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Link to a diagram maker

Would anyone mind if I added a link to my (completely free) diagram creator at http://www.jinchess.com/chessboard/composer in the external links section? It's already been linked from the chess articles on he.wikipedia.org and tt.wikipedia.org (not by me).

No i wouldnt mindPubuman 03:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking but I don't think that link is appropriate for this page. 24.177.112.146 06:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Is there anyone official who could decide this? Is there some kind of policy? 192.117.99.198 01:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

"Anyone official" - no, problems are usualy solved in a discussion, all editors have the same rights. "Policy" - yes, read please WP:LINKS. --Ioannes Pragensis 13:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I see, thanks. Well, it looks like the "conflict of interest" clause prevents me from adding that link, so I'll leave it to someone else :-) 192.117.123.35 19:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, that's a nice tool. Can you modify it to output valid Forsyth-Edwards Notation? --ZeroOne (talk | @) 22:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean output? It outputs an image. If you mean input, then it already does take FEN, but not through the composer. For example: http://www.jinchess.com/chessboard/?pos=rnbq1bnr/pppppppp/8/4k3/4K3/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQ1BNR 192.117.123.155 00:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I mean that in addition to the image, I'd like the program to output a FEN-string. --ZeroOne (talk | @) 01:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It also takes lexigraphic format (as in the composer), and piece list: http://www.jinchess.com/chessboard/?pos=ke3,Ra6. There are also many other options not currently exposed through the composer, such as selecting board size, pattern, piece set, adding arrows, circles, image header, footer etc. http://www.jinchess.com/chessboard/?pos=rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNRR&cm=o&tt=Title&ct=Comment&a=e2e4&c=d5,f5&bp=pale-wood&ps=condal&s=l I plan to write a "pro" version of the composer to expose all these. 192.117.123.155 00:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/United States Chess League

Not often a chess article comes up for deletion so I thought I should alert editors on here to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/United States Chess League. TerriersFan 02:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

These are like buses, you don't see one for ages then they all come together - here's another one Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Iowa State Chess Association. TerriersFan 02:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

These issues (and related ones concerning Category:Chess openings articles) are being discussed on the Chess project talk page WT:CHESS. Quale 21:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Chess as mental training

Chess as mental training was subjected to the WP:AFD process and the result of the discussion was to merge the article with Chess. See discussion. I closed the AfD, but did not complete the merge as I thought there should be some discussion here as Chess is clearly a good article and appending it should be given discussion from the perspective of quality of this article. Alan.ca 02:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I do not like the idea of merge. Chess is already too long, we should rather support the summary style here (WP:SUMMARY).--Ioannes Pragensis 13:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Chess Template

Ok,im here to discuss about the template,i aded it a few days ago but my edit wass reverted arguing that the template lacks visual appeal and that the article already linked to the topics the template covers.I also found that it wass already aded some time back ago and it seems to have reached a good concesus but again wass reverted by the same editor here.

In my opinion the template is usefull,because even when the article links to the topics it covers,the template allows the reader when he reaches the bottom of the page,to spare having to go back up to find the main link for the topic he is looking.

Please give your comment about the usefullnes of the template so we can spare ourself an edit war,should it be aded or not?--Andres rojas22 01:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It is pretty bland. It should at least have some sort of chess icon or something. —ptk✰fgs 03:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

And it is pretty poor and - as one editor pointed out some time ago - pretty subjective: why just these links and not others?--Ioannes Pragensis 06:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

External Links

I dare not add a link in the section prior to running it here. Please consider the following link for posting : www.coalitionchess.com The modern music composer Arnold Schoenberg invented this game, as inspired from chess. It is different and challenging. It should please chess enthusiasts who are looking for something out-of-the-box. Thanks for considering this. mic.paquette@gmail.com

Naturally this section gets quite a bit of spam. I removed chessforum.com a few times, and it surprises me nobody else does. In any case someone keeps putting it back. I don't object having a link to a chess forum, but there are so many of them, and that's definitely not the most popular one. In fact, when you click on the link it is just a chess shop. Voorlandt 16:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I was not sure about this link, therefore I left it there, but if you think that it is spam, I will remove it, too. Cheers,--Ioannes Pragensis 06:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Granted I am new to editing wikipedia and adding links, but I find it amazing that someone would delete a link directing users to the chess collection at the Cleveland Public Library! This collection of chess literature is one of the largest in the world and anyone that knows anything about chess should know that. Could someone please tell this newbie what hoops need to be jumped through in order to provide a link to this collection through the chess entry of wikipedia? Medalby 14:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The link as given was not very specific, linking to the cpl main page, perhaps you could reintroduce it like this:

The Cleveland Public Library's John G. White Chess and Checkers Collection is the largest chess library in the world. It can be searched online

HermanHiddema 14:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the link again and letting me know what was wrong with it. I am starting to realize how this whole thing works. Thank you.Medalby 12:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: I've been hanging out at Chess.com for the last few days. They have a lot of really cool content on there, kinda like myspace for chess players. Not sure how popular it is though... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.14.104 (talk • contribs)

I vote for Chess.com as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.253.166 (talk • contribs)

I vote against Chess.com, there are several websites like this one and the content is actually poor. Its best feature is its domain name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.206.229.165 (talk) 14:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Another vote for Chess.com in external links, shaping up to be a great resource. Their game-diagramming & commentary system is the best I've seen. Tried to add it a while ago, but was nixed by someone. Drake 23:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

In general, you want to make sure the link adds to the article (e.g. using it as a source) rather than just a being a site to look at. --Sigma 7 15:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Will AssamChess.org get a place in this section. Sure, it is not that important in America, but at the same time this is the lone website on Chess from North-Eastern India. North East India BTW is home to 40 million people. The site looks nice. Have some Online Chess playing facility too. Also have blogs etc.

Do I deduce correctly from the mention at http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:No_Guru/Archive_3#IchessU that there used to be a link to our (Exeter) Chess Coaching materials, but that it has been deleted as being commercial? It really isn't. DaveRegis 20:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dave. I didn't delete it, but here's my guess: I suspect it was deleted out of relevance. An article as broad as "Chess" can only have a few links, and the editors need to be pretty brutal in keeping the list of links to a managable size. It's debatable whether the "Chess" article needs a link to chess coaching sites at all. (Personally I wouldn't mind, but I'm not fussed either way). If chess coaching links were to be included, then (based on last time I looked, years ago) yours would be worthy of consideration. But it looks to me that it was decided not to include chess coaching links at all, because I can't see any. Peter Ballard 01:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Peter (and thanks for all the quotes you sent in!) DaveRegis 19:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Playing time

I have never seen such confusing advice. In the info box it says:

10–60 minutes; tournament games last up to 7 hours*

• Games by correspondence may last many months, while blitz chess games are even shorter than 10 minutes

Where does 10-60 minutes come from? On the Internet by far the greatest number of games are less than 10 minutes and I play in three, across the board, leagues all of which have a maximum playing time of 3 hours (1.5 hours per player). I think the straightforward solution is to say Variable and leave it at that since any other formulation is open to debate and the present wording is, frankly, meaningless. TerriersFan 00:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

As usual in board games, 10-60 min relates primarily to average casual games without time control. If you use a time control, on Internet or otherwise, then the time of the game is predetermined mainly by the clock, of course. Seven hours for a game corresponds with another popular setting 2 hours for the first 40 moves and 1,5 h. for the rest (I often play my games using it), which is AFAIK the slowest routinely used setting in today's OTB tournaments.

Regarding your advice to use "Variable": I agree that it is the most exact way, but I am still against it because it is at the same time the less informative way. The reader expects information and not empty "weasel words".--Ioannes Pragensis 05:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Page Not loading

Page is not fully loading, not sure if it is because it is in the middle of being edited or not. Will give 24hrs before I will revert to the most previous fully working revision.--Hourick 05:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

New Catagory suggestion:

I would like to suggest that a new catagory for movies based on chess be put as well as chess in (limited) popular culture (Books, Movies, TV Shows). While the catagory may not be extensive, it might help someone find something that a chess aficionado would appreciate. --Hourick 05:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

How about Category:Films_about_chess, Voorlandt 13:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Number of players

In the second paragraph of the lead, the article mentions 'played by an estimated 605 million people worldwide'. This number is repeated under "Competitive play > Organization of competition", but here the wording is 'An estimated 605 million people worldwide know how to play chess'. There is a big difference between knowing how to play and actually playing. For this reason I have changed this to 'played by millions of people worldwide'. HermanHiddema 17:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

to much instructions

I think there is too much here that is about how to play chess. shouldn't this page be about the game and its history and have a seperate page about how to play chess?

