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=== Log of blocks and bans === === Log of blocks and bans ===

Revision as of 16:39, 21 November 2007

Case Opened on 16:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Case Closed on 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a participant in this case. (All participants are subject to Arbitration Committee decisions, and the ArbCom will consider each participant's role in the dispute.) Comments are very welcome on the Talk page, and will be read, in full. Evidence, no matter who can provide it, is very welcome at /Evidence. Evidence is more useful than comments.

Arbitrators, the parties, and other editors may suggest proposed principles, findings, and remedies at /Workshop. That page may also be used for general comments on the evidence. Arbitrators will then vote on a final decision in the case at /Proposed decision.

Once the case is closed, editors may add to the #Log of blocks and bans as needed, but closed cases should not be edited otherwise. Please raise any questions at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Requests for clarification.

Involved parties

Requests for comment


Statement by Hajji Piruz

Due to persistent personal attacks, canvassing, false accusations, harassment, attempts at splitting Misplaced Pages up along national lines, telling users what to and what not to edit, and abuse of Misplaced Pages’s rules, I’ve had enough. Atabek’s behavior is highly disruptive, especially towards me. He even rejected a peace proposal I had put forth, which I had done in an attempt to end the dispute. The only way to solve this issue is for Atabek and I, just the two of us, without any outside interference, post our evidence and let the third party neutral administrators decide what action to take. I can prove my innocence against Atabeks false accusations, I can prove everything I have just said about Atabek, and I can show his general disruptive behavior on Misplaced Pages. Atabek has never brought up a single piece of evidence supporting any of his calims against me, yet he persists, and the last couple of days took the last straw for me, I’m sick of being continuously harassed and having to waste hours of my time defending myself against things I didn’t do, when I could be making even more contributions to Misplaced Pages than I am now. I will post all of my evidence when the arbcom is opened, as I do not want to take up anyones time here. Thank you.

  • You can speak to several admins, such as Tariqabjotu, who can confirm that the other users Atabek wants involved in this arbcom have nothing to do with our dispute. I dont know why he is getting into un-related issues, but there are also several suggestions of other users to include relating to other articles that I could also add, but again, this dispute isnt about any articles or any content, its about user behavior. This is a personal issue between Atabek and I. I'd appreciate it if Tariqabjotu can come here and confirm this, as he knows what this dispute is about better than anyone else except for Atabek and I. Including other users will not solve the problems that Atabek and I have with each other, they will worsen them. I just wanted to clear that up.
    • I thought this would be Atabek and I only, but I guess since other users have been involved by Atabek and the entire Armenia-Azerbaijan arbcom is being re-opened, we might as well deal with the other involved parties as well. I added the User:Grandmaster, User:Parishan, and User:Dacy69, as they are also involved parties as much as Pejman, Alborz, etc...
      • One last statement. Atabek, Dacy69, and Grandmaster are all making comments here blatantly making false accusations with false diffs (the diff's they are showing are completely different then how they describe them) in an attempt to manipulate the administrators into having a negative opinion of me before the arbcom has even started. The directions clearly said to make a short 500 word summary, I could have posted a ton of evidence myself. Statements so far, such as Girlandjo's clearly show that there is already a bias based on the false accusations of these three users.

Statement by Atabek

I have indicated to the User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani earlier as I do now, that I have no interest in wasting community's time on this issue. User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani did not completely try other methods of dispute resolution such as assuming good faith, CEM, seeking content mediation, or simply discussing on talk pages without emotion. Given these facts, I don't see a reason for his initial request for ArbCom attention at this point, as all he had to do is to WP:AGF as advised by a 3rd party . Nevertheless, here are some facts to ArbCom's attention:

  • 2. User:Hajji Piruz then started his first personal attack upon myself in the form of editing my user page without permission. As you can clearly see, the purpose of the edit was intimidation and provocation, and that objective was clearly spelled out by User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani here . Note that at the same diff the user goes as far as charging administrators and ArbCom judges with corruption.
  • 4. Bothered by the attacks of User:Hajji Piruz upon myself on discussion pages in support of socks, I have asked him to assume good faith , yet the user has clearly responded that he "does not need to AGF" with regards to myself .
  • 6. Pursuing an endless discussion thread at User:Tariqabjotu's talk page and accusing me of canvassing, User:Hajji Piruz has managed to pursuade the former to support his campaign. User:Hajji Piruz was first advised to open a CEM case, and when I simply asked a 3rd party user for advise , User:Hajji Piruz immediately backtracked from CEM idea and further accused me on canvassing. He clearly chose not try this avenue of dispute resolution which I never rejected.
  • 7. Continuing on, User:Hajji Piruz then convinced User:Tariqabjotu to file an RfC against myself , an effort which nevertheless failed to yield sufficient public support. Even some 3rd party users have noted that User:Hajji Piruz was clearly intimidating me and provoking a conflict . User:Hajji Piruz has even requested an RfC comment about myself from a sock for whom he made the talk page and even made comment generalizing along national lines . He stated his RfC desired outcome as banning myself from Misplaced Pages, which was his "approach" to dispute resolution, again no good faith.
  • 8. User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani is now trying to continue on with his goal in ArbCom, wasting the committee's valuable time. Instead of advised WP:AGF, he goes on revert warring and even clearly Wikistalking myself on the articles that he has never touched before me, sometimes minutes after I edit them , .
  • 9. Demonstrates disturbingly radical forms of ethnic slander .

I think User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani needs to be explained that he needs to WP:AGF and try various avenues of dispute resolution, before simply claiming those as failed. In my case, I am simply forced to defend myself against blackmail, wikistalking, intimidation, revert warring, and provocation by User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani.

I prefer the path of disengagement, dispute resolution and path of ceasing to waste community's time. As I told User:Hajji Piruz already, after my one-way attempts to AGF, I shall simply ignore his comments , because I don't like to engage with people who are clearly in Misplaced Pages for non-encyclopedic purposes and battling along national lines and .

  • I agree with Dacy69 and Grandmaster, that this case is not Armenia-Azerbaijan related. And as User:Ghirlandajo properly noted, this waste of ArbCom's time is based on a single User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani, who is unable to assume good faith and engages in edit warring and wikistalking on various pages related to Azerbaijan, Armenia and Iran. I believe the dispute can be resolved simply by convincing the source of the problem about WP:AGF. Atabek 23:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  • User:Houshyar is currently involved in Wikistalking and just reverting me without explanations.
  • User:Hajji Piruz joined sockpuppet and sockpuppeteer User:Pam55 and User:Behmod in revert warring and here with a difference of 4 minutes . Both accounts were blocked based on CheckUser.
  • User:AlexanderPar is just involved in revert warring on the pages along with User:Hajji Piruz and others, most of the time without any explanation or discussion on the talk page. Particularly notable are his attempts to renounce Amnesty International reports and upholding Iranian POV and OR sources.
  • Both User:Vartanm and User:MarshallBagramyan have escaped the previous ArbCom yet engaged in revert warring at Varoujan Garabedian, ASALA, and several other pages on Azerbaijan-Armenia topics. They should be in ArbCom.
  • User:Alex Bakharev unblocked confirmed sockpuppets of User:Behmod and User:Pam55 citing that they're at the same university based on private emails to him. This unilateral decision has been discussed at WP:ANI - .
  • User:Hajji Piruz unable to assume good faith again and using the same form of personalization despite my obvious attempts to provide references and constructively discuss them at Talk:Qajar dynasty.

Statement by User:Grandmaster

The problems on Iran - Azerbaijan related pages are mostly caused by one person - User:Hajji Piruz. This person has been edit warring almost on every Azerbaijan related article, making controversial edits and enlisting other Iranian users to support his edits. Hajji Piruz was wikistalking User:Atabek for quite some time, and editing Atabek’s personal page by Piruz and adding Atabek to the category of sockpuppeteers was a culmination of this campaign. User:Hajji Piruz clearly stated the desired outcome in the RfC he started on Atabek, which is getting Atabek permanently banned.

