Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 20:13, 1 September 2007

Hi, I'm George. Feel free to leave me a new message!

Archives

• My 2005 talk page contents are archived over here.
• ...and the first half of 2006 is archived here
• ...and the second half of 2006 is archived here
• ...January, 2007 here
• ...Febuary, 2007 here
• ...March, 2007 here
• ...April, 2007 here
• ...May, 2007 here
• ...June, 2007 here

Defend each other

(see prior and http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?DefendEachOther)

Thanks for your thanks! I saw your note to Lar and your mention of it above reminded me. It's a great idea. Do you want or need any help with it? --Guinnog 05:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Count me in, please. --Guinnog 06:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Added User:Georgewilliamherbert/DefendEachOther - Georgewilliamherbert 00:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand now that I shouldn't have tried to defend myself when I was attacked by Synaptic on the Talk:VEST page, but it was not their first attack and no one pointed it out to me before. They keep doing it and I had never read the WP:COI before until you pointed it out. Thank you. It helped. It's very difficult not to react to such attacks and just sit there waiting for someone to care to respond. If no one ever responds, especially if they don't know what is going on, who is right and who is wrong, the attack remains there for everyone to read and possibly also to make different real life decisions assuming that you have nothing to say to it and that you left in shame. Where do we go to cry for help? Ruptor 09:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA

Hi, I asked you an optional question on your RFA, thought i'd mention it here since it can be easy to miss new questions. Garion96 (talk) 12:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm following up offline with Doc, I will answer it after that's had a chance for some discussion. Reasonable question. Georgewilliamherbert 23:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I supported your RFA, but I'd like an assurance that you won't end up building a temple of hate to Arthur. Guettarda 17:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Arthur has nothing to worry about. The whale, now... Georgewilliamherbert 23:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Hey, he's just zis whale, you know... Guy (Help!) 09:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!

If you have questions, feel free to leave a talk page message for me or any other admin. Again, congratulations! Essjay (Talk) 03:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well. Regards, Newyorkbrad 04:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto, congrats. The Rambling Man 08:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Good luck. I hope you become a successful administrator. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 09:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You hope he becomes one? :) Have you seen how highly many people think of him? Congratulations George, I'm pleased to see that your RfA has been successful. Based on the opinions of others I trust I'm convinced you'll be (and have been) a valuable asset to the project. To the extent it can help you be an even better contributor, please do continue to consider the concerns raised. - Taxman 14:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

This user is an administrator on the English Misplaced Pages

Awesome! Herewith a gift... Well done, I look forward to even better times working with you. ++Lar: t/c 18:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, and keep up the good work! -- Chris 73 | Talk 23:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Smile

AFUSCO has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

AFUSCO 19:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

RFCU on Flanders888

In doing clerking duties, I have moved your checkuser request to the "outstanding requests" section (requests awaiting checkuser action). Technically, the request is non-compliant because of improper coding but I have not placed it under the "non-compliant requests" section. This message is FYI, no response is required or requested. VK35 17:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

comments in the capacity of an editor, not in the capacity of doing any WP clerking duties

Why can't you just block Mrfggc88west for vandalism only edits? Checkusers' time is valuable because they get so many requests. Some requests take a long time to do. Again, no response is requested, just an idea for you. VK35 18:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I looked at some of Mrfggc88west's edits. This is just terrible!VK35 18:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XV (May 2007)

The May 2007 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

This is an automated delivery by grafikbot 14:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you explain?

I noticed you restored Brown's gas although the AfD clearly stated it was meant to delete HHO gas and its equivalent Brown's gas. Since both are not supported by WP:RS I am confused as to why you think the AfD did not specifically address both articles because of WP:NN, WP:RS and WP:OR. Nomen Nescio 20:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Brown's gas

The problem is conflating HHO and Brown's gas. Brown's gas is a longstanding chemistry term of the art, with clear historical background, and it's also still used in some materials processing industry. HHO is pseudoscience crap, if you'll pardon the mild profanity. If Brown's gas needs proper sourcing et al, then it should be sourced. Tarring Brown's gas with any HHO feathers is a mistake and a majority of the AFD voters seem to clearly realize that.

That they happen to refer to the same physical thing doesn't make both pseudoscience.

