and Dunadan below: May you be reminded that this is a request for arbitration on 2 articles and not a judgement against my person? Neither Physchim's, Mountolive's or myself's statements have reduced explanations to a single user level like you both are doing. You are asked to take that matter to WP:AN if you wish.
  • Continuous addition of discussion by the involved users in a page where it says "This is not a page for discussion", clearly shows how this users are only working together to make their point stand over the others, no matter what it takes. Neither Physchim, Mountolive, Boynamadsue or myself are doing so. --Maurice27 18:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Casaforra

If a Request for Arbitration happens, then please include all the users involved in the edition of those articles. That is (inalphabetical order): Boynamedsue, Maurice27, Mountolive, and the proposer Physchim62. I don't know if a blocked user could also take part, Benimerin.

As for me, I should say I'm only editing on the Talk page of the Valencian Community, I haven't ever edited in the article or the talk page of Catalonia.

But, please, go on, and read the archived talk pages as well. Psychim62 was very prompt to block indefinitely two anon IPS and one new user (Benimerin), but has done nothing regarding a very disruptive and incivil user, Maurice27.

I don't know where to sign but I fully agree that, once for all, somebody setles peace and gets some heavy consensus. I'll stand for whatever arbiters say. --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 16:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

In reply to Maurice27: The main problem on both pages Physchim62 noted is you, Maurice27. Just take a look at these articles:
* Andorra, Antoni Gaudí or Northern Catalonia: Diarrhea talk pages plenty of trollings (by you) and insults (by you) with your lack of sense to reach any consensus that doesn't fit your POV.
* And compare them with the way two different POVed users (Mountolive and me) resolve differences: Valencian Nationalist Bloc or Valencian pilota.
I could name many more examples where your posts begin a war-edit because of your bad behaviour.
We all have proved that we can debate with different sources, arguments and reasonings, you haven't. You only disrupt by lying (I never edited in the Catalonia article as you claim ), crying aloud , laughing at others , trolling or insulting . It's you who, in last term, is causing all this.
--Casaforra (parlem-ne) 15:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Mountolive

I definitely agree to this. The medical symptoms couldn't be explained better by Physchim62: talk page diarrhea. Talk pages haven't proved effective at all in those articles.

Me personally I have been mostly out of these articles for a few months now. Actually, these very articles are responsible for having quite disengaged me from wikipedia. It would feel nice if we got a solution good for everybody who is there in good faith and this is, I guess, one more last opportunity, for I think that Casaforra is mainly in good faith (even though the fact that he is calling now that major vandal called Benimerin to be revived is really puzzling). I don't know how he's been acting recently, but Toniher has proved to me once or twice in the past that he can also be agreeable and in good faith. Thus, I guess there is a chance.

So, yes, you can count on me for this...if it is going to be different than those talk pages mentioned, of course.

Mountolive

Statement by Dúnadan

The situation at the aforementioned talk pages wouldn't have been as drastic as to request for arbitration if the administrator involved (User:Physchim62) had not only acted promptly, but fairly. I agree with Casaforra, Physchim62 has blatantly ignored the repeated insults, swearing, ad hominem attacks and disruptive behavior of other users. In fact User:Maurice27 had to be blocked, first temporarily, and then permanently, by another administrator, because of his disruptive behavior, and yet he was unblocked again.

Phychim62 permanently blocked a new user (eventually shown to be innocent) whose POV he personally opposes, by assigning him a purported puppeteer without solid evidence, and without a fair "trial" (no case was opened at WP:SSP). When confronted and asked to open a fair investigation to confirm the identity of the purported sock puppet, or to prove his innocence, Physchim62 said that this sock-puppetry case was "evident" and ultimately responded that "it is none of your business".

His sympathy for the POV of the disruptive editors involved has been evident, not only by condoning their lack of etiquette and disruptive behavior, but also by naming in this request for arbitration only those users who disagree with his POV (Toniher, Casaforra and myself), but not those who happen to agree with his particular POV (Mountolive, Boynamedsue and Maurice27), some of which have resorted to direct insults, article ownership, sarcasm and extremely disruptive behavior. I find it astonishing, and hypocritical, as the Arbitration Committee probably will, that the administrator Physchim62 names as "culprits" three users who have never engaged in 3RR violations and who have never resorted to insults (unlike Maurice27); in fact, none of us have been blocked for disruptive behavior or for violating WP:3RR. It is even interesting (and eye-opening) to note that even User:Boynamedsue's first impression was to say that this request of arbitration was most probably caused by Maurice27's disruptive behavior, not by us.

Physchim62 claims that we act as a group, yet six users (the three users he "groups", plus User:Xtv, User:Joan sense nick and User:GillesV), after debating peacefully, and disagreeing on many issues, agreed on a consensual version for Catalonia. After User:Maurice27 was unblocked (or forgiven from his permanent blockage), he contended, yet again, the consensual version, and starting a new edit war. Yet, Physchim62, sympathetic with Maurice27's POV claims that it is us who act disruptively.

Arbitration is needed for the following reasons:

  • Users diregard WP:Verifiability, WP:CITE and WP:NPOV, even claiming that the constitution of Spain and the Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia are not unbiased sources (and therefore, should not be used). The first user repeatedly engaged in WP:3RR. He constantly challenges the consensus of other users (in Catalonia) who provide sources, and resorts to demagogy to disqualify reputable sources such as the aforementioned legal documents and Britannica.
  • A review of the use of the administrative privileges of User:Physchim62 who, being sympathetic with a POV has opened this ludicrous accusation, castigated and permanently blocked an innocent user while blatantly ignored, even when asked to do something, the disruptive behavior of those users with whom he agrees.
  • All users, therefore, should be added to this request for arbitration, not only one party. Please add User:Maurice27, User:Mountolive, User:Boynamedsue (those with whom Physchim62 is sympathetic) as well as other users who, like Toniher, Casaforra and myself, have helped build a consensus and participated peacefully: User:GillesV, User:Xtv, and User:Joan sense nick.