Behavior of User:AlexanderPar also deserves special attention of the admins. This user is deleting any quotes that do not match the official position of Iranian government, accusing those who tries to add such information of “soapboxing”. For instance, he deleted the quotes from Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International a number of times, even when they were added by such perfectly neutral members of wiki community as User:Francis Tyers (who is neither Azeri nor Iranian). Francis explained many times that those sources are reliable, but his edit was reverted nonetheless with the same accusation of soapboxing: Moreover, AlexanderPar even reverted along the way the edit by the admin User:Alex Bakharev, who tried to present the different positions in a more balanced form. In its current form Iran newspaper cockroach cartoon controversy article is pretty far from WP:NPOV standards, as it suppresses the info about ethnic tensions in Iran and presents them as nothing but foreign conspiracy. As of now, AlexanderPar keeps deleting HRW quotes from other articles under various pretexts. As one can see, this user violates WP:NPOV, WP:AGF and WP:NPA. As result of edit warring, this user has recently been blocked:

Since this case is titled Armenia – Azerbaijan, I would also like to draw the attention of the arbitrators to User:Hetoum I, User:MarshallBagramyan and User:VartanM. Hetoum I is known for being engaged in vandalism of my user page about one year ago. At that time he was using the name of User:Hetoum. Overall, Hetoum vandalized my user page 18 (!) times, inserting obscene images and insulting comments. The fact was established by the admin User:Nlu, who placed multiple sockpuppeteer tags on Hetoum's user page and left this message: Nlu removed the tags only on a condition that Hetoum would stop edit warring and vandalizing: I think admins Nlu and User:Khoikhoi can provide additional info about this. It was not really difficult to establish that Hetoum was the puppeteer since he was using the same IP to vandalize my page and edit his own: But soon after the Armenia – Azerbaijan arbcom case Hetoum (who changed his name to User:Hetoum I) returned to editing pages related to this topic in his usual style, edit warring and making personal attacks on other users, contributing under both his registered name and anon IP: As result, the page Church of Kish got protected. I raised the issue at WP:ANI: Hetoum has an active support of User:VartanM, who keeps reverting the same page to Hetoum's version. When the page was unprotected, Hetoum and VartanM resumed edit warring, each breaking the 3RR rule, and the page got protected again.

As for User:MarshallBagramyan, this user has been actively edit warring on a number Armenia - Azerbaijan related pages. On Khachkar destruction in Nakhchivan he was removing sources that contradicted his claim that deportation of Persian shah Abbas affected only Armenian population, until the admin Khoikhoi restored those sources. Only then Marshall stopped edit warring. On Armenian Revolutionary Federation Marshall was removing the sources about involvement of ARF in ethnic massacres and assassination of Russian officials in the beginning of the 20th century. Only when admin User:Thatcher131 evaluated the sources and confirmed that Marshall should not be removing verifiable info Marshall stopped his edit warring: The same behavior continues on other articles this user is involved in, he even removes the tags that are attached to indicate that the contents of the article are disputed. I think it was a mistake to place some users on parole and let others go, as those not on parole instantly took advantage of the situation and resumed edit warring. I would propose as a better solution placing all topic related pages on parole, that would be a more effective measure.

I would like to ask the arbitrators to review the situation with the account of User:Pam55. Checkuser proved that Pam55 was a sock of User:Behmod: Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pam55. Subsequently, both Pam55 and Behmod were banned indefinitely by admin User:Alison. However, later admin Alex Bakharev unblocked both accounts, stating that they belong to the students in the same university. The account of User:Pam55 was used to make reverts to controversial articles like Azerbaijani people, History of the name Azerbaijan or 300 (film). It is highly improbable that a new user would accidentally become aware of the disputes on those articles and appeared right in time to rv in favor of a certain POV. I raised the issue at WP:ANI: I think that unblocking Pam55 was a mistake, it is either a sock or meatpuppet and as such should be banned. Grandmaster 06:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by user:Dacy69

I would like to draw attention to user:Hajji Piruz (formerly known user:Azerbaijani disruptive activity in Misplaced Pages where he drew several meatpuppets like user:AlexanderPar, user:Pejman47, user:Alborz Fallah and others to launch edit war on page Iranian Azerbaijan, Azeri cartoon controversy in the Iran newspaper, Ethnic minorities in Iran.

