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Angelo Fusco, Joe Doherty and Laurence McKeown. Pat McGeown should hopefully be bluelinked much later today as well.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 10:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work. When are you doing Pat?--Vintagekits 10:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

About half way through his article, should be done later today. I've already found a handy image for it on FlickR. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 10:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Cracking work I have to say. Need a hand?--Vintagekits 10:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll be all right I reckon, thanks for the offer. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 10:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Look at that bluelink! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

What about his name in gay lick?--Vintagekits 22:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

If I knew it, I'd add it.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ally will tell ya I'd say - Padraig Mac an Ghabhan. --Vintagekits 23:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Correct, though with a fada! Pádraig Mac an Ghabhann - Alison 06:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Jackie McMullan as well, and a few more articles on the way time permitting.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 09:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments

Please don't make nasty comments while editing. That ip traces to London anyway. Fred Bauder 16:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

My traceroute showed that it went through Embra. Not the first this month either - anyway point taken. regards.--Vintagekits 18:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Michael Gomez

Looking at the history of the editor concerned I am asuming this was vandalism. I assume no one will mind if you confirm my edit here was correct . Giano 19:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, Gomez was born in 1977.--Vintagekits 19:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

1977 it is then. Giano 19:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

21st of June 1977 that is!--Vintagekits 20:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Done! Giano 20:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

• Are these anon edits all correct - I see it nows says "was a boxer" is that correct? Giano 16:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

• That's a sockpuppet of a banned editor anyway, so I've reverted the edits. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I knew that 216 was our mate Robert.--Vintagekits 00:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Gomez Images

Do you own the copyright to the Gomez images VK? I notice they're from his official website and seem to have been taken by a photographer from http://www.britishboxing.net/, who presumably owns the copyright? Apologies if I'm missing something. Stu 08:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The images were given to me by the photographer who works with the site. I should probably get some more that arnt actually on the website to prove it.--Vintagekits 17:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Vk, you need to follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Copyright issues#Copyright owners who submitted their own work to Misplaced Pages. Those photographs are published under copyright on Gomez's page, so if they are not released by someone from that page they will be deleted from here as a copyvio. Rockpocket 17:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Stay off my page Rocket. If an admin (except you) wants me to forward them the email where the owner of the phots gives me that picture then I would be happy to provide that.--Vintagekits 17:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure he'll have actually released the copyright to you? Or is it the case that he has given you permission to use them on Misplaced Pages? If so, the copyright tag you have used is incorrect. Email him, using one of the examples at Misplaced Pages:Example requests for permission. Then follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Requesting copyright permission, there's a specific email address his reply has to go to. Stu 18:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

VK - forward them on to me if you like as I have access to OTRS permissions queue and can get it sorted for you - Alison 19:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll do it now.--Vintagekits 19:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Orthodox?

Ah, now you're asking. I think, like you said, the Orthodox stance article is the better of the two, and we only need one article.

Brain Rodeo has a point that there's likely more can be said about karate and what have you, but it seems like it might as well be all in one place, which means Orthodox stance again. Only if it got too big would there be a reason to split it up. If there are sections on different fighting sports, then I think you can make a redirect so that Orthodox (boxing) goes to the "Boxing" section and Orthodox (karate) to the karate section. I made one for the film at Orthodox Stance (film) and if you click on it, it seems to go to the right bit. So, I agree with you that it's better having this all at the one place.

Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Hope you're well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angusmclellan (talk • contribs) 21:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm grand. Thanks for the reply - I really just wanted reassurance that I wasnt being unreasonable and just backing the "stance" article because I created it. Maybe I will post something on the boxing project page with a link to the discussion of the Talk:Orthodox stance page. Maybe you could copy your response here on that discussion also. regards. --Vintagekits 21:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Lifer?

Hiya Vk. How you holding up? How much longer can they keep you in the cage? I must say your restraint is AWESOME. I know I couldn't do it! Very best as always (Sarah777 21:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC))

Get with the programme Sarah!! I've been free for a week! Get it!!--Vintagekits 21:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The champagne don't taste too good no more :( And archive all the evidence please, this page is browser intensive! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Jeez I went through that vast page looking for the release notice!!(Sarah777 22:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC))

here ya go - Rockpocket was fuming over it but hey thats not my problem.--Vintagekits 22:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Never spotted it was closed; obviously a watchlist of 2,000 isn't big enough. I like this one "Reversion of edits by anonymous IPs do not count as a revert" - Arbcom. That I can work with as certain strands of opinion are very prone to anonymous IP abuse and I'm not just talking about myself:) They know who they are. (Sarah777 22:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC))

Just for the record, in case you think I'm totally stupid/asleep, some of us have been studiously not noticing certain ... activities ... over the last while. Just so's you know! - Alison 00:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Why am I doing something that I should or shouldnt be doing?--Vintagekits 01:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Dunno. Maybe she is talking about me? (Sarah777 01:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC))

Look what I found One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 01:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It's because the ArbCom hasn't QUITE closed yet, they're still mucking about with the wording for the probation (Yes, there's motions to close but it hasn't formally closed yet).. It's close enough that I can scale back my WP time for the next lil bit. That's what Alison was mentioning, VK, that per the agreement you weren't supposed to be editing elsewhere till it closes.., but I think everyone involved thinks that the ArbCom's been hanging on so long that there's no real harm about enacting your freedom a bit early and not being anal about it. :) SirFozzie 01:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Zackly, Foz. Myself and VK had an agreement re. his unblocking which he'd been very careful to keep until maybe a week or so back. It still stands but he's ignoring it now, which is a pity but there ya go. It's not worth blocking about at this stage & it's not something I'll be doing, though I very much could. He knows where he stands - Alison 02:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles Closed

Here's a copy of the post I made to AN as the case clerk:

The above named Arbitration case has closed. The Arbitration Committee decided that ny user who hereafter engages in edit-warring or disruptive editing on these or related articles may be placed on Misplaced Pages:Probation by any uninvolved administrator. This may include any user who was a party to this case, or any other user after a warning has been given. The Committee also decided to uplift Vintagekits' indefinite block at the same time.

