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In re: comments on my talk page

I think you make an interesting point, and when I have time in the next few days I'll try to find some sources from Native American leaders with their opinions on the issue. Also, I never suspected you had a bias, it became clear to me later that you were mainly concerned about the state of that article, and that's something I respect. For what it's worth, I do agree with many of your points about using Native American imagery and I have some reservations about the Indians' continued usuage of Chief Wahoo on their jerseys. Anyway, I do appreciate your help on this. Cumulus Clouds 05:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Church of baseball

So am I correct in guessing that you believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, and that there should be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter? Durova 21:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm in favor of the DH. :) Baseball Bugs 22:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh horror! Say it ain't so... —Wknight94 (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

More?

Sorry for cross-threading. What do you think of these?

• Baseball History (talk · contribs)
• Negro League Committee (talk · contribs)
• Robin Hawkins (talk · contribs)

I see 149.4.108.66 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 207.159.196.253 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) - usual Liebman IPs - mixed in with their edits. I was about to blast all three and soft-block the two IPs but wanted a second pair of eyes. At the very least, they're socks of each other. —Wknight94 (talk) 00:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

All blocked and all reverted. What a mess. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Help pricing

I need help pricing a baseballcard. Can you help me? -Tobi4242 01:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I plead the Sergeant Schultz defense. Baseball Bugs 01:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

???-Tobi4242 01:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

On the subject of baseball card prices, "I know nothing! Nothing!" Baseball Bugs 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Your user page

Hi. I just noticed you have a picture of bugs bunny on your user page. It's a fine picture, but it's certainly copyrighted and as such seems to violate WP:NFCC#8, which restricts non-free images to the main space. Definitely not user space. Sorry to bring this up but you're party to an arbcom case where people are muckraking, mudslinging, and bringing up things to use against people - you don't want anyone to accuse you of violating image policy. Maybe a nice free image of a rabbit? Wikidemo 17:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

BTW, if you're game, I've done some work on a baseball-related article that could use some major help, the 1989 World Series. The description of what happened in the game is very poor, just a series of random bullet points that doesn't tell the story. I would, but I don't know enough about baseball. Plus another series of bullet points about the earthquake. Wikidemo 17:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually it could very well be public domain if it was produced as a public service for the United States government during World War II, which seems to be the case. Durova 18:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

He was just pestered about this a few days ago. Click on the image - it's on Commons! With a nice description of why. Odd that two people have made the same oversight in one week. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the update and my bad for not checking the image file link. I'm dubious that this is a free image because the character is obviously copyrighted. Failing to obtain a copyright for the film does not release into the public domain previously copyrighted elements within the film (i.e. the characters). There's some case law on this, I think. This very issue has been discussed at some length over at WP:NONFREE. I don't know if we reached any resolution. But at least he has a claim that it's non-free, and I'm in no mood to pursue this. Wikidemo 19:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Even if you did, you'd have to go to Commons. I'd be surprised if no discussion has taken place there since they are quite strict about being 100% free and this undoubtedly raised some eyebrows. —Wknight94 (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I've posted it strictly based on the information at Commons claiming it's public domain. Baseball Bugs 20:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Cinemaniac

What's up, Baseball Bugs/Archive029!! You might not remember me, but at the beginning of the year I took part in a short-lived yet relevatory discussion with you, User:Brian, and User:WAVY 10, over Daffy Duck; that discussion, still available on that article's talk page, involved his voice origins and his recent resurgence. Towards the end of that discussion Brian advised that I sign up for an actual account, and I promised both of you that, if it ever came to be, I would let you know about it. Well---that day finally came. You can now refer to me officially as, not JS, but as User:Cinemaniac. ---Cinemaniac 04:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

