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What's up with this redirect -or- Here I thought I was being so clever

So I thought I would cleverly use an existing page to start a new article since the existing page was no longer necessary but instead I somehow both created the article and turned the existing page into a redirect which I can't get pointed to the right place. The Virgin Queen (television) should either be deleted or redirected to The Virgin Queen (TV show) but I can't make it happen. What am I doing wrong? Otto4711 12:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The Virgin Queen (television) does redirect to The Virgin Queen (TV show). Repost a {{helpme}} if you can clarify your problem.--Commander Keane 13:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Weird. It was pointing to the film page last night and today on two different browsers on two different computers. Oh well, thanks anyway. Otto4711 13:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Just glancing over your talk page. You might have already been told this by now, but Misplaced Pages uses Squid cache servers which essentially hold a slightly-out-of-date copy of Misplaced Pages in a computer that stands between you and the database. So sometimes you will make an edit and it is accepted, but the cache server in the middle doesn't get the new information yet and it continues to present an old copy of Misplaced Pages to you. Next time it looks like you might be experiencing this, follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Purge and it should clear up. Later, — coelacan talk — 17:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Playing card symbols

Trying to insert card suit symbols into The Cincinnati Kid and it's not working. I used the notation in the article Yoshio Nakano as my guide and I thought I did it right, but apparently not. Otto4711 02:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you need the semicolons: ♣ ♥ ♦ ♠ (or, ♣ ♥ ♦ ♠). =D Luna Santin 02:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Filing complaint against admin?

How does one file a complaint or grievance against a moderator who's breaking rules, being uncivil and making false accusations? Otto4711 21:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

The first thing you should do is bring it up with the administrator in question. I don't know what the situation is, but it could be a misunderstanding, or someone who is stressed and didn't really mean it and would apologize anyway. I would be happy to look at it. If it is very severe, or that has failed, bring it up at Misplaced Pages:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents. You would need to cite URLs where the offending behavior can be found. —Centrx→talk • 21:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

This looks like a content dispute. Neither of you should be reverting; and it doesn't accomplish anything. Just talk it out on the discussion page. His comments here were uncivil, but admonishing people and threatening blocks is unfriendly and not productive. —Centrx→talk • 22:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 7 September, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Willi Ninja, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Srikeit 18:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The Heap

Good comics history, man! Kudos on your edits here! -- Tenebrae 04:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments

Otto4711-

1. Thanks for the work on Male prostitution in the arts.
2. I noticed that you removed comments on a few films... why?
3. Please remember to use edit summaries.

Thanks and keep up the good work- NYArtsnWords 22:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Superhero television programs

One problem with your freshly created category is that some eligible items under the DC Comics and Marvel Comics subcategories are not about superheroes. MadTV (based on the DC Comics publication Mad) is not a superhero program. Men in Black (from a company owned by Marvel Comics) is not a superhero program. Doczilla 08:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Smile!

Flutefluteflute has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile at others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Wel done on your recent edits to the Wicked article - I think there's still a lot to be done though!-- Flutefluteflute 13:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

comment of the day (uhh, my awards review process takes a week, see)

"Because only a jackass..." aaaaaahhhahahahaahaha you slayed me, Otto. It's a good thing I wasn't sipping my coffee when I read that. — coelacan talk — 06:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Death By Gluten Afd

Death By Google - what a classic, by far the best Afd quote I have ever seen!! Keep it up ;-) RyanPostlethwaite 23:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Jason Bellini and Will Wikle pages

A heads up, as you've edited one and, I think, started the other -- both pages are completely devoid of sourcing, and one included alleged quotes that needed to be removed until they are properly sourced as per WP:V. If you're interested, I'd recommend you take a look and consider helping improve them? NYDCSP 20:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

CfD nominations

Looking at some of your CfD nominations (many of which I agree with), it looks like some people raise objections because you do not provide a complete justification. You may want to write in more extended justifications so that people understand the nomination better. You may also want to link to previous discussions on similar categories; links to closed discussions would be better than links to open discussions.

