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Thank you for the quick response, I know there's quite a bit of cases on that noticeboard. Anyway, i'll take your advice and step back. I suppose once I you get into it with someone it's difficult to step back and look at things, but I see the reasoning behind letting it be. His comments can't actually damage me anyway. I will let you know if this continues and thank you again for the help! ] 20:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC) | Thank you for the quick response, I know there's quite a bit of cases on that noticeboard. Anyway, i'll take your advice and step back. I suppose once I you get into it with someone it's difficult to step back and look at things, but I see the reasoning behind letting it be. His comments can't actually damage me anyway. I will let you know if this continues and thank you again for the help! ] 20:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Would you please consider helping me with that is related to ? I know you may be busy, so only if you have a little time. Thank you. --] 02:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC) |
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Reagan FAC
I just wanted to thank you for registering a 'support' on the Reagan FAC page. Best, Happyme22 18:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Bot
Hi... I think the bot's been down for several hours. --Rrburke 13:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Why?Rlevse 13:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Wouldn't know. Admins have been asking on WP:UAA for several hours, though.
- Why?Rlevse 13:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- As for company names, I agree: WikiLeon just thought going straight to WP:UAA might be considered biting. My experience is that as soon a an account with a company name is created, the user almost immediately sets about writing a spam article about the company, and going to WP:UAA just avoids the trouble of speedying the article when it comes -- which it invariably does. --Rrburke 13:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with you, we should nip it in the bud.Rlevse 13:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- As for company names, I agree: WikiLeon just thought going straight to WP:UAA might be considered biting. My experience is that as soon a an account with a company name is created, the user almost immediately sets about writing a spam article about the company, and going to WP:UAA just avoids the trouble of speedying the article when it comes -- which it invariably does. --Rrburke 13:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Image:Cedar Badge logo.png
Could you please undelete Image:Cedar Badge logo.png? There are several reasons for an image failing to display, such as glitches in the Mediawiki software or your computer. Did you try purging the cache before deleting the image? —Remember the dot 19:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Everytime I've seen this problem, I check it from different computers, purge the cache, etc. The one solution I've seen that always works is to upload the file as a different name (such as with a '2' appended). Other solutions I've tried rarely work. From what I've seen, the problem usually stems from a glitch during the initial upload, such as with a burp in the Internet connection. But to answer your request, yes, I'll undelete it right now.Rlevse 20:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- That's odd, because it displays perfectly for me. Perhaps your ISP has an interesting caching setup. —Remember the dot 21:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Now it displays for me. Go figure. Rlevse 22:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- That's odd, because it displays perfectly for me. Perhaps your ISP has an interesting caching setup. —Remember the dot 21:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Enigmatode
Thanks for telling me. I actually had it on the main page and the talk page but After Midnight deleted the request from the Main page before you saw it. Then after you, NawlinWiki redirected the whole article to the Morgellons article which does not mention Enigmatode at all. There are no cites in the Enigmatode article and it seems to be original research that is all non-scientific hypothesis. I don't think it is encyclopedic material, and it seems to be a content fork to the Morgellons article. Not sure how to handle this.Ward20 12:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- :) Actually, I did think it was nonsense and completely inplausable, so that is why I tagged it and did not want to incorporate it into the Morgellons article. There are other people editing Morgellons, so maybe they will chime in. Unfortunately, opinions are very polarized on the Morgellons article (but not about Enigmatode, yet) and it is kind of a mess right now with administrators intervening. Well, we will have to be civil about it and work it out. Thanks. Ward20 13:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think it's suitable even for a redirect. It should be deleted. It's an original crackpot theory by a Brad Drew (aka Dr Drew Sabe), now only on the web via google cache: Herd of Swine 15:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. It is nice to have Misplaced Pages administrators that keep things running smoothly. Ward20 03:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Truman
Hi Rlevse. Sorry I never got back to you about Truman. Do you still have needs there? I think I saw Hoary working on it. In any case I'm probably due for a c-editing break, but let me know. –Outriggr § 03:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hi. Just give it a look over if you would. It looks ready for FAC now to me, but others are better at that than I. Thanks.Rlevse 09:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Wrong user
