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Hey Man

I think I need your help and support. I go an e mail from an editor asking me to look at the List_of_gay_porn_stars section. These articles are riddled with POV, advertisement and spam. I tried to do a simple prod tag but oh my did I get the thrashing of my life! These subjects are the actual editors of their pages. So, when an editor goes in to try and edit the articles, they jump on them and remove any edits they do not like. The way the WP:PORNBIO is written, all these people have to do is to win an award or be able to write something about themselves in a web page and it can be entered into WP. When you click on the links for these pages, they take you to websites that you either have to agree to enter in on adult content or it takes you to their porno stores. The only way to get around these people is to put them up for AfD. I need some help here. Do you think you would like to join forces with me to rid WP os some of this crap? Let me know. I certainly could use the support and help Junebug52 18:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks Bug, but I can't help you until my block is resolved. --CyclePat 08:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Which will be resolved once you agree to stop going on about the AMA per your community ban. Æon 19:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

If you notice, you, and a couple others, are the ones that keeps going on about AMA. In fact, in one of your previous comments you even mentioned Esperanza. Should you be blocked for trolling? This thing about banning me because I hold an opinion and express an opinion that most others disagree with seems a bit unsettling to me. Why not just ignore me? When I talk about this alleged obsession? Surely, it should be easy for an inteligent person like yourself to realize exactly what you are doing? I hope you, yourself can move on to something more productive eventually? Nevertheless, if you do wish to continue discussing this issue I'll be happy to do so via email. In the mean time, please feel free to explore and add smirky comments (trolling) to other user's talk pages. p.s.: Just one question, what is the need to put me under a threat of re-banning if I so much as mentions the subject again? Surelly, as you have shown with your Esperanza example, it is difficult to not talk about our history without talking about our past. What we had was a dissagreement... Obviously you supported the close of AMA and I didn't. At the time there was no community concensus and there was a lack of communication on your behalf. Partly because of this, and other reasons, such as the removal of perfectly legitimate conversation to improve the AMA, the closing of the AMA, as I saw it, was trolling on behalf of the ones that closed it. Nevertheless, I'm being labelled a troll. So if you say I do X and it's considered trolling then maybe it is. However, I fail to see what X is anymore? And why it may be considered trolling, given the fact that the AMA has been shut down? --CyclePat 21:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Concensus?

Ryan had said "you are banned indefinately from mentioning AMA on wiki again, that includes all namespaces, if you are to mention it once more, the indefinate block will be reinstated permanently." The problem with this ultimatum is that even though I want to do that. I know, at some point in time, there will be an opportunity, a lesson to explain to someone, etc. that it would be ideal or opportunitistic (for educational purposes and nothing to do, as you ademently keep insisting, in a trollish manner. The last I checked, trolling was something that was there for disruption. The only disruptions I've seen, in my view, where a couple disgruntled Admins that closed the AMA. Hey! Great for them! Now they don't have to deal with verbios comments which may contradict their logic. But trully, for everyone else who is not an admin and who put there word down in the MfD, all I noticed where comments to keep on going. Now, where are these people now, I don't know, I could assume maybe they where blocked? Or maybe they don't care anymore? The problem I see, is that process wasn't followed. Every step that was taken did not have, or you didn't show the community support. It wasn't until after the fact. So all that to say... You closed down AMA. I disagreed. I tried to continue working with the AMA. You blocked me indefinatelly. You then got the community concensus (after the fact). I still disagree. I'm still blocked. AMA is no longer active, and all the pages are prety much protected. So what more is there to say. I guess I'll have to make a sacrifice. :( It's trully a sad day, when something you believe in destroyed in what I considered a very unethical way. However, again, I can make that sacrifice. I wonder though, I remember Tom Harrisson saying something like, if I leave the AMA he would support it not beeing deleted. Humm... Actually, let's assume they do come back, maybe by that time I'll look back and say something like "Well, that was a hard sacrifice then but, really I think I can do without out it now!"... (nevertheless, I promise not to talk about the AMA, however I reserve the right, should it ever become re-institutionalized (by someone other than I) to talk about the subject on the appropriate page.