I hope these suggestions are useful. Dr. Submillimeter 10:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

CFDs

Hey Otto4711 - We sometimes disagree on the CFDs but I wanted to say I appreciate you persistently making relevant points on the current LGBT-related CFDs. I'm really going to stay out of it as much as possible because I feel, strongly, that the CFDs are getting bogged down with a lot of people making nominations to make a point, or to implement their personal philosophies about the significance of particular identities. Nevertheless, even though I'm feeling frustrated with wikipedia process right now, I had resolved previously to give props to people when I could. Best, lquilter 04:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation.

Hello, I saw your edits to Gay USA and would like to invite you to join WikiProject LGBT studies - we'd love to have you on board! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Come on, you just voted on my AfD, you know you want to join... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

We'd love to have your participation :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Searching for all categories with a common word in the name

{{helpme}} Is there a way to search for all existing categories based on a word or phrase in their names other than the leading words? Otto4711 07:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

If I read that correctly, you can do that by only checking the category box at the bottom of the search page, like this. --h2g2bob 08:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Godzilla

Oops, I missed that one. Yes, it will be merged per precedent. >Radiant< 14:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

re: super-hero/villain team lists

Just on observation, but the forced cat sorting for these is for ease of use by putting the lists ate the "front" of the page.

To be honest, I'd just as soon see the lists removed from the team cats and just reside in the organization cats. I'm tempted to do that once the rename of the three organization goes through.

— J Greb 03:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

As goes the Thunderbolt Cat...

Since it's your nom there's a pair of umbrella cats you may want to look at and possibly include:

Category:New Warriors Category:X-Men

— J Greb 03:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't delete articles without discussion

I'm talking about Makiko Hayashi (a Bond character). You didn't even move the article, just deleted. Don't do this EVER again. --HanzoHattori 18:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

And yes, it was a deletion - as you wiped out the whole article without movin, and yes, without discussion. I DON'T care what "bore" you. --HanzoHattori 19:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You need a difference between merging and redirecting, and deleting and redirecting. And to discuss such things first (there are discussions on the mergings, wake up Neo). EOT. --HanzoHattori 19:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, STOP PERSONAL ATTACKS. You have a lot to learn how to use Wiki. EOT, again. --HanzoHattori 19:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It's Time For Regis!

Otto, aside from Be Bold, there are stips to not remove the AfD banner from the page. Should I just redirect and nuke the AfD, or let it go? --Dennisthe2 20:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Category:Batman-inspired_heroes_and_villains

Hello Otto. You suggested making lists for Category:Batman-inspired heroes and Category:Batman-inspired villains at CFD. I've closed the discussion as delete after listifying. I wonder if you'd be interested in doing the listing? Quite a lot of the info is already in List of Batman pastiches (and maybe Batman in popular media). I could have a go, but I'm not really much of a Batman fan, and I'd be unlikely to do a good job! I've also left a note with User:Grace E. Dougle. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for that ultra-super-speedy-fixup. I'm still trying to get the hang of this CFD closing stuff, so if you see me do anything really dim, please let me know! Cheers! Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Name changes

Please check out: Talk:Amazing Race 5 contestants. --evrik  23:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

AFD: List of films... US Marines

You have commented on the AFD discussion for List of films featuring United States Marines, the discussion can be viewed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of films featuring United States Marines.

Following support for my suggestion, I have done a userspace rewrite of the article at User:Saberwyn/Films featuring the United States Marine Corps, with the rewritten article in the top half and the current article with annotations as to their inclusion or non-inclusion in the rewritten list.

I would like to request that you review the rewritten article, and if you think it is appropriate, amend your stance at the AFD discussion. -- saberwyn 11:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

grab the rope!

		The XfD Rescue Barnstar
		Hi Otto. =) Your very competent argumentation saved Category:Vegetarians from deletion. Thanks for being a CfD "first responder". — coelacan talk — 05:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Reporting disruption by editor

What is the proper procedure for reporting an editor engaging in disruptive conduct? Otto4711 02:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I am an administrator. What sort of disruptive conduct? Have you tried to resolve the problem directly with the editor you are concerned about? Newyorkbrad 02:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Want your opinion on something...