--the Dúnadan 01:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC) --the Dúnadan 01:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Now that I read your statement, I notice you are also saying that I disregard WP:Verifiability, WP:CITE and WP:NPOV and, also, seems that I even claimed that the constitution of Spain and the Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia are not unbiased sources.
This is not probably the right place to make it, but I would appreciate it if you could prove to me in my talk page that I did that and said so. If I did, please accept my apologies beforehand for asking you to prove it. Otherwise, I will be willing to accept your excuses.
Mountolive
I do apologize, I had edited this section over a dozen times see history), until I realized that this is not the place to provide evidence, but to support the request for arbitration, so I restructured and summarized the above points. From the edits, your name was left in there by mistake. From Talk:Catalonia, there is no evidence to suggest that you said so. Again, I apologize. --the Dúnadan 22:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Boynamedsue

Will appear here.

Boynamedsue 12:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, Dunadan, the link you have posted does not support the conclusions you have drawn from it. I was unsure as to why the mediation had been requested, but had not assumed Maurice27 was the person being investigated.

I don't want to get into a bitch fight here, and I am still unsure what the specific charges against Toniher, Dunadan and Casaforra are. I am aware that Cas and Dun are excellent contributors on a range of non-Catalan and/or less political topics. I would suggest that they aren't deliberately breaking any Wiki policies, but that they are people with very strong political convictions who often unconsciously fall into double-think. I think that their narrow focus on stressing the exceptionality of Catalonia and cultural unity of Catalan-speaking territories has acted to the detriment of these articles, which after their edits can often read as missionary tracts.

I feel that they sometimes also selectively misunderstand arguments in discussions, and use sources that have no validity.That a government legislates that something is true, citing the example Dunadan quoted, does not make it in any objective sense, true. At one point I was arguing that the fact that Catalonia is defined as a "nationality" (not a "nation", a nationality) in its statute does not make that either true or encyclopedic, and should therefore be reported as opinion not fact. One can't simply keep posting "Catalonia is a nationality" citing the statute, without answering the core of my argument, as was done at the time.

However, I don't see that any action can or should be taken on these pages, it is a free web, and anyone has the right to write what they please. The users are biased but in the main well-meaning

I feel that these articles are damaged by the narrow focus of the contributors (myself included) on minutae, but I strongly believe that wikipedia must not become a trojan horse for a political viewpoint to insinuate itself into English language discourse, particularly when it is one that has such disregard for objective reality.

Boynamedsue 15:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Amen to that. Mountolive.-
The problem is that you are defining objective reality and ascribing it to a particular point of view. You say that the Spanish constitution cannot be the objective reality (i.e. "truth"). And, like I said in Talk:Catalonia, maybe you are right, maybe, just maybe there are no "nationalities" within Spain. But, like I said in Talk:Catatonia, by WP:Verifiability (please read it), the threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is not truth (or, as you aptly put it: objective reality, or our perception of what "truth" is) but verifiability. By demagogy you might argue that that neither the constitution nor the Statute of Autonomy (being primary sources) are not encyclopedic. But, it really doesn't matter what we think truth is, but what can be verified. And Catalonia is defined as a nationality by two verifiable primary sources. That is why I argue that you are disregarding WP:Verifiability. I have no political opinion whatsoever: I am not even Catalan. I read what the constitution says, and I report it. Simple. --the Dúnadan 22:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you really not understand what I'm saying Dunadan? A government can legislate and we can report what they have legislated. Which of these goes better in an Encyclopedia

"All Americans have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

OR

"According to the constitution, all Americans havew the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Boynamedsue 08:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Point taken. That is why the consensual version proposed by Joan sense nick, avoided the term from the lead paragraph, and contextualized it in the lead section by literally citing, in quotation marks, and referencing, what the Statute of Autonomy says. (I think you were absent during that time; I am not sure). However, this consensus was, yet again, contested for being "inaccurate" and "biased". --the Dúnadan 11:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool, that was more or less what we were working on a few days ago. It wasn't contested by me, I just think it needs extending.

Boynamedsue 11:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Xtv

As an involved part in all those talk pages, I am quite surprised of the selection of the involved parties made by Physchim62. Let me then please take part of this discussion.

First of all, I was astonished to read Physchim62 arguments. It seemed he was talking about other articles, other users...

He starts accusing to act as a group, which is completely false, since we have also different opinions in many aspects as it can be seen in many discussions (here and in the Catalan Misplaced Pages). However, it is normal that we have a similar opinion relating to evident, trivial, clear facts.

Then he accuses of deleting sentences with reliable sources and adding other sentences without sources. Well, it puzzles me to hear it from somebody who doubts that Catalan and Valencian are the very same language. It's ironic he defends exactly the ones who give wrong sources and attack who defend versions with consensus. Let's remark that 4 administrators of the Catalan Misplaced Pages have been involved in those discussions, respected in ca-wiki without any significant dispute and with a clean block log. In the other side, there are people as Mountolive, with whom it has been possible to discuss and find a consensus in some quite problematic points as the aforementioned Catalan/Valencian, but some other with a rich block log who unilaterally have modified exactly those consensual points.

