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Why?

Why was that photo deleted it wasn't a Copyyright vio.--Hornetman16 23:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

It was taken from a website that doesn't licence content under the GFDL licence. That makes it a copyright violation and deleteable per our G12 criteria. Please ensure you are fully familiar with image copyright before uploading further images. Nick 23:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and could you reduce the length of your signature, it's considerably longer than the comment you left. Thanks in advance. Nick 23:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Eventually any size sig will be longer than the comments left, so no.--Hornetman16 23:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

As long as you stop stealing photos, I suppose I can live with your signature. Nick 00:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Question

I am new and trying to figure this out. If I make edits that are stopped by a Bot and someting like this is shown.

"(cur) (last) 15:02, 3 August 2007 ClueBot (Talk | contribs) (14,365 bytes) (Reverting vandalism, by User:Codyryanyork (see here). If this is a mistake, report it. Thanks, ClueBot. (Bot)) (undo)"

What do I do to say no it my changes were good?

Reports can be left at User talk:ClueBot. Hope this helps. Nick 22:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Your user page

Why did you delete it? Melsaran (formerly Salaskаn) 05:19, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I was having a few days off. I'll get round to creating a new one when I've got a few minutes some day soon. Nick 10:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Heh, when I saw a red link in your sig I thought you left the project. Phew :-) Melsaran (formerly Salaskаn) 16:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:Newspamdalogo2.png

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My edits?

How is this my fault? Jaranda (talk · contribs) is reverting me because he doesn't like the fact that I'm monitoring his edits, which isn't WP:WIKISTALK as he claims, as the reason for those edits being visible to the public is so people can monitor them. I'm making good faith edits and he's only reverting me because he wants to. He isn't even giving a reason for reverting me; he just wants to revert me. I'm giving a perfectly valid reason for why I re-reverted him, but that's not good enough for him. Jaranda is the one who is reverting me without a good reason, and you didn't even give him a freakin' warning. I don't think that's very fair. Ksy92003(talk) 19:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Jaranda isn't the person who made this astonishing threat on their talk page "...You have caused some problems in the past, so you're one of the users on my list of users whose edits I monitor constantly. When I look at your contributions and see that you make an edit that I don't agree with, one that I think isn't necessary, then I'm gonna revert it. Per WP:WIKISTALK, that's only an issue if the edits that I'm making are bothering you or preventing the progress of Misplaced Pages, neither of which I'm doing." . If you persist in editing with this attitude, then you will be blocked. Individual cases of edit warring will be dealt with as and when they are brought to the attention of myself or any other administrator and the parties involved dealt with as applicable. Nick 19:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2

Thank you for your support in my Request for Adminship. Unfortunately the nomination did not succeed, but please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Misplaced Pages project, and I'll try again in a few months! If you ever have any questions or suggestions for me, please don't hesitate to contact me. Best wishes, --Elonka 02:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from Nancy

I see that you reverted vandalism on my user page earlier and wanted to thank you for dealing with it so swiftly. Much appreciated. • nancy • 15:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks

I also got the spam mail from Toggafasiognom today. I was just going to ask someone to disable his email :p -Nard 22:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Me, too. I was going to post on his talk page and ask what he was talking about. Apparently I oppose spoiler tags...so he spoiled the 7th Harry Potter book for me. Too bad I'd already read it. (^_^) ···日本穣 01:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for Clarification.

Hello,

My connection is somewhat poor, but I noticed that a few of the reports I submitted were removed. This happened in short order, and I had to check the logs to see the comments.

Perhaps, I incorrectly parsed your remarks, but it sounds like you threatened to block my account because of a difference in opinion on nominations some found questionable.

Is this correct? Feel free to reply on my talk page. --Aarktica 13:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

• Just so that I understand, did you threaten to block me? --Aarktica 15:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

• • Yes. Nick 15:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
    • You can't do that! If he is submitting reports badly, just remove them. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Blocking is a worst case scenario. Users are being blocked through incorrectly filed reports, as long as the user doesn't know they are being discussed, removing "bad" reports is the only sensible option. If, however, a user continues to pick out reasonable usernames and warn the user they should change their name, or that their username might not be inappropriate, frightening off the user, then more stringent measures may be necessary. The username policy and how it's applied is one thing we really need to get right first time every time with a new user. We will never know who we have scared away, but I'm not going to let users actively continue to scare new users away just because they don't have a short and sweet username. Nick 01:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
        • I don't know the situation in detail, but you can't act on your own here. If what you are saying is true then you'll need community support. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
          • I really hope it doesn't come to the stage where it's necessary to get community support for this, I hope it's something that can be dealt with quickly and quietly. Indeed, that was what I intended in the first place through my stern warning. Nick 01:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
            • Honestly it doesn't come across as a stern warning.It comes across as a threat, and is more likely to get his back up than obtain his cooperation. Based on what I have seen (and I didn't go through a whole lot, so I may be making a snap judgement here) if you were to actually block him the likely result would be a swift unblocking by another admin. BTW I basically agree with your position on usernames. I just think you were to harsh on this user. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 02:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you...

