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If this article survives the Afd, which it appears it will, the title of the article should be changed and moved, at least to Eugenics measures in the Japanese Empire, or maybe even better Eugenics in Imperial Japan. Any thoughts?--Kewp 16:25, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• I'll support the second. Short and sweet, and already a redirect. Any dissent?--ZayZayEM 07:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read the archives, there was a discussion about it in 2007... --Flying tiger 12:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Good Editing

Great editing and cleanup by 209.90.145.149 and Charles Matthews! The article is now worth keeping, I think. I am changing my vote on the AFD page to keep. The article could use expansion and sources but it is a great start. ♠ DanMS 00:15, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

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This article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Eugenics measures in Japanese Empire · Katefan0 22:06, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Samurai?

The Meiji Restoration abolished the samurai class. How could the goal of the eugenics programme in Imperial Japan be to produce a race of samurai?

This is very difficult for a native English speaker to read

It makes it very hard to determine how people are editing, as the edits are unclear in their meaning.

• "In 1926 the birth rate of abnormal persons was estimated at 60,000, but had increased by 1938 to 90,000 births" - This needs a citation, and context. Currently it makes not much sense just stating some irrelevent fact of estimated "abnormal" birth rate. No clues as to how it was estimated, by whom, and how "abnormal" is qualified.

• "During Greater East Asia War, healthy Japanese frequently died during combat. This led to the suggestion that physically handicaped persons, who were not able to fight, were the ones left to create the next generation. The government considered that the increase of ratio between disabled versus "able-bodied" persons should be corrected. " - This paragraph has a reference (though Japanese), but it's meaning is not quite clear. And it also appears to be POV pushing. Who says these facts, and in what context. I modified it a bit so it wasn't quit so inflammatory, but it still needs work to say what it should.

• "Eugenic thinking probably had wider effects. Japanese soldiers received instruction on how 'inferior' Asian and European races were to be treated. Military personnel who violated these instructions were severely punished." - needs a citation or it should be deleted.

• "This forced sterilization upon people with leprosy as well as certain genetic disorders." Leprosy is a disease, not a genetic disorder. Please clarify this sentance further - what genetic disorders, any other disease?

Thx--ZayZayEM 02:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

• Also anything in quotes taken from a japanese document (ie. laws) should also prvide the original Japanese. Using quote marks around English translations is misleading--ZayZayEM 11:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

These articles were presented by Flying-Tyger. He tries to relate the war crime of Japan and the eugenics at the Showa era. I think that I should delete this part. --Azukimonaka 06:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The insinuations of Azukimonaka are completly false. He first put an incomprehensible mess of informations that I tried to translate the best I could. Since then, he is keeping deleting categories that were in the article from the begining and clear references to eugenic policies in the Higashikuni government. --Flying tiger 13:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Please present the part that I concretely deleted. I feel that it keeps writing the article without evidence so that you may slander Japan. Because a Japanese army was negative in Eugenics. Sterilize being done only by 400 people in ten years has proven it. (After the war, sterilization was positively promoted. )　ecause you do not present the concrete evidence, I am embarrassed. Please present a clear source. --Azukimonaka 19:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

And, please answer the question on ZayZayEM Fly. The excuse is not needed. --Azukimonaka 19:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Azukimonaka, I hate to suggest this, but I think your level of English communication skills are making this a very difficult task. The information you provide is very hard to understand, and you also seem to having difficulty understanding the meaning of some categories, and the relationship between these topics as phrased in English. None of tiger's edits are suggesting the "slander" you are seeing.--ZayZayEM 11:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

User Azukimonaka, this is a clear source with reference, much more clearer than your obscure one page links in japanese with the "454 number":

«One of the last eugenic measure of the Shōwa regime was taken by the Higashikuni government. On 19 August, 1945, the Home Ministry ordered local government offices to establish a prostitution service for allied soldiers to preserve the "purity" of the "Japanese race". The official declaration stated that : «Through the sacrifice of thousands of "Okichis" of the Shōwa era, we shall construct a dike to hold back the mad frenzy of the occupation troops and cultivate and preserve the purity of our race long into the future...» Herbert Bix, Hirohito and the making of modern Japan, 2001, p. 538, citing Kinkabara Samon and Takemae Eiji, Showashi : kokumin non naka no haran to gekido no hanseiki-zohoban, 1989, p.244 ».