This all together with his multiple false accusations of sockpuppetry and his premature block of users (just because someone shares some opinions with a vandal), makes me doubt about his administrator aptitudes.

How can somebody accuse and request a checkuser for a respected user as Dúnadan of culprit and sockpuppetry and forget to mention Maurice27, with 5 blocks for personal attacking, trolling, 3RR, etc. (and continuing even after the last block)? -and this is not a judgment against him, it's just an evidence that the request has been incomplete and POVish.

Therefore, I don't simply ask for an arbitration, but I beg it. --Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 17:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by GillesV

I'm only editing on the Talk page of Catalonia and I don't understand a request including Dúnadan who usually is contributing with sources that are WP:Verifiability, WP:CITE and WP:NPOV (laws approved by both parlamients of Spain and Catalonia by an ample majority are not NPOV?) and that usually tries to reach a compromise with other editors.

Moreover I look at the page Misplaced Pages:Resolving_disputes and I don't feel that the administrator making this proposal followed that way at least in Catalonia. In Catalonia there has been no mediation and Physchim62 has not contributed in the talk page since 1 of june of 2007 so I think he is ignoring the "First step: Talk to the other parties involved".

About the proposal I don't understand why some users are in and others are out: if one includes Dúnadan then it should also include Maurice, BNS, Montoulive, Joan sense nick, Xtv, me , etc etc because the situation is not created only by 3 users.

In fact at Catalonia's talk page I remember a discussion between Dúnadan and me saying that we should reach reach a new consensus because the rough consensus reached by a minor group of users that included Dúnadan,Xtv, me and the same Physchim62 was not agreed by another group of users (I think that Maurice and two anons...)

seeing then a request for an Arbitration for Catalonia by Physchim62 after ignoring that point in the discussion page is confusing me -> after reading that I understand what happened with user:Dúnadan ,seems that users cannot ask to admin Physchim62 what he says that is "his business". --GillesV 22:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the situation in Valencian Community but if there the situation is different then the proposal should be at least splitted but Physchim62 I think that excluding the opinion (probably backed with sources) of some editors seems not to be the smartest way to include all the points of view. In fact I think it is near to an abuse.

PD:sorry, but seeing Maurice saying : I agree with this request. Each change or edit even if proven with legal and/or graphic sources has to be discussed, sometimes even for weeks, on talk-pages. --Maurice27 16:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC) is simply awesome :) is this irony?

--GillesV 20:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

PD2:In Catalonia there has been no mediation because some users pronnounced (mainly Maurice in his talk page) that they will not sign it. In case of an arbitration I think that it should include more users and probably exclude the ones who are reasonable and support with sources their opinion.

PD3:I see in the policy that arbitration is the last resort, in Catalonia I feel that we can try a mediation first but I think that during the last days BNS, Dúnadan and me were trying to build a new compromise...and I think it was working.

--GillesV 20:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Benimerin (formerly User:Joanot)

It will be expressed here soon. --Benimerin - كُنْ ذكورا إذا كُنْت كذوب - 13:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (2/0/0/0)

Rotary International

Initiated by User:PierreLarcin at 07:40 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Talk page

Statement by User:PierreLarcin

I would be happy to have until Saturday to enhance the form and documentation of my request. User Bombastus has committed the same edit war and declined mediation in the same time on the fr.wiki, I have also asked there for an Arbitration, I need some days to document & form both request. Thank you Pierre 14:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


On the context of my request :

By this claim, I want contribute to stop the 'conservative or rotarian fiddling' on the Rotary wiki. It is a difficult claim, as the field of Arbitration is our en.wiki, while Rotary works worldwide, and, in each nation, Rotary clubs work actively in each langage. But be sure that en.wiki is central for wikipedians, as for Rotarians, who pay interest into Rotary wiki page : experimented users often compare langage versions, for exemple their national version and the English version.

More, Rotary is based on Chicago, and should have 1 million members, and these by common sense should be wealthy, cultivated (alumni), having a cable connection, and certainly active on Internet. Common sense, you and me, know that Rotary is a closed club, recruiting on cooptation, and Rotary publish his own information about Rotary. So, recruitment is for them important, and public image also.

This single point is of full interest for Wikipedians : Rotary wiki say in all langages there is 1.2 millions members, but who can verify that information  ? Who placed that on en.wiki ? Well, probably a Rotarian, for two reasons : accessibility of that information, and for the fact that Rotary sites acts the fact that their recruitment declines.(That's why for example Rotarians try to recruit the pupils who went through their scholarship programs) The problem is that we do not know who is a Rotarian editing the Rotary wiki, who is not. There is no obligation to say on wiki what are your values, except honesty, or some scientific approach, as Max Weber preconised before working social sciences subjects.

On wiki we have only one (honest) Rotarian-declared wikipedian, CeeGee, who worked on Rotary wiki, whose nation is obviously Turkey and works in the military area. CeeGee works on en.wiki on Rotary. Please note that Template:U: never translated the Rotary wiki into Turkish langage, and please note that he never edited again the Rotary wiki in a polemic way (blanking issues) after since I had edit war on Rotary wiki with other users like BridesMill or AndyJones.

Bombastus worked recently the Rotary page, where he began an edit war on text having reached an e against me on on en.wiki, and fr.wiki, simultaneously. He presents himself a declared conservative activist, but ONLY on en.wiki. He blanks a list of notable speakers who gave conferences or speeches at Rotary clubs, or changes the meaning of textes having reached a balance, like the structure itself.