Based on this decision , you blocked the wrong user . -- bulletproof 21:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- Just a heads up but this in at WP:AN/I now. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- I did block the wrong guy. I removed it, protected the page, and apologized. I should stay away from 3RRs-;).Rlevse 22:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- I must observe, I think, that you are laboring under a significant misconception of adminship, viz., one that embraces the idea that admins are fallible and ought not to bristle at their actions' being questioned. As you should be aware, if an admin action you have performed is challenged, you must, even if that action both trivial and erroneous, reply dismissively and immediately close any attempt at AN/I, AN, etc., to invite more users to consider an issue. It's humility and civility like yours here that make me fear that people have forgotten what we're trying to do here—we're building, of course, a battleground of drama, the center of which, in fact, is supposed to be AN/I. You people with your respect for other editors are ruining things for the rest of us; for shame! :) Joe 07:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, but your going to let the other user get away with it? Davnel03 11:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I ended up deciding since three users were involved to protect the page. This is an option available too and is quite common. SlimVirgin made a similar decision around the same time on another 3RR. If the other person continues on this or another article let me know right away, I check wiki often every day unless I'm out of town, and I'll take a personal interest.Rlevse 11:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Aah, OK, if I see him making bad edits, or reverting good info, I'll leave a message here. Thanks anyway. Davnel03 12:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've just sent you an e-mail about something that concerns me - please read it. Davnel03 12:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, but I won't be able to access it until I get home tonight from work. If it requires quicker action, you'll need to utilize another method.Rlevse 14:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've just sent you an e-mail about something that concerns me - please read it. Davnel03 12:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Aah, OK, if I see him making bad edits, or reverting good info, I'll leave a message here. Thanks anyway. Davnel03 12:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I ended up deciding since three users were involved to protect the page. This is an option available too and is quite common. SlimVirgin made a similar decision around the same time on another 3RR. If the other person continues on this or another article let me know right away, I check wiki often every day unless I'm out of town, and I'll take a personal interest.Rlevse 11:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, but your going to let the other user get away with it? Davnel03 11:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I must observe, I think, that you are laboring under a significant misconception of adminship, viz., one that embraces the idea that admins are fallible and ought not to bristle at their actions' being questioned. As you should be aware, if an admin action you have performed is challenged, you must, even if that action both trivial and erroneous, reply dismissively and immediately close any attempt at AN/I, AN, etc., to invite more users to consider an issue. It's humility and civility like yours here that make me fear that people have forgotten what we're trying to do here—we're building, of course, a battleground of drama, the center of which, in fact, is supposed to be AN/I. You people with your respect for other editors are ruining things for the rest of us; for shame! :) Joe 07:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I did block the wrong guy. I removed it, protected the page, and apologized. I should stay away from 3RRs-;).Rlevse 22:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Admin
Hey! I totally just now noticed you were an admin, no idea for how long ..but congratz! :) --Naha| 21:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah I've been back contributing for a few weeks now. I had gotten burned out on Wiki there for awhile ..sorry I kind of just disappeared :P I still keep an eye on the scouting stuff and may re-involve myself again more in the future. Currently I feel I am needed elsewhere: The Pro Wrestling WikiProject is completely disorganized and this is reflected in the articles it maintains. In addition, the participants don't seem to all quite mesh together and most have conflicting views (even regarding the interpretation of Misplaced Pages policy) as far as how articles should be structured, what constitutes relevant information, what is and is not notable, sourcing and well ..pretty much everything really. I brought this up on the Project's discussion page in somewhat of an informal manner a few weeks ago (bringing up specific areas I saw confusion in), but only a few people responded to it, and most of the people I hoped would chime in, did not. Its a mess and I'm trying to get off my rear end and do something about it, but it will be a big undertaking, especially considering the dissension among the ranks that I foresee when I officially attempt the reorganization and restructuring of the project. Anyway ...thats what I'm up to! Hope all is well with you :) --Naha| 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Articles for deletion/Coast Run
The AfD discussion was improperly listed on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/2007 August 21 resulting in two separate discussions being started, one on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/2007 August 21 and one on the article own AfD page. The discussion has now been properly listed. Please add your comment again. Dbromage 01:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikisource
Hi, with regret I have created at thread about some of your wikisource contributions on s:Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Scouting_evidence. If any of it isnt appropriate for Wikisource, I think it can be moved onto Misplaced Pages or Commons. w:Arthur Rose Eldred documents looks appropriate, and if the community opinion is that should be kept, I will help transcribing it in order to atone for my sins. :-) John Vandenberg 02:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see how docs fit into commons or wikipedia. See your page and source too.Rlevse 02:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- PS, that's about everything I've put on wikisource. Maybe I'll just stop putting stuff there.Rlevse 02:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- (from User talk:Jayvdb): If you regret it so much, why did you do it? This is where I was told this should go. Thanks for telling me otherwise, I'd not know.Rlevse 02:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I regret it because the material you put on Wikisource is useful, if only for Misplaced Pages; and listing it on "Proposed deletion" makes work: for you, myself and others. But the image guidelines on Wikisource is (in short) that all uploads should go on the commons; that is why I suggest commons is the right place for the documents, if an PD license can be obtained. Basically you need to host this material somewhere; if it isn't transcribed, it's stretching beyond the scope of Wikisource. But don't let it bother you; the deletion process on Wikisource is a lot less frantic than here on Misplaced Pages. John Vandenberg 03:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- If images should go on commons, why do they have image uploading enabled on source?Rlevse 10:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- That is a good point; I recently started a discussion thread on that topic: s:Wikisource:Scriptorium#Encourage_uploading_to_commons. Sadly, nobody has responded. In any case, I have been working on auditing all images on Wikisource and moving them to commons or deleting them based on their importance. If you want any of those images moved to commons, and can find an appropriate license (see also commons:Commons:Licensing), you can tag the images on Wikisource to speed up the process. John Vandenberg 08:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- If images should go on commons, why do they have image uploading enabled on source?Rlevse 10:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I regret it because the material you put on Wikisource is useful, if only for Misplaced Pages; and listing it on "Proposed deletion" makes work: for you, myself and others. But the image guidelines on Wikisource is (in short) that all uploads should go on the commons; that is why I suggest commons is the right place for the documents, if an PD license can be obtained. Basically you need to host this material somewhere; if it isn't transcribed, it's stretching beyond the scope of Wikisource. But don't let it bother you; the deletion process on Wikisource is a lot less frantic than here on Misplaced Pages. John Vandenberg 03:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see how docs fit into commons or wikipedia. See your page and source too.Rlevse 02:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Bobo54 and Cowboycaleb1
I think somebody needs to have a really good discussion with Cowboycaleb1, as he seems not to understand what a talkpage is. He keeps asking a question on someones userpage (see here), which is being reverted by numerous users. However, Bobo54 has just reverted my edit and as said to let Cowboycaleb1 ask the question despite not him using the talkpage. Any chance of the two being sockpuppets? If they are not, can you tell Caleb to use the talkpage, after all, I am unwilling to get into any sort of conversation with him after what he sent me. Davnel03 13:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
- I took it to WP:ANI, and Bobo54 has been blocked indef. as a sock of Cowboycaleb1 (see here). If I get any e-mails of harrasement, I will forward it to you. Davnel03 16:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
- OK. I'm not able to do much during the day. I'll for sure look at it more tonight.Rlevse 18:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've sent you an e-mail. Apologises, I deleted the e-mail. If he sends another one, for sure I will forward it to you. Davnel03 07:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
- OK. Anyway, Caleb's been blocked for 24 hours for disruption on someones talkpage. Thanks anyway. Davnel03 09:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've sent you an e-mail. Apologises, I deleted the e-mail. If he sends another one, for sure I will forward it to you. Davnel03 07:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
- OK. I'm not able to do much during the day. I'll for sure look at it more tonight.Rlevse 18:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Henry Fonda
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User:Alanrachins
Pardon me, but out of curiosity, how did you determine that this user might be Alan Rachins himself? He's only made a couple of edits, none of which directly suggest any link. GlassCobra 12:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Primarily because the account name matches the article name. From my own personal experience, when this occurs it is often the real life person, like User:WayneRay, who is known to actually be Wayne Ray. Sometimes it is a die hard fan or close relative, but I thought it worth checking on.Rlevse 12:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting. How do we know that other guy is actually Wayne Ray? GlassCobra 12:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't recall much of the details as it was looked at some time ago, but there was a lot of evidence to support it, like the guy loaded pictures of himself from when he was kid, family snapshot types of things. Not likely anyone but the real person or a close relative would have such stuff.Rlevse 12:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- A similar circumstance is User:JustinBerry who has edited autobigraphically on Justin Berry, an article that's seen its share of controversy & contention. His identity was verified through the Foundation via the OTRS email system. --Ssbohio 15:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't recall much of the details as it was looked at some time ago, but there was a lot of evidence to support it, like the guy loaded pictures of himself from when he was kid, family snapshot types of things. Not likely anyone but the real person or a close relative would have such stuff.Rlevse 12:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting. How do we know that other guy is actually Wayne Ray? GlassCobra 12:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