I disagree. This article is the main article on chess, and should therefore give an overview of all aspects of the game. That includes an overview of the rules, history, elemental strategy, organization, and recent developments. Without some information on each of these aspects, the article would be missing a crucial aspect of great importance. A general overview article about chess cannot be complete without information about what the object of the game is. The details however, are too many to put into this article, and are therefore spread out over some hundred chess-related articles. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Oxford University Chess Club

Editors may wish to be aware of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Oxford University Chess Club. BlueValour 18:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Jews and Chess

Take a look at my reverts of Unfreeride's edits. I think there's clearly synthesis going on here. There's a citation of a 1996 paper allegedly showing chess is a verbal-sequential task, but no mainstream citation to show that the 1996 paper's conclusions are widely accepted. Then there is the concluding statement "Their high verbal-sequential intelligence may explain their overrepresentation in chess", which to me is clearly synthesis. On top of all that, I don't see why Jewish overrepresentation in chess needs to be in the main "Chess" article at all. By all means make a separate article on "Jews in Chess", but I don't see why it needs to be in the main article, just like analysis of the overrepresentation of Russians, Eastern Europeans, under-40s or males doesn't need to be there. So what's the consensus? Keep, remove or modify? I say remove. Peter Ballard 02:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It "looks" like synthesis, but it is not (unless you read the whole thing). You didn't read the whole thing because you are too lazy to read the whole thing and you read too slow.

The 1996 paper is just extra information about chess, I know it is unrelated.

So I will remove the 1996 paper, etc. and unrelated references and keep the extraneous references.

"significance because IQ (as measured by IQ tests) is the best predictor we have of success in academic subjects and most jobs. Ashkenazi Jews are just as successful as their tested IQ would predict, and they are hugely overrepresented in occupations and fields with the highest cognitive demands. During the 20th century, they made up about 3% of the US population but won 27% of the US Nobel science prizes and 25% of the ACM Turing awards. They account for more than half of world chess champions."

in http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=5HSULtz6jVEC&oi=fnd&pg=RA2-PA1&dq=ashkenazi+jews+chess&ots=Dv2Fv2As8-&sig=CiAhutTEb6U_AI_tJ1op8_NZGZk#PPP1,M1 It links smart Jews and chess.

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=lSf9rZmK6L8C&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=jews+chess+intelligence+ashkenazi&ots=WDfchfkv5K&sig=UQXiIaOdmN0tbPUuYRLlmz9xwDU#PPP1,M1 It links Jewish verbal IQ and chess. Unfreeride 14:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

I believe the opening paragraph may require revision. Vandalism and such.

Reverting Jews and Chess

People are continuously reverting my "Jews and Chess" section. People consider it racist. Misplaced Pages is NOT the place to revert things that personally offends you.

Unfreeride 18:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not about whether it's offensive. It's because it's off-topic and factually inaccurate. Peter Ballard 11:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but when I edited the article, I hit return too early and my comment was cut short. But what I was going to say (but more briefly) is that singling out Jewish excellence at chess is off topic. If you're going to do that you also need to discuss dominence by Soviets, Eastern Europeans, under-40s and males. It's just too much for a general article on chess. Peter Ballard 12:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Chess Matches

Here's nice link on match results: http://www.endgame.nl/match.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.107.0.149 (talk • contribs) 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Buddhist literature

Our article on Buddhist texts makes clear that many Buddhist suttas and other texts attributed to the Buddha were composed later, in some cases many centuries later. I have therefore deleted the reference to a Buddhist sermon agains chess and other frivolities until authoritative and convincing evidence supplies a date for this document. J S Ayer 22:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Solving chess

What does that mean I found it in the talk of Holo Versatile Disk I I've never understood how does that work? Could someone write a bit about that? 84.250.110.93 18:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

BoardGameGeek entry link

I just noticed this link on the main 'Chess' page entry template. It seems to be an advert for a video game or something similar. I personally think it should be removed - aside from the advertising issue, the notion that you have to be a 'geek' to play chess is surely not something we would want to encourage. Brittle heaven 18:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

• I agree that that was awful. I took it out. I expect it will be added again, probably repeatedly at intervals, so we'll probably keep having to remove it. Quale 00:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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