I created a wiki userid when I saw that Rotary built in the different langage versions the same structure of "positive" presentation about the Rotary clubs. At these times, I created "criticism" subsections : "criticism on the Polio program", "criticisms on the women segregation until 1978", etc. That structure has been exploded by BridesMill and AndyJones, and the text, specially about women, has been "positived" in the same way. The fact is a Supreme Court confirmation of a Californian conviction of segregation, it is now "an evolution of the Rotary Clubs".

User Bombastus came very recently on en.wikipedia.org, in june. He worked about only on Rotary, and only to revert the negative facts I collected. He proceeds an edit war on both wikis about Rotary International, at the present time on en.wiki and on fr.wiki. On French wiki, he systematically marked the IPs that I use to make a clean wiki and collects as an argument that I am against Jews, homosexuals and freemasons, in a short way a real nazi. 


Despite I am an opponent of the Rotary as an international pilar of the most conservative right politicians, namely a public relation office, I never, NEVER, blanked any "positive" facts about the Rotary. I had to fight severe edit wars by declared Rotarian CeeGee, or users AndyJones, JohnSmith or Bridesmill, all users that I find, by their centers of interests, close to the Rotary, namely non self declared Rotarians. AndyJones is a clear example : he lives by Shakespeare festival location, edits frequently on Shakespeare, and the UK Rotary is a sponsor of that festival. So the context of my claim is the use of wiki as a showroom, a public relations page, for the Rotary, and POV-oriented "never negatively" by Rotarians, declared or non-declared.

Another example was the severe fight of BridesMill about the presence of Pinochet in the list of members. This list was blanked several times in en.wiki. It has been also blanked in es.wiki or fr.wiki : they do not allow mentions of the president-dictator Pinochet, or the antisemistic Lindbergh as HONORARY Rotarians.

The central problem  : having listings on wiki The base problem of the edit war done by Bombastus is this simple point : "may we, or may we not, have or begin a list of famous lecturers at the Rotary clubs, while unsaid "famous" criterium for listing a lecturer is "having its own wiki". For me, yes, as it is open. Yes, at is collect facts.


The backbone point is thus WIKIPEDIA FIDDLING on Rotary International wiki done by Rotarians or conservative activists, blanking negative points.

ON MY SO CALLED ANTISEMITISM argued hereunder : well, again an insult. My family numbers one "Just among the Nations" for hiding a Jew and resisting against nazies during WWII. In France, I have often fought nazi and antisemist on many blogs. I am myself a member of an antinazi league. I have often publicly condemned right-extremists Jews, as the "Betar" movement, who commits agressions and support the segregation regime in Israel. I think all this resumes a bit my defense of HumanRight. The hereunder insult is done to discredit my claim.

ON USER BOMBASTUS The meaning of "republican" is different between French and Englich cultures, and the meaning of "liberal" also. Liberal means "politically progressive" in English, in English I want to underline the fact that Bombastus, on his en.wiki presentation page ONLY, present himself as a right activist ("liberal" : in France, it is the right side of the Parliament. Strict Tories in a way) He does NOT do the same on the fr.wiki, where "laïc" republican meaning of "liberal" is a meaning of "strong right' activist". The differences between the pages is obvious, and to my opinion, it is intended to seduce "republican"-french way views. This is a clue for me that Bombastus tries to influence people on his POV action on wikipedia by hiding or masking his opinions.

Bombastus blanked at repeated times the inputs of - a list of famous speakers giving allocutions to Rotary - the fact that Rotary went at repeated times to the nazi party court to proof its compatibility with the NSDAP doctrine. - the fact that Rotarians are active on Internet and not always declare themselves when acting on Misplaced Pages, which include wiki on Rotary International

Bombastus destroys the collection of facts that I buill, despite the fact that these inputs are open, sourced and discussed. He does not care that this list is open, that these speakers (allowed by Rotary to give allocution) to its members are famous as having their own wikis, or deserve to have they own wikis. Of course, the point is that allowing such speeches, evidently, shows a convergence between their values and the values of the Rotary International.

This seems to be done by Bombastus as he defines himself as "a liberal" (which means in France to be a strong conservative...as Alain Madelin, an old extreme-right "Occident" activists, who as a wiki where Bombastus edited), is thus a conservative, and as the fact as this list mentions and can only mention conservative personalities. The purpose of Bombastus, by blanking this list, seems thus to hide that the Rotary International supports conservative politicians and personalities by its public relations activities.

As a fact, I mention that when I arrived on wiki, I found different versions of wiki about Rotary who were always the same or about the same, obviously built or initiated by Rotarians (see es.wiki about RI and the other contributions of the initiating user of that es.wiki), showing same structure and icons as the actual indonesian wiki. You can still find traces of that common structure on Indonesian wiki and Esperanto wiki of the Rotary, with common phrases and pivs. I had difficulties to bring non-admitted facts as the public relation support given byRI to Lindbergh, an antisemistic personality, to the NSDAP nazi party between 1934 and 1937, and the support given to Pinochet named by Rotary an "Honorary Rotarian". An edit war conducted by declared Rotarian users as CeeGee, or eventually non-declared Rotarians consumed my contributing time. I state that AFTER my edits on wiki about "Famous Rotarians", documented by links on wiki pointing to "FamousRotarians" Rotarian site, Rotary CHANGED his site "Famous Rotarians", distinguishing Famous Rotarians between Active and Honorary, and burying Pinochet and Lindbergh in deeper pages accessible throught little-font links.

