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Question to administrator

Will Beback, I do not know of any other administrators and so am bringing this question to you. If the question should be directed elsewhere, please advise. At least four extremely offensive pages (or non-existent pages with racial slurs) were placed on my watch list. I know with complete certainty I did not do this. My question is: how did this happen? One repeated the word nigger five times. Another went by the title Racial segregation is necessary. There was no content to these pages. There were others. I feel racially harassed. I the offensive additions from my watch list before realizing that I should bring this to Misplaced Pages attention. It appears there is a security breach or that some administrator somewhere with the power to do this kind of thing caused this to happen. I take this very seriously and ask that you do too. Thank you. Skywriter 19:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC) Watchlist

Can you give me the exact name of one or more of the entries? I suspect that they got on your watchlists when articles that were already watchlisted were moved to the new names. That has the effect of creating a redirect from the old name to the new name, and of automaticlaly adding the new name to your watchlist. However without a name to go by it's very hard to track down. I couln't find any history of their ever being an article called "Racial segregation is necessary" - are you sure that's exactly right? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Each of the pages added to my watchlist were non-pages in the sense that when I clicked to go to the page, there was nothing there i.e. page not created yet and gave me usual option of creating it. One page that I was supposedly watching (that was listed on my watch page) used the word nigger five times, separated by commas but with no quote marks. I did click on that link and of course, there was no such page. Someone with higher admin access to my watch page should be able to see how and when that was done. There were, I believe, four links that I did not add to my watch page that led to these offensive non-pages. If it happens again, I will not delete it but will let you know it is there and then someone can better track it. And yes, one of the fake links was to a non-page called "Racial segregation is necessary". It is a non-page of course because it would be deleted within a few minutes of anyone creating it, I suspect. But in this case, there was no link. My concern is that someone accessed my watch page and added links, which might mean they could also make changes to pages under my name. I will now change my password, but somehow I don't think that's how they gained access. Skywriter 22:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Louis Jolly West Revert

Will, the policy you quote was for Biographies of Living Persons. Maybe, you didn't notice but the person is question died in 1999. Apart, from that I am kind of new at this and perhaps you could advise me. I did give references to the two Senate Hearings, but not formally list them down in the References section at the bottom. Is this what you need to make the article *legit*?--Larryj53 23:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

"No personal attacks"

You seem to be accusing me, on my talk page, of making a personal attack. Could you please specify the edit that you consider to be a personal attack? --MaplePorter 13:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• I have never posted anything like "However, Dking, your contributions to this discussion, and your edit summaries, are so truculent as to make me wonder whether you are participating in a serious manner." --MaplePorter 21:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

That was my post, as I mention above, and I do not consider it a personal attack on anyone. I was noting the persistently hostile and belligerent tone of Dking's posts, which make discussing the article very difficult. --Marvin Diode 06:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Need advice from an administrator

I am editing an article which is a bio of a living person. The debate on the talk page has boiled down to use of foreign sources and two different interpretations of Misplaced Pages:Verifiability#Sources in languages other than English. I maintain that because the article is posted to English WP the source is not verifiable and a translation is needed to use the reference. Another editor maintains that the source is valid and the article can reflect what it says and then make reference to the article. The article is in Czech and neither of us speak Czech. Thanks. Chicaneo 15:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

PAW issue

Today, acting without consensus, SqueakBox merged Pro and Anti-pedophile activism with Pedophilia. While I supported this change, I don't support violating guidelines. As I was the one who did the "paperwork" for proposing the merger, I closed the discussion, noting that the merger occurred without consensus . Even if you eliminate all the possible socks, there was clearly no consensus to merge. SqueakBox is now edit warring over at Lolicon over the old picture, again acting as a consensus of one. Yes, some of the pro-pedophile editors can be rude, obnoxious and pushy, they have been known to edit-war and create socks at will, but I am not happy about the behavior of some of the anti-pedophile contingent either, as they violate guidelines and insult other users. In my opinion it diminishes the credibility of the project. Thanks. -Jmh123 20:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

If we ignore the banned users and the SPA newbies I absolutely think there is a consensus and Jmh herself was one of those in favour of the merge so I am surprised she has doubts. As for Lolicon a large number of editors have opposed the use of said picture, and I was attempting to try a new compromise with a new pic. I am not sure who has been insulting, perhaps Jmh would care to offer some diffs, SqueakBox 20:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Opposed - established users: User:Welland R, User:Homologeo, Coroebus, User:Dybryd. For - you, me, DPeterson, XavierVE. Just because I support something doesn't mean I think policy should be tossed aside to accomplish it. At Lolicon, you are the only individual fighting the picture since June 8. -Jmh123 21:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I certainly dont agree that merging is tossing policy aside, nor should policy be used to confine our actions when they are for the best of the encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages is not a democracty etc. I personally prefer to make bigger not smaller articles regardless of the subject matter but especially when it is even slightly controversial, SqueakBox 21:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

