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You have added sources to the article. The first and third sources you mention do not state anything of the kind which would support your statement. If you think that they do, please quote the text here. The second source you have provided is a an email from a Rangers fan to the letters page of the Guardian. That is not a verifiable source of primary information, and cannot be used in Misplaced Pages. --TheMadTim 11:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

This article seems to focus far more on the racist incident at Celtic Park than it does on Mark Walters himself and his soccer/football career. I think it is obvious that this is a case of point-scoring between rival fans, so I'm going to cut down on the extensive quoting, etc. --ledenierhomme

There is nothing "point scoring" about it, and in removing nearly all of the information regarding the incident you also removed citations. Archibald99  17:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Your edits have somewhat shrunk the article - I think there remains a place for the content you removed although it should be a smaller part of a summary of his whole career. Daemonic Kangaroo 17:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Archibald99, you wouldn't be a Rangers fan by any chance would you? Myself, I am Australian an have no special bias towards either Celtic or Rangers Ledenierhomme 17:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

By contrast, look at this article on Dianbobo Balde (http://en.wikipedia.org/Bobo_Balde) an African who plays for Celtic FC who has at various stages of his career been subjected to "monkey noises" from Rangers FC fans. The mention of these incidents only take up a couple of sentences of a very lengthy article - whereas here we have a lengthy, non-sequitur quotation from a person who doesn't appear to have any special relevance to Mark Walters other than being one of the many in attendance that day. I'm sure Mark Walters would not appreciate the fact that according to Misplaced Pages his career is only noteworthy on account of being a victim of racism. Ledenierhomme 18:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Well the rest of the article can be lengthened rather than deleting sourced material to make it shorter. Archibald99  18:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, the sentence "It would be more accurate to say Walters was the first significant black player in Scottish football since Andrew Watson of Queens Park in the 19th century" seems debatable. Giles 'Gil' Heron (father of poet and musician Gil Scott-Heron) arrived amid much fanfare to play for Celtic FC in 1949, scoring in his debut, but to only play 3 senior games for the club before joining Third Lanark.

The article also mentions Mohammed Latif, who of course, was and is not "black" by anyone's standards. Again, I don't see what relevance this has to Mark Walters. Ledenierhomme 18:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

That section could arguably do with shortening, but that has nothing do with the source you deleted, again. Archibald99  18:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Source has been retained after this edit. Photograph added. Ledenierhomme 18:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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