  • Meatpuppets are appearing usually after user:Hajji Piruz starts edit war and make reverts for user:Hajji Piruz since he is on revert parole without any substantial comments on talkpages. Some of them only lately were involved in talkpages after some appeals to discuss issues before making edits. As soon as I touch the article user:Hajji Piruz and his meatpuppets remove referenced info.
  • The dispute started on page Iranian Azerbaijan on the relevancy my multisourced edit . After dispute started I opened RfC, and accepted RfC initial proposal made by admin user:Alex Bakharev but other editors did not. Later dispute also arose on other related pages.
  • Another important issue needs to be resolved is the use of Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and similar sources. Some editors like user:AlexanderPar keep removing them, arguing that they are not neutral and can not be used in Misplaced Pages. As a result of user:Hajji Piruz and his meatpuppets activity certain Misplaced Pages pages are hijacked by Iranian government POV. Thus, integrity and neutrality of Misplaced Pages at some points is disrupted.
user:AlexanderPar has placed misleading comments on his comment section. He is still continue edit warring, removes neutral sources from several pages (see for example Ethnic Minorities in Iran and claims that he do nothing and shoudn't be here.
  • user:Alborz Fallah made comment along the ethnic line and in spirit of battleground and this quite insulting about Azerbaijani literature ]. It is interesting to mention that this article appeared during the dispute though I don’t have problem with its content and assume good faith.
  • Activity of user:Hajji Piruz should be thoroughly investigated. This is the only case where I can’t assume good faith. Having taken name “Azerbaijani” he was involved in edit war (that case was considered in previous Arbitration where I was involved too) and supported Armenian editors vs. Azerbaijani. Now he is waging edit war on many Azerbaijani related pages, making insults, e.g. , can’t work towards compromise, making false reports on ANI. He has history of backing banned user:Tajik and his socks, forging images, placing POV comments and violation of copyrights.
  • I am fully aware that my own behavior will be investigated since I am on Arbcom parole. I admit that 2 times I was provoked and involved in edit war and got blocked for that.

Summary of request:

  • Edit on page Iranian Azerbaijan and other abovementioned pages
  • Use of sources like Amnesty International
  • Name of the page related to anti-Azeri cartoon in Iran newspaper
  • Edit war on the part of above-mentioned users.

NOTE on the title of the case I don't agree with a new title of the case. It is not only about Armenia-Azerbaijan. It should be also focused on Iranian editors. There is linkage - user:Hajji Piruz was involved in previous one on the side of Armenian editors and now he is attacking Azerbaijan related pages with a group of Persian editors. It is pity we should distingiush editors by ethnic affiliation but that is important to understand the nature of the problem. --Dacy69 18:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

  • New Users - some new users was added to this case. I think this new insertion is fully justifiable. For example, editor user:Hetoum I was involved in edit war on page Church of Kish, POV pushing by using non-neutral sources and incivility. This is his insult which I reported 2 times to ANI but without any reaction from admins

REQUEST for Temporary Injunction While consideration of this case is pending I request urgent action with regard to user:AlexanderPar. He continues edit warring and removes multisourced information without any discussion on the talkpage

Statement by user:Alborz Fallah

  • Well , I think all of this is because misinterpretation ! About the "spirit of battleground " I did discussed it for two times that it was only a logical comparison between similar cases to help the opposite party to understand the case and that was not an invitation for retaliation."insult about Azerbaijani literature" is also from the same kind : I'm an Iranian-Azeri myself and when Atabek criticized about my Azeri illiteracy , I wanted to mention that until only 100 years ago , Azeri has not been a written language and changing it's script from Cyrillic to Latin alphabet also has made it a new written language then it can't be considered as "insulting about Azerbaijani literature "--Alborz Fallah 17:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by non-involved Ghirla