If a proposal is made for the purpose of gathering consensus, and then that consensus doesn't support the proposal, if you ignore that consensus, you are circumventing policy. -Jmh123 21:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Well if there ahd been a clear consensus against the move I wouldnt have done it but there wasnt. There was a at best a lack of consensus, and lack of consensus isnt an argument for the status quo, SqueakBox 21:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, we all are on the same side: making a good article within the policies and practices of Misplaced Pages. I think the merger is fine. It may not be 100% agreement, but there is a large group. Furthermore, it is consistent with policy, I think, to merge such similiar articles. Why don't we work to effect a smooth consodlidation here? Wouldn't that be best? I know Jmh123 is making a valid point and also think that we can move ahead since there are strong arguments for merger. Can we agree to work together to do that? DPeterson 23:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. Cheating and bullying bites, no matter who's doing it. Will, I understand the need for the bannings; frankly, I think some of the measures ArbCom is taking now should've been taken a long time ago, but this is just unacceptable. I don't want to be associated with this kind of behavior, no matter how important the cause. -Jmh123 02:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Lack of support for arbcom

Will: I noticed a while back that you ran for the Arbitration Committee (arbcom), but were not elected. As a matter of historical interest, could you share with us why you think you were not judged by the community as being qualified for the position? This is a sincere question, so please don't take it as a personal attack. Thanks. --24.28.6.209 00:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Given that the two of you seem to be in a content dispute on an article, this sure sounds unnecessary and argumentative to me. Newyorkbrad 01:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

You're not assuming good intent, Newyorkbrad. Actually, Will is helping out on the article Hyman G. Rickover. He's asked for several new citations, and I've provided them. Relax. --24.28.6.209 01:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

you helped out? everyones a winner?

The only winners at Goguryeo-China Wars, or shall I say Military history of Goguryeo, are the CPOV editors, which the administrators failed to see. You can't justify their reasons as fair because of their obvious POV there and in other articles like template:History of Manchuria, which the same editors are trying so hard to erase the word "manchuria" off the face of wikipedia with no good reason.

Can't you see how biased they are? They get the name they want but have not improved the article in any way according to the new title. If they really wanted to improve wikipedia, wheres the information? The article has nothing but stuff about Goguryeo vs. Chinese dynasties. Its obvious the CPOV editors hated the old title and their interests are only for stuff about China and trying to get people to see how they see everything.

I'm disappointed that you and any other editors and administrators failed to help out at the problems we have regarding Goguryeo and its related articles. I requested third opinions and other requests numerous times, and only a few people came to help. User:Arcayne offered a third opinion, and it was something the CPOV editors didn't like. Arcayne later told me that he got "slapped" on his bum or something like that. Only until somebody at a higher level of administration slammed the CPOV editors at their desks would the CPOV editors stop yelling and make them listen.

I'm not asking that you help only our side or use you as a venue to attack the CPOV editors. I'm just angry that you and oter administrators cannot see the obvious bias that the CPOV editors carry. Nobodys a winner until the editors who call the Korean side as "ultranationalists", "nazi-like", "wikipedia is a giant circlejerk for Koreans", "gooks", are punished.

It makes me angry that they get only what they want and there is no compromise (which is a state of position you call "everybodys a winner").

For example, they are allowed to use primary Chinese sources (which, obviously, nobody can affirm as correct) for everything they want. How can we affirm that they are neutral sources? never. But then I cannot use my.goguryeo for the culture section in Goguryeo because its a "Korean site" and is "nationalistic". totally not fair. Good friend100 04:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Amway unreferenced section

Replied here. —AldeBaer (c) 17:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I've included the link in the "controversy" section for now. I couldn't really find a better place for it. What that Dateline report essentially does is picking up existing criticism against Amway, re pyramid scheme allegations etc. So it seems not sufficient to back up the rest of the section. To make this clear: I'm not for or against that section, I just thought that while it was being contested by that IP, and due to it's poorly sourced state, it'd be better to move it to the talk page until sources can be provided. Personally, I wouldn't mind having the section in the article with the unref tag, but I'm afraid my opinion is somewhat underinformed, as I first heard about Amway yesterday. —AldeBaer (c) 21:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support!