I find self-speaking the recent blankings of Bombastus about the REPEATED Rotarian actions done between 1934 and 1937 (established by researcher d'Almeida), the fact that Bombastus changed my "d'Almeida writes" into his "d'Almeida claims" , the Bombastus blanked in the section "Rotarian internet activism" the very probable activity of Rotarians (4 millions worldwide) on Misplaced Pages and the fact that they are maybe active on this onlyne encyclopedia project without declaring themselves as Rotarians (except user CeeGee), which is certainly allowed, but IF they "only positively" contribute to the Rotary wiki, is a POV attempt to fiddle on Misplaced Pages.

That why I think that the simple blanking of simple facts, even but only blanking negative aspects of the Rotary, by Bombastus, should be convicted and blamed.

I have difficulties to see. I hope my request is properly formed in the forms. For the forms only, I would appreciate some administrator's help, as the ergonomy is difficult for me, and I will come in 2 or 3 passes to enhance my arguments and presentation.

In a few words, I'll resume that : the point is to know if I may begin a list of known speakers allowed to speak in Rotary, with as criterium "known" the fact to have a wiki. Bombastus says that the list I began and let open is POV and full of "bad" people (In a way as bad should be in my mind "to be politically conservative"). This is fake as I put "Davidovits" and "Louis Michel", who are famous and brought active and interesting points in social life. Bombastus is POV as he forgot to mention that I never blanked opposite opinions, as he did himself in a real edit war (more than three reverts)? Bombastus oppose me a group of people who blanked only "negative" points, as BridesMill, AndyJones, or CeeGee. These people does have an interest in the Rotary image, as I do. The fact that they hide the reason of they interest (AndyJones refused to answer to that question) (Bombastus hides on en.wiki that he is a conservative activist, as he mentions on the fr.wiki), that they never allow opposite (negative) views or facts shows that they are POV, it is self-speaking.

I have the right to mention the fact of these speakers allowed to develop their views at the Rotary Clubs. Allowing such speakers is obviously a mark of support given by Rotary Clubs. We do not have to make "a full" list of speakers, including unknown John Georges of Jamestown or unknown Mary Jane of Elisabethville. Rotarians have already showed their capacity to "bury" dictator Pinochet, racist Senator Jesse Helms and antisemistic Charles Lindbergh in the depths of THEIR "Famous Rotarians" site. They also "flooded" these names in a "full" list of "Honorary Rotarians".

About that "full" list of Honorary Rotarians, I may mention that AndyJones and BridesMill milited actively in a way to class that in an alphabetical order, which allows Pinochet to be buried also. It is an idea that I didn't fight, but the effect is indeed to hide Pinochet.

About the list, I want to mention that Bombastus systematically hide mentions of "conservative" in about the politicians in the list, so pupils or scholars may not remark that there at Rotary just ONE profile of politicians supported by Rotary club. Strange for an "open" club ! Strange to blank !

For the Rotary and for conservative activists, the interest of blanking "negative" facts on Wiki is this : 1/ Rotary clubs go frequently into schools. 2/ Misplaced Pages is VERY consulted by scholars and pupils 3/ Rotary in different phases shown his support to conservative actors of social life 4/ Rotary has to face a crisis in its recruitment (see their sites and also built of "Rotary e-Clubs") 5/ Rotary (see "right activists" on the discuss page) members actively work ONLY in conservative political party, in France 6/ Bombastus is a conservative activist, working POV on fr.wiki and en.wiki at the same time 7/ Rotary, this can be seen on their sites, tries to recruit among the young people who previously passed into their "scholarship" programs to recruit new members 8/ Rotary uses wiki as a showroom to smooth its public image 9/ Rotarians and conservative activist blank "negative" points on RI wiki, for POV reasons.

We need to show to these people that we are actively defending our neutrality, plurality of POV, and, if the Rotary MAY be a public relations office, we on Misplaced Pages are NOT a PR office.

Thank you for your patience on my poor English, and enforcing the respect of our community principles

On the facts:

Bombastus committed a real edit war, on the Rotarian speakers list, and onto the REPEATED actions of Rotary to show its compliancy to NSDAP nazy party objectives, between 1934 and 1937. He refused conciliation and insulted me at numerous times. He oriented POV the a very neutral view of a very high-class researcher, Mr d'Almeida, by changing "d'Almeida writes" into "d'Almeida claims".

As some agreement has been established for monthes on Rotary wiki, Bombastus justifies his edit war that the list that I built is POV as full of some "criminals", which is untrue. First, I placed all known personalities (having a wiki or deserving to have a wiki, as a Belgian personality) in the list. Second, Ron Hubbard, as far as I know, is not a criminal. Third, this list is open. I just removed the "Bruno Bernard" repetitive mention. This guy is ALSO a belgian, sharing its time between Rotary Belgium and Rotary Moldavia. Maybe some administrator may check an eventual coincidence between the IP who placed unknown Bruno Bernard in the list , and the IPs used by Bombastus. I do not know : maybe. The activity, development, and concurrent edit wars of Bombastus, simultaneously on both wikis, only on Rotary, seems not to be random.

Bombastus exceed the limits of wikipedia as he increases the load of administrative work. This blocks research on subjects and valuable editing of wiki.


Pierre 08:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Bombastus

Mediation request by PierreLarcin has already been rejected for "Insufficient discussion and prior dispute resolution" by the same PierreLarcin. Indeed, despite my several messages on the talk page, I'm still waiting for any logical argument advocating the changes made by PierreLarcin. I also add that the same PierreLarcin already faced in 2006 the same logical arguments I stated and never gave any answers to them.

You can read the Talk:Rotary International page to get a good opinion of the user and see that already several experienced users as User:AndyJones, User:J.smith, User:Bridesmill, User:Aldux, User:SuperNova, User:Jkelly or User:CeeGee.