Found something during our spate of Comics related CfD noms that I need a second set of eyes on be for putting it up.

I checked the parents cats for the two subs for Comics creators by company. Marvel's (Category:Marvel Comics people) is pretty straight forward and should go. It's mostly execs, a few editors, and one artist. But Disney...

First it hits Category:Disney people, but the real bugger is the next parent up: Category:People by company... 58 cats.

Do we want to slowly eat through this or have a revisit of the "Show cast/actors" CfD?

— J Greb 20:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

True. And very true about Disney. Right now I'll just worry about the comics stuff. Between that and the net works at least a framework can be shown for the more egregious cats. — J Greb 20:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Empty than delete

We're not supposed to remove categories until they are empty, there's several helpful bots that take care of the emptying bit. The format is pretty simple, just follow my lead ... all of the ones you have been doing will go under Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 25, since that is really the discussion that applies. We're just doing the follow up paperwork to the Jan 25 decision. -- Prove It 03:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You are not a vandal.

Otto4711, you didn't vandalize at all; I never said you did. All I said in my summaries was that you didn't discuss the change on the talk pages first. I was always taught that major changes should be discussed first. If you thought that I called you a vandal, I'm sorry. You are not a vandal. Acalamari 16:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I responded with: Listen, I'm sorry if I've been incivil. It wasn't my intention. I hope in the future we can work peacefully. I made a mess of the situation that just happened. I am sorry.

I should also add: I should have been more specific. I was foolish in making that error. Acalamari 17:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Cologne?

Just a irrelevant question, are you from Cologne, Germany ? Alf 21:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Move request for Boi (gender)

I've gone ahead and reverted your move of Boi (disambiguation) from Boi and moved your move request for Boi (gender) to Boi to incomplete move requests. WP:DAB says that when there is no clear primary usage for a word, then the disambiguation page may be located at that word so your move reason is not valid. Additionally, it is generally a good indicator that if you have to move an article off a title in order to move another article there that the move is not "Uncontroversial". You are more than welcome to submit a proper "Other" move request though. --Bobblehead 00:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh. Sorry. The difference between the comment on WP:RM and the message above was more of a timing and not wanting to leave a lengthy comment on WP:RM than an attempt to make your actions appear "under handed". I've gone ahead and rewrote the comment I left on WP:RM. On the other hand, the manner in which you proceeded on the move request is not completely above board, but could very well have been an innocent transgression. Hope you have a better wikiexperience in the future. --Bobblehead 01:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Smile!

List of Elvis Presley songs covered by other artists

I've deprodded List of Elvis Presley songs covered by other artists - its chequered history includes one failed prod and two AfDs, so we can't say deletion of it would be "uncontrovertial". I confess I don't quite understand the relationship of the AfDs to this article, so a specific nomination of this article specifically might not go amiss. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Mogul

Category:Film studio executives seemed to be the best-supported name. My bad, I mentioned it on CFD/W but not in the closing note. >Radiant< 14:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Recategorizing Meher Baba articles

Hi, can you give me please an idea of why you have changed most categorization of Meher Baba? If you have a categorizing scheme I would like to know, and try to work it out with you. Also some of Townsend's works are dedicated to Baba and you have removed the category. Hoverfish Talk 19:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, about categorizing as "works of" isn't any problem, as far I can tell. I'm sure Cott12 will agree to this. Yet some of the other exculsions were done a bit hasty. For example, the whole Sufi Reoriented was created by Meher Baba. Carol Weyland Conner as the current Murshida is directly related to Meher Baba. If St. Peter is in category Followers of Jesus, then maybe we should use the follower option. For another example, Mandali is a term in relation to this particular group, it is not just religious terminology but a group specific term, at least as far as the article presents it. Also a part of Townsend's work is very much connected, Townsend himself being one of the most famous (to the West world) followers of Baba. Part of his work is clearly rock, but part of his activities and songs are quite within the Baba sphere of topics. If not the parent category, some other related category would be quite appropriate. Hoverfish Talk 20:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Frank Jasper

Good evening (GMT time); you recently nominated the above article for deletion at Articles for Deletion. Further to the standard period of time of discussion, I have closed the Deletion Discussion on the article as Delete.