Anyways, that's my reasoning. We should fix/reference Brown's gas, sure. But it's not pseudoscience. Georgewilliamherbert 21:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not that simple. Both have aspects of legitimate science, aspects of protoscience/pseudoscience, and aspects of a hoax. Look at the Brown's gas claims of nuclear transmutation, for instance. (Oh wait, you can't; the article was deleted out of process...)

A lot of the bogosity like "sublimation" (actually oxidation) of tungsten has been claimed for both gases.

The welding part is perfectly legit, though not very useful in reality, according to some of the things I have read. (Can weld aluminum great, but can't weld steel...)

The water-fuelled car part is an obvious hoax. (Though this is mostly claimed by the reporters, and not the proponents themselves. Never trust a journalist when science is involved.) — Omegatron 01:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

Hi there. I see that I was blocked last month by you and requested unblocking, it was declined by Viridae (here) stating that "the sockppuppetry alone is well worth 48 hrs". If you will look at this (copied from ], no 84) you will see that a) I had explained away the alleged sockpuppetry, b) it had already been dealt with (and no ban was felt necessary), c) after I took steps to prevent usage of my wi-fi by other user/neighbours, it stopped, and in any case d) it had happened weeks before this ban. In your blocking of me you did not mention sockpuppetry. As for the incivility, I think I made good points, although should have made it clear I was quoting. Is there anyway to remove a block from the system after it has expired? L.J.Skinner 12:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Aha

You are apparently one of those people who yells "abuse" immediately something happens they don't like? First, process for the sake of process violates WP:NOT. Second, despite your claim, after thirteen discussions already, this is in no way a "no consensus" issue. Third, removal of other people's comments is bad. Fourth, false accusations of abuse is also bad. Fifth, despite your claim I used no admin powers here. And sixth, you are an involved user with respect to this issue. All in all your actions here are highly inappropriate. >Radiant< 19:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• And your right to randomly accuse people you disagree with of abuse ends at the preview button. WP:CIV exists for a reason. >Radiant< 16:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Citation policy

Georgewilliamherbert, your recent edits to Double hull are in violation of wikipedia policy. Uncited-tagged passages may be removed at any time and are NOT subject to reversion WITHOUT providing the required sources. Please see the talk page at Talk:Double_hull. Alvis 06:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Gene Pool

You know, you're right. This is ridiculous. I refuse to participate in something so juvenile, and Gene obviously isn't going to listen to anything anyone says. Consider me out. --Captain Wikify 19:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

One more comment, though: User talk:Gene Poole/genepooleisevil is nothing more than Gene attempting to justify abuse of other editors. There are something like two people on the page who have actually been blocked for incivility, so chances are good that Gene initiated the arguments in the first place. And everything on the page s taken completely out of context; for instance, he keeps adding (and I keep removing) a section that says " 'a dick'- Captain Wikify ". I did not call Gene a dick, I said that he was acting like a WP:DICK. There is a clear difference, yet Gene continues to add my name and make it look like I'm an abusive vandal. Honestly, I think the page shouldn't even exist - most of the people on it are legitimate editors who said one thing that was made to say another by Gene when he took them out of context. --Captain Wikify 20:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I just took a while to type it out. --Captain Wikify 20:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I know... It's terrible timing, as the dispute hasn't even ended yet. But from what I'm seen, Gene is stubborn enough to continue adding my name to the page, and I know for a fact I'm stubborn enough to continue removing it. We'd both be in serious trouble because it would escalate to one of us blatantly attacking the other or me breaking the 3RR rule over and over and over; I figured that I'd try and MFD the page as quickly as possible to prevent this by getting rid of the page completely. I would appreciate your comment on the MFD. --Captain Wikify 20:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

This is why I MFD'd it. I absolutely refuse to allow him to leave that there. --Captain Wikify 23:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Courtesty Blanking

FYI, courtesy blanking is a rare but recurring event. We even have {{afd-privacy}} to use when it is done. It should be done when the blanked AFD content is privacy invading and harmful or is libelous. It should not be done lightly; WP:CBLANK (a section of Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy) says as a final caution "Courtesy blanking is extremely rare, and should not be performed lightly." GRBerry 15:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Ooops...