Should stop WP:SLAP...lol, just kidding. :-P Miranda 23:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I would suggest you to take a wikibreak. Seriously. Misplaced Pages is something that you shouldn't hold grudges about. Looks like those people from Rhode Island hijacked your talk page, too. Lolz. I hope you feel better. Miranda 01:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Aww...come on! :-P Okay, I won't hijack it anymore. :-P Miranda 06:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

A notification

Just so you know, you are being discussed in this thread on ANI. Thought you might want to know and/or defend yourself. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 01:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

"The Wayward Troll" (etc) blocking

Just to let you know, a google search indicates that The Wayward Troll is the name of a story, and there seems no indication of bad faith. This is being discussed at the WP:UAA talk page. Thought you might like to know.

If you just want to reply to me, feel free to reply here, I'll have it on my watchlist. SamBC(talk) 18:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Contact with H

I understand he is afraid about the threats made, but he has to understand that I'll be doing this for his benefit. --Defender 911 (Leave a message!) 00:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand that it may take a while to establish contact. Thank you, though. --Defender 911 (Leave a message!) 00:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Please Advice Me

Can I use photos with the tag - {{self}}for my magazine.Kaystar 15:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You can, but you would need to release your magazine, or sections of it, under the exact same licence. You also need to credit the photographer(s) and/or creator(s) of the work. Nick 15:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I want to use this picture , could you help me, how I could get the details of the photographer(s) and/or the creator(s) of the work. Kaystar 16:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The photo has details of just one person, that of the photographer, who should be credited as "AlexRenou". That would be the only person who appears to need to be credited. Nick 16:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.Kaystar 02:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

British Student Television

can i ask why you unilaterally moved this when the discussion had just opened? surely you should at least wait a week, particularly since no arguments have yet to be presented for the move, and plenty against it. Sherzo 13:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

As I noted at WP:ANI, the title does not comply with our manual of style and is misleading, given the content being discussed. Nick 13:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

if you had bothered to read the debate you'll find that in fact the title your changing it too is misleading. Sherzo 13:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I read the debate and see no real indication that this new title is misleading, indeed, there was rather a lot of support for the new title. I see a Republic of Ireland university mentioned in the page, the Republic of Ireland does not fall under "British" on Misplaced Pages, no matter how inconsequential their contribution to the subject or the quality of their work, so it's been moved to a more suitable location. Editors and readers of this site expect to find material under an accurate page title, the previous title was not suitable for that page with the content it has at present. Nick 13:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sherzo

Thanks for commenting on the complaint I lodged against Sherzo. Could you please comment on his counter complaint against me. Thank you. TorstenGuise 14:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing to comment on, it's (in my opinion) being rightly ignored as an extension of the earlier content dispute. Nick 14:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Woodland Animations

Thanks for the semi-protect on the Woodland Animations page. I made a trivial edit, so I'm good to fly. Majorclanger 20:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You abusing your administrative rights

I had the Howard Finkel photo released und GFDL or free licensing.--Hornetman16 21:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, your upload was deleted because we lack evidence of the copyright owner having released the work under the GFDL licence. Can you please e-mail permissions-en@wikimedia.org with details of the e-mail or communication you received from the photographer or copyright owner stating they have released the image under the GFDL licence. Thanks. Nick 22:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I wish you would have notified me sooner. I deleted the e-mail now.--Hornetman16 22:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Protection to Guitar

Hello Nick. Could you please review your protection to Guitar, as I seem to find it inadequate? You did well in blocking the warring users for their WP:3RR violation, but semi-protection for the article due to edit warring is rather ineffective as only full protection will prevent both from editing it. Best regards, Húsönd 03:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

With both users blocked, there's really no need for full protection which would have a large impact on other users. There's been no resumption of the edit war thus far to really justify a complete lock down of the article. I'll be keeping an eye on the article and both users when their block expires and I'd really like to remove the protection completely as soon as possible today to see how it goes. Nick 08:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Thanks for your contribs at WP:RFC/N. You may, however, might want to make a bit of a "return appearance" here. Cheers -- Anonymous Dissident 10:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. Nick 10:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. He was wrong to strike your comment. -- Anonymous Dissident 10:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Mailing List

I just saw your response to your comment at Crockspot's RFA. I was wondering how you sign up for the mailing list. New England 18:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:ML has all the necessary information. I'd suggest setting up a separate account just for mailing lists, as messages do come in thick and fast at times. Nick 18:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I just signed up. New England 18:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism and BJAODN

Why would a user need to log out in order to vandalize and add to BJAODN? One could vandalize, self-revert, look up the history and add to BJAODN. Total impact to Misplaced Pages integrity: minimal, because the reversion happens right away. So what's the problem? — Rickyrab | Talk 14:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC) see? — Rickyrab | Talk 14:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. A user wishing to make what they see as a funny but disruptive edit may well log out and make the edit, so that the vandalism isn't logged as having been made under their account but by their IP address. Nick 16:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BJAODN

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BJAODN. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BJAODN/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BJAODN/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 16:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Herbal viagra

Your herbal viagra user-space page looks good enough to be an article. Would it be okay if I (or you) were to move it into the main space? MessedRocker (talk) 13:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Request

Hi Nick, I would like to ask you to unprotect User:YoSoyGuapo's talk page. I have mediated with him and the person has agreed to follow the established rules and policies of Misplaced Pages. I will keep my out on him and if he breaks our agreement, I will consider banning him myself. Cheers! Tony the Marine 06:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced trivia

