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December 16

• Four Bolivian states of Santa Cruz, Beni, Pando and Tarija declare autonomy from the central government led by President Evo Morales. Skomorokh 14:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

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• Russian President Vladimir Putin endorses Dmitry Medvedev (pictured) as his successor in the upcomming presidential election. --Camptown (talk) 10:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The decision is possibly more important than the upcomming election. --Camptown (talk) 10:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Is Medvedev running unopposed? --Howard the Duck 10:18, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

There are a handfull candidates, but as Medevev has been endorsed by the President AND all parties in the Parliament except the Communists, the election is probably going to be just another formality.--Camptown (talk) 11:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I dunno about this, BBC News doesn't have this as a story so it seems to be unnotable now. Perhaps it can be ITN-worthy after the elections. --Howard the Duck 11:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't this same blurb nominated on December 10 as well? Aecis 12:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Certainly, but the item was opposed by editors who thought this was just a simple endorsment in a traditional democracy. As Medvedev runs practically unopposed (all serious contenders have decided to back off) - the endorsment is the practical decision of succession. --Camptown (talk) 15:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Strong support. The decision has very important implications and Mevedev will now for sure be the next President of Russia. Bondkaka (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

• Now that ICA has been taken down for Main Page balance, does this image of the oil spill in/near South Korea qualify for ITN? Aecis 01:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Another suggestion: just a picture of Pervez Musharraf. -- Reaper X 02:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't see what's going on in the oil spill picture. It just looks like some sunbathers on holiday at the beach. S♦s♦e♦b♦a♦l♦l♦o♦s 02:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

• Perhaps there should be a mention of the agreement on a plan to negotiate a new global warming pact by 2009 at the recent UN climate conference in Bali, Indonesia? --Weldingfish (talk) 05:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Submit a properly formatted hook, with an emboldened updated article, and it will be considered. --Stephen 08:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

How about: The 2007 United Nations Climate Change Conference concludes with an agreement to refine and expand the provisions of the Kyoto Protocol. 91.65.0.36 (talk) 15:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

December 15

Not new items but this is now ready to be on ITN and is newer then some of the existing items

• President Pervez Musharraf announces the end of the 6 week old emergency rule in Pakistan. American Patriot 1776 (talk) 17:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

support Grant.alpaugh (talk) 20:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

• Tropical Storm Olga causes major floods and landslides in the Caribbean, killing at least 25 people.

(date 11 or 13 December) Nil Einne (talk) 08:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

strong support Grant.alpaugh (talk) 20:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I thinks we've missed the boat on this one, it was downgraded on the 13th. --Stephen 08:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

December 14

• Fabio Capello is confirmed by The FA as the new England Head Coach. Not sure if this is ITN worthy but England are one of the most supported football (soccer) teams in the world. Peanutter67 (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

  

I actually think England failing to qualify for EURO 2008 was ITN-notable material, but this one isn't. --Howard the Duck 14:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Personally I don't think either are really noteable enough for ITN. Yes football is a massive sport and yes England is a very well known team and yes the failing to qualify for Euro was a resonably major upset but neither stories seem significant enough to me. Nil Einne (talk) 17:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I just think both stories start an unfortunate precident. Do we start posting if the Yankees don't make the playoffs or if they hire a new manager? I just think we should only post significant championships, records, and unexpected stories as far as sports go. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 18:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Well the major difference between England-Euro 2008 and the Yankees-MLB playoffs is that the MLB playoffs occur annually and is arguably easier to reach rather than qualifying for the Euro championships which occur quadrennially. A better analogy would be the USA hoops team failing to qualify for the Olympics. --Howard the Duck 03:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

December 13

• The relevant articles haven't been updated yet, but is New Jersey abolishing the death penalty ITN-worthy? Aecis 23:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Doubtful. I'm Massachusetts and hadn't heard a thing about it. I couldn't even find it here. And it still needs the governors approval. ~Sasha Callahan _(Talk) 23:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
    • See Google News. I agree that we have to wait until the governor approves it, which is scheduled to happen in January. Aecis 23:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
• The Mitchell Report is released, naming 89 Major League Baseball players who are alleged to have used anabolic steroids and/or human growth hormone. Grandmasterka 22:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Might need to wait a bit, and the international interest is debatable (I should think it would be internationally significant due to the wide variety of countries represented in MLB.) Grandmasterka 22:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The article needs some work (and it will), but otherwise I support. This is very big news in the sports world that compares in importance to the 2006 Serie A scandal and the 2007 Formula One espionage controversy, both of which made WP:ITN. ---CWY2190 22:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

This is definitely notable and ITN-worthy. This involves the highest level of competition in a sport that is very popular in the Americas and East Asia, with players from several notable baseball countries. Aecis 22:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, strong support after a little more work. The international significance is not even debatable given the high level of interest in Major League Baseball throughout North America, the Caribbean, and the Pacific Rim.Grant.alpaugh (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Strong support. Major story in the baseball world (if not all of sports), comparable to scandals in Serie A and F-1. And two of the most notable players on the list were born outside the US (Miguel Tejada and Eric Gagne). ~Sasha Callahan _(Talk) 23:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Posted, thanks --Stephen 00:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Take out the concrete number. It's not sourced. Mahalo. --Ali'i 19:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Do we need a source for how many books are in the Bible? There just are 89 players named. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 04:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

• A British soldier dies after a road accident in Basra, Iraq, just three days before control of security in Basra is handed over to Iraqi authorities. Peanutter67 (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The Basra article - which recently hasn't been updated at all - doesn't mention the road accident. It only mentions the UK pull-out in one short sentence. --Camptown (talk) 20:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The handover of control of security in Basra to the Iraqi authorities might be ITN-worthy, the death of a single soldier isn't. Aecis 22:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• In Lisbon, Portugal heads of state of European Union member states signed the Treaty of Lisbon amending the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community.

Well, the EU Reform Treaty ("Treaty of Lisbon") has been posted on ITN twice this year - so this wuold be the third time. I think we should wait with the third (!) posting until the treaty has been ratified (or possibly rejected) later next year. --Camptown (talk) 20:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. -- Mike (Kicking222) 21:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Why has this been posted?? I hardly see any consensus for adding this, as it has been posted twice before and as of yet has not been officially ratified. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 03:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

This really isn't news... --Howard the Duck 03:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

• "The ICTY sentences Dragomir Milošević to 33 years in prison for his role in the Siege of Sarajevo during the War in Bosnia and Herzegovina." Aecis 01:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Currently, a very short article with merly a few lines of recent updates. --Camptown (talk) 20:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

December 12

• Christoph Blocher, leader of the right-wing People's Party, is voted out of office in the elections to the federal government of Switzerland. — self-nom by Sandstein (talk) 10:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I understand that it is not yet finally decided whether Chr. Blocher will be included in the new cabinet or not. --Camptown (talk) 15:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

It is now; he's out. Sandstein (talk) 21:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• The International Olympic Committee strips Marion Jones of her five Sydney 2000 Olympics medals after she admitted taking banned substances. --Bob (talk) 15:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Has this been mentioned ITN before? If not, then support. Thue | talk 17:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The IOC stripped her today, this is breaking news as of today, couldn't have been posted before - don't know about her voluntarily handing them back though... --Bob (talk) 17:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes it was. She voluntarily surrendered the medals back in October. I suppose she was still on record as being the winner and no longer had the physical medals. But today's vote just took her name from the books. ~Sasha Callahan _(Talk) 17:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

It was added here ~Sasha Callahan _(Talk) 17:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

• The Lebanese army's chief of operations, General Francois al-Hajj, is killed in a bomb attack. --Bob (talk) 15:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Support. Thue | talk 17:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

First, Bob, news items are written in present tense, so please attempt to write suggestions that way. Second, the article is a sub-stub. I, personally, would never post anything to the top of the main page that would link WP readers to a six-sentence article. -- Mike (Kicking222) 19:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

• Tropical storm Olga causes major floods and landslides in the Caribbean, killing at least eight people. --Bob (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