But I apologised in advance. Besides I wasn't attacking, I was trying to make a valid point. T_T

Okay

I'm leaving things as is. I was planning on just letting the MFD run its course and opting out any sort of argument, but Gene has been pushing my buttons all day, and it's getting ridiculous. You've seen my comments on Radiant's talk page, the AN, and the MFD, so you know where I stand. Other than that, I've had it with Gene and his childish actions. --Captain Wikify 23:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The only "childish actions" here are yours. You attacked and threatened and name-called me. You did so entirely without provocation. Had you not done so I would not even be aware of your existence, yet you chose to do so anyway. You were warned for doing so, yet you continued and still continue to do so. When you stop it and apologise the matter will be dropped. That's all there is to it. --Gene_poole 23:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I'd point this out

I'm no expert, but if you ask me, this constitutes as abuse. --Captain Wikify 01:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Taken to AN: --Captain Wikify 03:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for your level-headed response to GP and CW. Cheers, >Radiant< 11:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Unreferenced articles

Response at Wikipedia_talk:Unreferenced_articles#Deleting_articles_is_wrong_approach Jeepday (talk) 03:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Macfan93

I understand that Macfan93 has been deleting contents from Mac OS X, however, I am just wondering what is the blocking policy. As Macfan93 was first given warning at 00:15, but his/her last edit was 00:14. It would be great if you can verify for me so that I would know when to report user next time. --Cyktsui 07:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

More User:Ron liebman

Another IP (Special:Contributions/149.4.108.51) has popped up this morning, in the same block of IPs in the sockpuppet report. I've reached the end of my 3RRs on a few of the articles already. Is there a better place to report this? Neier 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It's blocked, and for a while. I've also asked Netsnipe to please do another range block, since the previous one only seemed to make Ron ornier. We shall see... *sigh* -Ebyabe 00:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Suppressor

I do not have access to the books cited for other facts in the article, by "Poulsen et al" as you write - did you mean Paulson? Since you reverted my tag saying the books clearly confirm the detail in question, can you please add to the article with the appropriate citation tag for this sentence? I can't add it myself, for I do not have access to these works. I'm putting the tag back up in the meantime, but please remove it as soon as you can confirm which book contains the citation. Alvis 07:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/CharlotteWebb

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/CharlotteWebb. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/CharlotteWebb/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/CharlotteWebb/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 23:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages content for children, and olpc

I'm glad you had a chance to hear mary lou speak; she's something else. I'd love to talk about this more -- we should create a wikiproject for it. Are you ever on IRC? I'll be online and meeting about just this tomorrow b/t 1200 and 1600 EST.

Also, the OLPC-related articles on here are a total mess. Please see Talk:XO-1_(laptop)#Requested_move_and_split and lend a hand if you can; I'd rather not hack at the article myself.

Until soon, +sj + 00:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps something like Misplaced Pages:WikiProject OEPC for the one encyclopedia per child project? Something that should be related to the WP:1.0 efforts (they would like to be involved as well). +sj + 02:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XVI (June 2007)

The June 2007 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

This is an automated delivery by grafikbot 13:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

To Georgewilliamherbert ((Unblock))

What do you want me to do to prove my SABR identity and to more along the "reinstatement" process. See my talk page. --199.219.151.206 17:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC) (Ron Liebman)

I believe he is also discussing the matter with Baseball Bugs. Perhaps you should contact him, Mr. Herbert, to acquire additional information on this matter. Thank you for your time. :) -Ebyabe 18:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

A36 steel

My source is my own practice. A36 is used for rolled shapes other than wide-flange shapes -- angles and channels being the most common. A992 (a 50 ksi steel) is the preferred steel for wide-flange shapes which make up the vast majority of steel in most structures. Most plate is A36 or A572 Grade 50.

Take a look at AISC's steel availability site, and this 2003 article from Modern Steel Construction. MARussellPESE 03:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Ron liebman

I've posted a thread at the admin noticeboard regarding his currently outstanding unblock request, since it seems discussion may have stalled. Looks like you've had some involvement in this, so I thought I should let you know. Feel free to comment. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:BWB-Composite.png listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:BWB-Composite.png, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. -N 22:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

I think perhaps both. :-) Cheers, Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 03:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Smile

--AFUSCO has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

--AFUSCO 01:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

big page

you should consider archiving this long talk page--AFUSCO 01:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Cover art, and Template:album cover fur

There is in fact a widespread "using image for identification is OK" cnsensus. Please don't be damaging templates in this manner. Georgewilliamherbert 20:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

There has been no discussion to support that. Asserting that there is consensus does not make it so. --bainer (talk) 02:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Additional Moog

Morning

I'm just writing to ask how my comment stating that there are in fact previous members of the "lo fi band" Additional Moog classes as vandalism?? There are ex members, surely the entry is incomplete if it excludes this fact?