I just wanted to say, now that I've gotten my feet wet: Thank you for supporting my RfA! Daniel Case 07:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Mason Wyler

I was interested to see that you restored this article after my deletion. Your reason was that the older reversion was "better", but it seemed to me that it still didn't assert notability, so I've deleted again. I obviously don't want to get into a delete/restore war with another admin, so if you restore again, I'll leave it there. However, I would appreciate some feedback on how you think this article asserts notability. To me it doesn't, and I'm not convinced that this guy is notable anyway. Thanks, Jimfbleak 14:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

George Maharis arrest material

Hi, Will. I'm out of my depth on anything LGBT related, and I'm hoping you can either help me figure it out or point to someone who can. Months and months ago, I deleted from the George Maharis article some material about his two arrests over thirty years ago. There were no citations for it, and all I could find at the time was an eBay listing for some old gay interest magazine with an article about one of the arrests. This was all in the context of an article that mentioned his Playgirl appearance and the controversy of his leaving Route 66, but didn't mention his Emmy nomination or the later TV series in which he starred, and barely mentioned his brief but successful music career. In short, it was unbalanced. It's better now (although I need to redo the citations and such), but today someone tried to add the arrest stuff back in, this time with citations. A bot reverted it, I'm guessing because one of the sources is deprecated. Can you take a look and see whether the addition or some portion thereof should be salvaged under BLP? Thanks! -- Karen | Talk | contribs 08:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

An appeal for a change in your behavior

I am concerned that Cberlet and Dking seem determined to promote and even impose a viewpoint at the LaRouche articles that is not consistent with main-stream opinion. While LaRouche has many critics and is considered a conspiracy theorist, etc., they have a particular line that he is an anti-Semitic fascist, despite his public campaigns against anti-Semitism and fascism. I think that this is probably apparent to you. They continually self-cite and cite obscure and dubious sources, instead of utilizing the abundant mainstream sources that would not be disputed. It appears that this behavior is intended to use Misplaced Pages to "make a case," when an encyclopedia is intended merely to inform (see WP:SOAP.) As an admin you ought to be intervening to discourage this sort of behavior, yet you seem to applaud it. Dking and Cberlet are constantly in violation of WP:CIVIL, where it warns against "Judgmental tone in edit summaries" and "Calling for bans or blocks." Cberlet specifically called for NathanDW to be banned (Talk:Lyndon LaRouche#Propose Banning of_NathanDW.) As an admin you ought to discourage this. --Don't lose that number 13:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I was aware of the rather sympathetic admonition against personal attacks that you left Dking in January. Can you show me an example of your telling Cberlet to be more civil, or less agressive? --Don't lose that number 06:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I would like to say that I agree with DLTN's observations. I have discussed with you before that I perceive you as harassing the pro-LaRouche editors while coddling the anti-LaRouche editors. If you could persuade Dking and Cberlet to cool it on the violations of WP:NPOV,WP:CIVIL and WP:SOAP, it would help to prevent these endless and fatiguing content disputes at the LaRouche articles. --NathanDW 15:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Cberlet has set the parameters of the mediation discussion in a highly biased way. We're supposed to discuss whether editors that contribute positive information should be banned from the article? That's an implicit violation of WP:CIVIL right there. Note that I have added virtually nothing to these articles, positive or negative -- my role from the get-go has been simply to object to the painfully obvious POV-pushing of Cberlet, and a mediation that excludes that topic doesn't seem very productive to me. --NathanDW 15:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Cumberland, MD

Wouldn't moving the history section cut it off from it's references? - NeutralHomer 00:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

As long as the history section remains intact, since there is ALOT of history to go around there, then I am happy:) - NeutralHomer 00:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

If you need the media section moved, let me know and I will be glad to move it. I am the one who made it, so I don't mind moving it around. This is not an "ownership" thing, just helping with the section I made. The rest is beyond me. - NeutralHomer 02:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, this is what I was worried about. You are getting a little delete happy. If you are going to delete entire sections (moving them not included), I am going to have to ask that you discuss it first on the talk page and wait for a response. I don't mind moving articles or changing things around, but deleting entire articles and not adding anything in it's place, that is not improving the article. - NeutralHomer 10:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I have not seen someone go so delete happy on an article in my life. The pages you are creating has no references (you are not carrying them over) and will be easily deleted. You are deleting whole sections without consensus. You are not asking the big contributor to the page, User:Potomacbase, for his input. Since, you have gone on a delete spree, I ask that you bring in someone who can be a little more biased and actually include other people in the edits and deletions, like User:Potomacbase. - NeutralHomer 10:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Information Request

