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Neo-Mandaic in Iraq

Hi, Aziz. I noticed that you added 'southern Iraq' as a place where Modern Mandaic is spoken to the article Mandaic language (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). All the literature suggests that there are just a small number of speakers around Ahvaz in Iran. It also seems that, although there are substantial groups of Mandaeans in Iraq and in diaspora, that they use Classical Mandaic for worship, but do not know Modern Mandaic or use it in their daily life. The presence of Mandaeans who know Mandaic does not necessarily suggest a Modern-Mandaic-speaking community, as it is more likely that they know Classical Mandaic and use it in a limited sphere of life. Do you have any references that specify Modern Mandaic is spoken in southern Iraq? Thanks. — Gareth Hughes 13:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hamada

Someone just changed the Arabic on Hamada and I have no idea if it's correct. Looks like the Arabic text has received a fair bit of traffic today, might be worth a note on the talk page. WLU 18:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Imru' al-Qais

Hello,

I am the french contributor for the Misplaced Pages page for Imru' al-Qais.

I used the image in the article for the french version too, but I was gsuggested to remove it : the epithah appears to be the one of the father of the father of Imru' al-Qais. (forefather : Amr -> father : Hujr -> poet : Imru)

Bye, Damyenj, 11 june 2007.

nice work

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		I saw image you placed on the Ancient Arabia article that I wrote and it fits perfecty.Keep up the good work!-Vmrgrsergr 23:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi aziz, i wonder if oyu know anything about the people wich are called Shrugi in Iraq. thanksBalu2000 07:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

aha, I see, but i wonder you know wich name i should use for them when i want to create a page about the shrugis in english wikipedia, thanks.Balu2000 15:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping me about. it had been awsome if you helped this article about. ThanksBalu2000 08:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Aziz, first of all thanks for you consern to theese articles. yes i did blank it, i need more information about the shrugs. some say that they are from the Rajputs and Jat soliders when Iraq was a british colony, thanksBalu2000 13:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I don't know hot to request a deletion, can you do it? or can you tell me how to do it, thanksBalu2000 07:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Aha ok, I shall, ThanksBalu2000 11:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Salam. No problem. Chaldean 01:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Template

Yeah, no problem, I'll see where I can place the WikiProject Iraq template.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdalla A (talk • contribs)

Kurdish Chrisitans

I am thinking of reposting the POV check for kurdish Christians and, considering you have benn fairly active on the talk page I would like to here your oppinion on the issue.ChrisLamb 19:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Last night new edits were added while they did reference a lot of material I still consider the Muslim Kurd conversion section biased and I would appreciate it very much if you would add your opinion on these new edits to the discussion ChrisLamb 20:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

No, I will not request a deletion, because its nothing about it that are incorrect, if so, please write your reasons. thanks--Balu2000 11:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

ya hala...man..thanks very much for the Award I really appreciate it. i have a question!!!! what in the Wikimedia Commens???? and how can i upload my photos??? many thanks Issagm 06:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Return

Good to see you back.--الأهواز | Hamid | Al-Ahwaz 01:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Balu on the Akkadians

Hello, I am Balu, an Iraqi Arab. As i ahve noticed that you have been in a huge arguments with another user, but let me corect to you that . Akkadians are not Arabs, they are Semitics but not Arabs, Ask why? hehehe... well because therm "Arab" does orginally means thoose from Desserts, like thoose who lived in the desserts. In Akkad time Arabs where called nabataens. I think many people thinks all Semitics people are Arabs because Arabs are the largest leading Semitic people today. I hope this helped. Balu2000 16:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Balu my friend, Thats not the issue! The issues is that the Akkadians were to be included in the Ancient Arabia article because they live in Arabia not because of who they are. even if the Akkadians were German and they lived in ancient Arabia, we will have to include them in the article. you understand me? --Skatewalk 18:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Why Akkadians should be included in the Ancient Arabia article.

• The Akkadians lived in Arabia before they entered Mesopotamia. (even Elias himself knows that and admited to it)

below are links to neutral non Arab websites. The Akkadians Arabian origin, The Akkadians migration from ArabiaFirst result search for Akkadians

• The article is related to the ancient Arabs, not modern Arabs.
• The article mentions the (Akkadians only) as an ancient Arab tribe before entering Mesopotamia, the rest of the Mesopotamian tribes were not considered Arab. That still didnt work well for Elias!
• Elias simply made it clear that the Akkadians should not be mentioned in Ancient Arabia history just because they were not modern Arabs! although the Eastern branch of Semitic is extinct in the North and the only related languages are still spoken in Arabia Eastern South Semitic
• I also added a section that clearly states that modern Christian Assyrians, Arameans are not Arabs.
• Elias is currently Vandalizing another article I created Ancient Arabia (because he protected Ancient Arabs after merging it to PreIslamic Arabia). Although PreIslamic Arabia (refers to 'asr Aljahiliya) and Ancient Arabia starts from the earliest known civilizations in Arabia. And he deleted the Saudi Wiki project template(?)