December 11

• Two bombings in the Algerian capital Algiers kill 47 people.Ygoloxelfer (talk) 12:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to change the wording, as this is my first submission for ITN, and obviously the casualty figures will need to be updated with time - I just took the ones from the article. Ygoloxelfer (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Added, thanks. Thue | talk 14:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Led Zeppelin played their reunion concert at the The O2 arena in memory of Ahmet Ertegun. Over 20 million people applied for tickets, with some paying up to $2,000 each. SilkTork * 08:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Not significant enough. Thue | talk 14:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it is definitely significant enough. It's probably the biggest piece of news in the music industy this year. Twenty million people is pretty damn significant. --Plasma Twa 2 (talk) 18:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Former President of Peru, Alberto Fujimori, has been sentenced to six years in prison and fined 400,000 nuevo soles (92,050 euros) for abuse of power. --Bob (talk) 01:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
• Update on a previous item: Two bombings by Al-Qaeda in the Algerian capital Algiers kill dozens of people, including 10 UN employees. --Bob (talk) 01:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

December 10

• Cristina Fernández de Kirchner is sworn in as the President of Argentina. GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 20:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No, there is no need to include Fernández de Kirchner again as she has already been on ITN when she won the election. ITN wont benifit much should sucessful politicians be posted twice (winning elections + taking offices). --Camptown (talk) 20:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

We included the news about Rudd being sworn in as Australian prime minister. I don't see a reason to not include this. --Plasma Twa 2 (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

If there is precedence on this matter, then it should be listed again. --Bob (talk) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I don't know. Rudd was a special case since it was the change of PM for Australia after 13 years which is considered a very long time for Australia, and also a change in party. If I'm not mistaken Cristina is not really a change, she's just continuining her husband's legacy due to the ban on her husband serving for longer 23:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we should be in the habit of doing this too often. Extremely notable exceptions are one thing (and I'm not saying the Australian election is one of those), but since we already hold elections to be sacred (which already is controversial), I don't think we should extend that privilage to innaugurations. I mean what's next after that the opening and closing of legislative bodies in every country? Grant.alpaugh (talk) 00:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that was really a special case, or they would have added something about him being the first prime minister in 13 years. --Plasma Twa 2 (talk) 01:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I do think the change from John Howard to Kevin Rudd was considered a rather major change in Australia (bear in mind JH is the second longest serving Australian PM) along with the change from the Coalition to Labor. However in retrospect I don't think the actual swearing in had so much attention beyond his signing the Kyoto Protocol. It was after winning the election with JH's loss and concession speech that the major change occured even if he didn't take office until a few weeks later. In any case I wasn't arguing in support of mentioning the Rudd story just pointing out that the Rudd case was not really comparable to the Argentina case. Edit: Actually she is the countries first female president evidentally. Nil Einne (talk) 04:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Second, actually. GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 17:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Pass on this one, just because it was already up there for the elections, and since there are other more notable things to post currently. Lawrence Cohen 16:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• The former president of Peru, Alberto Fujimori is on trial for murder and kidnapping. (first day today)--Bob (talk) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know much on the subject, but from what it sounds it seems pretty important. --Plasma Twa 2 (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

A conviction I think would merit inclusion, but I don't think the actual trial is notable enough. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 00:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I think we did list the extradition to Peru a few months ago, but I'm not sure the start of the trial warrants ITN. A verdict would be another matter, obviously. Aecis 00:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, however a verdict comes down, it will be notable enough to warrant a blurb. A conviction just makes it overwhelmingly so. Lawrence Cohen 16:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Just in - he's been convicted and sentenced to six years in prison. Ygoloxelfer (talk) 23:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• 2007 Bologna Motor Show opens its doors --Bob (talk) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Not notable enough. --Plasma Twa 2 (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Dmitri Medvedev, is Putin's candidate for the Russian presidential election. --Bob (talk) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

A endorsement isn't enough for ITN. --Plasma Twa 2 (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Plasma Twa 2 on this one. While this endorsement/nomination makes it virtually certain that Medvedev will be the next President of Russia, common practice is not to list candidacies, and only focus on the election outcome. Having said that, I'm not sure if we're gonna stick with it if the Republican Party and the Democratic Party announce their Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates next year. Aecis 00:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Aecis etc here. Yes he's almost definitely going to be the next Russian president but we should wait for the election. As for the US, we've had discussions about this before, so far most people have agreed we should not put the Republican and Democractic? (is that the right word? I'm a bit confused since I understand Democrat is offensive in some contexts) candidates. There is some uncertainty about whether we should mention if there is something special such as the first female presidential candidate from a major party or the first black/African American candidate as we did with Royal but definitely if it's just an ordinary case I haven't yet seen much support for it (although I suspect someone's liable to do it anyway) Nil Einne (talk) 04:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Given timeless Russian politics and the present playing field there is little chance of an upset. He is the new leader, at least as this story is being reported "in the news". Support Potatoswatter (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Fernando Alonso will drive with Renault F1 in 2008. --Bob (talk) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Not notable enough. --Plasma Twa 2 (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

December 7

• A state of disaster is declared in South Korea's Taean country after the countries worst ever oil spill

Proposing this but I don't know if it quite qualifies for ITN. Any state of disaster is automatically up there in the list of candidates for me. And according to initial estimates the cost of this may be up to US$330 million which I would say is resonably large. The region appears to be rather pristine environmentally speaking with at least one national park. Also the cost may fall onto international insurance companies (although I'm a bit unsure of that, see the article talk page). The story was the top story on Al Jazeera and BBC an hour or more ago but is no longer (overtaken by the EU-Africa summit in both cases) although it remains one of the top stories on both places (and also on CNN and Xiahua). Finally this appears to have spread more then intially expected. However in terms of oil spills, this one is actually fairly minor in size, about 1/4 of the size of Exxon Valdez which in itself was evidentally in relative terms, fairly minor except it happened in a very bad place (this one is bad but not nearly as bad as the Alaska Sounds). A lot seems to depend on how far it will spread which is seemingly not helped by the bad weather and some mistakes by the SK goverment but remains a bit uncertain I think. Oh and finally I don't know if the article is quite up to ITN standard yet. Nil Einne (talk) 16:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Posted, the article seems in reasonable shape, and the event seems significant for the area. --Stephen 00:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Swedish prosecutors launch a criminal investigation after systematic food safety irregularities were revealed at ICA, the leading grocery store chain in Sweden. --Camptown (talk) 18:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have been bold and moved the article to ICA meat repackaging controversy, which better covers the content and avoids the pov terms Cheat and Scandal. I'm not sure about putting this on ITN though. This appears to be confined to Sweden, and it's not even on the Main Page there, and it has a very small section in sv:ICA. Aecis 18:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Did you read the article before moving it? It's not only about repacking... Moreover, what happens "there" (Swedish WP) is totally irrelevant, and I remember that Aecis supported the inclusion of the French strike at ITN, an article which was even nominated for deletion "there" (French WP). Bondkaka (talk) 23:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I read the article, and all it mentions is repackaging. In the first sentence: "A scandal surrounding the repackaging of meat..."; in the second sentence: "...revealed that they had repackaged out-of-date meat..."; in the first sentence of the Scandal revealed section: "...employees at four featured Maxi ICA Hypermarkets relabeling outdated ground meat, as well as grinding down other forms of out-of-date meat to make ground meat..."; the next sentence: "...picking up outdated pork chops from the floor, repacking and relabeling them." The first sentence of the next paragraph: "...the company knew that meat was being illegally repackaged as early as 2003." Two sentences on: "...many stores engaged in practices such as repackaging meat in order to change the best before date, saying that "they even re-minced meat that had already been out on the shelves, before repackaging it and putting it back out on the shelves," Sausage meats that had become old and sticky were also repackaged after rinsing, he said"; in the final sentence of the Reaction section: "...and only focus on the meat packing scandal." I think ICA meat repackaging controversy covers the content of the article quite well. Ofcourse I'm always open to suggestions and alternatives. Have you got one? Aecis 23:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Btw, if you reread the discussion on the French strikes a few weeks ago, you will see that I endorsed the nomination when the high speed train connections to Belgium and Germany were sabotaged, which is quite an international perspective. You aren't even comparing apples and oranges anymore, you are comparing banjos to zebras. Aecis 23:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