I'm curious: you've removed a load of stuff from the Deal or No Deal (UK game show) page; this was detail generated by observation over the whole time that the show has been running. I am not objecting to the removal of the information from this article en block, but I wonder how one is supposed to reference works that include a large amount of observed research in this manner... I had a hunt around, but not spotted anything definitive --- although it could be I'm looking for the wrong thing. Maybe there is no place on Misplaced Pages for a presentation of this kind of research, or maybe it would be suitable for a user page? I'd be interested to see your views on the matter, and if you have an appropriate link... even better! :) Geoff Riley 07:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

If the information is presented in some book, magazine or an official website, then you could add it back in with a source or sources, but at the moment, it sort of falls under our original research policy because there's no way for a user to independently verify (without watching the show) what they are reading is correct. It's also not really encyclopedic and might be better suited to an independent site on a service such as Wikia, with the article here having a more generalized overview of the game, and winners and losers, rather than a list. The other problem is detecting vandalism and hoax names being added, without having a source for each name, it can be difficult if not impossible to tell vandalism from a genuine edit, now, this is by no means a reason by itself for removal of the list, vandalism shouldn't warrant the removal or prevent inclusion of material, but in cases such as these, it becomes impossible to tell vandalism from a genuine edit, which severely hampers accuracy, which we strive for. I'm sure, however, that given the large amount of coverage Noel and Deal or No Deal receives in the press, there's bound to be a few sources in newspapers and TV listing magazines. Hope this helps. Nick 09:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that explanation, I shall investigate the original research policy. ...then I'll go and get a book published with all the details that have been compiled... nah not really. I understand what you mean particularly with regard to the possibility of vandalism. Geoff Riley 22:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Laughing Man

Nick, Thanks for deleting that image. It's an anime image (http://www.ghostintheshell.tv/2ndgig/episodes/1x4.html) from "Ghost in the shell". Note the 8th panel (2nd row, all the way on the left hand side). Laughing_Man's images is a copy of it. The color is slightly different, but the writing, design, shape and everything else are the same. Thanks! KoshVorlon
".. We are ALL Kosh..."
19:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Nick, The image was inspired by the series, and I created it myself, please restore it as it is not a television screen shot. // laughing man 17:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you please undelete this image? // laughing man 01:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but from what I can see, it's sufficiently similar to the image that appears here to be considered a copyright violation. You're welcome to seek out additional clarification on this, perhaps through Images for Deletion or Deletion Review however. Nick 01:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So you're saying it doesn't matter that it was created inspired by the series?// laughing man 11:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Just to clarify, if it's sufficiently similar as it is in this case, even if it was created entirely by yourself, it would be termed a derivative image and covered by the same original copyright that covers the TV/Film the original image appears in. Nick 11:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Well in any case, I've been using the image for well over a year here and would have appreciated you discussing it with me first instead of rashly deleting it since it wasn't a blatant copyvio as what User:KoshVorlon suggested when tagging the page. Never mind though, I'm not wasting any more of my time on this bullshit.// laughing man 15:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Hey there Nick Sorry about that. Just curious. Why on the user's that I reported block log was there blocks not showing up? --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 21:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Missing page

My index has a link to User:Heligoland/Link, which I thought was a very useful page. Has the content of that page been moved elsewhere, or is it simply gone? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, I was having a clear out of all my old pages. If you want to undelete, please feel free. The information is out of date though and I doubt there will be date or time for an update anytime soon, unfortunately. Nick 00:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Given that I'm not an admin, undeleting isn't an option for me. But to the larger point - I'll mark the entry as being deleted because it was out of date, and when/if you do an update, then the entry can be added back to the index. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

This edit summary was a bit dickish. It's a combination of being raised like that, joking not coming off well on the interwebs, and being in a bad mood. -lucid 11:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been known for slipping in the odd unusual edit summary from time to time. Don't worry about it. Nick 11:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Requesting some follow-on administration

The same anon user (presumably) that was flooding the Woodland Animations entry with junk edits (see above - you semi-protected the page) is now doing it to both Postman Pat and Fireman Sam. If you can, take a quick look at the page histories and act if you think it appropriate. There many many anon edits from the same IP range, some obviously with incorrect information, but some may be accurate. I want to completely fact-check both pages and add citations, but I seem to end up only reverting garbage a couple of times per day. -- Majorclanger 17:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I had noticed this was going on and I've reverted stuff a few times on the Tugs article. It's one of the most annoying situations where the person in question keeps on changing IP addresses and rangeblocks would need to be widespread to be of any use to successfully block the user. Page protection might be an option, but it's going to stop any anon edits to any of these articles, and it would need to be pretty much permanent, I think, to stop the person responsible. I'll have a chat with some other administrators to see what we might be able to do but I think it might need to be a case of simply reporting the user to WP:ANI or WP:AIV every time they change IP addresses. Nick 17:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. Please let me know what the consensus is. Thanks for looking into it. -- Majorclanger 18:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Isn't this cute!

AWW!!!

File:Nick title.png

To put on the little Nick's page. :-P Miranda 03:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Please Advise Me

Can I use a image with the following tag for the Back Cover of my magazine,

{{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}}

If I am going to use the same image inside of the magazine and give due credit to the person and the source.Kaystar 07:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. I think that might be OK, but I'm not absolutely certain and I'd strongly suggest you e-mail the Free Software Foundation who are the authors of the GFDL licence to ask for their advice. Nick 11:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.Kaystar 12:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

If you talk to Durin...