Thanks

Vacuum energy, fluctuations in the quantum vacuum, electromagnetic quantum vacuum, ZPE fluctuations/sea of energy, ... a.k.a. 'Aether'

Dear Administrator: related to your edition and to your comment alleging WP:RS, please allow to indicate the Wikilink to my shared answer: . In order to complement the answer please allow also to present a few words, from an aerospace engineer; words which very well convey my lay perception on this subject:

"The concept of the aether has returned in the form of the dynamic fluctuating vacuum energy that fills so-called empty space everywhere in the universe. The physics of the vacuum is shaping up as a major theme of frontier science in the 21st century." in

Thank you for the attention that you have devoted to my editions.

P.S.: It was nice read at your user page, only afterwards, that you work in the aerospace engineering; i am a systems admin, not a physicist, but coincidently my brother works in the aerospace engineering too. See you :-)

Info

Thanks for the info. I'll be more careful next time. Izzy007 00:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Indef blocks

Thanks - I've tweaked those two to a month each while I look at them again. ELIMINATORJR 03:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

In that case, does test5 still work? bibliomaniac15 03:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Closure

Pascal an admin? No. So you just closed a debate controversially that you participated in, and that after calling me insane. Doesnt look good, SqueakBox 20:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal of my comments

A user is removing my comments from a talk page. Please intervene. --Ideogram 15:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The comments were entirely inappropriate, and disturbingly one-sided. See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Chinese apartheid#Ideogram's statement. Jayjg 17:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

He just doesn't get it. Now he has taken it upon himself to refactor the page. Please advise him not to touch other people's comments. --Ideogram 19:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I've just moved major standalone comment blocks to the bottom, and given them titles, for easier navigation. Must everything be a battle with you? Must you always assume bad faith and make uncivil comments about me? Jayjg 19:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I am trying to be civil. As an involved party you have no right to touch other people's comments. --Ideogram 19:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Huh? Where is that rule written? I haven't modified comments, I just re-organized the page for easier readability, navigation, and editing. I was quite careful with what I moved, to make sure none of them depended on previous posts, but were standalone comments. I'm getting the impression that your objection is not with what was done, but with the fact that I did it. Jayjg 20:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not a question of bad faith. No matter how good your intentions are, you should not trust yourself to edit other people's comments in a debate you are involved in, and no one else should trust you either. --Ideogram 20:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't "edit" comments, I moved them into sections. And you haven't trusted me from the start, this has been one of the most egregious displays of bad faith I've seen. Your bad faith doesn't make me untrustworthy, nor does it mean that any action I take should be automatically protested. Jayjg 20:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The fact that I think you are involved in POINT has nothing to do with telling you to not touch other people's comments. It is a basic principle of human nature that we cannot trust ourselves to be objective about matters we are emotionally involved in. You don't seem to grasp that. --Ideogram 20:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator selection

The Military history WikiProject coordinator selection process is starting. We are looking to elect nine coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by August 14! Kirill 03:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism of Enola Gay Article

George:

I posted the following on the Enola Gay talk page. I don't know if you monitor that article, but you might be interested in the vandalism issue.

I was wondering why this article was so spare, compared with its sister article on Bockscar. A hint was on this talk page, where I saw discussion of things that were not now in the Enola Gay article. When I searched History to see when they were taken out, I learned that at 16:02 on May 18, 2007, a vandal with the screenname of Eric1sr had replaced the entire World War II History section with "enola gay was a flamer." Within the minute, MartinBot had reverted the vandalism and graffiti. Two minutes later Eric1sr struck again, removing the World War II History section, and again eight minutes after that, removing the Subsequent History section. This time, MartinBot didn't catch it.