Here is an excerpt from PierreLarcin's rethorics "Of course you fiddle ! and you will be kicked out of wiki. You bet I spoke of arbitration as for a joke. You and Rotarians are in the error. As you are in error when you defend the most conservative and criminal politicians in the world : Bush and Pinochet. For freemasonry reasons and for money reasons. This can not continue. PierreLarcin 84.102.229.40 07:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)".

Logically, I will lose no time here on an arbitration that can bring nothing, as it brought nothing on French WP except 5 bans for PierreLarcin: a three days, then a one week, then a two weeks, then a one month, then a three months ban on all the IP adresses he used. He has also been blocked on WP NL for POV pushing. The only viable solution with this user is a life ban, I'm sorry to say it.

Edit: Given the persistant attitude of PierreLarcin, I eventually accept the idea of an arbitrage if it may change. Being mostly an user of French WP (I only used IP here till June), here is a link to my Userpage, Talk page and Contributions plus Blocklog on WP FR. --Bombastus 07:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  1. Who declared on the talk page "A partial list of "conference-makers" is inappropriate for this article. Partial lists suffer from "selection bias" and are potentially POV. However a complete list of "Rotary International conference-makers" would likely be acceptable. ---J.S (t|c) 01:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)"
  2. Who declared "To User:PierreLarcin2: It seems that you are mistaking Misplaced Pages for a place for your own hatred against Rotary. Even though it may be possible that some people, who have been once elected honorary member to Rotary, have no clean slate, the right place is in his own biography and not the article Rotary. So, I will delete now once again the part you added on 23:43, February 12, 2006. This is to inform you that in case of your repeated action I will report you to a sysop. CeeGee 19:45, 14 February 2006 (UTC)"

Statement by User:AndyJones

I have to confess that I long ago lost patience with Pierre Larcin's bizarre edits to the Rotary International page, his repeated failure to assume good faith, his constant charges of "wiki-fiddling" (whatever that may be) and the weird strange accusation against me personally that I am "pro-Rotary" (supported above on the grounds that I'm interested in Shakespeare (!)). I've copied below the analysis I made of Pierre's behaviour (for AN/I) in June 2006:

I think an admin needs to review the behaviour of User:PierreLarcin2 and his IPs in relation to the edit war on Rotary International, and consider a block. Incidentally, since I started reviewing this, I see the user I'm complaining about has put in an RfC and claims to intend to start an arbitration. If true, I'd suggest that any block should permit him to pursue those, even if (as I'd recommend) he cannot edit at Rotary International for a time. A review of his behaviour took me far longer than I'd expected, but can be summarised as follows: POV editing: . Illiterate editing: . Just plain weird editing: . Advocating POV: (especially the motherfucker comment). Failure to assume good faith: . Breaches of the no personal attacks policy and civility policy: . Accusations that editors who change his edits are Rotarians engaged in a conspiracy against criticisms of Rotary: . Wikilawyering, and accusations of "wiki-fiddling", whatever that may be: . Evidence User:PierreLarcin2 and 84.100.98... IPs are one and the same (about halfway down):. Evidence User:PierreLarcin2 and 84.102.229... IPs are one and the same: . Evidence of trying the patience of the community: . An odd piece of duplicity was the argument that these strange "how to use the links"-links were there to assist blind users, which led me in good faith and (in consultation with User:127) to initiate Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#Accessibility for blind users] (now fallen out of archive). In fact, these edits, and a few around them, make clear the actual intention was to give prominence to "bad" Rotarians like Pinochet and Hubbard. On the whole, I think the guy needs a lengthy block: he's disruptive, he's uncivil, he angers and attacks people, he adds bullshit to wikipedia, and he just fundamentally doesn't get it: but it's a shame: he seems kinda genuine in his own beliefs. AndyJones 22:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The current edit war is exceedingly odd: Loads of 3RR, not much substance. I've previously recommended a block, and I think that may be the only way to achieve a sensible Rotary page. AndyJones 18:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by User:CeeGee

Invited by User:Bombastus to contribute to this case, I would like to say only that I am really tired of reading the ill-founded accusations of User:PierreLarcin2 about Rotary International, and I have really not so much time to waste on this as he obviously has. I belive that a scientific analyse of his sayings would contribute much to the knowledge of mankind. CeeGee 19:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by non-involved Ghirla

I see no evidence of a serious attempt undertaken to resolve this mundane content dispute. The talk page, to which the request refers, displays two or three threads of lengthy quotations and slow-tempo bickering. I may readily name several dozen pages where the disputes are ongoing on this level of urgency. If there is a behavioural problem, something along the lines of RfC or mediation should be attempted before dragging the issue to ArbCom. --Ghirla 14:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by User:Bradipus

Although I am not involved in the present dispute, I am currently involved in a similar dispute on the french Misplaced Pages (fr:Rotary International), in the context of which Pierre Larcin made a RfA vs Bombastus and myself. Similarly to what happens on Rotary International (as Ghirla notes above), no serious attempt to discuss has happened on WP:fr either. The reactions of Pierre Larcin to any critic of his input range from the insults to the weird accusations: his opponents can only be rotarians or right-wing activists...or worse: this message on the talk page of Ordifana75 (on the hebrew Misplaced Pages) is interesting, as he refers to me as a "jew from the conservative liberal party of Brussels", and adds that he hopes Ordifana75 is not Bradipus, as, says Pierre Larcin "I hate communautarist jews : they are generally potential murderers". This antisemitic stance seems to be an isolated event in Pierre Larcin's carreer on Misplaced Pages (except for a message on my fr:Talk page where he refers to the murders committed by the "jewish army"), but it is for me typical of his approach of the issues. Bradipus 20:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

