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Arab article

As I did read this article, it contains a lot of unusual information, propagandistic views and weasel words in the article Arab. I therefore would like to get a group with me who are able to rewrite this article in a best way to get best results. Anyone who want to join our team add your name below in the Arab Talk page. Please note that after the team has gathered, we will place "under-progress" tag. Irqirq 14:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The newest WikiProject

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WPARAB- "Istifsar/استفسار"

Great job with the Arab Wiki Project...

there is this part i didnt really get, but first to understand my concern, i need to inform you that most of My Contributions are related to Map making... especially the Arab related ones, some in the following topics:

• Arabic
• Arab League
• Arab Maghreb Union
• COMESA
• IGAD
• GAFTA
• Agadir Agreement
• Demographics of the Arab League
• List of Arab League Countries By GDP
• Largest Cities of the Arab League

and planning a Massive update for the Arab Empire's Dynasty maps...

i also Started the Life in the Arab League, after finding a similar Project for the EU and AU...

anyways, what is exactly needed to create Arab Wiki Project Maps???, since it is considered alot of my contributions??

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arab League (talk • contribs) 23:54, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Great job. Thanks for letting me know about your field of contributions because i can now create a new department for maps, images and media (including news articles and books related to the Arab world). I am working on it and i'll be updating you once it is ready. That way you would coordinate w/ other project members on maps and other stuff. -- FayssalF - 00:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Here are you new spaces of work → WP:ARBMED and WP:ARBMEDG. Please read to understand about their functioning and don't forget to add them on your watchlist. Also don't hesitate to ask me if you got any question استفسار or comment regarding any changes you want to see in the project. See you around. -- FayssalF - 02:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

hey

Hey I hope you don't mind, I used your "Free Iraq" and "RESPECT of FAITHS" templates on my page. - Bazel 00:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

no i dont mind, they are for public supporting that cause...

Khwarezm map

Hello, sallam. Thanks for uploading this great map. However, I think two very important cities are missing, that would be Herat and Balkh. Can you please add those also? Thanks. -- Behnam 22:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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Hello

Hello brother,

i saw some of your maps and wanted to ask you which program did you use for creating them?? And what i wanted to say that some maps have some little failurs..but however

asalamu alaikum

plz write you answer here and i visit your page later again to read it. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.68.217.53 (talk) 11:25, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

i used the paint program, simplisity is beauty hunh??

and from where did you get the maps of central Asia??? And which options you used to do that?? because i can´t find anyone. I have picaso. It is ok also?

thanks dear friend/brother

--84.59.101.201 09:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, I'm Korea history...

I discovered a some error in your map.

first, the Sui Dynasty does not occupy the Inner Mongol and the Manchu. because, Goguryeo was maintaining governing the Manchu. And the Korean Peninsula Baekje and Shilla coexisted.

Second, the Liaodong rule of the Tang Dynasty cannot last long. even though Tang was campaign in inner Mongol, but it was not until a Chinese territory.

third, Liao Dynasty territory was not governs in the Korean Peninsula.

I wish the amendment of error. Upload do the amendment map in this site and refer.

Korea history 13:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Maps

Sorry, but I can't offer an opinion on your maps. I am a prisoner of my homework. Best, Aelfthrytha 01:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Maghreb Map Issues

As a courtesy, I am alerting you to my note regarding the Maghreb map you inserted. The present version strikes me as highly problematic and should be adjusted. Please see Maghreb Talk Page. I am not, for present, however, reverting. collounsbury 18:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC).

Mate, I added my comments to your reaction on the Maghreb page and reverted. I am afraid that while I understand your Pan Arabist point of view, your map has to meet Maghreb issues. And let me add no need to give me Arabic or usage lesson mate, we're well beyond that. (collounsbury 22:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Istifsar Dude again...

Assalam A'alaykom (Peace be Upon you)

Im the Istifsar Dude again... anyways... i recently updated several Arab Dynasties maps, and created new ones.. and added them to the Gallery along with others, i also created a template for the Arab States History