At 16:30 the same day, a live user, Nexonen, eliminated the graffiti, but did not restore the missing sections. For the next three months, people kept trying to add information to flesh out the article, but no one noticed that the problem was uncorrected vandalism.

HowardMorland 03:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Page Move Help

Hello, I need help with a move. Maple Hill Pavilion redirects to Maple Hill Mall. I would like for it to be the opposite, for Maple Hill Mall to link to Maple Hill Pavilion.

Maple Hill Pavilion is the current name of this mall, so I think that Maple Hill Mall should be mentioned in the article, but not be the title because the name is no longer being used.

Thanks for your help! --Nenyedi Deeds_@ 00:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

foam plasma pressure fallacy

I have written you regarding your refference to "foam plasma". I read the article, but unfortunately did not retrieve it. I am not a physiscist, nor a scholar by any means. I am however, a skilled mechanic, and Veteran Marine. As a cold war Veteran, I obviosly stay abrest of the potential of NBC threats.

I checked on your suggested article, 4.4.4.3.2. I also took a look at some simplified drawings(called 'schmatics') of the Teller-Ulam device. In particular, (as relating to your comments), I noticed in section 4.4.2, on page 6 of 4.4,elements of a thermonuclear device, a distinct depiction of a "POLYSTYRENE FILLED RADIATION CHANNEL"

As a simple heavy equipment mechanic, I can understand how radiation and pressure travels this channel very quickly, I do however, agree with you that the polystyrene is nothing ore than a material that simply vaporizes under fission detonation.

I mean, for crying out loud, a fusion bomb is just an advaced fission bomb, used to compress fusionable materials to critical mass.

The Teller-Ulam device is similar to early gun-type fission bombs. They simply used a fission reacton to compress different materials.

I don't know the math used at all, and I barely understand the Alarm Clock?Layer Cake thing, but I do know that I can obliterat polystyrene with my cigarette, cigarette lighter, acytelene torch, and my shotgun, and never produce fusionable plasma.

good job.

Cowboyo31

I wanted to add that I believe the polystyrene "radiation channel" may be nothing more than an alignment tool for other components. Perhaps it is called a "Radiation Channel", becouse in the 50's, we had our coffee in paper cups. Velcro was first used on the Apollo 11 mission in '69 for Gods sake,

WP:BJAODN

The whole department was deleted, including its dozens of subpages. The Transhumanist 18:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, although you restored Misplaced Pages:Bad_Jokes_and_Other_Deleted_Nonsense, the page mostly consists of redlinks to deleted content at this point. --Hyperbole 18:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I answered on Transhumanists' page, but for anyone else... Yes, I noticed that a few minutes later. I'm in the process of undoing all the individual subpage deletes, too. Please be patient, it takes a bit of manual effort for each one. Georgewilliamherbert 19:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

the deleted redirects can be found (as redlinks) at Misplaced Pages:Project shortcuts. The Transhumanist 19:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm just going back through Alkivar's admin log and restoring from there. Georgewilliamherbert 19:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It's improper of you do so with the DRV going on, particularly as you don't appear to have discussed the matter with Alkiver beforehand (this being, near as I can tell, your first communication with him). I'm asking you to reverse yourself pending the outcome of DRV. Best, Mackensen (talk) 01:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I second Mackensen's request. You are wheel warring, which is inappropriate behavior for any admin. >Radiant< 08:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Please see User talk:Mackensen. Georgewilliamherbert 08:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I do hope you're aware of the irony in your statement there? >Radiant< 09:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Setting aside whether BJAODN should be deleted or not, I'd like to express my respect for you, that having perceived another admin's action as wrong, you have firmly reverted it and stood by your opinion, even when faced of accusations of wheel warring (which are false, because pure sanity, if not WP:WHEEL, requires multiple reverts to constitute a wheel war). Admins are not infallible and one must be bold enough to revert when feeling another's decision is wrong. Миша13 13:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it would have been far more appropriate to wait for the DRV to finish instead of restoring content that may be copyright infringement. ((1 == 2) ? (('Stop') : ('Go')) 16:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I started before there was anything at DRV, there wasn't a process short-circuit. Georgewilliamherbert 17:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately that is not quite true. Hisspaceresearch opened a DRV at 18:22 and notified Alkivar on his talk page at 18:26. Your first undelete was at 18:40. True, that's less than 20 minutes apart, but if you had attempted to disucss the issue with Alkivar first you would have seen the DRV notice. You continued to undelete until 19:50, after both an MFD and a DRV had been filed. See User:Thatcher131/temp#Timeline if you are curious (and if I have made a mistake, please correct it). Thatcher131 18:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