... make sure you tell him that evidence very strongly suggests that e-pol.org is a dummy organization. Geez, let's not lose Durin over a hoax... Pascal.Tesson 22:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

We've already had a lengthy discussion about this, Durin is aware of all that's come up but is still understandably nervous. If only I could get a straight answer as to who or what e-pol and UNOP Liaison EU actually is... Nick 22:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Vishwamitri-river-1.jpg

Wow, I'm surprised it was escalated to this level. I think I may be wrong in this case, and the river is Mahi (Mahisagar). I had taken this picture out near Vasad, and so I guess Mahisagar is the correct one. I stand corrected. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

apology for erroneous edit summary for Beaker (glassware)

Please accept my apologies for providing an edit summary on a revert of Beaker (glassware) which erroneously says you are the target. The edit summary does correctly say I reverted to your previous version. I use twinkle and popups, and somehow I operated them such that the edit summary indicated you as the vandal and not 75.164.146.132 (talk · contribs) as it should have. I'll be more careful in the future. Cheers. —EncMstr 01:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

can i...

can i ask where did you find my username to smile at me?--Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 16:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello there. I noticed the image on your talk page being removed through an IRC feed monitor I run. Nick 16:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

oh ok, I thought i welcomed you or something--Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 16:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Smile

Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Dolcett

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dolcett. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Hektor 07:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you forgot something!

--Kizor 12:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is your friend there. Nick 13:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for the future - though this was such a simple and uncontroversial case that it was much less cumbersome to bug you about it than file a request for action. --Kizor 14:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem, it's worth keeping RFPP in mind in case the administrator responsible isn't active, is on a break or something. Nick 14:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Query

Kangaroo court? I'm well aware that my role as arbitrator is (primarily) to stand up and get pelted with crap, but coming from you that actually wounds a little. What would you have done differently? Mackensen (talk) 17:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Not guilty, m'lud. I'm unhappy with how the situation was dealt with, and I've explained as fully as is reasonable on the RfA exactly why, but I believe you'll find Wikihermit was responsible for the contention that the Committee is a "kangaroo court". Nick 17:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:EM

You may be interested to read the new essay Misplaced Pages:Editors matter; it relates directly to some discussions we've had in the past at MfD. Your input on its talk page would be appreciated. Walton 19:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On September 12, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Backwater Reservoir, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

SmIlE

M. has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Ping. M. 05:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

I passed my RfA, and couldn't have done it without your trust and support. Thank you very much. -- Earle Martin 12:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the club. Nick 00:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Apology

Apology for discussing that at WP:RFA. I am really sorry for that off-topic remark. --Solumeiras 18:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

That's OK, we all make unfortunate comments from time to time. Half my archives are me putting my foot in it, so I wouldn't worry about it. Nick 00:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

I owe you a big thank you for supporting me in My RfA, which was successful with 67 supports and 20 opposes. - Penwhale | 23:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Oooh, more fresh blood. Nick 00:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Here...

One comment. Whee. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 18:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons barnstar

What was wrong with the old image? It looked a lot more Simpson-esque. At the very least, the doughnut should be pink. -- Scorpion 20:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, no offence, and I appreciate the effort and all, but I do kinda prefer the original. Plus, the question of the orginal being a copyvio has been resolved. Gran 21:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

At the time, I was led to believe it was a copyright violation. Nick 21:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

could you please change the simpson barnstar back the way it was thanks.Swirlex 21:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. Nick 21:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you so much for changing the barnstar back the way it was.Swirlex 00:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

That's not a problem. You should be able to revert images yourself, near to the bottom of image pages, there's a section that's titled "File History" - if you look in there, it should show you a table with all the images that have been uploaded with the same filename. At the very left of the table, there should be a "(revert)" function, and all you need to do is click that next to the image you want to revert back to. I've checked this out without an admin account and it looks like it's something all users should be able to do. I hope this helps in future. Cheers. Nick 09:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

TREYWiki

TREYWiki has requested that the arbcom consider lifting his indefinite block. Since I have no idea what the issue is about, and I'm sure the same can be said of the rest of the arbcom - can you email me an explanation of why you blocked him? Raul654 03:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Unblocking

I appreciate you looking into the blocking of User:Ophios and User:Mael-Num and reaching an agreement with the latter user, but you really should have discussed it with me first before unblocking either of them.

The routes to resolve a block are agreement by the blocking admin, a (very rare) override by other admins in the case that the block was clearly unjustifiable, or appeal to the Arbitration committee to make a formal ruling on the matter.

Thanks. TigerShark 00:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I had a look to see, from your contributions, when you were likely to be online, and given the fact it was quite likely the user in question would needed to have waited for a few hours whilst I waited for a response, and given their pledge of co-operation on the issue, it didn't seem like a problem to unblock. 3RR blocks are one of the few areas where all the information is available to make a decision regarding the unblock request, especially given there was no significant prior problems in their block logs. There's also the small question of how appropriate it is to block both users some 2+ hours after they have ceased edit warring and had at least tried to discuss the issue. Blocks, even for 3RR, are supposed to be preventative, not punitive. Nick 04:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whether you thought I was online you should have tried to contact me. The policy that I have quoted above is fairly explicit against wheel warring, but you seem happy to disregard it on the basis of your own thoughts of when a blocking admin should be contacted. Thanks for the advice on preventative vs. punatative blocks, but if you had looked more closely both parties were well aware of the 3RR and there had previously been gaps of up to 2 hours between reverts. My advice to you is to not wheel war in future. TigerShark 18:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

One unblock does not constitute a wheel war. My advice to you is to cease making such overly dramatic statements whenever an administrator makes a call you dislike. I also have to ask, when benefit would have been obtained in waiting to contact you when I was already in conversation with the party you had blocked and had an assurance regarding his behaviour, what would you have added to any discussion on unblocking the user ? Nick 19:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

A single reversal of an action can be wheel warring depending upon the context, whether you think it is or not.