Despite the ArbCom's efforts to defuse the situation, the Armenian-Azerbaijani-Turkish-Iranian articles are still a mess of never-ending revert-warring. When I wrote the page Third Perso-Turkic War and made a few edits to Church of Kish, I unexpectedly found myself in the middle of some massive hostilities whose purpose escapes me. I don't know which side of the dispute is right (if any), but I feel that even the most harmless edits on the Armenian-Azerbaijani-Turkish-Iranian articles are now perceived as a deliberate offense. The situation is not good, since it makes editing a large swath of articles rather stressful, therefore I urge the Arbitrators to investigate the case. It appears to me that the newest drama hinges on the person of Hajji Piruz, but I may be mistaken. Now a more general observation. ArbCom's decisions concerning the "hot spots" of Eastern Europe do not appear to work as they were probably intended. Once some folks are banned, new revert warriors instantly take their place in the ranks. For crying out loud, Occupation of Latvia 1940–1945 is currently subjected to intense revert warring which may (or may not) involve sockpuppetry. --Ghirla 17:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by VartanM

This argument between Iranians and Azeris has nothing to do with me or any other user from Wikiproject Armenia. I hereby request that the name of this case be changed and my name taken off this arbcom case. VartanM 06:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by non-involved Hetoum I

I second VartanM. This has nothing to do with Armenians. I request my name off as well.Hetoum I 06:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Alex Bakharev

I do not know if I am involved or not, I have learnt that my name was on the original list but it is not now (obviously I am ready to explain my edits if needed). One of the sources of the problems is that most of active Azaeri and Armenian editors are either banned or on probation. As a result there is a balanced peace in Armenian-Azeri conflicts but disbalance in other perennial conflicts like Armenian-Turkish and Azeri-Iranian. It looks like one revert per week make impossible even the normal WP:BRD cycle. I (and probably other users) was contacted from the both sides asking to make edits (reasonably founded) on their behalf as they afraid that by doing it themselves the edits maybe considered a partial revert. There are also many throw-away accounts that look like socks. It is not good amd make people nervous.

The immediate reason for the conflict was the content dispute over Iran newspaper cockroach cartoon controversy. I think the editing was sort of hot but the article is in good shape, went to WP:DYK and reasonably neutral as it is now.

I would think that maybe we can lift the 1RR parole for the involved users from the articles outside the Armenian-Azeri conflict, e.g. Armenian-Turkish and Azeri-Iranian may improve things. Alex Bakharev 06:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by non-involved Marshal Bagramyan

I'm at complete odds as to why I am supposed to be here. I'm currently on vacation, I have been for almost a week. I do not even what this dispute is even about.--Marshal Bagramyan 06:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by AlexanderPar

I have no idea how I can be considered a "party" to this ArbCom request. Evidently, User:Dacy69 simply added me to this ArbCom request as a retaliatory measure, since I reported him for a 3RR violation a few days ago. Otherwise, and I have never edited any Azerbaijan Republic or Armenian pages (expect for one article I created myself), I have a clean block log, and if there is anything wrong with my editing, from what I understand there should be a RFC filled against me first. User:Dacy69 has also added a bunch of other people to the list of parties who are either uninvolved, or have minimal involvement in this dispute. I suspect that User:Dacy69 is doing this to make this ArbCom case unworkable, and deflect attention away from himself and others who were involved in the previous ArbCom.

I first encountered User:Dacy69 on Iranian Azerbaijan, responding to a RFC filled by User:Dacy69 . After expressing my opinion about the dispute, I immediately became a target of personal attacks, threats, and accusations by User:Dacy69 and User:Atabek. From the discussions there, I found my way into two other articles involving these two users. I soon noticed that User:Dacy69 is on some sort of ethnic/political crusade to turn Misplaced Pages into a soapbox. Always aided by User:Atabek and User:Grandmaster, he kept copy-pasting some poorly-sourced human rights reports on multiple articles, even geography articles, in an activist mode, which looked like blatant soapboxing, I raised the issue on admin's board , and an admin confirmed that human rights/political websites are not reliable sources. But User:Dacy69 not only did not stop soapboxing, but actually he along with User:Atabek and User:Grandmaster, broadened the scope of the dispute into new Iranian pages, in a deliberate attempt to provoke.

