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The "calm" tag

I just removed it for a while. I have a feeling it migfht have the same effect as that cognitive control exercise "DO NOT think of pink elephants" that leaves people unable to think of anything but...

Also, on a common sense level, I fear it may have the same as a road sign saying "if you want a rumble, you came to the right place". --Zeraeph 21:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

AS article status

Thanks for the accolade. I'm afraid that not everyone agrees, as can be seen from the FARC commentary. Eubulides 22:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Personal details

I am really uncomfortable with you discussing what you imagine to be personal details of my life in relation to and want to ask you to please stop doing it, and remind you that, in accorde with WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA we should stick to discussing content not personalities. --Zeraeph 21:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Nothing that I imagined, just what you had openly disclosed. But I acknowledge your discomfort and empathise with your discomfort, having, as you well knnow, experienced the reciprocal discomfort for many many years. It is not a comfortable experience at all, is it? You have my profound sympathies. Kiwi 01:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I am glad you understand and will not continue the behavior, thank you. --Zeraeph 02:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

What I would do in your position, would be to go back here and decide FOR YOURSELF, what you wish to say that is objective about why you feel the article should keep "Featured" status, put it all together in "notepad" then go here find the words "Strong Keep" and place the text after it. I can promise you that the relevance and objectivity of you argument will give it greater, not lesser weight, and the willingness to resolve issues amicably will only resound your credit. I do not want to be discussed personally as part of an FAR where I am not relevant, but I will defend with my life your right to expess your objective opinion there, whether or not I agree with it. --Zeraeph 23:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

A question for both of you at Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article review/Asperger syndrome; please respond there if you want me to propose a refactoring in sandbox, and please let me know what your refactoring goals would be. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

A Kiwi, regarding this reply, there's no need to apologize whatsoever; you've not created this problem, and I'm just trying to help you sort out your commentary on the FAR. I've never seen such an ugly FAR—well, not since the last AS FAR that is—and it's not your fault at all, but keeping the "messes" on the right pages may help. I'm sorry I wasn't more available as it was unfolding, but the work on Asperger syndrome is done, the article is better than it's ever been and well within FA criterion, and I was buried all afternoon in difficult and tedious referencing work on the next FAR ( Stuttering, an article in almost as bad shape as AS was, if you can believe it!) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, after looking at all the "linked to" articles for that list of various terms, I was dismayed and almost frightened at what a dreadful inadequate total mess so much of Wiki must be when it comes to articles where professionals write them about their own area of expertise -- thus making them unintelligible, probably even to their own grad students!!! *laughing* Nah, I should take that back. In some cases, it is more likely that pompous grad students write them!!!

Hey, I just found out today that I have actually made over 1,000 edits now. Of course, what was not mentioned was that 30-50% of those were me correcting my own errors!! But it tickled me all the same. Kiwi 04:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Asperger syndrome ease-of-understanding

Thanks for providing the examples of hard-to-understand bits in Asperger syndrome. I fixed things as best I could and have a question or two, which I put in Talk:Asperger syndrome #Examples I found. Eubulides 10:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Please cool down

Kiwi, this is just a personal attack for which there is no place on Misplaced Pages , and you cannot just delete my comments because they do not agree with you like this . I made it clear that I would replace my counter arguments where appropriate, and I also made it clear that I, not you replaced the comment. Though you publicly said that you would replace it here and you certainly cannot keep trying to hide the fact that you DID suggest replacing it. Why don't you go and cool down? You made some excellent edits about accessible text yesterday and behaved impeccably about resolving the inappropriate personal comments, it is a shame to see you let that go now. --Zeraeph 19:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I am just fine. I was just justifiable angry that you would not only publicly bring up off-Wiki history (a no-no) and give it a completely false positive spin that never-ever existed.

My only error ever has been to repeatedly assume good faith with you when you start writing me so kindly. I seem to have that problem with people who write me multiple complimentary emails. You can be the most charming person I've ever encountered, Z.... And you assured me last night that you never took anything I said or did on the FARC page seriously and were certainly not bothered by any of it. But apparently you wrote up an incident report on me, they asked you to work it out with me privately.

By that time, of course, I had it all but done on my computer for I was rightfully embarrassed at my behavior. You wanted to post it yourself, I told you I would post it myself and that you would post your new revised response for yourself. But your need to point out that I was posting a revised version was something you could have asked me to do myself. You had no right to alter MY words, but only to say that your post was altered. I've been around Wiki long enough to know that, because I've heard you tell that to people.

If you felt it necessary or KNEW it to be necessary for the both of us to do so, then all you had to do was just ask/tell me that it was necessary for the both of us to note that an alteration had been done (in other than the edit notes). Kiwi 21:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I did not bring up any "off wiki history" AT ALL, at any stage, nor will I bring up alleged "off Wiki" dialogues. I do, however feel that under the circumstances of, not only the project in question, but also your behavior I have every reason and right to ask for advice from WP:AN/I. Because I certainly have no idea how to deal with your current, repeated WP:UNCIVIL, and WP:NPA behavior to me.

This is what I actually posted . Where in that do I mention "revised version"? And if I had, I would have every right to do so, it is, after all, only a statement of simple fact for clarity? You did, in fact suggest you would replace it yourself and I am rather afraid there are no grounds on which you may suppress that information in order to claim otherwise.

Please refrain from personal attacks in future. --Zeraeph 21:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)