"Possible indications of wheel warring are:

* An admin takes it upon himself to undo another admin's actions without consultation".

The policy is very clear but, again, you to not understand it or seem happy to dismiss it. You ask what benefit would have been obtained. The benefit would have been that you would have attempted to consult and gain consensus with a fellow editor before reverting their good faith action. Not doing so is considered harmful to the relationship between editors.

"Just as edit warring is considered harmful and needlessly divisive, so is wheel warring considered improper behavior for an administrator".

Any damage done would have been fixed by a quick "sorry", but for some reason you think that this is not a problem, even though it is a major principle of community editing on Misplaced Pages. TigerShark 20:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Pardon the butting in, but it's not at all unreasonable for an admin to occasionally undo another admin's actions. There is no reason at all to call this "wheel warring". If we tried to always consult first, this could easily lead to bureaucratic paralysis. TigerShark, I think you're trying to "own" your admin actions too much. When there's a disagreement, it's far more useful to talk about what should be done now than to quote policies at others. Friday (talk) 21:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Friday, but I disagree is this case. This has nothing to do with "owning" my action, it has everything to do with consensus between editors which is vital. Yes I have quoted policy, but there is nothing wrong with that. Policies are not abstract bureaucracy, they are the embodiment of community consensus addressing real issues and therefore an important tool. If we ignore them then we are ignoring that consensus, and chastising people for refering to them just makes it more likely that they will be ignored. It is your opinion that undoing admin actions without attempting discussion is reasonable, but that is not the consensus of the community (at least as embodied in the policies). Consulting itself does not lead to bureaucratic paralysis, it takes very little time and, in the vast majority of cases, makes things run much more smoothly . Thanks TigerShark 22:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

It was a "hear and now" decision, having had an extensive discussion with one of the users on IRC. I didn't think you would object to me dealing with the users unblock request. If this has upset you, then I apologise. Nick 21:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Nick, I appreciate that. Best Regards TigerShark 22:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: out-of-control bot

The administrators seldom check every single image to be deleted, and so they end up being deleted unless the tags are removed. But once they are removed, bots will put it back on and so it becomes an ongoing war as a result of one bot. So, in effect, it would be the bot's fault (and arguably yours) for the images being deleted.

And you've gone ahead and reverted my edits - absurd LACK of reasoning for doing so! http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Ananddvd.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:7G_Rainbow_Colony.png and http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Happy_Days_Telugu_2007.PNG . It was specifically the first one that made me take a look at the other 3 which were uploaded by this user. The first one is entitled to be used in an article which will be applying for FA status in a week or so.

I will also take this opportunity remind you to not engage in edit wars (sock puppetry!), and that reasons have been provided for keeping the images as it is used in articles. Ncmvocalist 14:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

Why did you close my RFA? I didn't violate WP:SNOW as in your edit summary and I'm really starting to get mad at you plus everyone in my RFA. HyperSonicBoom 20:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA was closed because it was clear it would not have passed. Your behaviour was also disgraceful on that RfA and you're very close to being blocked for incivility at the moment. I would strongly urge you to take a break and come back when you're less annoyed if you're starting to get mad at individual users. Nick 21:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Accidental block

I was trying to unban Treywiki and accidentally blocked you instead. I've undone it. Please let me know if there's any issues. Raul654 17:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Ramutans Pages

Well, I wasn't sure, and tried to make it clear that it might be permitted, but I wasn't sure. It has happened before. I hoped someone could clarify the issue, preferably the renaming bureaucrat. It wasn't totally important, as he specifically said he no longer wanted his user pages deleted a bit through the discussion. i  23:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

That's OK, it's become a total disaster area, some people are suggesting the Cool Cat issue shows deletion is OK, others suggest it shows a link needs to remain. All very confusing and there's no policy or guidelines to guide us on this. Nick 23:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect deletions

I'm sorry. I imagine those were listed at Special:Brokenredirects. I don't know that there's an easy way of checking whether this kind of redlink is being used or not -- should we ask for some kind of modification so that userspace pages don't show up there? NawlinWiki 23:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure, some users would want redirects to their userpages left, like I do, whilst others would want them deleted, and we've no consensus to do anything any one way given the discussion underway at ANI at the moment, so I honestly don't know if filing a bug report is useful at the moment. Nick 00:02, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 16:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Your request

I found that an article I was interested in writing was somehow linked to someone who also wrote about that org, followed the links and thought I should check, went to http://www.skatteverket.se/international/inenglish.4.3a2a542410ab40a421c80006827.html then to http://www.skatteverket.se/kontaktaoss/servicejouren.4.5098f9104ec1b57328000216.html, they replied with malmo@skatteverket.se and confirmed it was a true org. Why the interest? Jenny☤ 06:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Citation script?