Historical Arab states and dynasties
Ancient Arab states Kingdom of Qedar 800 BC–300 BC Kingdom of Lihyan 600 BC–100 BC Nabataean Kingdom 400 BC–106 AD Kingdom of Osroene 132 BC–244 AD Emesene Dynasty 64 BC–300s AD Kingdom of Hatra 100s–241 AD Tanukhids 196–1100 AD Ghassanids 220–638 AD Salihids 300s–500s AD Lakhmids 300s–602 AD Kingdom of Kinda 450 AD–550 AD
Arab empires and caliphates Rashidun 632–661 Umayyads 661–750 Abbasids 750–1258 Fatimids 909–1171
Eastern dynasties Emirate of Armenia 654–884 Emirate of Tbilisi 736–1122 Emirate of Crete 824–961 Dulafids 840–897 Habbarids 854–1011 Kaysites 860–964 Shirvanshah 861–1538 Alavids 864–928 Hashimids 869–1075 Hamdanids 890–1004 Rawadids 955–1071 Mazyadids 961–1150 Jarrahids 970–1107 Uqaylids 990–1096 Numayrids 990–1081 Mirdasids 1024–1080 Munqidhites 1025–1157 Ma'nids 1517–1697 Turabays 1480–1677 Harfushs 1517–1865 Shihabs 1697–1842
Western dynasties and caliphates Salihids 710–1019 Fihrid Emirate 745-757 Umayyad state of Córdoba 756–1031 Muhallabids 771–793 Idrisids 788–974 Aghlabids 800–909 Sulaymanids 814–922 Muslim Sicily 831–1091 Kanzids 1004–1412 Bakrids 1012–1051 Tujibids 1013–1039 Amirids 1020–1086 Abbadids 1023–1091 Yahsubids 1023–1062 Hammudids 1026–1057 Muzaynids 1027–1063 Jawharids 1031–1091 Hudids 1039–1110 Sumadihids 1041–1091 Tahirids 1049–1078 Nasrids 1230–1492 Saadids 1554–1659 Senussids 1837–1969
Arabian Peninsula Imamate of Oman 751–1970 Ziyadids 819–1138 Yufirids 847–997 Ukhaidhirds 865–1066 Rassids 897–1962 Qarmatians 899–1077 Wajihids 926–965 Sharifate of Mecca 968–1925 Sulayhids 1047–1138 Sulaymanids 1063–1174 Uyunids 1076–1253 Zurayids 1083–1174 Nabhanids 1154–1624 Mahdids 1159–1174 Rasulids 1229–1454 Usfurids 1253–1320 Jarwanids 1305–1487 Kathirids 1395–1967 Tahirids 1454–1526 Jabrids 1463–1521 Qasimids 1597–1872 Ya'arubids 1624–1742 Upper Yafa 1800–1967 Muscat and Oman 1820–1970 Rashidids 1836–1921 Qu'aitids 1858–1967 Emirate of Beihan 1903–1967 Idrisids 1906–1934 Mutawakkilite Kingdom 1926–1970
East Africa Makhzumi dynasty (Shewa) 896–1279 Nabahani dynasty (Pate Island) 1203–1894 Mahdali dynasty (Kilwa) 1277–1495 Mazrui dynasty (Mombasa) 1746–1828 Sultanate of Zanzibar 1856–1964 Nabahani dynasty (Wituland) 1858–1895 Tippu Tip's State 1860–1887
Current monarchies 'Alawis (Morocco) 1631–present Al Qasimi (Ras al Khaymah) 1727–present Al Qasimi (Sharjah) 1727–present Al Saud (Saudi Arabia) 1744–present Al Said (Oman) 1749–present Al Sabah (Kuwait) 1752–present Al Nahyan (Abu Dhabi) 1761–present Al Mualla (Umm al-Quwain) 1775–present Al Khalifa (Bahrain) 1783–present Al Nuaimi (Ajman) 1810–present Al Maktoum (Dubai) 1833–present Al Thani (Qatar) 1868–present Al Sharqi (Fujairah) 1900–present Hashemites (Jordan) 1921–present
v t e

, but, i lack modern history knowledge... so can you please help me...

another thing, on my Arab Dynasties project i found several Arab users... so can i invite them into the Arab Wikiproject??

and if yes... is there any formal way you want me to do it??

Ma' Assalsamah (Peace be with you)

Salam AL. Great job. I'll have a look at the template later on. As for the outreach (contacting other potential members) i advise you to avoid it because some people would consider it a kind of spamming. Please read my advice here to another user. You have plenty of other ways to make the project known w/o being accused of spamming. -- FayssalF - 22:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

New Arab Project User Box

Hey i created a user box for the Arab World Project... any comments?? as for sending invitations to other Arabs, yes i agree with you, it might seem rather spammish then an invitation... --User:Arab League 00:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:User WikiProject Arab World

AL, appreciate your initiative but a prior template was already created on August 29 by Aziz1005. Please watchlist WT:ARAB. -- FayssalF - 00:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Maps

Your suggestions for changes to my maps are all valid. I think there are many things which could be changed. Since I left university, however, I've found that I don't have the time to continue mapmaking.