User Reneeholle is repeatedly making personal attack against me, and is now making an enviorenment against me, by contacting various people on wiki on their personal talk pages, for example also if you will notice this user is highly manipulative like s/he hide's all my responces as soon as i make them for example, s/he archieved the complete talk page of Sahaj Marg, also my responce on her talk page . Kindly note, there has not been any edit from my side in last 4-5 day's, whenever i do even a minor edit, insted of talking on discussion page, this person immediatly either approaches various admins or immediatly file's a vendalism report against me for a single edits . These acts clearly demonstrate that this user is not much interested in giving any positive contribution to wikipedia, but interested in only getting me blocked, there has not been any concreate discussion from this user about edits or content of article, but only personal openion about a user, and creating an enviorenment against one user with sole intention to make sure that I am not able to contribute to wikipedia.

I have a POV, like everyone has, and i am always willing to discuss it and come to a conclusion with patience and trying to put forth my view and explaining it first on talk page, my view's may be highly different from another user, but sticking to policy is what i am comitted to, when there was no resolution on talk page, we accepted mediation process, and left the artile untouched, but if you observe, while mediation process was underway, entire page was removed, and now there is next to no info. Still i am with community and am waiting patienlly to get the outcome of mediation process. Archiving a talk page (which was undone by Sethie) itself demonstrate that this user is trying to hide all my response's so that no-one can see my POV.

I regard you as some-one who has deep understanding of wiki policy and do not get involved with issue's by becoming a part of it but you simply provide an outside prospective which is fairly balanced and neutral, that's why i regard you and value your openion very much. Kindly advice as how to tackle this situation where one user is trying all in his/her capacity to get another user blocked from editing. this is clear case of WP:NPA. I had to even put a banner on my talk page so that admins first take my POV also before getting influenced by this user. Pls advice is RfC a better option or not responding at all is better option !!

Thanks in advance.--Shashwat pandey 06:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Weather Link Removal

Hi Will, This is in regards to Palm Springs, California. Our company donates time and money for the maintenance and operation of the Palm Springs Weather website at www.palmspringsweather.com (www.psview.com). We have noticed that you recently removed this website link on July 14th and we are wondering why. The website provides detailed weather information and camera views that are available nowhere else and this information is free for all our viewers. Links to our website are also provided on the Bureau of Toursim and City of Palm Springs websites in addition to many others so why not Misplaced Pages? Thanks, --Viperlogic 22:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:NC:CITY change

I agree that there is not currently consensus for Polaron and Serge's change but I don't care to get into a revert war with either other them. I attempted to compromise with their "non-consensus" version but if you wish to revert back to your Jan 3rd, 2007 edit, I certainly have no bones against it. Agne/ 00:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Question about Hans-Hermann Hoppe

This is a general question about the listing of academics: as a relatively new contributor, I am curious about your standards regarding the listing of academics. It seems to me that Hans-Hermann Hoppe is not a notable academic. His profile is sourced by his personal website, the UNLV website, links to other wikipedia pages, and websites that list his publications (which is common for most academics, including non-notable ones). Also, though we are supposed to believe he is influential in the "Austrian school of economics," he isn't listed on the "Austrian school of economics" page. --Bremskraft 22:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Could you help me?

I am currently involved in an edit war with an anon User:User: 70.189.74.49 on the article Thematic motifs of Lost. I have reported this editor for a 3RR violation, but nothing seems to be happening. He blanked his talk page, with the warnings, and his edit summary was "good luck with that." I and other editors have tried to engage him in discussion on the article's talk page, but the only response we seem to get is "you're wrong and you just don't see it." I really want to avoid 3 reverts myself and I want to discuss this content dispute rationally. Any suggestions? Ursasapien (talk) 10:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have found assistance already. Happy editing! Ursasapien (talk) 02:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism Label

I'll try to be more patient. But is it really that big of a deal to use the undo command that way? --TrustTruth 22:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Rfc/user for Shashwat pandey

Dear Will Beback,

Users Sethie and Reneeholle have filed an Rfc for user Shashwat pandey.