Please bare with me whilst I take it to an admin board. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

• At last. Welcome back, Pat, I have unblocked you. Remember, though, that tolerance for agitation about AMA is about zero, so if we think you've gone out to find an excuse for wikilawyering your way back to discussing it, you will be blocked again in no time. However, right now, I think you've said what we want to hear, so you're good to go. Let's be really clear here: agitating for reinstatement is right out, explaining why it failed should be done with caution. Guy (Help!) 22:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

• A true personal sacrifice for me because of the disagreement on how things where being done, but, as we both know now, there wasn't very much left... except for principal! And nobody wants to hear about that right? Thank you for the unblock. --CyclePat 22:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

CyclePat

Now that this drama is over, even though I am not sure about what it was all about, can you please help me rid Misplaced Pages of some good old nastily written and advertisement ridden pornography? I need all the help I can get. I have some admins that are onboard with me to back me up as these people are ruthless about their porn. Please let me know. I need an old friend! Junebug52 23:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

This seems like a really big task. Is there a game plan? --CyclePat 22:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Just jump in bud and start removing fluff and things that are advertisements. I think you are good enough editor to know what is encyclopedic and proper for wikipedia. I think I would go to WP:PORNBIO. There are the guidelines for this crap. Junebug52 02:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:user:CyclePat/UTC Timezone

Most of the timezones from the above page have been deleted so I have removed them. Also user:CyclePat/Template has been deleted so I have removed that too.Please reply on my Talk Page. Kathleen.wright5 15:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

MS

One thing you're forgetting is that the page you are editing is a disambiguation page. It is not an article in its own right, and doesn't need to have citations, just links to articles which themselves may or may not be properly sourced. All the fact tags are inappropriate there, although in the interest of AGF I left all but three alone. Challenge the articles if you must (although I highly disagree with this on articles about SI units and state postal abbreviations) but on a dab page really the only criteria for removal are irrelevance and redlinks (which can occur if the subject article is deleted as unreferenced). Dethme0w 07:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Ottawa Islands

I can't remember. I may have used one of two methods. I may have said that the Belcher Islands and Mansel Island (GNU Tourism or Ottawa Islands at the Atlas of Canada and Mansel Island at the Atlas of Canada) are in the Qikiqtaaluk Region so the Ottawa Islands being between them are thus also in the same region. Being unlikely that the Kivalliq Region would reach out into the area for those islands. I might have used the coordinate discriptions of the regions to figure it out. The leagal discriptions were available from either the GNU or GC but I can't find it again. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The answer to that is both yes and no. Prior to division in 1999 the Northwest Territories included the Baffin Region, Northwest Territories, Keewatin Region, Northwest Territories and the Kitikmeot Region, Northwest Territories. After divison, along with some border changes, they were renamed the Qikiqtaaluk Region, Kivalliq Region and the Kitikmeot Region by the Government of Nunavut. However, StatsCan still calls them Baffin Region, Nunavut, Keewatin Region, Nunavut and Kitikmeot Region, Nunavut but the borders are identical between the current GNU and the StatsCan versions. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation page

Although it's good to have references, it is really rare to have references in disambig pages, especially when the disambig content itself has an article about it, which provides references inside. OhanaUnited 05:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The article removed where all verified. The references provide within the article removed and placed on the talk:MS (disambiguation) where either non existant or insuficiently reliable to meet wikipedia's standards for reliable sources. And, that' even while trying still trying to use common sense (common knowlege). --CyclePat 05:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to help right now I'm lookin into http://www.iupac.org/reports/provisional/abstract06/murray_prs.pdf to see if I can find a source for Mass Spectrometry... making a reference with easybib, page 24.... etc... --CyclePat 05:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

EgyptAir

EgyptAir's IATA code IS NOT original research. Your continued demands that every last iota of information be individually sourced is bordering on disruptive, and I am no longer inclined to assume good faith on your part. Please stop. Dethme0w 21:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I did not blank out any content. And your warning is quite rude considering I know the rules on 3RR and have been working for a while with wikipedia. --CyclePat 21:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

3RR doesn't apply here. You removed content from an article and mis-cited guidelines to justify it. And you've got a history of this behaviour. A warning is appropriate, because your edits are disruptive. Dethme0w 22:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Goodbye! --CyclePat 22:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It appears that you've been wasting the time of numerous editors, first by engaging in a pointless tag war on EgyptAir (demanding a cite for a noncontroversial fact that is supported by a reference on a page one link away) and then by crossposting a minor complaint on multiple boards. This has prompted me to review your recent conduct in general, and I note that you're also engaged in a pointless edit war on the MS disambiguation page.