Your maps mark the territories under each dynasty much clearer. I'd suggest a few things: 1. the coloured areas need to be more clearly defined. 2. The cities marked are not accurate for all periods (e.g. Jianye had several name changes, and didn't exist before the third century) 3. the eastern coastline follows the modern coastline of China, in ancient and medieval times it would have been further to the west. But great effort nonetheless!

The Arab Atlas project is a great effort. I wish we had more concerted efforts to make maps for the history of China.

Yeu Ninje 02:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you!

I must thank you for your wonderful work on the maps you have made!Hajji Piruz 03:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Map Tulun

Dear Arab League, I tried to upload one of your drawings in wikipedia commons to use it in the german wikipedia, but I have problems with the license. Please look here and give the permission. Your drawing are to good for only one wiki. Best regards --Jkü 16:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I´m not very familiar with the whole licensing system. The biggest help will be the upload of the pictures and drawings in wikipedia commons instead of the en.wikipedia. In the middle of Europe with our many languages we are used to do so, cause it is the same work and it is very helpful for all the other countries around. Otherwise there had to be uploaded in every wiki the pictures of the Eiffel-tower, of Big-Ben.... And same is with the famous mosques of Cairo. There are some at Mosques in Cairo, but just one of the Tulun. Maybe you can look there. Thanks for your fast answer, best regards--Jkü 05:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Maps of Persia

Hi,

I recently saw your maps of historical Persia and I was impressed with a lot of them. However, I noticed that two of them were inaccurate:

1) Image:Qara Qoyunlu Turcomans 1407–1468 (AD).PNG

This map shows the extent of the Qara Qoyunlu federation after its conquest of Jalayirid Basra in 1432. On the Qara Qoyunlu page this is captioned as showing the maximum extent of their holdings. However, over the period of 1451-1453 Jahan Shah conquered all of Timurid Persia west of Khurasan (although Kerman remained hotly contested), and these were held until the overthrow of the Qara Qoyunlu by the Aq Qoyunlu.

2) Image:Chupanid - Jalayerid dyansty 1337–1432 ad.PNG

In this map, the Chobanids are shown holding none of the territory that they actually historically held, and furthermore hold entirely territory that was never actually held. The Chobanid dynasty was centered in Tabriz and Iranian Azerbaijan in general until 1357, when Malek Asraf was overthrown by an army of the Golden Horde. In 1360 the former Chobanid territories were taken to the Jalayirids.

The Jalayirid Amirate itself, while depicted more accurately than that of the Chobanids, also has its share of errors. The Jalayirids never held Shiraz - this was under the control of the Injuids until 1357, when it was conquered by the Muzaffarids of Yazd/Kerman. In fact their entire eastern border needs to be shifted to the west. Also, the Jalayirids never exercised sovereignty over Georgia, and furthermore their western boundry infringes on the Empire of Trebizond. One other thing I noticed is that they don't hold the region around Basra.

I created a map of Persia and the surrounding regions in 1345 and put it on the Ilkhanate page. It doesn't have any boundaries (I found it too difficult to draw accurate ones in several regions) but it does list the names of most of the players in the region, with the major ones with a larger font:

Image:IranaftertheIlkhanate.png

I hope that you can update these two maps soon. I think what you've done overall with this project is great and its something I was planning to do for a while but never got to. If you have any questions don't hestitate to ask. Keep up the good work! Ro4444 02:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The map for the Ghurids is also inaccurate, because many areas depicted in the map were not conquered by the Ghurids. The Ghurids gave the final blow to the Ghaznavids, and inheritted the southern parts of their realm (modern South-Afghanistan, Pakistan, and northern India) in addition to their traditional fiefdom (Herat and Ghor). Only a few other smaller states in Central Persia were dependent. The rest belonged to the Seljuq Empire. The Ghorids never conquered Iraq or Syria, they did not even conquer western Persia. Here is a link to the correct map: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.153.142 (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Improving the Egyptian article

I added it to the Arab world project, it needs to be fixed so we can clearly mention the non Arab minority in Egypt (the Copts) and the Arabized and Ethnic Arab muslims. The article is a mess now, plenty of Afrocentric and Anti-Arab trolling.--Skatewalk 16:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)