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You have twice removed a paragraph from Latin America#Demographics about Latino heritage and identity without explaining why. The first time, I restored the paragraph due to the lack of explanation. You have made productive edits to the article since, so I believe you are trying to improve the article, but I'm still unsure why you are removing this. If you use edit summaries to explain what you are doing and why, then your reasoning is clear. Of course, sometimes an explanation is too long to fit in the edit summary box, and the matter may need to be discussed on the talk page, but most of the time the edit summary is very useful.-gadfium 18:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Using Misplaced Pages

{{helpme}} How do I make my own page andwhat is the 'my watchlist' option for? TeePee-20.7 06:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I've moved the helpme request here to your talk page (that template is meant only for user talk pages). To make your own user page all you have to do is edit User:TeePee-20.7. For an explanation of what you can have on your user page, see Misplaced Pages:Userpage. The watchlist lets you know when a page has been recently edited. This lets you keep track of changes to articles you are interested in. When you are viewing an article, or even someone else's user page, there is a tab near the top of the screen that says "watch" -- click that tab and the page will be added to your watchlist. Then, when you click on the link (very top of the page) that says "my watchlist" you will see any recent changes to the pages in your watchlist. SWAdair | Talk 07:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Don't worry about the placement of the helpme request. We don't expect new editors to know all the ins-and-outs of the system. That's why we have the {{helpme}} template -- so that we can help you learn the ropes. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. SWAdair | Talk 07:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Pygmies

Hi, to answer your question I have never found a reference to Pygmy populations in South America. If you find one I would be quite curious. The link between New Guinean and African pygmies is quite strong, and if you think about human migration patterns, it would make sense that there would be an "old" genetic link between these two geographically distant populations. However, migration into the Americas was much later than into Southeast Asia and Oceania, and was done primarily by one genetic group. While there are Amazonian populations that are smaller on average than other American populations, they are not as small as pygmies, and I do not think they share a genetic link. That is my understanding from my education and what I have read since, but again, if you can find a reference I would love to read it. Thanks, Meateatingvegan 18:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you very much for the praise! If there's any particular prehistoric species article you want to see illustrated, please let me know.--Mr Fink 17:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Gang Rapes

- I was just wondering if there should be a section for the gang rapes as Greenacre is where they were committed. TeePee-20.7 17:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC) - :Why do people want to include criminal activity in these articles on suburbs? Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia. You don't find every criminal event ever committed in articles about places in an encyclopedia, so I don't think we need to do that in wikipedia either.J Bar 23:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC) - ::Well the only reason why I suggested this was because they were quite infamous and lead to the passing of new laws, and more than 240 years in gaol time handed out to nine men. And greenacre is not known for much except a high crime rate, and this is supported by the gang rapes. TeePee-20.7 08:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC) - P.S. This is one of the reasons why my mother decided to move, "because of all the trouble". - TeePee-20.7 08:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC) ???

Deletion?

Hi, I was just wondering why you deleted the discussion on the talk page for Greenacre:TeePee-20.7 14:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

G'Day Tee Pee,

The discussion wasn't going anywhere and it is not appropriate for a encyclopedia article on a suburb anyway. There has been much discussion in a number of sydney suburb pages about crimes listed in suburb articles because it doesn't fit the criteria of wikipedia. The same goes for information that is considered to be POV (Point of View)listing minor current events or references to businesses which considered advertising or listing individual property values or notable persons who may have lived in the suburb briefly. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia or a reference guide. There are standard headings for relevant information that we try to follow for consistency across all articles, like Location, History, Commercial areas, Transport, Politics, Culture, Events etc... If a crime commited in a suburb is a significant event in the suburb's history then it should be included in the History section. It may be you Point of View that Greenacre is not known for much except a high crime rate but this is not a view shared by the general community. Cheers, J Bar 05:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

help

can you help me find more sources for the page Jowell & Randy, some user has put an ADF on it, because one source is from myspace. May you help me find sources? I worked hard on the article!--TrUcO9311 15:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I deleted List of Riddims because Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Riddims was clearly a consensus to delete. — Scientizzle 17:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Riddim List

Even though the riddim list article was deleted, I figured that you might want to check out these "riddim database" sites... Blackjays1 (talk) 00:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

what was wrong with the reference

on latino? Iamandrewrice (talk) 14:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