Kind regards,
anthony 23:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Film categories

Speaking for myself, it's not "I like it", although I have doubts when I see isolated actions and not an overall plan. But I understand your point on CfD process and precedent. As said in my comment, I want to get to a useful and stable categorization. I do not want to see subgenre type categories for such groups of films either. I started the WP Films categorization department to get people to agree on what we are doing. This method may not be the most effective, but I think that if we try to work out a scheme that makes sense, we will be able to clean films overcategorization in a wide and relatively undisputed sweep. The problem of users that like creating categories for everything is workable if we have a clear "category-list-navigation" scheme that meets our needs. There is a much more serious problem on the very basics of categorization. Some want to have index-type "primary" categories, and others try to break everything down in specifics. I am trying to find a satisfactory combination of both, but it's not easy. And surely category cruft makes it all worse. If you wish to help me define a scheme, let me please know what you see useful and what you see as cruft in all of Category:Films, and I will try to make a wide proposal it in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Films/Categorization. There are people who can help create a consensus. Hoverfish Talk 19:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Québécois

Hello, I am contacting all non-anonymous editors who participated in the debate at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Québécois. It has been very difficult achieving consensus on the appropriate scope of the article, and the use of the word Québécois in a series of articles proposed by one editor. I am requesting input at Talk:Québécois. Joeldl 23:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Big Gay Sketch Show

I had noticed the deletion of the cast list, but though the person who did it didn't explain, it looks like they probably did it because that information is also in the info box on the page.--Larrybob 17:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

"By city-by occupation" suggestion at WP:OCAT

Hey Otto. After all the recent by-city cfds you nominated recently, I came to realize that there might be a good compromise on how to handle these. I spelled it out at WP:OCAT. Feel free to let me know what you think. Basically the proposal is to use categories like "People from (city)" only as navigational hubs to related occupational categories. For example, Category:People from New Orleans should itself have any articles, but should instead simply be the parent category for navigation of related occupations like Category:Musicians of New Orleans. That would eliminate the "phonebook" of articles for individual cities (ie listing articles by name only) but would retain the more useful subdivision of people by occupation and by city of practice (eg keeping all the New Orleans musicians or Los Angeles politicians as a distinct categories).

No need to reply here - just take a look and post your thoughts at Misplaced Pages talk:Overcategorization#Categorization by city questions. Cheers! Dugwiki 18:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I closed your RfA

I closed your RfA because it had gotten fairly hopeless at 1/19/3 and some of the comments were getting needlessly mean. If you dispute this you can re-transclude Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Otto4711 onto WP:RFA. —dgies_c 21:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

List of heroes inspired by Batman

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article List of heroes inspired by Batman, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Megapixie 09:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Lucky Louie

I've closed your CfR nomination of Category:Lucky Louie as "no consensus" because no-one commented. If I were you, I would be inclined to be WP:BOLD and do it anyway, not that I have any particular views for or against. Sam Blacketer 19:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Trolling and harassment

I know you're bitter by recent events but trolling my every comment on CFD will not improve people's view of you. Tim! 16:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Well

That RFA was surprisingly negative, even spiteful at times, and containing numerous WP:KETTLEs. Sorry for putting you through that, it was entirely not what I suspected. Here's one for not giving up.

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		>Radiant< 08:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:The O.C.