User:No vandalism no
Thanks for doing that. I have no idea where that all started. E_dog95' 02:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Eagles Nest Airport
While I agree with your rationale for following the redirect & deleting Eagles Nest Airport, I'd like you to reconsider. The article is breathtakingly poorly written, but it does factually cover a real airport in New Jersey. I moved the article to the correct name and did some minor cleanup & tagging on it. It was created by one of a set of accounts I've been tracking, all of whom appear related in some way, and who create articles about places or things called Heesham, none of which ever check out with other reliable sources. Their favorite comment appears to be "he da sham." Nontheless, this particular article needs cleanup, but not deletion. The airport is on the list of airports in New Jersey, and is referenced in the West Creek, New Jersey article. Please undelete the article. Thanks! --Ssbohio 15:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- If this article gets recreated, it needs to have a different name anyway as there are at least five Eagles Nest Airports. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- How about a dab page @ Eagles Nest Airport and the above-mentioned article at Eagles Nest Airport, New Jersey? While I'm here, I'll commend to your attention this AfD. Da sham goes on... --Ssbohio 15:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- Da sham is not cloeseable yet. FOr the airport stuff, gotta go now, I'll come back later.Rlevse 16:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- Made it under name Eagles Nest Airport, New Jersey. I didn't make the dab page because the other eagles nest airport articles seem to not exist. I also wikilinked in the two places you mentioned.Rlevse 21:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- Da sham is not cloeseable yet. FOr the airport stuff, gotta go now, I'll come back later.Rlevse 16:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- How about a dab page @ Eagles Nest Airport and the above-mentioned article at Eagles Nest Airport, New Jersey? While I'm here, I'll commend to your attention this AfD. Da sham goes on... --Ssbohio 15:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've helped you guys out and made a disambig page for Eagles Nest Airport. Also, the proper dab-type title would be Eagles Nest Airport (New Jersey). I have moved it and will keep the redirect for now. --Pilotboi / talk / contribs 22:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- I saw that, sorry I forgot to put it in parens form. Thanks.Rlevse 00:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- Wow, you guys have it all covered. Once the flames go out over at Justin Berry (they never will), I'll be able to relax a bit. :-) Thanks to all, and feel free to step into the maelstrom at Talk:Justin Berry. I'm feeling like some "blank slate" minds could sort out the impasse there; I've been string at it too long. --Ssbohio 22:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
User:Sexyberger
Just thought you might like to know that discussion on WT:UAA suggests that this might have been an inappropriate block. Cheers. SamBC(talk) 16:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- tks, I left rationale there.Rlevse 16:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
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I ran a number of keyword searches and couldn't find anything. :-( Can you possibly re-mail the request to permissions@wikimedia.org and cc: me? My email address is listed atop my user page in the about box. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 23:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Harry Truman
Glad to see the article passed. I have no idea how my edit on the FAC page managed to remove your comment. My apologies for not noticing that happened. Overall, it's an excellent article, though I'm still not sure the atomic bombings section is quite right, now that I see it without any numbers. Also, I think more needs to be mentioned about debate within the Truman administration (e.g. "Committee of Three") on use of the atomic bomb. The sticking point was whether to demand an unconditional surrender, or allow the emperor Hirohito to remain as symbolic leader, in a constitutional monarchy, as the Japanese wanted. In my sandbox, I have some suggestions for the section to include some of these details. I will post on the article talk page for others to consider. --Aude (talk) 00:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I figured the removal was an accident. Yes, if you have improvement ideas, please post them.Rlevse 00:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've done so on the talk page. Obviously, the atomic bombings are controversial, even so today, but trying to suggest some key points for improving the section. Changes to the section need to be handled with care, to make sure the section remains agreeable to all. --Aude (talk) 01:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I figured the removal was an accident. Yes, if you have improvement ideas, please post them.Rlevse 00:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for that Golden Wiki, and for all your extraordinary work on Harry S. Truman
Hey, I really like working with you, and I like working on articles where people aren't bashing each other's brains in. What do you want to tackle next? Here are some ideas from my side...