My own observation is that User:Dacy69, User:Atabek and User:Grandmaster appearer to be extremely disruptive editors who deliberately provoke edit-wars by soapboxing, ethnic activism, and gaming their revert parole. I also believe that the previous ArbCom did not fully examine their disruptive behavior. For example, as noted by an admin , it's astonishing that despite User:Dacy69's revert parole restrictions imposed by ArbCom, he still manages to violate 3RR on a page by making 4 reverts in less than a day.AlexanderPar 08:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Behmod

  • In my case, user Atabek or User:Dacy69 did not try any of dispute resolution steps. They did not even contact me for one time. I might have my point of view, but it's not necessary the same with all the users here. I have been added in a retaliatory measure, by Dacy69 because I once reported Atabek for breaking 1rr. If these users have any problem with my POVs, I opnly welcome them to start the discussion toward solving the problem. I am kindly requesting admins’ opinions. Should I be involved in this arbcom at this stage or should Atabek and Dacy69 try other steps of dispute resolution with me first? In case that admins confirm that I am involved in this arbcom, I would provide supportive evidence.
  • I think that the scope of these Arbcom should be narrowed down to persons who are directly involved in this case and if users from the Republic of Azerbaijan have problems with all editors of Azerbaijan related articles, they should first try other steps of dispute resolution with each of them. It is not rational that they bring all people who once have an edit not in their favor into this Arbcom.
  • My understanding is that some users try to bring many people to these Arbcom just to misdirect Admins from their inappropriate behaviors that cause many misunderstanding for others, such as being continually involved in edit wars with many users, deleting referenced information by reliable sources, pushing their POVs without paying attention to what is written in scholar sources, bringning everybody who is not in the circle of their ideological friends into Arbcom....

Moreover, these users take time and energy of many users by their unnecessary bustles. I really believe that they decrease the efficiency of many other users that have high potential of having good contributions in Misplaced Pages by this. These days, above users use this strategy to misdirect the Arbcom case from themselves who are the main people involved in these dispute and most of people who are here are not really involved. They are fussing about nothing these days just to misdirect attentions from themselves. For example, from the case that I personally observed, they started accusing two users that are obviously different users to be sockpuppet of each others. These users have several edits at the same time, never be involved in any 3rr, they are interested in many different topics and one of them just reverted one time in favor of the other one in all of her 6 months of editing in Misplaced Pages. Anyhow, asuming good faith. I initiated the first step of dispute resolution with Atabek ], hope to hear a good feedback from him.--behmod talk 01:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Aynabend

I honestly do not understand what was the purpose and need for this arbitration, why Hajji Piruz who is of an Iranian descent is initiating arbcom naming it "Azerbaijan-Armenia" and not "Azerbaijan-Iran"? Is the plan to make users contributing to Azerbaijan and Armenia related articles to fight all the time? I have only contributed to Wiki with original, third party sources and maps in the articles related to Azerbaijan/Armenia. Trying to cover and drown as many as possible who do not agree with you must be the aim of this evil initiative. I hope such a destructive users will be unsuccessful in their attempts. --Aynabend 20:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Statement by non-involved Aivazovsky

I'm not sure why I'm here. I haven't been involved in any major Armenia-Azerbaijan dispute in awhile and it seems that this RfA has more to do with Iranians and Azeris than Armenians and Azeris. Needless to say, I don't want to be involved in this at all. Therefore, I removed my name and thus I am uninvolving myself from this mess. -- Aivazovsky 02:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Your last 7-day block was for edit-warring on Azerbaijan article . If other Armenian users are involved, so are you.--TigranTheGreat 09:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
While I still consider myself non-involved in this case, I guess if other Armenian editors (including our vacationing friend, Marshall) are in on this thing than I am too. I still say that this is mostly an Iranian-Azeri dispute though. -- Aivazovsky 11:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Preliminary decisions

Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (4/0/0/0)

Temporary injunction (none)

Final decision

All numbering based on /Proposed decision (vote counts and comments are there as well)

Principles

Negotiation

1) Willingness to negotiate in a more or less civil way with the other editors of an article is a condition of editing the article.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Sources