excuse me?!!! are you in some way suggesting that I am wishing to be Latino... even though my mother was Italian, therefore making her Latino anyway. My mother, my sister, and I, have always been classified as Latino... I do not need to 'convert' to anything as you are saying... I am happy being mediterranean! Even though mediterranean people are commonly Latino anyway... I suggest you go read your sources. I find that a very racist remark... both showing favouritisms to the Latino race, and prejudice agains Mediterraneans... even though they are the same thing! Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You are not allowed to make comments like this under WP:NPA and WP:CIV. If you are suggesting that Mediterranean people in Europe who stayed in Europe, are somehow different to the Meditteranean people of Portugal and Spain that moved to the Americas, then I seriously fail to see how that logic works. There have been no major evolutionary steps made by the Hispanics and Lusitanics since they moved away from the main Latin races of Europe, and therefore, they remain classifiable under the same race. Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear... again, i suggest you calm down. Secondly, my age is irrelevant to this, (even though I was only a couple of IQ points off in an official Mensa test from being allowed in. I would like to remind you on this that Mensa is a society for geniuses, so please try not to insult my intelligence again). Secondly, you are misunderstanding. Latinos are not from Latin America. I dont know where you got this idea from, but I am sure it is wrong. Latinos are people of Latin Europe (which you made a mention of), who relocated to the Americas. This then became known as Latin America. Now in America, the term Latinos commonly is applid to people of Latin America. However, by definition, and also as is implied by the European term usage of Latino, it is any Caucasion of Mediterranean origin, wherever they reside in the world. Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Your recent lack of civility

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, we remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on User talk:Iamandrewrice. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Jeffpw (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

2nd warning

With regard to your comments on User talk:Iamandrewrice: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Jeffpw (talk) 15:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

your warning

I have not been uncivil to Jeeny, and in fact, I am mentoring heras a condition of her unblocking. PLease do not give warnings out which you cannot back up with diffs. That can also be seen as both an attack and a violation of our harassment policy. Thank you. Jeffpw (talk) 16:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

here is some proof...

Press Ctrl+F (this is the 'find tool'... if you have used it before), and type in "Latino is very general". It will bring you to a paragraph of the page which explains that the term 'Latino' does in fact technically include mediterranean people still living in Europe, but in everyday conversation is sometimes not used like this, and I can see that you are in yourself perhaps evidence of this. Therefore, I am right about its definition... it just that in the USA, where mediterranean peoples are of less relevance than the nearby Latin-Americans, the Latin-Americans are more commonly reffered to as the Latinos... although when it comes to technicalities, and people are discussing the Latinos in Europe, they will use the term 'Latino'. Do you now agree? (and please... no more of the uncivility please... wikipedia is meant to be a place of civil behaviour by everyone. You are not exempt from this rule.) Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Final warning

In this edit, you call me and another editor maricons. That kind of homophobic name calling is not tolerated on Misplaced Pages. If I see any more garbage like that from you I will move for an immediate block of your editing privileges. Jeffpw (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

Your recent behaviour has been utterly unacceptable. Despite warnings you have attacked other editors: , . You then aggressively cross-posted to a number of users using a homophobic slur to describe those you were in dispute with . Accordingly I have blocked you for 48 hours from editing. You are free to resume positive contributions after that time is up but bear in mind that personal attacks and homophobic abuse will not be tolerated. WjBscribe 16:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

TeePee-20.7 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY ANGRY at the moment, and as I have just learnt wikipedia users seem to have a opposition to the use of swear words, but not other insults. So I will try my hardest to refraim from using swears. Now regarding all that has recently happened with the users I was blocked from editing as a result I would like to say my opinion as I am entitled to it. Now the adminstrator who has blocked me has firstly said despite warnings I have attacked other editors and provided the cases in which I attacked the editors. First of all, I admit that the first example was an attack which I was then warned for and was not even aware of this policy until the user warned me. So this first attack was due to me being unaware. Then the same editor who issued me the first warning isssued me with a second one when I did not even attck the editor he was defending, and that warning was uncalled for. Although this example was not used by the editor who blocked me. Then the second example he used I totally disagree with! I don't see at all how I was attacking the user in fact I was telling him to leave me alone and from the tone of my comment, any third party could infer that it was a comment intended to halt communication. I said "Fuck off", but anyone understands what that means and knows that it is most certaintly not an attack! Then this user who blocked me goes on to say I "aggressively cross-posted to a number of users using a homophobic slur to describe those you were in dispute with". AGGRESSIVLEY? I have no idea how my comments in any way were aggressive! I was simply stating my situations to those users, and as they are all apart of the wikiproject:Latinos, a project intended to improve articles relating to Latinos, I thought they could help me explain the concept to the original user I commented to and prevent the second user from bullying me when I was trying to help. As for homophobic slur? WTF! The word I used in my comments was "maricons" which is literally the spanish translation for queers, something that both this user have added to their pages as being proud to be! I am NOT a homophobe at all and in fact, not that it really anyones business but will further help my argument, my cousin is a maricon (He himself identifies with this term). I have felt really hurt by this as it originally started as me trying to help a misinformed user and then I was ganged up on by both these users, who have also now realised somewhat my point judging from their discussions with each other following this incident. Something which I was trying to inform them of. So please may I be unblocked, as I am over these ignorant users and no longer wish to communicate with them anyway, which is what I was originally planning on doing as you can see in my attack.