A quick note in reply to PierreLarcin who says I insult him by saying he is an antisemit. Well, I did not say that, and I am sorry if PierreLarcin felt it that way. As a matter of fact, I have no idea whether he is or not, but he is probably completely honest when he is adamant that he is not.
I just quoted a message from PierreLarcin that contains an antisemitic message. The fact that this message was antisemitic does not really need further explanations ("I hate communautarist jews : they are generally potential murderers"). The fact that PierreLarcin appears to think it was a reasonnable way to express his concerns about certain right wing jewish movements is in a way typical of the way he interacts with others. Bradipus 16:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Boris Stomakhin

Initiated by Diez2 at 04:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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Statement by Biophys

First, I would like to apologize for inability to resolve this problem. Please see: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation/Boris_Stomakhin#Biophys. This case (if taken for arbitration) has very little to do with article Boris Stomakhin. As Daniel said, "This RfM, which initially started out as a content dispute, has become a conduct dispute". The initial RfC was filed by User:Colchicum in February. See Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Vlad_fedorov. The RfC was about alleged wikistalking of Colhicum and me by User:Vlad fedorov. This conflict involves at least 20 articles that I created or extensively edited, and perhaps many other articles and other users. See Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation/Boris_Stomakhin#Articles_involved. I proposed to "stay out of each other's edits" , but Vlad refused.

I must admit the following: (1) I alleged that Vlad's deletions of sourced text in more than 20 articles is "vandalism"; (2) I alleged that Vlad's edits in numerous articles were made with purpose to disturb my work and therefore qualify as "wikistalking"; (3) I did RR warring with Vlad on numerous occasions when he deleted well sourced texts from articles. Vlad calls this my wording uncivil. Let's simply reconstruct the sequence of events.

1. We had a content dispute over article Boris Stomakhin. I objected certain WP:BLP violations and insisted that words "Kill, kill, kill!" have no place in WP, because they are taken from an unreliable web site of a "revolutionary organization" and make offensive claims with regard to a third party (Russian population). I tried to convince Vlad at talk page but could not (this is my most recent attempt: , I omit many previous attempts to negotiate). Vlad reported me for alleged 3RR violation, but I was commended by an uninvolved administrator for enforcing WP:BLP policy . Vlad continued RR warring and was blocked by another uninvolved administrator.

2. Vlad evaded his block but blamed both uninvolved administrators of unfair treatment (see reply ). Then he went to WP:ANI and claimed that I incite ethnic hatred, although it was me who objected blatant propaganda ("Kill, kill, kill!") in WP. In the process, he asked third uninvolved administrator: "Are you sane?" .

3. In another episode, Vlad hinted that I am also insane and "should see your doctor" , and that WP users would be happy if I died . He also makes offensive comments with regard to a user from Poland .

4. Vlad starts re-editing my edits in numerous articles, mostly by deleting sourced text . As a simple and typical example of Vlad's editing, I can show you article Nikolai Koltsov where Vlad did not admit even reference to Nature (journal): . I negotiated this matter many times but nothing helped: Vlas reverted me at least 16 times . This second simple example shows how "productive" are negotiations with Vlad: . Finally, I stopped editing this article to avoid RR warring.

5. When I helped User:Colchicum with formatting his articles, Vlad started following his edits too. Colchicum asked Alex Bakharev for an informal mediation, but Vlad did not want to listen and only blamed others as liars or worse . Colchicum filed an RfC comment about Vlad's alleged wikistalking; I supported his RfC. In retaliation, Vlad submitted an RfC falsely claiming that it was me who wikistalked him. This RfC by Vlad was supported by User:ellol.

6. User:ellol sent me a coded message using Russian criminal slang , which includes the following passage (my translation): "Everything can be done for money. I am not satisfed with Putin. It is better to come to an agreement at the court of criminals than to be killed by knife. One must be punished for making too much noise." (Russian: ""Бабки рулят", "Путин меня не вставляет", "Пацанские распальцовки на стрелках -- всё-таки цивилизованнее, чем заточка в бок", "КГ/АМ", "Западло не отвечать за базар",).

7. We had a couple of nasty disputes with Vlad in WP:ANI such as this . Please note how Vlad accuses a user who provided a third opionion at the noticeboard and how Vlad reacts here (the plagiarism message at Vlad's page is related to erroneous blocking of another user for plagiarism committed by Vlad). If you need more examples, I can provide them. Biophys 16:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Vlad fedorov

I would like to claim recusation of the arbitrator James F.. These photos show that he is one of friends of user Piotrus who is in very bad relations with me, who was conspiring with other administrators outside of wikipedia to persecute me. Biophys is a memeber of Piotrus team (see his arbcom), and I guess James F. voted here not accidentally.

On this particular photo James F. is with Piotrus. I think this is again a case of out Misplaced Pages canvassing by user Piotrus. And I think this and my block by user David Gerard belongs also to http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Piotrus/

Having regard to the fact that outside Misplaced Pages canvassing by Piotrus continues. I hereby claim the recusation of all Piotrus and Biophys firends as arbitrators, for it is evident that these people are not going to be objective in ther evaluation of the dispute, which James F. has shown immediately after he was invited here by Piotrus.

Please, also have regard to the fact that David Gerard while blocking me, hasn't blocked Biophys for his exactly the same actions for which David Gerard was blocking me. See here in detail. Vlad fedorov 03:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


Please note hasty additions by Biophys of writings he describes as an attempt to to resolve the dispute.