Your conduct at both articles has been disruptive, and likely has been disruptive to prove a point. I will block you if you continue to edit war on these – or any – articles over your own misinterpretation and misapplication of WP:OR and WP:V. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I really don't see the link you're talking about could you please direct me. I'm really confused about what your saying. When I checked the link at the the the time there where no link to show a reference of MS with EgyptAir. I asked this question and now it appears as though there is a proper citation. Again, I have no clue what you are talking about in a reference which is one link away (which I did check). Furthermore, the information, according to me was contreversial because I coudn't find any reliable source. I'm sorry if questions appear disruptive however until recently I trully had no "reliable" references (which I again I did follow the ITA something) to show that MS is the related to EgyptAir. Again, this has been resolved between Dethme0w and I. Goodbye!

I have trouble reconciling your statement that the matter has been 'resolved' with your recent complaints to WP:AN/I and elsewhere. As your edit war on EgyptAir was not the first instance of this sort of trouble, I will be keeping an eye on your conduct in the future. As I said, I only intend to block you for disruption if you continue to be disruptive. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hey Pat, thank you so much for support my successful RfA and trusting Ryan's judgment. I'm humbled to have the community's trust. As I master the ways of the mop and bucket, please don't hesitate to message me for any advice or corrections. Cheers! Spellcast 23:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

What I don't understand ..

is exactly what the point is of your current battle to insist on rigorous sourcing of the abbreviation 'MS' in so many articles. Could you please explain? I feel that knowing what you're doing and why you're doing it will help understanding between everyone involved. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 10:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

"This week MS, next week MT." p.s.: I'm sorry but I have no other answer than human curiousity and finding out the original sources as per wikipedia's policy. Pick one thing and do your best and finding the sources. Always ask questions and always try to find out how and where the original source (usually an assumption) was made. --CyclePat 13:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I take it that Montana is about to lose its postal abbreviation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.63.240 (talk) 19:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

OMG! LOL! HAHA :) I'm crying over here. LMAO ROF! I love a good sense of humour. --CyclePat 23:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Sadly enough, you're right. The article doesn't even make reference to the Postal Code. Thankfully I have some experience sourcing the MS article and I can easily find the information now! But, I would have probably done the same thing with Montana had I not gained previous experience with Mississippi? (head shaking... omg) --CyclePat 23:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

CyclePat, I have reverted your change on the MS disambig page. Your actions have the appearance of being disruptive by focusing on a single aspect and summarily ravaging the articles linking to it. Please consider what others have asked you and I am asking you. spryde | talk 04:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

For those of you that appear to be stalking me. I've replied to this here --CyclePat 06:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Your comment on Rifleman 82's talk page

Not a problem, I wasn't annoyed, so sorry if my reply appeared to be pointed. All the best Tim Vickers 04:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation

You have been here long enough that I shouldn't have to point out to you that this is a copyright violation. It was lifted from here. I would ask that if there is anymore information in the article that violates copyright you remove it right away. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

euh! yah. Sorry is all I can say for now. --CyclePat 22:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. We all make mistakes. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Blocked for disruptive reference edit warring

Pat, after repeated warnings, you've gone back to the same conduct that I warned you about.

• You were edit warring to include a citation on 1 E-3 s (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) to confirm that ms is an SI abbreviation for millisecond.
• You included a WP:POINTy references to WP:SYN in your citation, while simultaneously (and erroneously) changing the abbreviation from ms to Ms: .
• You made a frivolous 3RR report over the matter: . The article has now been protected due to your silliness.

I'm suspending your editing for 24 hours. When you come back, try to find sources and citations for contentious, nonobvious facts, or do something else useful and productive. Don't waste your time and everyone else's on silly citations and pointless revert wars. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)