Hmm...I have been thinking, since people don't know how to properly integrate citations into articles, and put (with the links) instead of the citations, do you think Misplaced Pages is ready for an application like this? Miranda 05:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

It's been ready for this for years, which is why we have Magnus Manske's excellent script on the toolserver. clicky. Nick 08:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

. . . Miranda 10:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

lol Nick 10:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Rudget RfA

Dearest Opposer,

Thank you

Bluer has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

A token of my appreciation for reverting the vandalism on my talk page. — Blue。 18:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Civility Reminder

When writing that comment, I was very irritated by this. I understand what you mean and I do agree with it, but I acted out of spite because to me, it seemed both childish and stupid to write something like that. It was like a sad attempt sympathy. I don't know... Overall, if I received a message like that because I did something like what he did, then I'd accept it because I was in the wrong. That's just the way I am. I honestly hope I don't get involved with this user ever again, in life. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 18:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Brown Town?

Are you sure that this one and this one are Brown Town sockpuppets? Brown has been trolling me, and his contributions have been a bit more obvious than theirs- they both have been around for a while, and from contribs, seems to be doing reasonably positive edits. Am I missing something? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

First account was caught in an autoblock of the second, second was caught in an autoblock of Brown Town. First and second userpages are identical too, including some esoteric features. Nick 20:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I looked at those deleted userpages. I'm convinced that they're socks of one another, at any rate- Brown Town, though, has mainly just been adding this content to various pages], which leaves me puzzled by their edit histories, which show, in general, vandalsmacking and minor cleanups for nearly a year back. Something is odd here. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Because User:Schumi555] had contacted me immediately when the first Brown Town account was blocked, I believe that he really is the older brother, and not the vandal himself, which would account for the discrepancy in the edits and the identical IPs. Not sure about User:Thebestkiano; he claims that he is another brother, and implies that he copied the userpage formatting, and I think I believe him because neither of them has done anything particularly noteworthy that would require this kind of long-term sockpuppetry. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not convinced and would like to make sure there are no further "brothers" in this household before unblocking. Nick 22:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser confirms that all 3 accounts, please User:RWJBRB is the same person, as are three IP addresses (e-mail for them). It's also impossible to tell because of the dynamic nature of the IP allocation if there are further sleeper accounts, but I would drop a note on Pascal.Tesson's talk page as he blocked RWJBRB and may know about more of their accounts. Given they neglected to mention the RWJBRB account, I can only assume they are intending to disrupt the project in some way. Nick 00:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

There is something unusual about the checkuser result, though. One very rarely sees what we see on this one -- different named accounts editing from the same IP in the same minute. For example:

1. Thebestkiano recreates RWJBRB's user page at 18:39
2. Brown Town9 edits Fisher Queen's talk page also at 1839

(There are quite a few other similar pairs of edits.) This makes it appear that there are multiple computers behind one IP, each being driven by a different person. I'm not sure they're all annoying brats; obviously one of them is; if they can control their brother, I say let them back on and keep a close eye; if they can't, we'll have to treat a family with an uncontrollable family member the same as a company that refuses to control a vandal. --jpgordon 04:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

(undent) See also Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Brown Town9, filed by Thebestkiano. Weird. -- But|seriously|folks  07:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I find it problematic that the sock puppetry report, Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Brown Town9 was filed by a related user. It may be in our own best interests to block account creation from this network for a while. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

There's no realistic way to prevent account creation, given the wildly changing IP addresses a BT Internet customer can obtain simply by rebooting a computer, rebooting a router or simply disconnecting and reconnecting. I'm going to go along wity jpgordon on this and unblock the accounts making constructive edits and we'll just have to keep an eye on them. Nick 11:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for eventually coming to the conclusion that I am no vandal. It may also come to your attention that the creator of Brown Town accounts has no longer access to a computer in my house. Thank you and the admins for the help in this matter and it should not happen again. Thank you, Thebestkiano 12:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the unblock Schumi555 13:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

My (KWSN's) RFA

Thank you for commenting my recent (and successful!) RfA. It passed at at 55/17/6. I'll try to make some changes based on your comments. Kwsn (Ni!) 01:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Please undelete

Please undelete Commit Suiside and Image:UffeWasANazi.jpg as I have added a ref to the Ulf Ekberg article (strange, were they never there or was the ref removed first?). // Liftarn

Provide the references first and I and the other deleting administrator will then decide whether or not to undelete these articles. Given the nature of these claims, I'm sure you can understand the need for caution. Thanks for your co-operation. Nick 17:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Please see Ulf Ekberg for a list of references (four as of writing). Btw, is the record company considered a reliable source? // Liftarn

I'm discussing this issue, might take a few days before we decide on what to do. Either way, I won't be undeleting Commit Suiside as I didn't delete the page and have no intention to wheel war with the deleting administrator. I'd also like to see some proof that the image has not been altered in anyway before making any decision. If the record company has an image which they can send us or we can see on their website, then that should be fine. Nick 17:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The image is directly from the record companys site. I think the link should be included so there should be no problem. // Liftarn

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Image:UffeWasANazi.jpg. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Liftarn 11:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

A quick note

I have left Misplaced Pages. Thanks for your help (not) Thebestkiano 21:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

There is no need to be rude, TBK. Nick took the time to discuss it, he could have just left it and ignored you, but he had the decency to try to sort it out. Please behave appropriately towards your fellow editors. Qst 22:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The block