The category has been purged of performers and other real-life people who have worked on the show. You may want to check up on it for a day or two to make sure that no one adds performer articles back into the category. Dr. Submillimeter 10:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

You are decimating Misplaced Pages

Hello...I'd just like to let you know that you are decimating Misplaced Pages by nominating any and all categories that you can find for deletion. You and 2-3 people end up deleting hundreds of categories that many people have worked on for a long time, not in the least limited to many of the TV show and family categories. I'd advise you to please end your deletion-mania. --172.164.242.170 13:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Iron Chef List

Hello. Per Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 13#Category:Iron Chef, I thought that the list would be created before the category was deleted and removed from all the articles, however, you added it to WP:CFDW as "Empty then delete", and as far as I can tell the list does not yet exist. Am I just not looking for it is the right place? I can't find it via any backlinks, so I think that it does not exist. If not, should I assume that you will be creating it shortly? I imagine that you will need to go back through the bots contributions to find all the articles. Please respond here, I've got your page on my watchlist. --After Midnight 00:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

• The lists were already in the articles for the various shows. Otto4711 00:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy Kimmel Live CFD

You see, no other participant was convinced by your arguments. The category could not be deleted under these circumstances. Conscious 05:02, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

No content in Category:I Love Lucy episodes

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Category:I Love Lucy episodes, by TTN, another Misplaced Pages user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Category:I Love Lucy episodes has been empty for at least four days, and its only content has been links to parent categories. (CSD C1).

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Category:I Love Lucy episodes, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. This bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion, it did not nominate Category:I Love Lucy episodes itself. Feel free to leave a message on the bot operator's talk page if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot. Thanks. --Android Mouse Bot 2 19:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Those episodes contain nothing more than a few trivial notes. Unless you plan on expanding them, and know for sure that they have useful information, please leave them be. TTN 19:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

So do you have the necessary sources ready or do you just "believe the information is out there"? If you're going to claim that these can, in fact, be improved, please provide something. TTN 19:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

LGBT CfDs

I'd like to get your take on why we should keep categories like Category:LGBT businesspeople. I'm not going to nominate them, so you don't assume I'm conducting some type of campaign against LGBT categories. I just want to discuss them. I'd also like to briefly discuss possibly pruning Category:LGBT directors to only include people such as John Waters who make the so-called "gay films" and not people like Joel Schumacher. Then, I'll nominate whichever you and I agree on. Bulldog123 16:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• Ok? :) Bulldog123 21:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Ok, so what about the pruning of the film directors cat? And I'm only considering nominating LGBT businesspeople for now. The rest seem ok in terms of intersections. Bulldog123 02:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
    • National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association however is the only thing I can see holding up LGBT journalists if those journalists aren't like...writing for an LGBT oriented magazine or something. Bulldog123 02:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

CfD - Propose renaming Category:Obsolete groups of creatures to Category:Obsolete taxa

That was here. You wanted alternative names & 2 have now emerged, which are supported by similar numbers. A quick revisit could be very helpful. Thxs. Johnbod 22:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Crumbs

Actually, an admin isn't required to delay the speedy delete if an article has a hang on tag. ideally they should read the objection and consider that in the context of the article but if its clearly a speedy, its clearly a speedy. Further comments at DRV. BTW did the notify the deleting admin that yhou had taken the thing to DRV? Spartaz 14:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Non-free use disputed for Image:Jp01.jpg

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Re : Mortal Kombat storyline

When it is regarded as unsalvageable, i.e. where consensus determines that there is no other way to address the concerns (cleanup, merge, redirect, rewrite) other than deletion. If you need a push forth a stronger case for deletion, it would be good to prove in some way why the article's problems simply cannot be fixed. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 10:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Cat:Crumb family

I switched the decision to delete. Thanks for the heads up. Apparently my brain was asleep on that one. :) --Woohookitty 09:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Removing Cats from Template:Nirvana (band)

Hi, I'm curious to your rationale behind removing the categories from {{Nirvana (band)}}. If you ask me, it doesn't hurt to include them. Just wondering. Cheers. -- Reaper X 23:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandlism and Threatening behavior

Vandalism is about intent. You are chasing after articles clearly to tell people specificaly what to do adding tags and not bothering to contribute to the article itself. You also have a history of doing things without discussing on the talk page. I call that vandalism. Your remarkes left on my IP comment page were horrible and surpass anything I had said. You sir are the DICK!

Although I did not like the message you left on the IP talk page, I offer an apology for summerizing your addition of the "citation needed" tags as vandalsim. Although It apears this is something you do often and I hate seeing so many people add tags without editing work it also appears this is common practice on Misplaced Pages. I have added the needed referances to most of the page however i did remove one tag as it is answered in the following referance source.