You keep deleting this excerpt for weeks. --Flying tiger 15:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Japanese fascism, Japanese nationalism

Please present the grounds though Flying Tyger starts relating the eugenics at the Showa era and the war crime of Japan. (A Japanese army opposed eugenics.)　Please specify the reason that you relate. --Azukimonaka 06:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Stop deleting categories related to MILITARISM that were in the article from the begining and trying to infer that I want to refer to "war crimes". Eugenism is related to Showa militarism. --Flying tiger 13:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

It has been proven not to relate to the militarism at the Showa era by evidence that a Japanese army did not promote Eugenism. It was 450 people that sterilization done before the war. --Azukimonaka 19:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

This is not what FlyingTiger is saying at all. This is not what those categories suggest. --ZayZayEM 10:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Correction work of mistake by Flying-Tyger

I start explaining from the history knowledge of basic Japan for Flying-Tyger.

One of the last eugenic measure of the Shōwa regime was taken by the Higashikuni government. On 19 August 1945, the Home Ministry ordered local government offices to establish a prostitution service for allied soldiers to preserve the "purity" of the "Japanese race". The official declaration stated that : «Through the sacrifice of thousands of "Okichis" of the Shōwa era, we shall construct a dike to hold back the mad frenzy of the occupation troops and cultivate and preserve the purity of our race long into the future...» Herbert Bix, Hirohito and the making of modern Japan, 2001, p. 538, citing Kinkabara Samon and Takemae Eiji, Showashi : kokumin non naka no haran to gekido no hanseiki-zohoban, 1989, p.244 .

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• There is no record to which eugenics is measured in Higashi-Kunimiya Cabinet. This Cabinet did not have an administrative ability. How was the investigation directed? This Cabinet was under the rule of GHQ. It dissolved on 54 days.
• preserve the "purity" of the "Japanese race". This is not written in the instruction sheet at all on August 19, 1945.

外国軍駐屯地における慰安施設の設置に関する内務省警保局長通牒(無電)
1945/08/18
外国軍駐屯地に於ては別記要領に依り之が慰安施設等設備の要あるも本件取扱に付ては極めて慎重を要するに付特に左記事項留意の上遺憾なきを期せられ度.
1.外国軍の駐屯地及時季は目下全く予想し得ざるところなれば必ず貴県に駐屯するが如き感を懐き一般に動揺を来さしむ如きなかるべきこと.
2.駐屯する場合は急速に開設を要するものなるに付内部的には予め手筈を定め置くこととし外部には絶対に之を漏洩せざること.
3.本件実施に当りて日本人の保護を趣旨とするものなることを理解せしめ地方民をして誤解を生じせしめざること.

(別記)
外国駐屯軍慰安施設等整備要綱
1. 営業行為は一定の区域を限定して従来の取締標準にかかわらずこれを許可するものとす.
2. 前項の区域は警察署長に於いて之を設定するものとし,日本人の施設利用は之を禁ずるものとす.
3. 警察署長は左の営業については積極的に指導を行い設備の急速充実を図るものとする.
性的慰安施設
飲食施設
娯楽場
4. 営業に必要な婦女子は,芸妓,公私娼妓,女給,酌婦,常習密売淫犯者を優先的に之を充足するものとする.

吉川春子『従軍慰安婦 新資料による国会論戦』あゆみ出版1997/11/01 pp.230

• Through the sacrifice of thousands of "Okichis" of the Showa era, we shall construct a dike to hold back the mad frenzy of the occupation troops and cultivate and preserve the purity of our race long into the future. Similarly, this description is not being written.