It might help if you supplied diffs of the disruption. Friday (talk) 23:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Kmweber - pretty much all of his edits to RfA. Nick 23:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I took a quick glance- I see him saying things I don't agree with. What I don't see is the disruption people are talking about. It might be there; you'll help your case if you point it out. Friday (talk) 23:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Aside from the disruption he's causing by the usual "I view self-noms as ”prima facie” evidence of power hunger" opposes, I'm seeing incivility in his edit summaries through his contributions, not just to RfA and I'm not overly impressed by his ending of his two month absence by pretty much starting back by commenting on RfAs. He's editing in such a manner that he's not able to express any opinion on the candidate, editing two RfAs in the same one minute, he can't be doing anything but disrupting the process. His comments relate to the process so need to be left at WT:RFA, not on the individual RfAs. Nick 23:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

If there are other reasons for it, you should make them clear in the appropriate places. Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Kmweber already has extensive discussion of his opposition to self-noms. I don't believe you're on solid ground for a block or ban on that basis alone. Friday (talk) 23:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The way the comments were made after a period away from the site, in addition to the actual comments themselves are the reason I have blocked. I'm quite willing to expand the block based on the evidence that Kurt is a disruptive influence (whether good faithed or not) to the site, not just for his edits to RfA, but based on his entire pattern of behaviour. Nick 00:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

(I'll stop badgering you now, I promise) Maybe he's gotten worse since the RFC, I dunno. It seemed to me that that time that he was more eccentric than actually disruptive. I'm totally on board philosophically with blocking based on a pattern of disruptive behavior, I just wonder how necessary that is in this case. Last I looked into it, it didn't seem like he was doing much harm. It already looks like there are several people irritated enough by him to say "good riddance"; I just hope they're not saying that to make some symbolic gesture toward disruptive editors in general. I'm not disputing that a case can be made against him- maybe it can. I just don't see a solid case here based on the evidence presented. Friday (talk) 00:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I think there's just enough evidence to warrant a block, I know you probably don't, and I knew that would be the case with yourself and other editors, which is why I posted to WP:AN and threw the decision I made open to scrutiny straight away, there's quite mixed signals at the moment, so I'd like to see how this develops, if people generally say the behaviour doesn't warrant a block or there's not enough evidence of disruptive behaviour, I'll quite happily unblock. Nick 00:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

(I really mean I will stop badgering you this time) I think you're being perfectly reasonable here, thanks for the discussion. I hope some other people support unblocking. I think there's a less drastic solution to be found here. He had reason to believe, based on the RFC, that this issue wasn't that big a problem. Friday (talk) 01:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Based on the comments at WP:ANI and the RFC I very nearly unblocked him myself - but that would be wheel warring which is inherently very evil. I strongly encourage you to leave this editor in an unblocked state pending whatever other resolution mechanism you choose to follow. His edits are (IMO) manifestly NOT disruptive (unlike, say, Boothy, he states his reason for his !votes). As Andrevan says at the RFC what he's doing is what WP:POINT suggests should be done and requires no followup effort from anyone (i.e. is NOT disruptive). -- Rick Block (talk) 04:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to see you unblock this user. The discussion is pretty clearly pointing to a conclusion that the block was not justified. I also think the using Jimbo's comments to justify a general rational to start blocking users you may feel are disruptive is counter-productive, and in fact he even requested we not move too fast in this direction. Thanks, RxS 05:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Howdy. I replied on the RFC page- sorry about not leaving a note here earlier. Friday (talk) 03:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Former administrators

Nick, in response to this comment, I'm really sorry for adding a temporary desyopping to the former administrator list. I didn't know that those desysoppings don't go on that list. I wasn't trying to be stupid. Please accept my apologies.--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. 04:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...

You need to undelete this, and take that pumpkin off of your userpage. :-P Miranda 20:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

this doesn't exist. Pumpkin fixed too. Nick 20:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, this does exist. What you replaced on the page is scary, because when I click your name, I know that you will be in the bushes taking my and others pictures. :-P Miranda 00:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I will talk to you about this "editor's deletion incident" later. Misplaced Pages is not a social site. I could be indef. blocked banned for socializing, and you can have your mop taken away for such (ahem) *crude* behavior. :-P Miranda 01:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Shall I delete WP:EFD then ? Nick 11:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

(reduce indent) Um, Xoloz deleted my notice. Thank you Nick! EFD...um, I think you used up your rogue admin points for the week. Miranda 21:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was on IRC today, but someone timed out. So...tomorrow? Yes, tomorrow. Because, you have some 'xplaining to do... :-P Miranda 01:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:ICAP R PMS PC.gif)

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Images moved to commons

Hi, before deleting the local version of an image which has been moved to commons please make sure that all of the relevant info exists at the commons image. As an example you deleted Image:WOI-Logo-Shield for-Word (1).jpg which on commons has a source which points back to en.wiki. Now once the en.wiki version of that image got deleted any chance of checking the source got limited to en.wiki admins only, and since it's an internal source only (i.e. id doesn't state who actually created the work,just who uploaded it) it's not enough to keep the image. /Lokal_Profil 11:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, All the information from the page was indeed copied to the page at Commons when the image was moved to Commons. I was under the assumption that the uploader was the author of the image given the copyright tag on the image, if that isn't the case, there's nothing I can do, I'm afraid. Nick 11:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