Diamond Smugglers

Just FYI I reverted your removal of the James Bond category from The Diamond Smugglers. The James Bond category is not the James Bond books category, but rather relates to articles on subjects connected to Bond, and Diamond Smugglers, although not a James Bond book it's true, nonetheless has connection to the world of Bond through Ian Fleming. 23skidoo 19:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

• No, it has connection through Diamonds Are Forever and Per Fine Ounce. 23skidoo 19:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Guidance on duplicate categories

See Misplaced Pages talk:Overcategorization#Duplicate_categories. Any thoughts? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Jp01.jpg

Hi, Otto4711. Just wanted to let you know that I'm disputing the rationale for using this image as it currently is. --Abu badali 18:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD

Just a word of advice -- don't get too caught up in discussion at AfDs like the one for Fight Club in popular culture. The longer the discussion goes, the more likely that the outcome will be a stalemate -- no consensus. I've rarely seen minds changed at AfD; both sides can make arguments and counter-arguments perpetually. If your recommendation is detailed enough and you are certain of your decision, that should be all that's necessary. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 12:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

True enough. I don't intend to discourage any discussion whatsoever, but I think there's a certain threshold where the back-and-forth nature is too exhaustive. Perhaps I'll make a brief rebuttal and conclude my involvement there. :) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 12:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Editor's barnstar

		The Editor's Barnstar
		I, Eyrian, am happy to present you with this editor's barnstar, for your tireless excellent work in trimming the trivial fat. --Eyrian 19:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me

You made some pretty big accusations of me. The comment you quoted was NOT me. There are a lot of people that want to see the Iowa State Marching Band page brought back, and it wasn't noticed by anyone that it was gone until recently. Thank you for needlessly trying to discredit me. Bassgoonist 00:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry

When I put those AfD I was not doing it in bad faith. I looked at (some) of the criteria guidelines for notability of musical groups, and neither of them had any that I saw, and I saw nothing else very redeeming. After I read the discussions of why people didn't feel they should be deleted I realized that the other marching band article (ISUCF"V"MB) would be notable under some of the criteria people gave for not deleting the others, so I wanted people to look and see what they thought. I didn't engage in edit/revert wars, and I didn't go on a rampage of marking AfD, I just picked a starting point, there was no vendetta. Those two marching bands I picked were high in the search results for marching bands. Bassgoonist 03:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

User page

Hello, are those articles you created on your user page? I'm just curious what that list means? In any case, I would suggest naming it to indicate what that list means. Best, --24.154.173.243 15:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thanks for the reply! --24.154.173.243 19:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

whoops, thanks

That's embarrassing! — pd_THOR | 21:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Smallville

Please note the page was deleted just 3 days ago, and has been deleted several times. Just because someone held an AfD with an article, that wasn't even in the proper naming convention, only had like 4 people discussing it, and is still full of speculation, unreliable sources, and a summary of a season we already have doesn't mean it bypasses the deletion of the proper article. What was created as a content fork, and managed to slip by an AfD because it was improperly named and had limited participation.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

TPIR pricing games

What I was hoping to accomplish is to get people actually working towards something instead of just talking. AfD can have that effect: it's a debate, everyone debates, but often people are overly hesitant to take action. I agree, there was some discussion of a retired vs. non-retired solution but that didn't have consensus either, clearly. Hopefully if a discussion can be had where the point is how best to organize the articles, then that can be properly addressed. But none of the hoping for merging will go anywhere if no one actually puts together the more general articles. IMO, that can be done, at first, without redirecting the individual game articles. (BTW, I don't, myself, think the retired vs. non-retired idea is the best. Why wouldn't a simple break-up alphabetically be the best idea? Eg List of The Price is Right pricing games (A-H), et cetera.) Mangojuice 19:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

One thought: some of the games seem to have changed over time, whereas others have "retired version" and "unretired version"s. To me, that distinction seems a little arbitrary. So there might be some overlap among the lists. Good luck. Mangojuice 20:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I think Mangojuice is getting confused over Bullseye and Balance Game...there are actually two pricing games with each of these titles, none of which have anything to do with one another.