That was awhile ago. Refresh my memory. :) Baseball Bugs 06:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Soitenly! Go to Talk:Daffy Duck and look under About the lisp and Happy Birthday, Daffy!. Here's the reason that debate started: You jokingly discarded Daffy's middle name as Dumas, and I later came out and apologized for editing that into the The Scarlet Pumpernickel page; during that apology, I also raised questions over whether or not Leon Schlesinger was the true inspiration for Daffy Duck's lisp. You then quickly apologized for calling me an ignoramus and then elaborated on your thoughts about Daffy's nonexistent middle name and the Chuck Jones/Bob Clampett feud. In a series of ongoing postings we both offered up vindication for both of our arguments and points...until User:BrianSmithson dropped by and argued for both stories about Daffy Duck's lisp origins to be included. USER:WAVY 10 also passed by and commented positively on my short mini-essay about Daffy Duck's resurgence. With the dispute about who originated Daffy Duck's lisp all but over, we all parted ways. Shortly afterward, however, you yourself responded to one of my postings on the talkpage over the cut the cards gag in the Marx Brothers film Horse Feathers. More recently (last month, in fact, you and I and another user had a discussion on Talk:Bugs Bunny over some vandalism concerning Bugs Bunny's "death". Any of that ring a bell? :D --- Cinemaniac 17:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Aha! Now it's coming back to me. For the record, the term I used was "ignoranimous", which is Bugsy's ironically ignorant way of calling someone else ignorant. :) And I also recall the alleged "death" of Bugs Bunny, which is a funny concept in that you can't kill something that's not actually alive. Alrighty then, may your cinemania continue. :) Baseball Bugs 17:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Cinemaniac 18:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, there's one loose end of our old Daffy Duck discussion that needs to be tied up. In that old debate, you brought up the possibility that Leon Schlesinger had only a slight lisp that was wildly exxaggerated by the animatorss for use by Daffy Duck. Well, I just recently re-watched Friz Freleng's 1940 animation/live-action hybrid short, You Ought To Be in Pictures---and it appears that you are right. Schlesinger doesn't have much of a lisp, if any at all, when he talks to Porky. I've also seen some old Christmas gag reels from the Termite Terrace crew that feature the boss, and there still doesn't seem tobe much of a speech impediment in his voice. Just thought I'd let ya know. -- Cinemaniac 21:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I recall reading somewhere that Blanc had overdubbed Schlesinger's voice in You Ought to be in Pictures, but after seeing it, I wasn't convinced. And if it's not much in evidence in the gag reels, where presumably it was actually him (though maybe not), then they probably just exaggerated it. Something else to keep in mind, that if I'm recalling correctly, might be the missing piece of that puzzle: In Daffy's debut in Daffy Duck and Egghead, Daffy only has a slight lisp, if I'm remembering right, and if so, then perhaps his original voice was not so far from Schlesinger's, and it just grew in exaggeration over time. In fact, in thinking more about it, that's probably the case. I don't think Daffy's slobbering was as strong in My Favorite Duck, for example, as it was in his later work. The WB cartoonists also caricatured Friz Freleng as their inspiration for Yosemite Sam, but Friz was not nearly (1) that short or (2) possessing that much facial hair. Don't know about the voice, but I expect that was a wild exaggeration also. Ya see, what artists do is take an "inspiration piece" and run with it, making it something separate and unique. As an out-of-left-field example, the Buddy Holly song "Peggy Sue" was inspired by a girl that a band member was dating, but from the artistic standpoint the song isn't really about that Peggy Sue, it's about anyone who can relate to the situation in the song. One clue to that is the subtlety of the line "You recall a girl that's been in nearly every song". "That girl" is anyone that anyone who hears the song might relate to. And that "universality" is what makes it art. (Shazam, my high school training is coming back to me.) Baseball Bugs 22:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Jerry Beck, a recognized authority in animation history, has confirmed in print and in an audio commentary for the Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 2, that Leon Schlesinger's real voice was, in fact, utilized for the aforementioned cartoon. -- Cinemaniac 19:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll check out the cartoon when I get the chance. Baseball Bugs 22:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The lisp is only in evidence during his "The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" song. Baseball Bugs 01:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh--do you mean The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down song from Daffy Duck and Egghead? Yes, that's one of the only times I hear Daffy (I assume we're talking about Daffy!) lisp in his first few years. -- Cinemaniac 13:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That's the one. And it's obviously drawn in a different style and presumably recorded at a different time than the soundtrack for the rest of the cartoon. Either way, it's a zany cartoon - Daffy is a total anarchist in that one. Baseball Bugs 13:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Tom Lehrer

My beliefs on the matter are irrelevant. The content you keep putting into the article on Tom Lehrer are not relevant to the article and adds nothing, which is why I keep undoing your edits. TechBear 19:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe you. Baseball Bugs 00:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Note to self: Further discussion was on that talk page, and it's a no-win, so it's over-and-out now. Baseball Bugs 22:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Church of Baseball names

I think you should add Saint to the beggining to some of the names on your Church of Baseball section.--Tascha96 09:25 (UTC), 29 October 2007

Good idea. St. Louis, St. Paul, etc. Baseball Bugs 01:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I've always liked your title "Church of Baseball", considering that the premier book on ballparks and their histories is titled Green Cathedrals. It all just works for me. -- Couillaud 16:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Our Josh Gibson discussion

Apologies in advance, but I just don't have the stomach to waste my time with YoSoyGuapo on this particular topic, as it's just not worth the time. I filed a complaint against him on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, and you can add a comment if you'd like. If it turns out that Misplaced Pages doesn't have the cojones to deal forcefully with this kind of trolling, I don't think I'll stick around.

I've been adding statistical lines to Negro Leaguers on Baseball Reference Bullpen ({ http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Dobie_Moore } for example), using the template that BRMo originally provided for Josh Gibson, and will eventually put in all the current Hall of Famers (based on Hogan's book) and the nominees (from SABR's and the Hall's information provided to the press during the voting). I've put in Gibson, Moore, Newt Allen, Cristobal Torriente, and Buck O'Neil so far. You might want to take a look. The best thing is that YoSoyGuapo can't mess with that, as his efforts at editing Gibson (same time of the edit war here) on that site was not well-received, and he's viewed there as less than one step up from Liebman.

--Couillaud 16:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)