The content of this source is wrong for the above-mentioned reasons. Flying-Tyger might have falsified the content of the source. Therefore, this source was deleted. Is there a question?--Azukimonaka 17:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Your arrogance has no bounds. Your poor scientific demonstration does not give you the right to accuse me of falsifing sources. This was a public declaration by the Home Ministry, not a cabinet directive. Even you should know that Higashikuni and Shidehara cabinets had the power to took administrative decisions. --Flying tiger 18:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

This was a public declaration by the Home Ministry, not a cabinet directive. Please present the cabinet directive.

Higashikuni Cabinet was under the rule of Allied Forces. And, can you present eugenic measure of Higashi-Kunimiya?

It is more arrogant that Flying-Tyger without basic history knowledge scribbles the Japanese war crime. --Azukimonaka 19:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Flying tiger has already told you that it was not a cabinet directive. He cannot tehrefore show one. It does not have to be a cabinet directive or law to be included in this article. This paragraph is referenced to a book by Herbert Bix. This is sufficient. Misplaced Pages does not need, nor solely rely upon, primary sources for everything--ZayZayEM 03:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I cannot support the falsification of a clear source. --Azukimonaka 14:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I think this is why it is important to include the original Japanese with any English quotation from a 日本語 source.--ZayZayEM 01:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

These programs were guided by Katsuko T

Please present the source that proves this part.

These programs were guided by Katsuko Tojo, the wife of General Tojo. The Japanese government gave economic support to all mothers with large families. Eugenicists planned a ten-year program to augment the number of future soldiers to 100,000,000.

I'll agree. This needs a source. Please find one.--ZayZayEM 09:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

This sentence was put in the article since 2005, so I don't see why user Azukimonaka keeps asking ME to find sources for this. I'm no more concerned than anybody... Meanwhile there should also be a reference for this sentence or it should have the same fate : «This law limited compulsory sterilization to "Inherited mental disease", but sterilization campaigns were not implemented until the end of the war.»--Flying tiger 13:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

OK. Then, let's delete it. --Azukimonaka 16:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

How are the militarism and the nationalism of Japan related?

I confirmed the source quoted so that Flying-tyger might write "There were also campaigns to ensure reproduction amongst the "intelligent or superior elements" in the population".

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12155095&dopt=AbstractPlus

Following the outbreak of the Sino-Japanese war in 1937, the Japanese government established the Ministry of Health and Welfare and adopted, in 1938, the policy of population increase. The government began at once to formulate the National Eugenic Law which was promulgated in 1940 and put into force in 1941. The original draft of the law was first prepared by the members of the Imperial Diet since 1934. It included no prohibition concerning abortion or sterilization, but before the government submitted the bill to the Diet, and even after its enforcement, the restriction on birth control had gradually been strengthened. The law not only allowed sterilization to prevent reproduction of inferior descendants but prohibited sterilization and strictly limited induced abortion. At the same time, it was used as a means of strong support for the suppression of contraception. The eugenic movement did not advocate contraception as a means of eugenic control because it feared counterselection through the diffusion of contraception only among the intelligent or superior elements in the population. During the 1920s, the eugenic movement in Japan advocated contraceptives as a means of practicing eugenics, but then it adapted policies concerning population increase and assisted in the suppression of birth control. Eugenic measures became law when they were combined with a policy of population increase, and policy concerning population increase became realized as eugenic law. Many criticisms and objections were posed by the members of the Imperial Diet. Some were opposed to the principle of eugenics in the context of Shintoism. This law created tension between obstetricians and the government with regard to induced abortion. The Japanese Association of Obstetrics made the standard for medical application of induced abortion in 1943 and the government altered the judging authority from police administration to that of hygiene in 1942. The Eugenic Protection Law which was published in 1948 eased the tension in the field of maternal health in accordance with the general acceptance to slowdown population growth. But the law incorporated the same cautions concerning contraception. These aspects of the law, which were derived from the National Eugenic Law, strongly affected the mode of rapid fertility decline in Japan after the War.　