(cc'ed from User talk:Thatcher131)

Your timeline (of edits) is correct, but misses what I was doing between edits. As I have repeatedly stated, there was no DRV or MFD open when I started off on a loop of non-edit research that took me to the eventual start of the undeletes. That research included looking at... I forget, reviewing last version before deletion history logs on twenty or so of the individual articles Alkivar had deleted, his admin logs for the last 500 edits, his edit logs to see if he was still logged in, and a couple of other things (in which I missed the AN discussion from the night before on first pass, but found it a bit later after I started the undeletes).

"Doing your homework" in something like this necessarily involved a lot of stuff that wasn't edits. One can properly fault me for not checking DRV again after the first major research scan, before starting the undelete. But there wasn't anything on DRV when I started. Georgewilliamherbert 18:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

BJAODN Arbitration

I have the Arbitration committee to review the deletion and undeletion of BJAODN. Thatcher131 14:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

re User:Tmayes1999 and your report at WP:ANI

Hi. I am writing here since it appears that no other admin has commented at ANI. I note from the contribs history that Tim has gone quiet. Since blocking is properly a preventative measure I see no point in pursuing action against him at this time. If he starts up again then it will have to be looked at at that time. Do you concur? If he does make the same type of edits, please feel free to contact (and remind) me of this instance. Cheers. LessHeard vanU 20:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Strathvooey

I have a proposal for you-

If we can prove Strathvooey's existence within 2 months you will put the following on your personal page:

"Strathvooey is real- I am a Donkey for not believing it" and, obviously, add Strathvooey to the list of micronations.

In return- should we fail to prove Strathvooey's existence we will leave wikipedia alone for good- I figure this is a reasonable forfeit as there are alot of Strathvooey supporters out there who will gladly continue adding it to your list of micronations should you refuse this offer.

Yours, 172.142.127.73

P.S

172.143.176.232 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

roll eyes

Look, this is serious. We can't be having encyclopedia articles for subjects on which there is no available reliable information source. Please knock it off until there is some reliable verifyable reference information on it.

If you can source it, you can add it back in, no problem. But to do that, stop arguing with me, and go find the reliable sources... Georgewilliamherbert 00:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm done for now... I may change it again tomorrow if I can be bothered... then again maybe I'll turn to constructive editing... Misplaced Pages has been to me in the past- perhaps I will give something back to the community. I'll let you know how that turns out. Goodnight.

Military history WikiProject coordinator election

The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please vote here by August 28! Wandalstouring 08:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BJAODN

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BJAODN. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BJAODN/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BJAODN/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 16:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Signpost and BJAODN

You're listed as an involved party in the BJAODN case. The Misplaced Pages Signpost will be covering the events in this week's issue. Alkivar asked that I talk to him to avoid misconstruing his words, so in the interest of fairness I'm offering you the opportunity to do so as well.

I'd be happy to talk to any/all of you regarding the case, but I don't have any questions to ask at this point, and won't be able to write anything until Monday morning UTC, at the earliest. If you have any general statements you'd like to make to me, to clear up any misconceptions, or clarify your opinion, please feel free to e-mail me. Also, if you have any quotes in particular that you think best qualify your point, either published on-wiki, or sent to me via e-mail, I'd appreciate them. Since the case has many important issues that need to be mentioned, I want to make sure that I don't miss anything, or misrepresent anyone's views.

(Any uninvolved parties who wish to send me an e-mail can, of course, do so as well). Ral315 » 06:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

A copy of an email which I sent to unblock-en-l@lists.wikimedia.org requesting that the duration of the 6 month block which you imposed on my account be reduced:

I am User:24.168.46.238 who was recently blocked from Misplaced Pages for six months by a Misplaced Pages administrator named "Georgewilliamherbert".