That's a very childish way to argue, especially as you endorsed that article while it was still nominated for deletion "there". Bondkaka (talk) 00:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Support. This is intersting news covering food safety and irregularities in the retail market of a multi-national grocery store chain, the article should be posted. Bondkaka (talk) 23:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Note: I have filed a move request for the article, to have it moved from ICA Meat Cheat Scandal to ICA meat repackaging controversy. Aecis 00:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe "2007 ICA meat repackaging controversy" would be even better? --Camptown (talk) 10:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this relevant to have on the Main Page? This probably happens in almost every store in every part of the world and it's not even mentioned by any international news agencies! Funsides (talk) 14:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

December 6

• Christopher Weeramantry (pictured), Dekha Ibrahim Abdi, Percy Schmeiser, and Grameen Shakti win the Alternative Nobel Prize for "ongoing successful work".--Camptown (talk) 13:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I know, the Nobel Foundation might hate this prize, but it is a rather remarkable inititative by a private donation; and it is indeed endorsed by the Swedish Parliament. --Camptown (talk) 13:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I would not support this unless their field of work was given. --Stephen 03:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, that is sort of a key component. Otherwise, support. Lawrence Cohen 15:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the award winners' articles could be updated more with materials from http://www.rightlivelihood.org/laureates.html?&no_cache=1 ? BTW, Dekha Ibrahim Abdi has a Commons pic, too. --PFHLai (talk) 13:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• The 24th Southeast Asian Games opens in Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand.

  A mini-Olympics-like event in Southeast Asia. --Howard the Duck 15:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Should be notable enough, no? Lawrence Cohen 15:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Mild support here. Maybe inclusion of expected end date so as to eliminate attempts to include closing of event as well would be appropriate. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is notable enough. The Asian Games yes, but the Southeast Asian Games? Aecis 21:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 23:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I just figured if we'd display a mini-Olympics among mini-countries we might as well add a mini-Olympics among medium-sized countries. --Howard the Duck 03:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

So the IAAF World championships, which determined the world champion as recognised by the official world governing body of disciplines in one of the most widespread sports in the world does not, in HtD's opinion, merit inclusion, but this event, which establishes a regional champion in events, many of which are virtually unknown in the rest of the world, whose governing bodies have unclear relationships with the event organisers, and where the standard of competition is such that a competitor can win a medal without ever having played the sport before , should be included. Hmmmm... Kevin McE (talk) 10:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

The IAAF WC weren't even in the news... the only mention I saw on the web (aside from here) is on a photos website where the posters were drooling over a Swedish runner (LOL).

With that said, we should've added the Boxing and Taekwondo WCs since they were also "World Championships".

Granted this year's SEA Games aren't even on the news either, maybe because there's very little English-language sources unlike the 2005 version that made it to the ITN. --Howard the Duck 13:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

P.S.: I'm not even saying we'd put the gold medalists on every event; just the simple "The 24th SEA Games begins...", just as what I've said on the IAAF WC suggestion. --Howard the Duck 13:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Exactly what I proposed for the IAAF Championships, and which you argued against, repeatedly. As for the IAAF World Championships nopt being on the news, I can only surmise that they were not reported on the particular news source that you favour. Please do not mistake that for some kind of arbiter of all that is global news. Kevin McE (talk) 20:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

You do realize that the IAAF WC is a single sport (Athletics/Track & Field), and on sports festivals with a single sport, we'd mention the team that won the championship - in case of Athletics, we'd mention the country with the most medals. In any case, the IAAF WC failed to provide sufficient press to be on ITN. For the SEA Games, it seems it failed to gather any publicity too; the birthday of King Bhumibol Adulyadej had more press. Lets see in the closing ceremonies if becomes "news" or if something extraordinary happens when the games are underway. --Howard the Duck 02:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I think this has about the same amout of merit as the IAAF. But they both appear/ed to suffer from the same problem, their articles are hardly 'ITN standard' Nil Einne (talk) 19:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

December 5

• A gunman kills eight people and injures five at a shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska.

Improvements on the wording of this suggestion welcome. – Swid  23:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Will include it when TFA updates in a few mins time, to make sure it is a balanced page. Woody (talk) 23:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. If you have the time, you (or another admin) should also keep tabs on the article and supporting news articles for the next few hours (so that the dead/injured numbers remains accurate). – Swid  23:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Done now. Will keep an eye out until I log off. Woody (talk) 00:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks like this news entry has been removed. I propose that it be put back up as soon as possible. Abog (talk) 01:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

It was indeed removed, because the article Westroads Mall shooting has been nominated for deletion. Aecis 01:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

AFD nom has been closed as keep, so I'm going to take the liberty of bringing it back up. Tuxide (talk) 03:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Didn't take long for you to notice :) Harryboyles 03:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

And this is of international importance how? Plus the article in question is using a disputed image. This should be removed, it satisfies very little to none of the criteria to be a ITN item. The great kawa (talk) 12:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Just because something occurs in the United States doesn't mean it doesn't have international importance. I would expect a highly-covered news event of similar magnitude occurring in another country to be featured as well. Abog (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I am just surprised an admin actually posted this. My concerns have not even been addressed and this seemingly satisfies none of the criteria. A rogue admin? The great kawa (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

December 3

• The United States Senate approves a free trade agreement with Peru by a vote of 77 to 18, clearing the way for its implementation. --Victor12 (talk) 21:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Why do we have the passing of a single bill by a national legislature on the main page? I mean, sure there are going to be some implications for two countries in the world, but the US has enacted many kinds of similar laws with other countries over the last few years, and I cannot recall having seen those up (but correct me if i'm wrong on that). Unless it's something multilateral like CAFTA or the like i really don't think this merits any mention. I'm sure that very few people in either country even know about this law, and this is reflected in seeing nothing on either CNN, MSNBC or (as a control) BBCNews websites concerning this. Maybe it's not ITN significant. Thethinredline (talk) 00:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with the criticism. Unless there are some very significant riders on this bill, in which case they should be mentioned in the blurb and not just the law being passed, I don't think this merits inclusion. Another possible exception is that this bill represents some sweeping change in US foreign policy, again in which case that should recieve the primary billing in the blurb. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 01:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, this is insignificant. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 05:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Good that it was removed. --Howard the Duck 10:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Why was this removed? I don't see any substance in the arguments raised against it. Thethinredline is quite wrong when he says that very few people in either country even know about this law, because although that's the case in the US, in Peru this ratification is the main news item in all of the country's media. As for it not being multilateral well, you can just take a look at the following proposal which actually made it to ITN and has stayed there. As for the ratification not being mentioned by the international media, that's totally wrong see for example BBC News or The New York Times. After reading Grant.alpaugh comment, I think the problem here is one of systemic bias which is one of the flaws of Misplaced Pages. That's why Grant reasons "if its not important for the US then it is not important". I think that is a big mistake. --Victor12 (talk) 17:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Removing the mention of a bill passed by the US legislature is evidence of a bias towards the United States? I agree with you bias exists in general , but this is simply a case of something that it not very notable. It is not the first trade agreement signed by either country, nor is it a significant reversal of policy which might make it noteworthy. If, as you say, it is the biggest thing in the news in Peru, well then that's not enough. Also i must disagree with you, Grant.alpaugh never said what you allege, but rathe that if something were to happen that would mark a significant shift in US foreign policy, that might be classified as notable, but this is not the case. Blood Red Sandman, who removed this blurb from ITN listed his reason as insignificance, as such five people have weighed in that this story was not notable enough to mention on ITN, and two people have felt that it was. I think that speaks of consensus not to mention. Thethinredline (talk) 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

It is an example of US centric bias because a couple of users have argued that as it is not important for the US (it does not appear on MSNBC for example) it is not relevant enough for ITN. That's Grant.alpaugh argument, if the agreement does not mark a fundamental shift in US politics it is not important. For Peru it does mark a very important shift as it implies a long range commitment with the US for the Peruvian economic policy not only in trade but also regarding labor and environmental laws. This is really important for this country, as much as a change of government because it of its long term consequences. Please explain why this is not enough?

