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I have changed the content of this article to reflect Tassajara's primary function as a Soto Zen training center. (67.86.221.27 06:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC))— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.221.27 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Edits by 67.86.221.27 have copied material (including detailed daily schedules) from San Francisco Zen Center webpages, added unreferenced claims about Tassajara's prestige, and removed references.

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First Thoughts

I have read the edits each of you made and the other reverted. I am everything but an expert on this subject. So I can not tell you, weather a special content is correct or reflects any functions. I only see formal problems. In wikipedia, you can not write, that someone is admired for something. You have to use a neutral point of view. I know this is difficult, if you are interrested in the subject.

If contents are copied from any webpage, there should be a permission to use these contents, because the use without permission is a violation of copyright. On the other side, the content of an article should reflect the main attributes of the subject. As I already told you, I am no expert on the subjects and I can not tell you about the truth of these claims, but I can say something about your reactions. Misplaced Pages has one wonderfull principle: "assume good faith". Both of you seem to be trying to improve this article. I do not know why, but you use much of your knowledge and your energy to search for mistakes in the other´s edits and to remove them. Assume good faith!. There is another editor who wants to reach the same aim as you do, to create a good article about a subject, which interrests both of you. If you think, that a correct content does not reflect the primary function, it´s the wrong reaction to remove this content. Perhaps you could add further content, which gives this article the correct ballance. If the other editor has problems with neutrality, help. Please do not simply remove such content but change it. Instead of "Tassajara is admired for the rigor of its practice", you can write Tassajara holds a high rigor of practice or something like that.

My most important advice is to talk to each other. Do not only tell each other, which mistakes the other made. Try to communicate, to discover, what the other tinks about this subject. Perhaps you are closer to each other, than you think. The other is not your enemy, who wants to destroy this article. He is your partner to make this a great article. Find out about his ideas and tell him yours. Where you have differences, you should try to find a consensus. --Thw1309 17:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)