By the way, nice work combining all the retired games into one page. I think it looks good. -TPIRFanSteve 18:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:Gates family

You may want to look at and comment at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 3#Category:Gates family. Dr. Submillimeter 13:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Middle-earth in popular culture - pre-DRV request notification

Hi there. I'm leaving a courtesy note to let you know that I am asking the closing admin to reconsider Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Middle-earth in popular culture. My arguments are laid out at User talk:Coredesat#Middle-earth in popular culture - pre-DRV request. As you took part in the original AfD, I'm notifying you so that you can add your opinion, either there or later if it goes to DRV. Thanks. Carcharoth 11:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Category indexing

Please consider the categories before changing the sort key of an article. Your changes to 50 Cent cause that article to sort outisde the established order in all the categories where such an order has been established. For the others, it doesn't matter, but Category:Living people has a standard of using # and so have Category:Hip hop record producers, Category:1975 births and Category:African American rappers. Whether or not the character is "non-standard" has no bearing on the issue. The sort key only affects sorting in categories, and should only reflect that need. --Stemonitis 17:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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Cast list deletion discussions

Several cast list articles have been nominated for deletion here. While these cast lists are mostly redundant with the information in other articles, some people want to turn these back into categories, which would be really bad. I know that you hate cast list categories more than I do, so I am hoping that you will comment on how these categories should not be recreated. Dr. Submillimeter 08:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Zombie

It has been reanimated, as befitting the undead. >Radiant< 14:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Please take another look at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 5

Hi Otto4711,

I've redone the Goetz school article on my user pages and made some other comments at the bottom of the deletion-review discussion (some of which specifically meet your objection on notability). I'm asking editors to comment on the changes I've made because they represent a new development, one I think we can form a pretty wide consensus around. I think the article as I've redone it meets the objections of many editors, and it certainly meets WP:V. Please take a look, but I think this deletion review will close today or early tomorrow, so please don't delay, act now and take advantage of this limited-time offer! Noroton 17:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Chasing down CFDs

Thanks for listing so many connected categories after I nominated the Sean Connery one. I'm impressed with your thoroughness - you nominated all of the ones that I thought were suspect. --GargoyleMT 00:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

GDI Storyline AFD

I am pleased to see that you care enough to nominate article for deletion (God knows the mess I have made there needs cleaned up badly), but I will take this opertunity to remind that one of the guidelines/policies on AFD reads "While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the articles that you are nominating for deletion." Personally, I think I am just as happy not knowing about the afd (it makes me sad to see my stuff go, though I know its for the better) however others would probably like a heads up on the matter. Just something to remember. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I support this. That would certainly be appreciated by people who contributed to an article, no matter how rubbish it is/isn't. --Romanski 20:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Vitamin D (producer)

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Vitamin D (producer), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. KenWalker | Talk 06:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

A note on how you sound

Otto - my suggestion that you should stick to a single and consistent set of arguments and standards at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/24601 (number) was phrased in polite terms. Your reply ... "You seem like a bright enough fellow so your claim of being confused seems a little disingenuous" ... comes across as arrogant, patronising and condescending. If this is not really the image that you wish to project to your fellow Wikipedians, then you might want to re-think your approach towards people who disagree with you or offer you well-meant advice. Gandalf61 08:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion welcome at deletion review for Plot of Les Mis

After Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Plot of Les Misérables closed as a deletion, I'm challenging the way the closing administrator acted as in violation of Misplaced Pages rules. Your participation is welcome at that discussion, Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 14. Please keep in mind that only arguments related to either new information or to how Misplaced Pages rules were violated or not violated in closing the discussion will be considered. It isn't a replay of the original AfD. I'm familiar with WP:CANVASSING and I am alerting everyone who participated in that discussion to the deletion review. I won't contact anyone again on this topic, and I apologize if you consider this note distracting. Noroton 03:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Prodding