As for consensus, please read WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY, discussions are decided by arguments and discussion, not voting. Of people opposing this item only two (Thethinredline and Grant.alpaugh) have expressed arguments, the other two have just agreed, not argued. --Victor12 (talk) 18:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The reason I contested the inclusion of this item in ITN is because economic treaties between countries are a regular occurrance. The involvement between an industrial superpower like the US, Russia, China, Germany, etc. and a country in the developing world will obviously have more of an impact on the developing country than the industrial superpower. Therefore, the fact that this has a huge impact on the Peruvian community is simply not notable. Secondly, this treaty does not represent a very significant development opportunity for US interests, regardless of what the treaty's supporters say. Wal-Mart and Haliburton are not going to be relocating their corporate headquarters to Lima as a result of this treaty, nor are Peruvian goods going to start lining the shelves of Toys 'R Us and K-Mart in time for the holiday season here in the US. Also, I'm sure the AP wrote some procedural pieces for the BBC, MSNBC, the NYT, etc. to bury on their sites and inside their papers, but that happens for lots of things that don't make it to ITN. Listen, I'm sure this treaty does a lot of good for specific communities in both countries, but the simple fact remains that this story did not recieve significant coverage from the international media, nor is it of particular interest to very many people outside Peru, thus in my humble opinion, it does not meet the standards for ITN. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, your comment about consensus proves that it should have been removed, Victor. The fact that the people opposing are making reasonable arguments against the inclusion, as opposed to the two people other than yourself who have supported simply by saying so, shows that the item should have been removed. Simply wandering by the page and throwing your two cents in doesn't hold equal weight to giving several reasons why this should not be included. If it was, then wikipedia would run like a democracy. Thank God it doesn't. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 20:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, the treaty isn't even implimented yet!!! This was just a procedural vote by the Senate. Both countries need to work out differences between the bills before this can go into effect. You want to accuse me of bias, but you assume that because the US passes something it goes into effect!? This shouldn't have even been suggested until it went into effect, because as of now any purported benefits of the treaty are just speculation. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 20:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Let's keep it civil Grant, there's no need for this. But I would like to agree with Grant's earlier points in principle, but i think drawing inferences from the effects this agreement will have is beside the point. Simply put the news of two countries signing a free trade agreement is just not notable. Neither Grant, nor myself have ever said that this was not importrant, but as Grant said these kinds of agreements happen all the time and as such are not particularly notable. Thethinredline (talk) 20:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I was being perfectly civil. All I did was point out that the treaty hasn't even really been passed yet. The reason I might have been more aggressive than usual was the fact that I was being accused of having a systematic bias because my statement was misinterpreted, as you pointed out. I don't like having words put in my mouth, especially over something that as of yet is not even a story. Could it be that Victor is simply Peruvian and understandably thinks a big story in Peru is more notable than it really is? That being said I didn't mean to offent anyone, I just don't understand why this was even suggested. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 20:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... quite unconvincing still, let's see your arguments point by point

• The reason I contested the inclusion of this item in ITN is because economic treaties between countries are a regular occurrence, the same could be said about elections, sport championships, and several other types of occurrences that happen regularly and make their way to ITN.
• Therefore, the fact that this has a huge impact on the Peruvian community is simply not notable, under this argument, the blurb on the Venezuelan referendum currently on the main page should be removed as it only impacts the Venezuelan community.
• this treaty does not represent a very significant development opportunity for US interests, there's a clear bias in this argument, are you implying that if it does not have a significant impact on the US it is not important?
• Also, I'm sure the AP wrote some procedural pieces for the BBC, MSNBC, the NYT, etc. to bury on their sites and inside their papers, actually no. While the NYT put online an yesterday AP piece yesterday, they wrote their own story for today's edition
• but the simple fact remains that this story did not receive significant coverage from the international media, the same could be said about the Togo election. Actually I cannot find a piece on the Togo election in the NYT.
• This was just a procedural vote by the Senate. Both countries need to work out differences between the bills before this can go into effect, actually, you have misread the article. With the Senate vote the treaty has been ratified by both countries, there's no difference between bills approved in Peru and in the US, what remains to be done is to adjust each country's legislation to the treaty so that it can come into effect, that's just a procedural issue.
• because as of now any purported benefits of the treaty are just speculation, that argument would imply that treaties should no go into ITN until their effects are known, years after their ratification.
• Could it be that Victor is simply Peruvian and understandably thinks a big story in Peru is more notable than it really is?, ad hominem argument, irrelevant for the discussion.

To sum up, if you compare this piece with other items that get to ITN, it is quite clear that it is relevant and deserves inclusion. --Victor12 (talk) 22:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

While it is clear this will not go up again i'd like to make some further points. First, elections are sacred on ITN, they fall into a separate category by themselves and cannot be compared. While i agree with you in principle about the issue of the Venezuelan constitution amendments, the fact of the matter is that the story got quite a lot of attention (it got signficant attention from 24-hour news channels, articles and follow-ups were printed about it in the New York Times and the NZZ (the newspapers i personally read), it was mentioned on the front page of most news websites, so one could conclude thet it is a notable story, if only because Pres. Chavez likes to criticize Pres. Bush. That's the sad truth of the matter.

Peruvian trade with the US totals $5.7bn in exports and $2.5bn in imports according to the 2006 figures I obtained from the World Factbook on cia.gov. As such this deal will have an effect on approximately 0.00047% of global exports and 0.00021% of global imports. Unless this deal is the magic salve that is going to shift that decimal spot a few places to the right, are you gonna tell me that this is one of the more significant things occuring in the world right now? Thethinredline (talk) 23:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

You've over parsed a lot of my arguments, breaking them down into segments that by themselves are easy to misconstrue and argue against. That being said I still disagree with most of what you're saying. Point by point:

• While you will never hear me arguing that the results of the Danish parliamentary elections or the Davis Cup final should be included in ITN, elections and sporting events have unknown outcomes, the results of which are reported, as opposed to a bilateral trade agreement which often do not represent a significant change in policy for either country (examples of changes would be if the US agreed to end the embargo of Cuba, everyone agrees to stop trading with South Africa because of apartheid, etc.). Because the US and Peru are simply strengthening an existing trading relationship and not altering it in unforseen ways this treaty is simply not notable.
• Venezuela's referendum had serious foreign policy implications on the world because Venezuela is a major exporter of oil. Also, the fact that Chavez's regime is generally agreed to be controvertial, the fact that it could have gone on in perpetuity with the passage of the referendum was a major issue for many different governments and their citizens. This US-Peru agreement has little effect on the US as a whole and since Peru (while a great nation with a fascinating culture, people, heritage, etc. I'm sure) is not exactly the biggest world player politically, economically, culturally, etc. the impacts just aren't of widesweeping international interest.
• I'm not saying that because it doesn't impact the US significantly it isn't important. What I am saying is that because it is a bilateral trade agreement the only countries it can affect are the US and Peru. As explained above the US isn't affected very much and the effects on Peru simply aren't notable as far as ITN is concerned.
• What page were these stories printed on and how much webspace did the stories get. Local dog trace results get printed in the NYT every day. That doesn't mean they are widely reported or of international interest.
• Again see my first point.
• The fact remains that the treaty is not in effect right now, which means that until it is, it should not have even been suggested.
• What I'm saying is that the best reason you have for the inclusion of this item in ITN is that it has a huge effect on US-Peruvian relations, the economy of Peru, etc. and that reason is moot because for whatever reason is the case the treaty is not in effect right now.
• All I'm doing is pointing out that from looking at your user page you probably (and understandably) have a bias being that you are obviously proud of your Peruvian heritage. There's nothing wrong with that. Heck, I'm sure I'm overzealous of including US based stories. What makes wikipedia work is that we all work to check each others particular biases, and if that means I pointed out a potential bias on your part then color me guilty. I'm sure this is a huger than huge story in Peru, but here on wikipedia it just isn't. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 23:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Quite unsurprisingly a shooting at a US mall with zero international repercussions has got into ITN. It seems ITN just repeats the bias of international news agency (read English speaking international news agencies, mostly US based). As for what Thethinredline said, I know I'm fighting windmills, I'm just trying to make a point about the inherent bias in how ITN is constructed. If I understand what you are saying a story should be included only if it gets significant attention on English speaking news websites unless its an election, because elections are sacred. Then, Misplaced Pages is just repeating the bias of international news agencies which give more attention to US stories than those of developing countries. I bet that if the shooting had taken place in Congo or Laos it would have never made it into those agencies, let alone into ITN. The only attempt to rectify this bias is the inclusion of elections which, AFAIK is not a written guideline, just a usual practice. Why should it be the only exception? Shouldn't Misplaced Pages try to fight against systematic bias.