My reverts (???) in Boris Stomakhin article:

  • note the absense of Biophys texts deletions

my six intermediate reverts, please not the absense of any deletions of Biophys texts

  • Again my edit with couple of intermediate, please note the absense of Biophys texts deletions
  • again my edits with more than 20 (!) intermediate, please note the absense of Biophys texts deletions
  • please note that here I delete original research by Biophys "similar cases"
  • please note again I clarify texts by translating and giving the content of the Official court judgement and delete "similar cases" original research by Biophys
  • not a revert but anyway - insertions of additional citations please note, no touching of Biophys texts
  • again resinsertion and adding by me of the material sourced, note that I do not delete newly added citations by Biophys even though they are in violation of Undue Weight
  • please note no deletions of Biophys texts, just reinsertion of my texts inserted previously Biophys texts

Reverts by Biophys

  • 2 revert with three intermediate reverts note the deletion of text
  • revert with some intermediate, note the deletions of my texts by Biophys
  • revert with some intermediate, please note the large scale deletions of my texts by Biophys
  • evert with one intermediate deletion of Stomakhin Kill Kill Kill
  • revert having regard to the fact that Biophys claimed Izvestia article and Stomakhin citation as violation of BLP, I insereted text that Stomakhin was calling to commit terrorist attacks on Russian civilians and called for violent change of constitutional regime, however Biophys deleted even that version, therefore this particular coverage of particular activities by this "political prisoner" as Biophys was depicting him, was eradicated from Misplaced Pages by Biophys despite the fact that a lot of reliable sources cover that aspect.
  • again revert by Biophys of what he named "distortion"
  • revert of citations of Stomakhin in dispute
  • revert again new compromise version is deleted by Biophys
  • deletion of original research similar cases and false claims by Naftalin that Stomakhin was pushed out from the window, later I added sources for the attorney of Stomakhin who acknowledged that Stomakhin jumped out himself trying to escape
  • again deletion of my content and adding other citations by Biophys. Please note that article no is unbalanced and in violation of NPOV and Undue Weight, please see that I do not try to overcome this
  • beginning of sterile revert war by Biophys when he undoes the whole text of the article


Insertions of original research by Biophys

original research]

  • making original research and presenting call to kill by Stomakhin as "punishement" for occupation and suggesting it as a compromise (!!!) version for me

Statement by partially involved Diez2

I was the mediator of the Mediation Cabal case above all the way back in February. Since then, I did file the Rfm for them, and have been following the case as it slowly proceeded, but now I think it warrants arbitration because there has been a lot of failed mediation, and both users have been blocked for edit warring. Furthermore, the article in question has been fully protected several times. I think it's time a final decision was handed down on this. Diez2 04:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Even though I am not directly involved, Looking at your compromise, it doesn't look like it worked. Even with the compromise, Daniel still closed the case as "Beyond the realm of mediation." Diez2 05:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by non-involved Ghirla

I have never commented on the issue and I have not followed the Biophys-Fedorov debacle, but I would like to point out what a controversial person Boris Stomakhin is. Several quotes from his proclamations:

The Russians should be killed, and only killed - among them you won't find a normal, clever, intelligent person with whom you could talk and on whose understanding you could rely on... Henceforward, we should make no division between the militants and civilians.
Kill, kill, kill! Drown all Russia in blood, show no mercy to anyone, at least one nuclear explosion on the territory of the Russian Federation is mandatory... Let the Russians reap what they sow!
Death to the Russian invaders! Death to the bloody empire of fanatics! Freedom to the enslaved nations!

Those who don't see incitement to ethnic or racial hatred or sedition in these lines, attempting to cast Stomakhin as a "freedom fighter" or an innocent "victim of anti-Semitism", should be held responsible for using Misplaced Pages as a soapbox.

It needs to be demonstrated that the dispute is ongoing. There have been no Vlad's comments on the issue since June and the article has not been edited since May. I believe the arbitrators have more urgent cases to examine. --Ghirla 12:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Update: After I noted that the article had not been edited since May, a supposedly non-involved sysop found it prudent to "defuse" the situation by this edit, effectively opening the can of worms again, while Biophys hastily added as an evidence of "other steps in dispute resolution" the links to fifteen WP:ANI threads, which normally have nothing to do with Stomakhin. Since when WP:ANI is regarded as part of the dispute resolution procedure? --Ghirla 14:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement by non-involved User:Paul Pieniezny

(Note: just renamed from User:Pan_Gerwazy, still using old signature in transition)

I do not want to comment on content, but I want to react to the claim by User:Biophys that the blog in question should not be used because it is an unreliable source. First, this was also a monthly publication printed on about 30 copies and often got quoted by Kavkaz Center (), proving that the article is not something virtual that was just "found on his computer's hard disk". Second, if there is POV on that website, it is obviously pro-Stomakhin and anti-Putin. Corroboration is of course to be found in the sites that quote that address. Interestingly, googling "Kill!"+Boris Stomakhin will even net you "la Russophobe' (again, probably an unreliable source, but anti-Putin) Claiming Misplaced Pages cannot quote this, because its POV makes it unreliable, is like putting the cart before the horse. The relevancy is that a number of people supporting Stomakhin have actually claimed that he never wrote this.

It is not the only time that Biophys has tried to kill all discussion by claiming information should not be added simply because it is from a dubious source, even though the POV could not possibly be against his viewpoint: here he said that information saying that a particular organization no longer exists should not be added because it was from an unverifiable source, while it was the blog from that organization, the address I quoted could be reached from the link he put in the article, and the organization was never more than a blog in the first place. --Pan Gerwazy 18:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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