Decline reason:

Blatant personal attacks and incivility. You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to launch personal attacks or to go around telling people to "fuck off". That you are continuing your personal attacks in your unblock request ("these ignorant users") shows that you are still not ready to abide by WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. The block is entirely appropriate. — Yamla (talk) 17:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Yamla

Aright well let me ask you a question then. If I had said leave me alone would have that been taken as an attack? And as you already read the first attack was out of unawareness of EVERY wikipedia policy, honestly do you know how long it would take to read them all! And ignorance, think about that word for a minute. Is calling a user ignorant when they post a comment like this, "Even though mediterranean people are commonly Latino anyway", a personal attack? I don't know why dont you go ask the members of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Latinos or any one of the wikipedians belonging to the Category:Latino/Hispanic Wikipedians. Once you have done that get back to me please.TeePee-20.7 (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

"Leave me alone" is possibly uncivil, it would depend on the context. Calling a user ignorant is unambiguously a violation of WP:NPA. --Yamla (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Yamla Again

Now I'm just writing to make people aware of the Fact that Yamla has chosen not to aknowledge my comment made to him, and has in fact completely disregarded it. I know this to be true for the simple fact that I posted it yesterday at 18:17, 29 November 2007 and since then he has made multiple edits to wikipedia, the latest being at 02:38, 30 November 2007. He has no excuse either because I further went and took the liberty to send him an email to his personal email left on his user page , saying the exact same thing on my user page in case he was not watching my user page. Either way it is quite clear that he has disregarded my comments and won't even do me the dignity of replying. I would also like to say that of all the edits he has since made since I posted my comment, not one has been of him asking the opinion of the people I suggested. My only conclusion as to why this is, is that deep down he knows that I am right and does not wish to debate with me in the case of him losing credibility in some way. So if he does not reply at least to this comment, I will know the previous sentence holds truth. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 04:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits (Dec 2007)

Hello and a qualified welcome back. I see you've returned after the block (which expired a week go - it's sometimes a good idea to take a cooling-off period after such a thing happens so kudos to you).

Yes, it seems that Iamandrewrice was gaming the system. That user is now banned (as distinct from blocked - see User talk:Just2saythis for the difference.

However your recent edits are causing concern. The fact that you (and others) were taken in by a sockpuppetteer in no way excludes you from the Misplaced Pages policy on civility. Please refrain, however hard-done-by you feel, from edits summaries like this and from any further use of derogatory terms like this. Hopefully you can now put this behind you and return to the task we're all here for - that of producing an outstanding encyclopædia. Tonywalton  11:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, getting blocked can be bloody annoying (I had to go to the pub once to calm down after being autoblocked, but then any excuse to go down the pub ☺). I personally don't mind sweariness, the trouble is that others do mind it, and, another thing, Misplaced Pages has to protect itself. How about some journalist with a spare afternoon going through edit summaries and announcing to the world that WP is a SWAMP OF FOUL LANGUAGE FOR OUR KIDS (if you're in the UK you'll know what I mean if I say I can just see the Daily Mail running with that one). As regards "maricon", you say above that your brother is gay and doesn't object to the term. Fair enough; I don't object to the term "Dirty Northern Bastard" from my mate down the pub (who is, of course, a "Soft Southern Jessie") but editors have to assume that someone on the other end of a conversation will object unless proven otherwise.
As to how you were picked up so quickly? I'm feckin good dude Following the Iamandrewrice storm quite a few people are keeping an eye on quite a few other peoples' talkpages and a report appeared on WP:AN/I.
As I say welcome back and keep it clean, dude. Cheers Tonywalton  12:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the above I have reverted your edit here, as being in contravention of WP:CIV. Tonywalton  17:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Derogatory terminology

(Started a new section as this is a more general thread).

I do take your point - there's a very good editor on here who is openly gay and frankly finds it amusing when their talkpage is vandalised by people replacing it with "you=gay". As I said to him, that's exactly as derogatory as someone replacing my userpage with "you=straight". But you have to be careful, especially in an environment like this (online I mean, not specifically WP) because you can't know who is at the other end and how they'll take something which is frequently used as an insult by others even if you don't mean it as an insult in that specific situation. Also remember that on WP edits and summaries are generally available for anyone to view; anyone looking at them is "on the other end" in this context.

For another example, see Big_Brother_(TV_series)#United_Kingdom where controversy was caused by someone referring to themselves as a "Paki poof". They apparently had no problem with using the terms in connection with themselves; I doubt whether they'd have been quite so sanguine had some stranger in the street come up and called them it.

The upshot, as I see it, is that you (not you specifically, I mean all editors) have to be careful about what might cause offence. Call it PC if you will but we're here in collaboration to produce an encyclopædia and one of the easy ways of breaking that collaboration up is to either be insulting or to be perceived as insulting. Tonywalton  12:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)