Pale Fire The White Album Jimmy Carter Beowulf United States presidential election, 1948
Peace, BYT 10:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ditto. Actually, right now I'm working on Frederick Russell Burnham. I just listed it for GA. If you want to dive in and help, go ahead. I'll work on one of yours when I can too.Rlevse 11:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This one's for you
Boy_Scouts_of_America
Hey Rlevse, thanks for the email explaining the background on all the editing. Its brought me up to speed much quicker! I've been looking through everything and aside from the fact the article is slightly POV biased generally I agree with your take on it. As far as I can see theres no intentional POV in the article just the whole thing in its entirety reads off a little like an advertisment. I've cleaned up much of it which was in the leading section by simply editorialising the content. I think its important we keep in proportion the criticisms and praise the organisation has recieved. Obviously its credited for helping many youths develop morally and mentally, but it has also been accused by many groups left and right on the poltiical scale of some fairly widespread descrimination based on members gender, sexual orientation or religious background. I think provided we write about exactly what has happened on both sides of the debate without putting any kind of twist/spin on it then the article should be fine to have the POV tag removed. As for heqwn, hopefully once this is done he will accept the changes and the POV tag can be removed easily, if he persists to the point of excessively POV pushing then we may need to intervene for the sake of the wiki, what do you think? WikipedianProlific 18:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I'd like to see this worked out and not escalate.Rlevse 18:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Harry Truman
I made no changes to the rankings (I wouldn't know how). As for deleting other comments, I didn't do that, either. If somebody's signing my name, deal. Trekphiler 18:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Bot goof
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An admin question
Hi Randy, how do we delete just one version of a page. See the last revert I did on Scouting in Northumberland which libels the DC. I think that needs completely removing, but I can not find how to do it. --Bduke 00:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- I've never had occassion to do that, but my understanding is to go to the article, click on history, then select the the version you want to delete (by date/time), then click delete. It should work. If it trashed the whole article, you can undelete it. Let me know how it goes.Rlevse 00:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- That deletes the whole history, but you can then restore all versions except the one you really want deleting. You have to tick the box for all versions you want to restore so it is tedious. There must be a better way. --Bduke 01:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm. I'd suspect so. Maybe someone else will know. I'd like to hear if you find a better way.Rlevse 01:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- With FireFox, you can click on the first revision, then shift+click on the last revision and that will select all of them. I don't think that works in IE ... at least it didn't with IE6, though I have never tried it since I got IE7. --B 01:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm. I'd suspect so. Maybe someone else will know. I'd like to hear if you find a better way.Rlevse 01:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- That deletes the whole history, but you can then restore all versions except the one you really want deleting. You have to tick the box for all versions you want to restore so it is tedious. There must be a better way. --Bduke 01:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Closing CFDs
Hello. It looks like you closed this discussion. Just a reminder to please remove the CFR tags from the category pages when they are kept. --After Midnight 19:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Image:MaxSilber.jpg
You listed this as CC, but in the text you say it's PD from the scouting museum and the link you provided doesn't display the image. Pls provide the link to the image and proof it's PD. Rlevse 13:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- I corrected the info page. This was a photo that Max had taken in the Scout Museum with his own camera. Max had copies made to send personal correspondence, he passed away in 2004. I wasn't sure how to list it, but it wasn't professionally taken or copyrighted. As Max has died, I am not sure how to prove this is the case, except to possibly have the curator of the museum corroborate this information, but my understanding is that this photo was specifically chosen for the museum website specifically for the reason that it is the only recent non-copyrighted photo they had available. They have one other "front shot" of Max, but it was taken some 20 years earlier. They also have a photo on exhibit that was taken of Max with Lady Olave Baden-Powell, which was again taken with Max's camera, but as it is on display, I am not sure how the rights would be listed for this, as it is part of an active museum display, although I could call up and ask the curator to scan that one and provide it if desirable. As for the CC, I wasn't sure the proper way to list it. I wasn't the originator, Max technically was, so I couldn't call it "own work." Any suggestions as to what is the best action for this? YIS RobHoitt 18:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- I've asked our project image expert to look at it. We had to get it correct so sometime later down the road someone won't have a good case to have it deleted.Rlevse 18:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok ... something I think needs to be clarified is that every creative work (photograph, book, song, etc) created or published in the US since 1978 is automatically copyrighted whether it has a copyright notice or not. If you walk outside and take a photograph of a tree, you have created a copyrighted work, even if you never assert or enforce your rights. This is different from trademark, where you must aggressively assert your rights or you lose them. So if you take a photograph of a tree and email it to 100 of your closest friends, you still own the copyright to that photo, even if you didn't mention copyright in your email.