Quoting Elias: they lived on Arabia that makes them an ancient tribe of Arabia! — It wasn't called Arabia at that time, and they did not live with any Arab people, because they were the first Semitic people. Arabs didn't exist at the same time as the Akkadians. Why should I not mention them! they are a very important group that lived in Arabia! — At some point in time, the people that are now Germans and Japanese, probably also had ancestors who lived in Arabia. It doesn't make them Arabs. — EliasAlucard|Talk 03:02 14 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

So because Arabia wasnt called ARabia back then, we cant have a istory article on Ancient Arabia! Using his rule, we will ave to Delete every anciet article in Misplaced Pages including Egypt because it wasnt callled Egypt back then!

The ancient Akkadians lived in Arabia, spoke Eastern Semitic. Modern Assyrians speak West Semitic, Eastern Semitic only exists in South Arabia small groups Yemen and Oman today.

• At worse case scenario, Even if the Akkadians spoke an IndoEuropean language, does that exlude them from the history of ancient Arabia!

I will appeciate your help to protect the Ancient Arabia and [[Ancient Arabs articles both are being force-merged by Elias to the smaller Pre-Islamic Arabia article.

A look at Elias history and his sock puppet User:Dbachmann and you will se the organized extremist Assyrianist edits. He will not acept any evidence even if Sargon himself came to beg him to keep the article about his original homeland in Arabia, he will call Sargon an Arabist! And for the record look at my edits. I never delete any work, and my edits in the Arab article had teh ARab population at 200Millions instead of 350million because I disagree with imposing Arab identity on non Arabs. And ancient Arabia doesnt have anything to do with modern political Arabism!--Skatewalk 13:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

First of all, this source, makes it very clear that they aren't Arabs. It says, very clearly, that the Akkadians were a Semitic people living originally on what is now known as the Arabian peninsula. This is more like wishful thinking from Skatewalk that the Akkadians were Arabs. Second of all, he hasn't used academic sources (that source is apparently published by Washington State University, but it's just an essay or something, not exactly rock solid content). And really, User:Dbachmann isn't my sockpuppet. I dislike most of his edits, though we can agree sometimes, but that's very rare. Yes, all Semitic peoples probably have a common origin, since they after all, all speak Semitic languages. Doesn't make the Akkadians into Arabs, and they sure as hell didn't call themselves Arabs. They were Proto-Semites, just leave it at that. And no original research please. — EliasAlucard|Talk 16:06 14 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

• First of all it doesn't matter what race or group the Akkadians were they are still a part of Ancient Arabia history! Just like non Italians are part of Ancient Italy history.
• I am not really going to argue who the Akkadians were(because you already proved how closeminded you are in all your arguments with Arameans in other articles). One website said Semitic people living in Arabia, it didnt say non Arabs, the other websites said ancient Arab people and the map clearly puts them in East Arabia!. However, thats not the problem now. The problem is that you are denying the history of ancient Arabia.
• It is simple if they existed in Arabia, they should be listed in the ancient Arabia history.--Skatewalk 21:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The Akkadians lived very briefly on the Arabian peninsula. They were not Arabs. End of discussion. — EliasAlucard|Talk 00:04 15 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

• • The Akkadians are from the Arabian peninsula. Thats not what I call very briefly! Anyways I am glad your exposing yourself with such desperate claims! --Skatewalk 23:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't make a statement yet guys. I am following your very civil discussion here (thanks to you Skate and Elias) and may comment afterwards. Skatewalk, please drop and stop your sockpuppeting accusations. They are inaccurate and baseless. I am hearing both of you. You don't have to be impatient guys. Both of you are good guys. So please, don't put pressure on each other. I'll check all references. Please be patient and give me some few days to update my knowledge. -- FayssalF - 00:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi FayssalF, I will take your word for it, EliasAlucrad just filed a sockpuppet post against me!. (he listed my IP address _ofcourse it will show as mine! it showed up in few edits (never in reverts) it showed up because I forgot to sign in!

