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| :Couple of comments here. 1st, calls for violence are irrelevant. Mr. ] had repeatedly made calls for violent regime change against current Russian regime and it did not cause British authorities to withdraw his protection. You can respect or hate dissidents who're calling for a violent struggle against regimes they consider hostile, but they do not stop being dissidents because of that. 2nd, my (Estonian) source says that Estonia tries to issue an international arrest warrant, not to request a legal assistance from Russia. That is enough to consider Mr. Mirny persecuted, as Egyptian guy had not been tried either, he was just arrested. Estonians did not arrest Mr. Mirny for the lack of trying. ] 18:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC) | :Couple of comments here. 1st, calls for violence are irrelevant. Mr. ] had repeatedly made calls for violent regime change against current Russian regime and it did not cause British authorities to withdraw his protection. You can respect or hate dissidents who're calling for a violent struggle against regimes they consider hostile, but they do not stop being dissidents because of that. 2nd, my (Estonian) source says that Estonia tries to issue an international arrest warrant, not to request a legal assistance from Russia. That is enough to consider Mr. Mirny persecuted, as Egyptian guy had not been tried either, he was just arrested. Estonians did not arrest Mr. Mirny for the lack of trying. ] 18:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :By the way, thank you for adding proof to evidence list for ]. You appeared on this page to revert my edit and then started to randomly shuffle paragraphs. Do you hope this would be considered legitimate edits, not related to revert wars you started? ] 18:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC) | :By the way, thank you for adding proof to evidence list for ]. You appeared on this page to revert my edit and then started to randomly shuffle paragraphs. Do you hope this would be considered legitimate edits, not related to revert wars you started? ] 18:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :I don't get it - how could person from foreign country, with foreign citizenship, who probably has never been in Estonian soil and has nothing to do with Estonian regime himself, be called "dissident"? And if he has somehow broken Estonian law, how could legal measures, taken against him, qualify as "persecution"? Applying same logic, isn't then every ordinary scriptkiddie, acting against foreign country webpages, somehow dissident, and battle against international cybercrime - oh dear - systematic persecution of dissidents?<br />Well, RJ, I think that you owe us here a bit more explanations, or maybe some '''independent''' sources that would also call mr Mirny "dissident". Otherwise, I'm afraid we have to remove this section.<br />--] 13:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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I'd suggest that the definition is far beyond a professional or citizen journalist. Dissidents aren't always from the media domain.
Propaganda-pushing by RJ CG
RJ CG has repeatedly attempted to claim that "Aljoša Mirnõi" is:
- a "cyber-dissident";
- being persecuted by Estonian authorities.
Neither is the case. Mr. "Mirnõi" is a Russian Federation's citizen, living in Russia, who made calls for terrorist attacks on Estonia's infrastructure; hardly a respected mode of dissidency. Furthermore, the extent of this supposed "persecution" is requesting legal assistance from Russia. To the best of my knowledge, this request has not received positive response from Russian authorities so far.
Accordingly, I have reverted. Digwuren 18:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Couple of comments here. 1st, calls for violence are irrelevant. Mr. Berezovsky had repeatedly made calls for violent regime change against current Russian regime and it did not cause British authorities to withdraw his protection. You can respect or hate dissidents who're calling for a violent struggle against regimes they consider hostile, but they do not stop being dissidents because of that. 2nd, my (Estonian) source says that Estonia tries to issue an international arrest warrant, not to request a legal assistance from Russia. That is enough to consider Mr. Mirny persecuted, as Egyptian guy had not been tried either, he was just arrested. Estonians did not arrest Mr. Mirny for the lack of trying. RJ CG 18:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- By the way, thank you for adding proof to evidence list for WP:STALK. You appeared on this page to revert my edit and then started to randomly shuffle paragraphs. Do you hope this would be considered legitimate edits, not related to revert wars you started? RJ CG 18:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't get it - how could person from foreign country, with foreign citizenship, who probably has never been in Estonian soil and has nothing to do with Estonian regime himself, be called "dissident"? And if he has somehow broken Estonian law, how could legal measures, taken against him, qualify as "persecution"? Applying same logic, isn't then every ordinary scriptkiddie, acting against foreign country webpages, somehow dissident, and battle against international cybercrime - oh dear - systematic persecution of dissidents?
Well, RJ, I think that you owe us here a bit more explanations, or maybe some independent sources that would also call mr Mirny "dissident". Otherwise, I'm afraid we have to remove this section.
--Ptrt 13:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)