As for what Grant.alpaugh said, the argument that elections or sporting events have unknown outcomes is clearly not true for all cases. Furthermore, the outcome of the Senate vote on the US-Peru TPA was not guaranteed as Democrats had campaigned hard against free trade agreements for quite a while. This is the first such treaty that has been approved since they took over a majority in Congress. Your second argument about Peru not being a major international player would just mean that little countries (read poor or developing countries) don't deserve space on ITN. As for how much webspace do this stories get, do news websites in Spanish count or only English speaking ones? As for the treaty not being in effect, that reasoning would imply excluding the signing of a new Kyoto Protocol or a major breakthrough at the Doha round until they come into effect which can take place years after their signature. --Victor12 (talk) 17:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

This is clearly not going to be reposted, so this will probably be my last post here. That being said, I've never argued that the shooting should be included in ITN, but if pushed, I think I'd have to support its inclusion on the grounds that the shooting was in a mall during the middle of Christmas shopping season. The economies of literally dozens of nations and billions of people depend on American shoppers during the holiday season, especially one about which there has already been significant ammounts of doubt as to the spending patterns of shoppers. Either way WP:Other Stuff Exists. Secondly, if you can come up with a better indicator of what is notable than coverage by the international news media, I'd love to hear it. Thirdly, unless a sporting event or election has been fixed, the outcome is inherently unknown. Either way it will not have been reported yet, which means its update (if sufficiently notable) merits inclusion. Fourth, if you honestly believe this treaty presents a significant change in US foreign of economic policy, that's an argument you'll have a hard time winning. The US already had normalized economic and dimplomatic relations with Peru before this treaty and vice versa. This treaty will have little impact on the US economy or foreign policy. The impact it will have on Peru has not been widely reported and as such is not sufficiently notable or of international interest. Fifth, my argument about Peru not being a terribly significant international player did not mean that stories concerning those countries are inherently not notable. What it did mean was that because to be ITN a story has to be an item of international interest, the effects (however large) on just one, small country do not meet that standard. Unless those effects fit into a broader, more internationally relevent theme or story, they are just not notable, and hence are not highly covered by reliable sources. Sixth, because this is the English language wikipedia, we generally grant more weight to English language sources, as they are a better measure of what matters to English speakers, who are our audience. That is not to say that only English sources count, but I would guess that the only sources that are widely covering this story are based in Peru, and not in Mexico City, Madrid, etc. Finally, the Kyoto Protocol is of MUCH greater significance than this treaty, and as such was the subject of much more international attention and media coverage, but I'll drop my argument that the effects have to be known before they are included. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 22:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

So now that you dropped the effects argument, let's see what remains. As for the shooting, the whole "this can jeopardize the Christmas shopping season" argument is quite weak. I don't think anybody would buy it, it's not mentioned in the relevant article nor in news websites. So basically, this item is being posted in ITN just because it happened in the USA. As for your reference to WP:OTHERSTUFF that applies to deletion debates not to ITN. A comparison with other news items that get to the main page is quite relevant here as proposals are competing against each other to get into ITN, thus the same criteria should apply to all of them to decide whether they are included or not.

As for a better indicator of what is notable, the inclusion of elections ("sacred" elections) is a clear example that ITN does not follow international news agencies always, editors can decide to include other items that they think are notable. That's the whole point of this discussion page. News agencies are an important part of proposal discussions but not the only criteria. As for the treaty's impact on the US I've already stated above that I don't think it has major relevance for the US. What I tried to argue was that the outcome of this vote was not as predictable as you seemed to imply.

As for What it did mean was that because to be ITN a story has to be an item of international interest, the effects (however large) on just one, small country do not meet that standard that's an argument for the exclusion of elections in minor countries such as Togo, clearly that's not a principle set on stone for ITN. As for English speakers, who are our audience I haven't seen that written as part of Misplaced Pages policy, please point a link. The only thing remotely similar is that we should use the English language, but I've never read that en.wiki should cater to the interests and POV of English speakers. As a matter of fact, I think that would go against WP:NPOV which is a fundamental Misplaced Pages principle.

Finally, here are some links about the treaty coverage in Spanish news sources: several links in Spanish at Newstin, TeleSUR of Venezuela, La Tercera of Chile, El Tiempo of Colombia, Terra España, El Clarín of Argentina, Yahoo! España. What I'm trying to say is that ITN needs to at least try to avoid bias, that's the point of discussions here. How can it be that a minor shooting has a greater priority than a treaty that will affect the lives of 28 million people and a whole country? Don't you think this is a little strange? --Victor12 (talk) 18:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The only reason I'm replying to this is that some of these last arguments are so ridiculous they must be answered. First, the idea that an English language encyclopedia targets people who communicate in English is so self explanitory, I don't think any more explanation is necessary. Its not even like this is the Simple English Misplaced Pages, which is for translating into other languages. Additionally, attempting to introduce your POV into this encyclopedia is not tantamount to defending NPOV. Your opinion as a Peruvian that an event which effects Peru and little else is worthy of inclusion ITN, does not mean it satisfies the requirements that an item be of significant international interest or importance to be ITN. Finally, I did not say that non-English sources don't matter, I just said that if there is no significant international coverage in the English language about this item, it would be very hard for it to make it ITN. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Victor12, I understand you care about this subject. Otherwise you wouldn't have improved the article, or nominated this for ITN. And I can understand that you're not happy to see it removed. But your ranting and the baseless accusations of bias will get you nowhere. Please assume good faith, and remain civil. Aecis 16:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

• Komlan Mally is appointed Prime Minister of Togo after the October elections. Therequiembellishere 03:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Could I also take this opportunity to urge suggesters to feel free to pad their blurbs with some relevant detail? I believe we're up to 8 ITN items and still balanced with the, admittedly long, TFA blurb. Thanks, BanyanTree 04:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2

• Sri Lankan cricketer Muttiah Muralitharan surpasses Shane Warne's world record of 708 wickets, in his 114th Test match. Daniel 07:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Support. Notable record unlikely to be beaten any time soon. Hammer Raccoon 16:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

For context, there are only five people with 500+ Test wickets. Apart from Murali, only Anil Kumble is still active and he is 140 wickets behind and older and therefore unlikely to pass him. The next active player with 416 is Shaun Pollock who has been dropped and then it is Chaminda Vaas with 319. All are of similar age to Murali within 2 years and can't make up 400 wickets in 2 years (takes at least 7-8 years to get 400) . Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment:For context and comparison, Barry Bonds' record milestone was acknowledged by ITN. The significance isn't, however, adequately conveyed by a single paragraph. Can it be expanded, perhaps with the reactions of Shane Warne and other contemporaries? SoLando (Talk) 18:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Posted. I've been convinced that this is considered significant, though the sport still seems like something devised by a person convinced that baseball is too fast-paced. ;) Thanks, BanyanTree 04:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

This is not even the lead story in BBC Sport... --Howard the Duck 06:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

YOUR'E not even the lead story on BBC Sport... :P

But seriously, this has to be included. Test cricket is the highest level of the sport and this is probably the most important record in that arena. This has to be ITN. Grant.alpaugh 09:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

That means we ought to include records in the highest level of kabaddi, that's about 2 billion people who care about that sport. :P --Howard the Duck 09:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