Due to the decisions, you are now no longer community banned. Make this chance count. - Penwhale | 08:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, VK! You're officially released :) Now you can go ahead and edit anything you like .... oh, wait! :) - Alison 10:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I give him a week, anyone taking bets? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 11:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Aye, cheers!!--Vintagekits 18:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm assuming good faith, so my bets are on Vk staying out of trouble. I'm not so sure that all those covered in the decision will start out of trouble, and this discussion suggests that some folks may not have fully grasped that The Old Ways are no longer acceptable. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I meant to say: good luck Vk. I really do want this to work for you. ---BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think he's going to be okay and will keep out of trouble. See how things go. I'm certainly not out to block him or anything. However, now that the arb case is over, all the other POV-warriors had better take note of the conditions of probation. And yes, ugh re. that conversation, BHG. It doesn't bode well, does it? - Alison 15:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmmm.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice new word there: athiest presumably means the person most closely associated with Athy. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I have no problems with BC and AD, but some entire cultures do, perhaps they are the "scum" referred to here I don't think VK at his most virulent ever managed to insult a couple of continents in one edit. Giano 21:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Northern Ireland

Setanta, Padraig, VK: I have protected the above article to prevent another edit-war. Given the ArbCom ruling, this really would not be a a good idea. Use the talk page, please. ELIMINATORJR 00:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what this has to do with me!--Vintagekits 18:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Freedom....for now!

Vintagekits

4) The indefinite community ban on Vintagekits (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) is lifted and he may edit normally subject to the terms of probation as defined in the enforcement ruling below.

   Passed 5-0 at 08:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC) 

Congrats; don't blow is carelessly - many of us are walking a tightrope to combat insidious POV which unfortunately seems invisible to much of the Anglophone world. All the more reason to be careful, especially in any conduct that could be interpreted as threatening. Take care - and if I get blocked you can visit me and quote my advice back to me! (Sarah777 02:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC))

It's great to check my watch list and see your name popping up. --Domer48 15:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• Great to see Gomez being improved. You'll be OK. Giano 15:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

World Amateur Boxing Championships

I object to your allegation that I made a "weasel insertion" with a good faith edit. I replaced the Northern Ireland flag image on that article, which I presumed editors like you would agree with. I am surpised that you are involved in NI flag related editing so soon after your ban was overturned. Please watch your edit summaries, and please assume good faith. Andrwsc 00:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll make you a deal - I'll watch me edit summaries and you watch your weaseling of the Union Jack into article to represent the occupied six! deal??--Vintagekits 00:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Huh? I'm just trying to make that article consistent. In every case — except for Belfast before my edit — the flag shown was the top-level flag for the sovereign nation. The flag of the Socialist Republic of Serbia was not used for 1978 Belgrade. The flag of Nevada was not used for 1986 Reno. The flag of New South Wales was not used for 1991 Sydney. Why then is it inappropriate for me to change this:

• Belfast, Northern Ireland

to this:

• Belfast, United Kingdom

I don't understand your complaint with my edit. Andrwsc 00:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

When it comes to Northern Ireland, flags are a major contentious issue and had a large part to play in the recent ArbCom case, see Northern Ireland flags issue. There's also the matter of flagcruft. The way you have it now, with no flags, is an improvement, IMO - Alison 00:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know all that. I'm involved in the current mediation, and I've contributed to the "flagcruft" discussion many times. But I thought that the anti-UB folks were in favor of the Union Jack as the only legal flag to represent NI. For example, back in May, I was pestered by those editors into adding the union variant to Template:Country data Northern Ireland so that you could use {{flag|Northern Ireland|union}} to render  Northern Ireland. Therefore, I remain puzzled why my edit (as described above) is problematic. Andrwsc 01:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand your frustration. It's often the case, though, that any flag associated in any way with NI is going to be problematic. Best off with none - Alison 01:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

First and only warning

Hello Vk, I'm in a bit of a quandary here because, despite what you have indicated previously about not being welcome to post here, I could either make this note on your talk page or block you. I think its in your interest to choose the former on this one and only occasion.

Please review Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles/Proposed decision: You were "placed on probation ... limited to one revert per article per week with respect to the set of articles included in the probation" This includes anything "relating to The Troubles, as well as the Ulster banner and British baronets" Today you twice reverted World Amateur Boxing Championships over the issue of the Northern Irish flag (see also section above), assuming bad faith in (twice) accusing another editor of "weasel insertion", then using knowingly inflammatory terms (The Occupied Six Counties is a phrase sometimes used by more extreme republicans, especially since the arrival of British troops, but originally employed simply to suggest the illegitimacy of the British presence) in discussion. This is exactly the sort of aggressive, confrontational, POV-language-laced editing that the ArbCom remedies are designed to stop, and your unprovoked politicization of the issue in discussion makes it clear these edits fall under the remit of ArbCom. Next time you violate WP:1RR will be blocked per the therms of your probation. (Feel free to removed this note, I'll take that as confirmation you have read and acknowledged it.) Rockpocket 01:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)