The copyright of the photo would belong to the author - not to the museum. In this case, I am not 100% sure, but I believe that it would be considered a work for hire - see 201.b - in which case Max would have owned the copyright. So now that he is deceased, his heirs would own the hire unless he specifically willed the copyright (not just the physical copy of the image) to the museum. Is his widow available and could she be asked to release it under a GFDL-compatible license? --B 21:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Oddly enough, Max died not only after his wife, but three years after his son Alan. (Interestingly useless trivia, he was born exactly one week after Ronald Reagan, and died exactly one week after Reagan died, not that that is relevant to anything...) So I am not sure there. He left most of his Scouting effects such as his medals and uniforms and such to the Scouting Museum. I could try contacting some of his extended family, but most weren't involved in Scouting to the degree Max was, but I want to check with the Museum first. All of his medals, uniforms, and his entire Baden-Powell collection (given to him by Lady Olave herself.) were all given the the Museum. He was the primary benefactor, and founder of it, and gave a lot of his personal money and time into creating the museum, and seeing that it sustained. RobHoitt 02:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know ... this question is outside the realm of anything I would have a clue on how to deal with. I would say ask the museum if they own the copyright to the photo and if so, if they would release it under the GFDL. We don't know whether he transferred the copyright to the museum in his will or not ... we can only go off of what they tell us. --B 03:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
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Dear Rlevse, when I saw your last message at my talk page, a few weeks ago when I was on a self imposed wikibreak, I considered many ways of telling you how fondly I remember all the patient help you kindly gave me long ago, when I was striving hard to get my portal up to Featured; how it succeeded, in no small measure thanks to your thoughtful advices; the support you offered me at my RfA, which was running at the time... to sum it up, how the mere mention of your name is enough to immediately draw a smile on my face. Yet, like those things that one wishes to be really meaningful, I've kept postponing this visit until I found a proper way of thanking you in a truly special way. So I decided, enough time has passed already; and I cannot think of a better way to renew our friendship than telling you all these thoughts frankly and openly, while gifting you your own special day. You really deserve this modest award, and so incredibly much more, my friend. I hope that the future finds us talking, and working together closely, for nothing would please me more. Love, Phaedriel - 00:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Indefinite block / Congrats
Hi Rlevse! I just saw your block on a vandal called KidsClub1, and I was wondering: if you have used an account which has been blocked, is it possible to create another account (on the same IP)? Btw, congratulations with your Awesome Wikipedian award! Keep up the good work! Cheers, Face 19:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Tks. It depends on the type of block issues. For vandal only accounts, I always "hard block", so they can't create another account. This is also called Autoblock. See WP:Autoblock for more info.Rlevse 19:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Max's death
I have found no birthdate for Max and two death dates, June 9 and 15, 2004. But then you said it was one week after Ronald Reagan on both, which was (February 6, 1911 – June 5, 2004). THese would be Feb 13 and June 12. I have no way to verify Feb 13, but June 12 doesn't match JUne 9 or 15 (see note on his talk page too). Can we conclusively settle his birth/death dates?Rlevse 09:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- On the talk page I have identified the correct born/death dates and how to confirm them. That should do the trick for that... I'm still working on the photo angle now. RobHoitt 19:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- P.S. I will have to amend my previous comment, he was born 9 days after Ronnie, and died 10 days after him. So "about a week" would have been more appropriate in hindsight. ;) RobHoitt 19:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
ANI Issue
Thank you for the quick response, I know there's quite a bit of cases on that noticeboard. Anyway, i'll take your advice and step back. I suppose once I you get into it with someone it's difficult to step back and look at things, but I see the reasoning behind letting it be. His comments can't actually damage me anyway. I will let you know if this continues and thank you again for the help! MezzoMezzo 20:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Help with a bully
Would you please consider helping me with this that is related to this? I know you may be busy, so only if you have a little time. Thank you. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 02:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)