If there is a major kabaddi competition that major, english news outlets in several countries are providing significant coverage of then yes I would support that for inclusion. Give us a handful of sources and you've got my vote. From my very, VERY cursory examination it appears this is little more than recreational activity. There don't appear to be any major leagues, and while there is a world championship, I would remind you that in this day and age of unprecidented travel and communications capabilities there are international championships for almost everything from watermelon seed spitting to lawn mower riding. You can't seriously suggest that the same level of attention is given to kabaddi as is given to cricket or baseball. I think you're confusing people being "aware that a sport exists" with "caring about it," ie how many people would pay money and/or travel to watch a competition, what ammount of media coverage does it get, etc. appear to me at least to be a better criteria. Grant.alpaugh 10:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Which brings me to... this piece of news isn't widely reported. Ergo, it's not news fit for ITN. The Special One saying he'd consider the England job (take note, he was appointed, or even interviewed by The FA, he merely considered it) was BBC Sport's lead story when the news broke out. This hasn't had the effect of Bonds hitting the record-breaking HR. --Howard the Duck 12:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

BBC Sport isn't the only source that matters. Again with these ridiculous brightlines, Howard? This was the top story on Sky Sports News (ahead of Mourinho's alleged negotiations with the FA) and many other news sources. Cricket is a gigantic sport worldwide, and especially on the Indian subcontinent. As you pointed out during the Bonds debate, hundreds of millions of English speakers live on the Indian subcontinent, where cricket is the most popular sport. This is a massive story, regardless of whether people in the Philippenes think it is. Grant.alpaugh 12:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Why should you mention Philippines? LOL. How about Yahoo Sports/Eurosport? When I checked my fantasy football team last night there was no mention of this item. The England-Sri Lanka cricket games, yes, but not this. The Indian subcontinent doesn't seem to care. I watched CNN (the International edition, not U.S.) World Sport and it wasn't mentioned. Therefore it is not news. --Howard the Duck 14:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The BBC, Yahoo, and CNN being the be-all, end-all of reporting. Grant.alpaugh 15:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Not really, but if the BBC, Yahoo and CNN report it, why should our very own ITN be? --Howard the Duck 03:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

• Hugo Chavez's constitutional amendments have been rejected.

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 06:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Brazil wins the Volleyball World Cup in Japan. Russia comes second and Bulgaria grabs the bronze. --Cryout 00:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• A major winter storm affects much of North America, disrupting transportation, canceling events, and killing at least ten people. Abog 20:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

This has been the top news story for at least the past 24 hours for most news networks in North America, has disrupted integral parts of the transportation system, has interfered with campaign events for the 2008 U.S. election, and has been picked up internationally by places as far away as China and New Zealand. Abog 20:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Endorse. --Camptown 20:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Early results show that Russian President Vladimir Putin's (pictured) United Russia party wins an overwhelming majority in the parliamentary elections. --Camptown 19:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

With more than 12% of votes counted + official exit polls give United Russia 62%. No need to wait until 100% of votes have been counted --Camptown 19:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the blurb could be edited to reflect accusations of the election being "not fair". See . Hammer Raccoon 16:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• The United States defeat Russia to win tennis's Davis Cup. Joe 04:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not certain that I'd support this one, and I recognize that the underlying article may not be thoroughly updated (2007 Davis Cup World Group is more complete and might be a better bolded target), but I suppose the item ought at least to be thrown out for consideration, if only because our practice relative to international team sporting events hasn't been perfectly consistent. Joe 04:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

This is looking at the event from a very, very personal angle, but someone mentioned this yesterday: Not a single person in my office even knew the Davis Cup was happening, much less that it was happening in America, much less that the US might win. And my office is ESPN headquarters. On ESPN.com, it's only the fourth-biggest story. The first competitor I thought to compare our site to was Yahoo Sports, and it's not their lead story. I simply don't think this event has that big of an international importance or impact, but of course, this is just the perspective of a single person who happens to work in sports. I'm not going to post this, but unlike Sean Taylor's death, I wouldn't outwardly object if someone else did. -- Mike (Kicking222) 05:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Daredevil Evil Knievel dies at the age of 69. -- c4v3m4n 11:00, 2nd December 2007 (UTC)

moved from Talk:Main Page:

Evil Knievel sadly died yesterday, and I believe that should be in the template 'In the news'. Cf38 09:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

He does not fit inclusion criteria for famous deceased persons, I'm afraid (i. e. he's not a head of state or any multinational or global organisation). See WP:ITN, p. 5, for details. Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 10:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I take that back partially, maybe he'd fit under the field of expertise criteria, ask over at WP:ITN/C. --Ouro (blah blah) 10:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually while you're welcome to propose it it is unlikely it meets the criteria. As the criteria mentions for people who meet the key figures in the field of expertise criteria, it's generally accepted that the death must be unexpected or 'tragic' as well. (It's why we didn't have Pavarotti and Milton Friedman for long if at all) If Knieval has been killed while trying a stunt then it would probably qualify. But as he had been fairly sick for several years and was 69 his death wasn't exactly unexpected despite what some people may say about Superman not dying... Nil Einne 12:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Evel Knievel was quite famous, and while his death is sad, it doesn't meet our inclusion criteria. —David Levy 20:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

November 30

• The Clinton story blurb needs to be changed to campaign office and not headquarters. The office in question is a sattellite office and not the headquarters. Grant.alpaugh 21:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Changed. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• Protesters in Sudan demand execution of British school teacher Gillian Gibbons for insulting the prophet Muhammad after the naming of a teddy bear in a class project. --StuffOfInterest 13:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be a minor change to make it more clear that the teddy bear was named Muhammad. Also the teacher's name doesn't need to be in the headline, as teacher could just as easily link to her article. Grant.alpaugh 17:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Neither relevant article describes the teacher in question as an ex-employee of the school: I have seen no comment that suggests that the school has withdrawn support from her, and most importantly, at the time of the naming, she was a teacher at that school. Why then has the headline been changed to read "a former Unity High School teacher"? If she has been dismissed by the school, it should be in one or other of the articles. Kevin McE 13:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Given that she is being deported, I think its safe to call her former as you wont be teaching there anymore. However, I do agree that the word former is not nessisary in the ITN blub and should be removed as it does tend to suggest she was either dismissed or quit (neither of which is true). Russeasby 16:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

She's now been pardoned and released . Hammer Raccoon 16:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Updated. Thanks, BanyanTree 22:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• The wreckage of an Atlasjet plane carrying 56 passengers is found near Isparta in central Turkey, with no survivors. --Camptown (talk) 09:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

November 29

• Amidst the country's state of emergency, Pervez Musharraf (pictured) is sworn in as President of Pakistan for a second term, this time as a civilian. --Camptown (talk) 12:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• The Armed Forces of the Philippines is currently laying siege on The Peninsula Manila (pictured) when several renegade soldiers led by Senator Antonio Trillanes (pictured) staged a mutiny.

--Howard the Duck 08:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that's an amazingly large article for a brand new event. Modified for verb tense and posted. The image doesn't look like much of anything, especially if you don't already know that The Peninsula Manila is a hotel, but we may be forced to use it when Sharif gets rotated off. Thanks, BanyanTree 08:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I myself was even surprised, they made it in like 2 hours... --Howard the Duck 08:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Update: Change siege to assault as the government soldiers started to assault the hotel and those inside. --Howard the Duck 08:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Updated. Note that the suggested image of Trillanes is non-free fair use and will not be used on the Main Page. - BanyanTree 10:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

November 28

• On the parliamentary election in Croatia the right-wing ruling Croatian Democratic Union that led Croatia during the war managed to keep more seats than the left-wing opposition Social Democratic Party of Croatia, but it is questionable which will be able to form a government. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure though whether to note this fully yet, as not all of the votes have been fully counted and the final results are still far away, especially due to the fact that elections will be repeated in several locations. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