Hello, Thanks for the information about "prodding". I don't consider the article in question to be an "uncontroversial deletion candidate that obviously does not belong in the encyclopedia", so if you want to proceed further I hope you will proceed through the discussion channel. Thanks, Opus33 00:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Citation templates

{{helpme}} Trying to add citation templates to an article and not seeing what I'm doing wrong. Here is the end result of my attempt. Where is my mistake? Otto4711 17:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you tried to put a <ref> tag within another <ref> tag. The software doesn't know how to read that. You need to use parentheses or some other mechanism to cite a reference within a reference. Shalom 17:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Um... the second <ref> should be </ref> to close the reference call... Other than that, it looks good. - J Greb 17:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the first <ref> tag supposed to be <ref/>? —« ANIMUM » 17:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Nopr... ref runs <ref> cite </ref>. The only time <ref/> would showup is if the ref hase been named and it's the 2nd call, such as: <ref name="Mult1"> cite2 </ref> and later <ref name="Mult1"/>. - J Greb 17:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• OK, I think what happened is when I took out the original reference in favor of the template I accidentally took out the closing tag of the template instead of the opening tag of the old reference. Just tried it again and it works. But now what is this about the 2nd call? Because I have multiple notes from the same source. Is there somethign else I'm supposed to do for the second and subsequent cite of it? Otto4711 17:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Otto, please see WP:FN#Citing a footnote more than once for a detailed explanation and examples. Hoof Hearted 18:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

An essay I've written

Hello. Since we often express similar arguments in deletion debates, I thought you might want to read an essay I've written, found at User:Eyrian/IPC. I'd be interested to hear any feedback on its talk page. --Eyrian 15:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Cincinnati Kid

I noticed that you re-nominated The Cincinnati Kid for GA-status. That's fine by me, but I thought I should let you know that someone took it off the GA nominees page pretty much as soon as you put it back. I guess they just assumed it was a mistake since I had already failed it. So you might want to add it back, perhaps with an in-line explanation or something. Good luck. Drewcifer3000 01:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Adminship

Hi Otto, I have been seeing some of your contributions of late and on digging a little deeper I find that you are not an admin nor apparently has your nomination ever been raised, despite your ample record. So: would you be interested in a nomination? Please feel free to email me. (Btw, you may wish to archive your talk page - getting a bit long...) Eusebeus 11:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

First, you might want to consider archiving your talk page.

• My earnest and sincere apologies; I should have been more diligent in reviewing the above before bringing it up. I can see why you don't want to go through that shit again. The level of abuse you received was totally ridiculous and disheartening. Moreover, based on what I saw, you were essentially sandbagged by a less-than-stellar cast of characters. Eusebeus 12:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  PS - I should archive my talk page, but as I'm involved in an outstanding RfC and the evidence was placed on my page, I don't want to bury it in an archive until the matter is resolved).

Please be careful!

Please review this edit you made. You tried to remove trivia from Schrödinger's cat in popular culture, but you accidentally chopped off the references as well. Please, please be more careful in future! Carcharoth 16:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and feel free to remove the trivia. Just don't remove the references and notes section at the bottom. Carcharoth 16:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Carcharoth 17:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

7th Heaven - Family Tree

Hi!

Do you know how to edit the Family Tree listed here? The Kinkirk page should list Kevin and Ben's younger sister Mary-Emily (I think the second half of her name is Emily).

Also shouldn't it list their stepfather, Frank?

Star Trek production staff

Thanks for clearing up Category:Star Trek. Was there a specific discussion on this somewhere, or did you do it on general principles? I ask because I intend to create an article List of Star Trek production staff and any discussion on them might be germane. - Fayenatic london (talk) 15:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Film lists

Hi Otto. Sure: there were certainly a majority of people arguing for deletion although some of the arguments, especially the "what's next? Film featuring draperies?", were extremely weak. Note also that a few opined that this should be turned into a category which indicates to me that they find some value in the content. However, there's overwhelming consensus, established time and again in CfD that these categories are not a good idea because of category clutter and that they should be listified! I can add that to the closing rationale if you prefer. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 19:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)