Because you have contributed to either the Sahaj Marg page, the Shri Ram Chandra Mission page, or both, we would appreciate it if you could provide your comments of this user at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Shashwat_pandey

Here are the guidelines for responding :

• Other users can endorse a view (under 1.7), by adding their signature to the list after that view. Along with their signature, they may wish to offer a clarifying comment of one or two sentences, for example if they agree with all but one particular part of the view. Longer responses than that should probably go into their own "View" section.
• Anyone can endorse any view, regardless of whether or not they are outside parties, inside parties, or even the subject of the RfC. Ideally, there will be some view(s) that both sides of the involved parties can endorse.
• You may endorse as many views as you wish. You may also endorse the original RfC statement (under section 1.7), and/or the subject's response (under section 2).

Thank you for your time. It is greatly appreciated! 00:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Stephens City

Permission to use it has already been issued to the ComCom and I am waiting for a reply. - NeutralHomer 00:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

...and that would the Newtown History Center in Stephens City, VA. - NeutralHomer 00:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Now is what you are adding what the Communications Committee will add or will they remove that attribution and add something else? - NeutralHomer 01:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Let's discuss this on the relevant talk page. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

October 3

It's not noted, because I don't think anyone actually thought to look this up. In the research for Virginia, I found that the charter/founding of Stephensburgh (later Stephens City) was the only charter/founding that a British Lord actively participated in from 1607 to 1776, of course after that, British Lords had no standing here.

So, at least in Virginia it was a one-time only event, making it very rare, at least by Colonial History standards and worth noting, at least in Virginia history.

Then it got me thinking....did this happen anywhere else from 1607 to 1776? Did a British Lord come to the "new world" and actively participate in the charter and founding of a US town. The Virginia Historical Society said "no", but they are still looking, hence my recent edit.

If it is found that from 1607 to 1776, 169 years, that only one time did a British Lord actively participate in the charter and founding of a US town, it would be a notable bit of history that no one really took the time to look up.

I am actively working with the Virginia Historical Society and the Newtown History Center on this one and making sure that we don't come across another town in Virginia or in what would have been the originial 13 colonies that would take away the "only one time" "title" from Stephens City.

So, if it is confirmed, then I will add it to the History section on the Virginia page and if further confirmed, on the History section of the United States page as well. That will back up the notability. Right now, I am just "crossing my T's and dotting my I's" - NeutralHomer 04:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I am actually a little disappointed that you are telling me to just ignore a piece of history that no one thought to look up and that just because Stephens City has a in-town and outside town limits population of about 3,000, it is not as important as say Chicago or NYC. What disappoints me more, is your comparing this to scratching one's nose.

Misplaced Pages is not about which bit of information or history is more important or "cooler" or affected the price of eggs in China, if we did that all of us would be going against a big Wiki rule: Neutral point of view. Regardless if it is small and only affected Colonial US History from 1607 to 1776, it would be a piece of history that, as a an encyclopedia, we would have to add.

We don't decide which pieces of history get in, as long as they have references (and mine does) then they are included, no matter how small.

So, when the Virginia Historical Society gets back to me, I will add the topic in the Virginia history section and readd it on the October 3 page. As the more research comes in, my adding of the topic to other pages might grow as well. - NeutralHomer 23:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

That right there is what is wrong with Misplaced Pages. Too many people deciding what they think should be on Misplaced Pages and what they think is important and threating others who try to expand Misplaced Pages with a piece of history that no one has thought to look up. No one, the Virginia Historical Society hadn't looked it up themselves. This is what really disappoints me about Misplaced Pages. Spout off about neutral points of voice and being unbias and that is exactly what you are being right here.

Do me a favor, leave the Stephens City page to me, I don't need nor want your help any longer. I will ask for help from people who actually have a knowledge of Virginia History and Colonial History and people are unbiased and people who wish to expand Misplaced Pages instead of threatening those who try or do. - NeutralHomer 23:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Manzanar

Could you drop by Talk:Manzanar, check out the discussion on terminology (it's in two sections) and add your two cents? There is quite the dispute, although it has been civil. Thanks. Gmatsuda 04:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Attachment therapy

You may not know but currently this article (and all matters relating to all attachment articles) are before ArbCom. ArbCom is not yet finished but in the course of evidence it has transpired by checkuser that DPeterson, SamDavidson, JohnsonRon, JonesRD and MarkWood are the same user. They are reduced to one account and that may be for arbitration only although this is not clear. A decision has not yet been reached on RalphLender. There are cross allegations but the credibility of these has suffered somewhat in the light of the checkuser findings. In the circumstances it seems unlikely that edit war will break out again so am asking that this page be unprotected. (I have also asked on the unprotect page as I didn't read the bit about asking you first until I'd posted it. Sorry.) Fainites 18:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Will. Fainites 20:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Villa-Park