November 2007

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Sapphire: You may already know about them, but you might find Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. Jauerback 20:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Moonraka (talk · contribs)

Just a heads up, Moonraka (talk · contribs) is at it again with mass changing song genres. SpigotMap 12:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

He was blocked before I was able to deal with the situation. If he's not prepared to discuss his edits after a block, we'll take it from there. Nick 13:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Poor administrator

I would like you to provide diffs proving your point, or I shall simply create another account for the purpose of segregation and security. Please answer the issues in my second unblock request. Please note that you are one of the very worst administrators I have come across in my entire time on the Pedia, and that includes some pretty nasty people.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 10:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Query

While I don't have a problem with deleted user pages, having one and not having a talk link in your sig is just annoying. Would you be willing to put something like (talk) or just make your sig ]? -- John Reaves 23:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Email

Email for you. Cheers, Skinwalker 01:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Sunder King

Hi, I have just noticed that Sunder King got blocked. As far as I could tell from his edits he was a decent editor. How come he got blocked? The template on his userpage says refer to checkuser for evidence. It took me a while to figure out how to find the Molag Bal archive (as there are no clear instructions on how to do this on the checkuser page), a look at the page history tells me that no new evidence has been added since September 2007 and there is nothing on there relating to Sunder King. The Sunder King talk page has been redirected to his user page and protected, so it is impossible to have any debate about it there. This looks extremely dodgy to me, even if he is this guy Molag Bal, surely blocking people should be more transparent and less misleading. What do you think? King of the NorthEast 21:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Nothing dodgy about it. We have Molag's IP address, we asked a checkuser to confirm whether Sunder King was editing using the same IP address. Checkuser confirmed he was. It's the best we can do without revealing personal information, which we can't do. -- Nick (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Who did the checkuser? What made you suspicious? Email me if you want to talk more freely. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I actually had nothing to do with requesting the checkuser, nor did I enact the block. I simply happened to concur with a number of other administrators who have considerable experience dealing with Molag when the account came to our attention. I happened to get to decline an unblock and tidy up afterwards, that's about it. If you're familiar with Molag, the account sticks out by a country mile. -- Nick (talk) 21:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

(sorry for the traffic, Nick) I performed the block on the basis that Sunder king was a blatant sock of Molag Bal. I'm not going to say more here for fear of making Molag change his MO in future, but feel free to special:emailuser me. A checkuser was indeed performed (privately), and more will be done shortly to uncover any further puppets. Suffice to say that there was enough evidence without checkuser usage to block. Thanks, Martinp23 21:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, Molag has admitted (on IRC) to owndership of the account. I'm not sure what more we can do... Martinp23 21:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Who did the checkuser? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Does it matter, it'll all be logged, and it was 110% above board. Is this the new Arbitrator pester admins into premature death ritual we're going to suffer anytime we request a checkuser in private because we have a request which involves private information not suitable for publication on Misplaced Pages ? -- Nick (talk) 22:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

No this is the not at all new ex arbitrator Theresa who politely asks questions andy bloody well makes damn sure everything is above board ritual. It may come across as pestering now, but if you ever find yourself in a position that Sunder King is in now you'll be glad to have an irritating so and so like me pestering the admins involved in the blocking and block review. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

It may sound daft, but I've rarely, if ever, seen anybody ask for a checkuser in private that they wouldn't be willing to request on-wiki, and this request was no different (well, up until the time we had private information). I would like to think neither I nor Martin have a reputation for spurious blocks on established accounts such that we need to be pestered quite as much about a situation such as this. -- Nick (talk) 22:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

It was not my intention to imply that either of you were in anyway untrustworthy. But hell anyone can make a mistake, so we need to be able to check each other's conclusions. That's why I asked who performed the checkuser. Not because I thought one wasn't carried out, but because I wanted to talk to them. Anyway having spoke privastely to Martin and the AC I am now pefectly satisified that the block was in order. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

This was my adoptee, and he has just emailed me. I request that all information regarding this matter be emailed to me immediately, as I felt that this user had a lot of potential, and I will fight this if I have ground to stand on. Once again, I want to see all of the information available on this matter in an email ASAP. That is all, The Hybrid T/C 22:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Well the thing is, the info is confidential. The checkuser was done privately for a reason. It's easy for me to ask for private info via email as I am a highly trusted person who has been on Misplaced Pages for years. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm a trusted user who's been on Misplaced Pages for a year-and-a-half, and my adoptee was just blocked. He's emailed me asking me to get to the bottom of this, so I need some kind of an explanation for this. At least email me what you'd trust me with. I'm easy to convince. I just need something, as this is a really big deal. The Hybrid T/C 22:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I've sent you a short email outlining the facts of the matter - your adoptee has admitted to being a sock of molag bal on IRC, so you are, frankly, flogging a dead horse. Good work on the adoption efforts, keep it up :) Martinp23 22:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I've replied, and to avoid disrupting the atmosphere further I will keep it in email from this point on. Also, thank you for the compliment :). Cheers, The Hybrid T/C 22:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi; thanks for your support to my RfA, which closed successfully at (51/1/2). I'll keep this brief since I don't like spamming anyone: I'll work hard to deserve the trust you placed in me. Thanks again. — Coren  23:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

DRV notice

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Sky Eats Airplane. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Jreferee t/c 19:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)