2) Armenian, Azeri or other local sources are subject to the same requirements of reliability as any other scholarly or journalistic sources. Use of material from propagandistic nationalist sites is unacceptable.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring considered harmful

3) Edit warring is harmful. When disagreements arise, users are expected to discuss their differences rationally rather than reverting ad infinitum. Revert rules should not be construed as an entitlement or inalienable right to revert, nor do they endorse reverts as an editing technique.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Consensus

4) Misplaced Pages works by building consensus through the use of polite discussion. The dispute resolution process is designed to assist consensus-building when normal talk page communication has not worked. Sustained edit-warring is not an appropriate method of resolving disputes, and is wasteful of resources and destructive to morale.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a battleground

5) Misplaced Pages is a reference work. Use of the site for political struggle accompanied by harassment of opponents is extremely disruptive and absolutely unacceptable.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

6) Users who engage in disruptive editing may be banned from the site.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Courtesy

7) Misplaced Pages users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their dealings with other users. Insulting and intimidating other users harms the community by creating a hostile environment. Personal attacks are not acceptable.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Assume good faith

8) Users are expected to assume good faith in their dealings with other editors, especially those whom they had conflicts with in the past.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppeteers

9) Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppeteers is not a label that is appropriately placed by one user on another user they are in conflict with.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Diplomacy

10) It is when there are serious disagreements that courteous negotiation is most necessary.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Reliability of sources

11) Determining the reliability of sources is a matter of sound editorial judgment informed by expertise.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Requests for comment

12) A user-conduct request for comment represents a forum in which editors may raise concerns about the conduct of a fellow editor. Although this procedure can be misused, when utilized in good faith it presents an editor with the opportunity to learn that concerns exist about his or her behavior, respond to the concerns, and if appropriate adjust his or her behavior.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Verifiability

13) Significant verifiable information from a reliable source can generally be included in an article, per Misplaced Pages:Verifiability and Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Provocation

14) When another user is having trouble due to editing conflicts or a dispute with another user it is inappropriate to provoke them as it is predictable that the situation will escalate. Provocation of a new or inexperienced user by an experienced and sophisticated user is especially inappropriate.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet abuse

15) The use of sockpuppet accounts, while not generally forbidden, is discouraged. Abuse of sockpuppet accounts, such as using them to evade blocks and bans, make personal attacks or reverts, or vandalize, is strictly forbidden.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Users national background and neutrality

17) Editors with a national background are encouraged to edit from a Neutral Point of View, presenting the point of view they have knowledge of through their experience and culture without aggressively pushing their particular nationalist point of view by emphasizing it or minimizing or excluding other points of view.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Findings of Fact

Results of the prior Arbitration

1) The remedies imposed by Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan#Remedies have somewhat reduced edit warring, but have had the effect at times of increasing incivility on talk pages.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Remedies

Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

Supervised editing

1) Hajji Piruz and the other users placed on revert limitation in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan#Remedies are subject to supervised editing. They may be banned by any administrator from editing any or all articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area should they fail to maintain a reasonable degree of civility in their interactions with one another concerning disputes which may arise.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Applicability to all disruptive editors

2) The remedies of revert limitations (formerly revert parole), including the limitation of 1 revert per week, civility supervision (formerly civility parole) and supervised editing (formerly probation) that were put in place at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility. Before any penalty is applied, a warning placed on the editor's user talk page by an administrator shall serve as notice to the user that these remedies apply to them.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Enforcement

Enforcement by block

1) Violations of limitations, supervision, or bans imposed by the remedies in this case may be enforced by brief blocks of up to a week in the event of repeat violations. After 5 blocks the maximum block period shall increase to one year. Blocks and bans are to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.

Passed 6-0 at 23:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Enforcement Log

List of users placed under supervision

List here editors who have been placed on civility supervision, supervised editing, and revert limitation by notice on their talk page. The template {{subst:Armenia-Azerbaijan enforcement}} may be used, or a personal message containing the same information.

Log of blocks and bans

Log any block, ban or extension under any remedy in this decision here. Minimum information includes name of administrator, date and time, what was done and the basis for doing it

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