• and the other account is of friend I know (alameer). The third I dont know who? Maybe it was setup? to discredit me?, also please notice the last edit on the Arab article. It added by IP 66.171.223.109 the Babylonians and Assyrians are Arab. That was never heard off before and I reverted it so Elias doesnt come and use it as evidence that that IP is me!!.
• Because he has been trying to brush me with the Arabist brush. Although my history edits are all related to ancient Arabia and always oppoesed the Mass Arabization of on Arabs. Instead focusing on the people of ancient Arabia. (never did I mention Egyptians or North Africans as Arabs, I let them decide on their own and I never disrespected those who identify as Arabs, Egyptians or Berber.

Today the easiest thing is pick cheap shots against anything Arab (thats why Elias is so confident he can omit the Akkadians origin from every article, (I didnt even edited it in the Akkadians main page, although their origin remained mysterious, jut so I dont arouse their feelings and because it was a Mesopotamian page). However, Elias doesn't see any need to showrespect to Ancient Arabian pages and made a nam for himself by deleting efforts by atleast 7different users to improve the pages Ancient Arabia and Ancient Arabs. I will let yo to decide y yourself the true reason why Dbachmann joined him the Arab stabbing carnival...(you decide by yourself)

He deliberatley linkd Ancient Arabia article to the modern Arabs so he can get suport from the modern Anti Arabs, even if it was ancient history that doesn't relate anything to whats going on today! Elias made alot of enemies already and I refused to turn this into a piss-off game or I could easily joined the Arameans or Syriacs that he constantly offended by rejecting their self-identifying claims. I never imposed identity on any person. I only state historic facts that he knows! So whats wrong with the Akkadians being listed in Ancient Arabi history? ask him and hear it from him again.--Skatewalk 00:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Arabia

The message was abit confusing since I am not part of the argument. I agree with Cheldan that Arabia is different than Arabs since we are talking about a geographical term. Although I disagree with people saying that Arabs are a pure race since there is No pure race, anyway how can I help?--Aziz1005 22:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Well the problem is that Elias is insiting that the Akkadians should not be included in the Ancient Arabia article, although they originated from Arabia. Myself I know that modern Arab is a cultural/political term that dont translate into the geographical Arabia we are discussing here. Elias is either confused or stubborn. I dont believe in race, let alone an Arab race!--Skatewalk 23:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Arabian vs Modern Arab

Well the problem is the text makes a assumption that Akkadians are Arabs, Arabs as in the people; since Arab is not a region but people. --Vonones 23:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Seen, I got your point of view --Aziz1005 23:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to Arabian, User:Slackster suggeted that we change it to Arabian so it dont get confused with the modern Arab term. Not every Arab is Arabian and vs Versa. Even in some places of Arabia today (West Oman, East Yemen) they dont speak or relate to modern Arabs, instead they maintain an ancient Arabian language and identity --Skatewalk 23:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Requesting feedback regarding edits made on the Incense Route article

Hi, I came across the Incense Route article and noticed that though generally correct this version was lacking footnotes or citations. I've made a few major edits to the article and was hoping for some feedback and suggestions. Kindly take a look into it and tell me what you think about the edits. Best Wishes, Havelock the Dane 09:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for the note. I never thought of editing the Incense Route article to a good article level but I'm seriously thinking about it following your note. Each section can be expanded and a section of the major points of the Incense Route eg. Yemen, Petra etc. can be formed with relative ease. Thank you for your post, it has emboldened me to push that article to good article level, something which was unthinkable for me just a few moments ago. Best wishes and regards, Havelock the Dane 18:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I edited the Incense Route article to GA. It would not have happened if you had not pointed me to it with encouraging words. Thank you, Havelock the Dane 07:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Arab article

As I did read this article, it contains a lot of unusual information, propagandistic views and weasel words in the article Arab. I therefore would like to get a group with me who are able to rewrite this article in a best way to get best results. Anyone who want to join our team add your name below in the Arab Talk page. Please note that after the team has gathered, we will place "under-progress" tag. Irqirq 14:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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Do you think that articles related to Al-Ahwaz/Khuzestan should fall under the Arab Wiki Project, given that this is an Arab-majority region?--▓▒░الأهواز ★ Al-Ahwaz░▒▓ 23:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrections

Thanks for the corrections made to my page. Cs1kh 09:30, 04 September 2007 (UTC)

Improving the Egyptian article

I added it to the Arab world project, it needs to be fixed so we can clearly mention the non Arab minority in Egypt (the Copts) and the Arabized and Ethnic Arab muslims. The article is a mess now, plenty of Afrocentric and Anti-Arab trolling.--Skatewalk 04:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)