Checking on an unblock request. I can see that this user edited in the same general area as the banned user you refer to, but I'm having trouble seeing what makes you so sure that this is a sock of that user. Could you explain it a little more (email would be fine)? I'm not as familiar with Ericsaindon2's behavior as you are. Mangojuice 04:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Just letting you know I've reviewed the request and left a note with Mangojuice. Will see if there's a reply from either of them, and things can proceed from there, I guess. This one matches what I remember very closely. – Luna Santin (talk) 06:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Even-handedness

I am shocked and outraged to learn that NathanDW has been indefinately blocked for restoring an external link that had been removed without explanation. He made a request for an explanation on the talk page (at Talk:Chip Berlet) and made no further effort to restore the link after he received an explanation. This is amazing. Cberlet makes more questionable BLP edits in an hour (as he did yesterday at LaRouche Youth Movement) than NathanDW makes in a year -- yet NathanDW gets permanently blocked, and Cberlet doesn't even get a warning. You are familiar with the editors involved here. You should intervene. --Marvin Diode 12:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Has Cberlet ever received any sort of warning on BLP? --Mr Keck 20:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Nation of Aztlan

I need a bit of help/advice. Could you take a look at my latest post on Nation of Aztlan's talk page? Thanks. --Chicaneo 16:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Primerica Financial Services

Will Beback, I think a consensus needs to be made about the criticism section to Primerica Financial Services. The original criticism focused on its recruiting methods, but has now taken on complaints against its insurance business. Why is this relevant? How come Primerica seems to be the target of this type of criticism? Based upon your edits you seem to support it. Prudential and AFLAC don't have criticism sections pertaining to company complaints, yet a simple Google search will yield that type of information. Should these complaints be added to the Prudential and AFLAC articles?

In my last edit, I made an attempt to accurately state the facts in the source complaints, giving numbers as opposed to "some" and "many." The numbers provided are old data, at least lets use current data. You obviously think these statements should be in there, as every time someone removed the statements, you reverted the article. Every company is going to have complaints made against it. If we are going to leave these statements, then at least let use current data and put the data in context. But, then again, why is this relevant? As an example, the source used the Michigan statement was from 2001. This source was probably found by going to the michigan.gov site and doing a search for "Primerica." The 2001 source just happens to be the first listed, but below that is the the 2006 report. This just seems to be a random attack. As a comparison, in 2001, Prudential had 48 complaints, but this information is no where within its Misplaced Pages article. I not suggesting this type information be added to the Prudential, MetLife or AFLAC articles, my point is, I feel the criticism section should focus on the recruiting and not every small complaint lodged against the company.

I am coming to you opened minded in an effort to understand your position on the subject. I would appreciate any insight you could offer. P747AH 13:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

So can we agree to remove the state agency and BBS statements? P747AH 16:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The original editor was an anon. editor. By the user contributions, it is obvious that the editor has something against Primerica. P747AH 17:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Links inside of quotes

I saw your comment about my link on "Malthusian." Is there an actual policy that covers this? It seems to me that many persons may not be aware of the meaning of the term. --Mr Keck 20:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

DefaultSort & References repair at George Paxton

Hi Mr. Beback, Do you know how to fix the References?

Somehow, when I was correcting the DEFAULTSORT for this swing band leader, the References got hidden. (I was trying to fix the DEFAULTSORT to register his last name first, for proper listing on Category pages.) Do you know how I would fix this? Dogru144 08:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and for getting back to me. Dogru144 14:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Polk County

I started trying to look something up about Sterling Township in Polk County. I might perhaps write about some of the local places. So as I was looking around for an WP editor already working in the area, I found you reverting spam links all over the place. It seems the main contributor to Polk County articles is also spamming links, but it's hard to tell, and I am not interesting in the forensics of it all. Since you are apparently the only one wearing a white hat in Polk County, I have a question for you, having to do with a cemetery there. If you know about the area, let me know. There really is a point to all this, as I would like to work on Sterling, and Eureka Townships. And I think an article on what is called the Sterling Barrens would be fun to write. What a neat name? Can you help me? Thanks. Nanabozho 05:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for adding the unsourced material to the LA page, just trying to learn my way around. Rich in LA 18:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Attachment Therapy

Users Fainites, Sarner, et. al., are editing this without regard to other's thoughts and reverting wholesale. I think the article should be refrozen. RalphLender 18:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)