In a number of prior cases, I suggested waiting until 100% of the votes had been counted. But 99.93% of votes in Croatia and 95.85% of votes from abroad having been counted is close enough. I endorse putting this up, and suggest: "The Croatian Democratic Union retains a plurality in the Parliament of Croatia." We don't know what the future, the cabinet formation, holds, so we shouldn't speculate on that. Aecis 23:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 00:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Considering that the greatest winner of the election is SDP, I'd insist on actually including them in the news as well. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a suggested wording? Admins look for clearly worded suggestions that are backed up the article and reliable external sources. You can safely assume that admins are completely ignorant about that actual topic. - BanyanTree 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I have - presented it in the very first line. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Aecis rightly notes above that ITN items avoid speculation. Beyond the very minor issues of verb tense, the major issue is that you yourself expressed uncertainty about the merits of the blurb. Suggestions that ask posting admins to make decisions about content, as well as the complicated enough issues of ITN-worthiness (note the kerfuffle above), tend to fall through the cracks. Aecis suggested a blurb stripped of speculation as well as a clear statement on why it was worded the way it was and his suggestion was put up. Note that the point is moot as we are well past the period of "timely interest". BanyanTree 01:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

November 27

• "Riots continue for a second night in the outskirts of Paris, France." JACOPLANE • 2007-11-27 15:16

Is this really eligible? Very short, still market as a stub, hardly of international interest. Please, don't put items only on your own initiative. --Camptown (talk) 21:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, this article is concise, not "short", and is still marked as a stub since it will be expanded substantially within the coming days. Is it of less international interest than the 2007 Writers Guild of America strike? This protest has so far been much more intense than the 2005 civil unrest in France, which was featured on ITN prominently in 2005. Are you objecting that I added an article that I created myself? If so, say so please. I was not aware that there was a rule on ITN that states you cannot add articles you have updated personally. JACOPLANE • 2007-11-27 22:00

I am objecting to the posting of items that have not been reviewed. And Jacoplane who started, "nominated", and posted it right away should know better. --Camptown (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I posted this article hours after I started it. If any other admin feels it should be removed, I will not wheelwar with them. JACOPLANE • 2007-11-27 23:04

Well, you've hardly posted it "hours", but just it a little more than 2 hours after your self-nomination on this page; and by then - it should be pointed out - there was no reaction in relation to your nomination. I'm certainly not against self-nominations, but why do you think that this particular news item is of such importance that even expected expansion of the article will excuse the stub from reaching the frontpage? --Camptown (talk) 12:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The ITN system is dependent on trust - and that the admins follow the basic rules. As admin Jacoplane has abused his admin credentials, I'd expect him to remove the article from the mainpage and return it for further consideration here. Bondkaka (talk) 09:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I wish to comment on the underlying assumptions in some of the above comments, while avoiding actually joining the argument. This page is not a review, but a centralized location where non-admins can suggest items to be posted. Suggestions are not subject to majority approval or consensus, which both require time and are therefore counterproductive to the whole "timely update" aspect, but are rather posted by any admin who feels they are a good candidate. (This is precisely why occasional admin catfights on ITN are expected and even necessary as items are re-evaluated by other admins.) For much of the history of this page, there was very little activity here and admins were often obliged to search for updated articles, including by doing their updates. I've lost track of the number of articles I've updated and posted directly to ITN, only rarely putting items up here when I felt that there might be a question of notability or update quality needing a second opinion. There is no absolute requirement to post items to the candidates page before updating ITN. - BanyanTree 23:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this is definitely notable and of international interest. This is not a unique event, and it's certainly not confined to Paris or France. Recent riots in Amsterdam were dubbed "Parijse toestanden" (Parisian situations), to give just one example. Aecis 22:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

• Typhoon Mitag leaves 17 dead in the Philippines as Tropical Depression Hagibis batters Southern Luzon.
  • ITN is not CNN - for relatively minor updates, use WP:ERRORS. --Howard the Duck 15:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
• "American football player Sean Taylor, free safety for the Washington Redskins, dies after a shooting in his home in Palmetto Bay, Florida." He was notable within his "field of expertise", and his death was unexpected and tragic. But there's also a hint of recentism to this. Is it ITN material or not? Aecis 12:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I support this. One of the biggest stars of America's most popular sport being murdered seems notable enough. Plus it is on the front page of BBC Sport. ---CWY2190 12:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Screw BBC Sport, it's on BBC News. However I'm concerned about the "notable within his field of expertise" criteria since he's not that well known (the Skins aren't playoff contenders during the past seasons except on 2005 when they made it to the playoffs barely and shocked TB in the Divisionals). --Howard the Duck 13:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

He's fairly well known. Most NFL fan fans would know who he is but he only played in the league for 4 years. just because his team airn't that good doesn't make his non-notable. Buc (talk) 19:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

After reading his articles, you're right, "most NFL fans" know him, while most American football may not. He barely made it to the Pro Bowl, now if it's LT, Favre or the two Mannings died spectacularly then that's ITN material. --Howard the Duck 03:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how this could pass the same criteria that Antonio Puerta's death failed on (see Misplaced Pages:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates/August 2007). Hammer Raccoon (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. For me, this is the most apt comparison to Taylor's death. If Puerta didn't make the cut, I don't see how Taylor should. Grant.alpaugh 11:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• I, personally, will not post this. Sean Taylor was notable within football, but he was far from the peak of his field. If Peyton Manning or LT or Favre died, then sure, but not a one-time Pro Bowl safety who nobody who doesn't follow football would have ever heard of before. Also, this hasn't been posted on Portal:Current events, but I wouldn't put it on ITN, anyway. -- Mike (Kicking222) 20:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Support posting posting, he was well known amongst NFL and NCF fans. His shooting was definitely unexpected and tragic. ~Sasha Callahan _(Talk) 21:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

And I don't think that if Lawrence Taylor died, that would be ITN-worthy. He's been retired for at least 15 years now. ~Sasha Callahan _(Talk) 21:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that Mike was making a reference to LaDainian Tomlinson rather that the the original LT. That said, this is very marginal because while Taylor was probably not very well know to the general non-American football fan. That said, he was notable to those who would've been interested in knowing about him, and was one of the better players in his posistion, so i suppose you might consider him an expert in playing free safety, and it is getting considerable coverage on non-sports news sites, so i'll support this. Thethinredline (talk) 22:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Plus he was well known for off the field actions. Steve Irwin was on the MP when he died (I think) and wouldn't say he's anymore notable. Support. Buc (talk) 22:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

While this is largely irrelevant, and has no bearing on the Sean Taylor nomination, i would argue that Steve Irwin was 'more' notable that Sean Taylor. I mean he had a TV show (which was probably seen in more countries than American football), starred in a movie about himself, appeared on a lot of talk shows and the Prime Minister of Australia even commented to the media about his untimely death. Sorry about this rather weird tangent i've gone off on Thethinredline (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No, that was a legit tangent. I'm a huge football fan, and I never liked Steve Irwin, but these people can't be compared. Taylor is someone who, until today, not a single person who didn't follow football was aware of, whereas Irwin was, undoubtedly, the single most notable person in his field (at least, right up there with the Goodall). I understand everyone's points, but I still personally don't think he is even close to the threshold for being placed on ITN, and I'm not going to do it. -- Mike (Kicking222) 23:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

A more appropriate comparison might be Bob Woolmer, whose unexpected death was featured. Although I get the impression that Taylor was somewhat less significant in his field than Woolmer. ReadingOldBoy (talk) 08:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

November 26

• Typhoon Mitag landfalls at the Philippine province of Isabela causing the deaths of 10 people as Typhoon Hagibis returns to the country via a weather phenomenon known as the Fujiwhara effect.

The current ITN item is outdated - the storm veered away from Bicol and instead hit the Northern Luzon. --Howard the Duck 23:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Updated and moved up in the column. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

• Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (pictured) returns from exile and files nomination papers for the upcoming general elections in Pakistan in the wake of the current national state of emergency. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 18:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

• A Mideast peace conference is to be held in Annapolis, Maryland on November 27, 2007.