Since my user talk page was protected by "Mr.Z-man" only 4 minutes after the block was issued by "Georgewilliamherbert", I was denied the opportunity to post an unblock request. I'd like to request that I be give the opportunity to do so now:

I know that I was wrong for threatening legal action against "CyberGhostface", but I had asked him to stop bothering me by posting repeated warnings on my user talk page for minor violations of Misplaced Pages's rules, and he refused. I believe that he had a vendetta against me, as he seemed to be tracking my every edit, just waiting for me to do something in violation of Misplaced Pages' s rules so he could post another warning on my user talk page, which he knew would aggravate me and cause me to lose my temper. "CyberGhostface" had previously gotten me blocked for personal attacks, and I was stupid enough to fall for his ploy to get me blocked again. I lost my cool, and posted things on my user talk page that I shouldn't have. I know that there was no excuse for my behavior, and for that, I am very sorry.

I'd like to respectfully ask that you shorten the duration of by block, as I feel that six months is far too harsh of a punishment. I was initially issued a 48 hour block by one administrator, but 7 hours later (without me making any additional offensive edits or postings on Misplaced Pages), it was arbitrarily extended to 6 months by another administrator.

I promise that once my editing priviliges are reinstated, I will no longer engage in the kind of conduct (personal attacks, threats of legal action) that got me blocked. After reinstatement, I intend on creating an account on Misplaced Pages, and I will make constructive additions to the project. I invite you to check up on me periodically to see that I am keeping my word to you!

I also promise to you that will have no further contact with "CyberGhostface", and since I have no intention of violation Misplaced Pages's rules in the future, he has no valid reason whatsoever to contact me or to post warnings on my user talk page.

I feel that a reduction in the duration of my block is warranted, considering the questionable circumstances of how my block was arbitrarily increased from 48 hours to 4320 hours.

Again, please accept my sincere apology for my past behavior on Misplaced Pages, and thank you for your consideration!

Note: I am using a friend's computer (IP Address: 64.38.198.61) simply to post this notice on the user talk page of the administrator who increased my block from 48 hours to 6 months. I am not a "sockpuppet", and I have no intention of using my friend's computer again.

64.38.198.61 14:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to note, the statements made by 24.168.46.238 are false. Specifically, the claim 'I was initially issued a 48 hour block by one administrator, but 7 hours later (without me making any additional offensive edits or postings on Misplaced Pages), it was arbitrarily extended to 6 months by another administrator.'

24.168.46.238 got the 24 hour block at 16:01, 16 August 2007 . At 16:41, 16 August 2007, he threatened 'I will, however, be in contact with a private investigator in order to find the true identity and location of CyberGhostface' . Edward321 14:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Just so you are aware, the "minor violations of Misplaced Pages's rules" include blanking the page of User:Spirot, an editor who had left, with "Good riddance!" Nor did I have any ploy to get him banned. I could care less about this editor. I actually told him that once he stopped vandalizing Misplaced Pages, I would leave him alone. Before making any further judgements, I strongly suggest you look at this editor's contributions.--CyberGhostface 16:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I looked at his contributions, and up until his interaction with you, CyberGhostface, he seemed to be making positive edits and contributions to wikipedia. Now let's be honest here... aren't you gloating just a little bit now that 24.168.46.238 has been blocked? If you didn't "have any ploy to get him banned" as you claim, then you wouldn't have continued to antagonize an obviously irate editor. I would advise that in the future, you exercise a little better judgement in dealing with editors who you are having problems and/or an edit war with ...that's Mr. Sockpuppet to you! 09:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

DeLisle

Got a picture of the internals of the DeLisle carbine that could be turned into a diagram for that article? scot 21:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

If you can scan and e-mail the originals, I can help with the line drawings. I managed to make Image:Long_range_tang_sight.png from a photograph in a couple of hours. The adjustment screw and vernier scale were particularly annoying to get right... scot 21:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Smile

AFUSCO has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Hello, Please pass the Smile to three people:)AFUSCO 14:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Silly antics

Someone has boldly moved WP:BJAODN to Misplaced Pages:Silly things without discussion. I would have moved it back, but the move tab is missing from the page! The Transhumanist    03:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

		The Surreal Barnstar
		Without your wildcard act, the BJAODN MfD would never have received enough community input to decide the fate of that seven year old project. As the nominator of that MfD and for playing a significant roll in prompting 113 unique editors to participate in that MfD, I hereby award you The Surreal Barnstar. -- Jreferee 07:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)