As for this source, it is being written that the militarism and the nationalism of Japan are unrelated. Why is Flying-Tyger related to the militarism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azukimonaka (talk • contribs) 18:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:Militarism and nationalism are very closely related in almost any context. However, the more pressing question, regarding this article would be how are militarism and eugenics related in a Japanese context. Sources seem to be pointing to opposition to eugenics, if anything, from the militaristic factions of Showa Japan. --ZayZayEM 07:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually on checking the "see also" links, nothing in the article suggests a link between Eugenics and Militarism in Japan; Militarism Socialism is an important topic to create context and should be included as a see also. Again nothing in this article, as far as I can tell links militarism and eugenics, so really its a non-sequitor/red herring that Azukimonaka is throwing in here.--ZayZayEM 07:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Ministry of Health and Welfare managed eugenics. --Azukimonaka 15:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

No response?

User Azukimonaka no response has been given because none is possible.

Your claims are a combination of nonsense; either from absurdity, illegibility, or simple trolling.

Please do not edit in a disruptive manner, use wikipedia to grind an axe or as a Battleground.--ZayZayEM 04:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I present the source, and am answering your question. It is easier to call TROLL than to investigate the history of Japan. Well, do you stop talking?　--Azukimonaka 15:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I wrote it in TalkPage of ZayZayEM. I am ready to make Timeline. It might be useful to understand Eugenics in Japan. Do you reject my proposal?　--Azukimonaka 15:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Reqphoto tag

--ZayZayEM 06:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Picture suggestions:

• propoganda posters to go with this topic c.f. Image:EnthanasiePropaganda.jpg
• rallies/gatherings by JSHHE
• photos of key figures; Ikeda Ringi, Nagi Hisomu, the Tojos
• pictures illustrating opposition by religious fundamentalist movements

Contraceptives

the Hiroshima abstract (quoted above anyway). Has some interesting information about the attitude towards contraceptives in Imperial Japan.

The eugenic movement did not advocate contraception as a means of eugenic control because it feared counterselection through the diffusion of contraception only among the intelligent or superior elements in the population. During the 1920s, the eugenic movement in Japan advocated contraceptives as a means of practicing eugenics, but then it adapted policies concerning population increase and assisted in the suppression of birth control.

This sort of information should be used to expand the article.--ZayZayEM 07:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Do you make "Birth control" confused with Eugenics?　--Azukimonaka 10:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

This article is about a specific eugenics movement. It may entail activities outside of the scope of pure eugenics. That aside, contraceptives can play a role in eugenics, indeed one might say it would be important.--ZayZayEM 09:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Margaret Sanger and Marie Stopes promoted the "Birth control" of Japan. (It has the women's liberation movement and implications. )　Are they related to Eugenics?　--Azukimonaka 16:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Is this an attempt to make a point? If the figures involved weren't related to eugenics, then, no their efforts don't relate to eugenics. Just as Alexander Bell's telephone doesn't have to with eugenics, but his thoughts on deaf people breeding do.--ZayZayEM 03:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Please write a final opinion. Do you want to add Birth control to the war crime of Japan?　--Azukimonaka 15:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Figure context

"From 1940 to 1945, the Japanese Empire sterilized 454 people."

Was this a total number of people sterilized? forced sterilized? were all sterilizations related to the eugenics laws? eugenics movement? did they fit the criteria (even better, is their a demographic breakdown of how they fit the criteria)?--ZayZayEM 09:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

454 people were sterilized arbitrarily. The compulsion of sterilization started in 1948. --Azukimonaka 14:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

1. 「優生問題を考える（四）──国民優生法と優生保護法 Matsubara Yoko - Research of Eugenics problem (Professor of Ritsumeikan University, researcher of Gender-blind and Eugenics.)

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