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| ::Does this question answer the conundrum of the unbearable slowness of talk pages in any way that evades me? Unlike IM clients, email contact is build into the Misplaced Pages interface, users have a choice to allow others to send them email from Misplaced Pages, or deny this. And if they receive an email, they can answer from Misplaced Pages to protect their anonymity, choose to reveal their email account by answering directly, or choose to remain silent. Is there a problem with email, is it also too slow? Is it inconvenient, as cc: or an email list is needed to write to more than one recipient at once? That GMaxwell guys recently informed (or spammed) many eligible voters. Or is it inconvenient that those users which prefer not to receive any emails can not be alerted "in private" if they don't use an IM? I don't think that private emails were ever intended to replace public edit summaries and talk pages, and if used to discuss content, the resulting emails can be posted as logs, too. The question remains: why "speedy" in private, why not "slow" in public? -- ] ] ] 03:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC) | ::Does this question answer the conundrum of the unbearable slowness of talk pages in any way that evades me? Unlike IM clients, email contact is build into the Misplaced Pages interface, users have a choice to allow others to send them email from Misplaced Pages, or deny this. And if they receive an email, they can answer from Misplaced Pages to protect their anonymity, choose to reveal their email account by answering directly, or choose to remain silent. Is there a problem with email, is it also too slow? Is it inconvenient, as cc: or an email list is needed to write to more than one recipient at once? That GMaxwell guys recently informed (or spammed) many eligible voters. Or is it inconvenient that those users which prefer not to receive any emails can not be alerted "in private" if they don't use an IM? I don't think that private emails were ever intended to replace public edit summaries and talk pages, and if used to discuss content, the resulting emails can be posted as logs, too. The question remains: why "speedy" in private, why not "slow" in public? -- ] ] ] 03:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :::Personally, I prefer email, and I hate IMs, as I prefer to manage my time myself. As for the speed of wikipedia, I'm sure we have all experienced the problems with the slow or overloaded wikipedia servers many times. --]<sup>]</sup> 08:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC) | :::Personally, I prefer email, and I hate IMs, as I prefer to manage my time myself. As for the speed of wikipedia, I'm sure we have all experienced the problems with the slow or overloaded wikipedia servers many times. --]<sup>]</sup> 08:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::::Wiki servers are coughing occasionally, or databases get locked, but then, similar to TV ads, this might be a good opportunity to do something other than endless editing or discussing. Patience has its merits, see also ]. -- ] ] ] 17:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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A procedural question here. --Ghirla 14:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- I think your question would be more visible and easier to understand if you asked it directly in the talk page. Myself, I've had problems understanding what you were asking about. --Lysy 16:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am told that such questions are not discussed on-wiki these days. Actually, I got the impression that no really serious issue would be discussed on-wiki these days. The fear of openness has drained the project of all meaningful discussion. Does it spell the writing on the wall for English Misplaced Pages? --Ghirla 15:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am not sure 'which questions' you mean. I would certainly agree that transparency is of utmost importance and thus I have always supported public logging of IRC discussions (which I think is part of the issue you are rising). However from my personal experience and looking at reasons why users I respect have limited or stopped contributing to Wiki, it is not because they were afraid or wronged by some (IRC or not) 'cabal', but because the level of incivility and trolling on Misplaced Pages is rising, and our ways of dealing with it is far from streamlined. I would be more afraid of Wiki turning into Usenet flame party then of it being taken over by any cabal.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- Indeed, I almost stopped contributing to Misplaced Pages after your repeated unblocks of the arch-troll Molobo. When you said unseemly things about me in Polish and accused me of vandalism, it did look like a Usenet flame party. I hope that it's all in the past, though. Unfortunately, after comments that "Irpen has been gunning for Piotrus", the former editor appears to have left Misplaced Pages. This seems to be the only major outcome of this arbitration. --Ghirla 12:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Instant messaging log files on Misplaced Pages?
After witnessing ongoing discussion on the project page, I wonder if there are countries were Internet Service Providers throttle protocols like http to such an extent that web site refreshes are unbearably slow compared to instant messaging protocols? As I understand, Misplaced Pages policy requires that editors use talk pages and edit summaries to explain why an edit was made or how a consensus was reached. This is kept in history and talk archives so that others can read it. How long would such web site refreshes have to last in order to make the use of IM clients the lesser evil? As some IM clients offer logging, would editors who use for Misplaced Pages matters be willing to publish logs files? -- Matthead O 21:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- And what about email ? --Lysy 22:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Does this question answer the conundrum of the unbearable slowness of talk pages in any way that evades me? Unlike IM clients, email contact is build into the Misplaced Pages interface, users have a choice to allow others to send them email from Misplaced Pages, or deny this. And if they receive an email, they can answer from Misplaced Pages to protect their anonymity, choose to reveal their email account by answering directly, or choose to remain silent. Is there a problem with email, is it also too slow? Is it inconvenient, as cc: or an email list is needed to write to more than one recipient at once? That GMaxwell guys recently informed (or spammed) many eligible voters. Or is it inconvenient that those users which prefer not to receive any emails can not be alerted "in private" if they don't use an IM? I don't think that private emails were ever intended to replace public edit summaries and talk pages, and if used to discuss content, the resulting emails can be posted as logs, too. The question remains: why "speedy" in private, why not "slow" in public? -- Matthead O 03:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- Personally, I prefer email, and I hate IMs, as I prefer to manage my time myself. As for the speed of wikipedia, I'm sure we have all experienced the problems with the slow or overloaded wikipedia servers many times. --Lysy 08:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- Wiki servers are coughing occasionally, or databases get locked, but then, similar to TV ads, this might be a good opportunity to do something other than endless editing or discussing. Patience has its merits, see also Misplaced Pages:Wait for answers. -- Matthead O 17:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- Personally, I prefer email, and I hate IMs, as I prefer to manage my time myself. As for the speed of wikipedia, I'm sure we have all experienced the problems with the slow or overloaded wikipedia servers many times. --Lysy 08:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- Does this question answer the conundrum of the unbearable slowness of talk pages in any way that evades me? Unlike IM clients, email contact is build into the Misplaced Pages interface, users have a choice to allow others to send them email from Misplaced Pages, or deny this. And if they receive an email, they can answer from Misplaced Pages to protect their anonymity, choose to reveal their email account by answering directly, or choose to remain silent. Is there a problem with email, is it also too slow? Is it inconvenient, as cc: or an email list is needed to write to more than one recipient at once? That GMaxwell guys recently informed (or spammed) many eligible voters. Or is it inconvenient that those users which prefer not to receive any emails can not be alerted "in private" if they don't use an IM? I don't think that private emails were ever intended to replace public edit summaries and talk pages, and if used to discuss content, the resulting emails can be posted as logs, too. The question remains: why "speedy" in private, why not "slow" in public? -- Matthead O 03:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)