Don't really know how to word it. Heres some sources --Richard (Talk - Contribs) 18:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

ITN doesn't cover events that have not happened, or at least already begun. To make sure that is covered, please return and post a suggestion once it has started. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It will begin today. I endorse adding: "United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert convene at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland." Aecis 12:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

November 25

• At last there appears to be two PD image of the Explorer! --Camptown (talk) 11:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

They aren't quite PD, but they are certainly Free. I can provide others if desired; it's mostly a matter of me sorting through several thousand photographs in order to find them. --Constantine (talk) 14:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, the images don't need to be PD. All free images (PD, GFDL, CC) are OK on the front page. --Camptown (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for suggesting the pics. Definitely something to think about when the incoming AussiePM's pic gets stale. --PFHLai (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Do any free images of the ship listing in the ice from the crash exist that we can use? • Lawrence Cohen 21:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Probably not, unfortunately. It might be possible to find some later, as there were likely a number of pictures taken from the other ships, but it will take a while for those to start appearing. --Constantine (talk) 02:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I should note that there are now two more pictures of the Explorer on Commons, but both are from two years ago. They are closer and thus may be more suitable for smaller sizes, however. --Constantine (talk) 05:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

There is now an image of the ship listing that has an explanation for why it is in the public domain, due to it being from the Chilean Air Force. I don't know the details of this argument, and there seems to be a slow debate in Commons in the template's talk page as to whether the claim is valid in general, but it possible that the picture would be acceptable. --Constantine (talk) 07:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice find! Where is the debate there? I didn't see anything linked here. If that is a fine image I'd say replace the Australian with that. • Lawrence Cohen 07:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Problems: (1) Need to verify that it came from the Chilean Air Force (a URL to the original source would do) (2) Doesn't really fit with rules at the top of Commons:Template talk:PD-Chile. --74.14.18.193 (talk) 16:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Typhoon Hagibis to re-enter Southern Luzon, Philippines in the onslought of Typhoon Mitag in Northern Luzon, Tuesday or Wednesday. ABS-CBN News

• Two typhoons to batter Northern and Southern Philippines simultaneously in the following days. ABS-CBN News

  See the format for suggestions above. This is not Portal:Current events. - BanyanTree 08:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• Already in the portal: President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili resigns his position to re-run for the early presidential election scheduled in January 2008, while Nino Burjanadze acts in his stead. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is a common and expected pre-election procedure. Saakashvili, if he wins, will get his job back. Is Nino Burjanadze the first female head of state in Georgia? I ain't sure if this temp job is significant enough. This is not a first time for her, anyway. --PFHLai (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure, I'm not Georgian and just think that new heads of state and government should go up on the ITN. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• Also: Nader al-Dahabi is appointed the new Prime Minister of Jordan after Marouf al-Bakhit's resignation. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Nader al-Dahabi cites no references. Please add citations. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

This is the same as the above. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

November 24

• Typhoon Mitag leaves the Bicol region with 6 deaths before traversing towards Aurora-Isabela Provinces Monday morning.
• Typhoon Mitag changes course, expected to make landfall in Aurora-Isabela Provinces in the Philippines tomorrow packing maximum sustained winds of 175 km/h - 210 kp/h moving at 11 km/h NW as opposed to the previous forecast of landfall in the province of Catanduanes. Aurora and Isabela provincial governments were ordered to take immediate evacuation of residents in low-lying areas. Meanwhile, several families who evacuated in the Albay Province are now allowed to go back to their homes but nevertheless, PAGASA in a press release mentions that there is still a possibility that the typhoon may once again change its course. (04:32 GMT)

Shouldn't this just fall under the currently posted article? Unless the course change or potential course change isn't hugely notable beforehand, probably not worth mentioning that aspect on the Main Page. • Lawrence Cohen 05:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I suggest to remove the ITN blurb about this for the meantime or change the blurb since the 200k evacuees returned already as the typhoon changed its course to bypass the Bicol Region and instead is currently heading into Aurora-Isabela border. --Howard the Duck 07:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

• The Australian Labor Party, led by Kevin Rudd, wins the Australian federal election, beating John Howard's coalition government in power since 1996. --Stephen 10:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering if someone already put this in. It's also pretty significant, since he's most likely to lose his seat (being one of only two outgoing PMs to have done so) and also due to the fact that he's been the second-longest serving PM in our history. Oh, and don't forget that we'll need some sources:

John Howard concedes election defeat (ninemsn)

John Howard concedes defeat (smh.com.au)

ætərnal ðrAعon 12:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Rest assured, federal elections in Australia are notable enough for ITN :) Aecis 12:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

BTW, it would be could if we have his picture in the news section too ætərnal ðrAعon 12:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted --Stephen 12:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please put one the images from Kevin Rudd in?

Thanks to whoever did put that pic. But just a heads-up, next to "More than 150 are killed by floodings in Papua New Guinea following Severe Tropical Cyclone Guba", the old "(pictured)" is still there. 122.99.82.107 (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

November 23

• All 154 passengers and crew members are rescued as their cruise liner sinks after having hit an iceberg near the South Shetland Islands in the Antartic Ocean. --Camptown (talk) 13:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thue | talk 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• The Philippine government has ordered the evacuation of 200,000 people from the Bicol Region as Typhoon Mitag approaches.

Big-time storm. --Howard the Duck 11:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thue | talk 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• Lebanon declares a state of emergency.

Source--Issue61 (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no updated Misplaced Pages article to point to (yet), so the story doesn't qualify. Thue | talk 23:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

November 22

• Pakistan is suspended from the Commonwealth of Nations after President Pervez Musharraf failed to lift the state of emergency in the country. --Djs91 (talk) 22:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

i support this; i was just gonna post it here but i see Djs91 has already. its pretty significant--Lendmevoice1 (talk) 01:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. The word "fail" implies an opinion as to the proper course of action, which I have attempted to avoid by choosing "refuse". Thanks, BanyanTree 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• Kind of late on the incoming, but Sanjaagiin Bayar is inaugurated the new Prime Minister of Mongolia. Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted, in chronological order, as it seems that its inclusion just balances out the template with TFA. Thanks, BanyanTree 05:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

And...I've been reverted by someone who thinks that overall balancing of the Main Page columns is not done by DYK. Sorry, BanyanTree 06:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

November 21

In France, rail workers and Paris Métro personnel go on strike in a wave of public-sector strikes against planned pension reforms. --Camptown (talk) 11:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

This item was posted some days ago, but removed for being questioned for being to stubby. Since then, the article has been somewhat updated and as it covers an intersting phase in the recently elected Sarkozy government, it seems to meet the ITN criteria. --Camptown (talk) 11:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Its definitely interesting, but what is the international scope or impact of this? • Lawrence Cohen 17:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

The very existence of this article is, IMHO, gross recentism. It is highly presumptuous to assume that this strike will have any greater significance than any number of previous industrial disputes in recent French history, and in times to come would probably be proportionately dealt with by one sentence in an article on French industrial relations. Does the existence of an ITN section precipitate articles of recentism? Kevin McE (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, ITN is an important thing, I think. But I don't think ITN feeds anything, really. As for this article, thats what I was getting at--work stoppages in France aren't a big deal. They happen all the time. If it was a major French airport in Paris it might be worth mentioning, if it caused travel in Europe to foul up, or something like that. This is on the scale of the bus drivers in Los Angeles stopping work or the London underground operators stopping. • Lawrence Cohen 17:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not just railway personnel that have gone on strike, teachers and some newspapers have gone on strike as well. But it's not just that: several TGV lines have been sabotaged, including IIRC the northern line to Brussels and the eastern line to Strasbourg and Germany. I think that's significant and international. Aecis 11:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• Flooding following Cyclone Guba kills 71 in southern Papua New Guinea. --150.203.36.136 (talk) 01:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

See 2007-08 Australian region cyclone season#Severe Tropical Cyclone Guba. --Howard the Duck 03:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Endorse, 71 deaths in a cyclone is notable. And it would replace a cyclone (Sidr) with a cyclone (Guba), which won't harm the content balance of ITN. Aecis 17:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Support as well for the Guba addition. • Lawrence Cohen 17:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted, with more than 150 deaths according to the article :( Aecis 12:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

As it is likely that more information will be available over the next week with the relief efforts, the section on Guba is becoming too big to handle like this. So now I have split the section to its own article, Cyclone Guba, to make it easier to organise and expand more information. Could the main link in the news template please be changed? RaNdOm26 (talk) 14:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Aecis 15:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The actual text uses the word 'floodings', which my spell-checker, at least, says does not exist. Use 'flooding' or 'floods', please. Radagast (talk) 21:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

November 20

• Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs "misplaces" records of people who claim child benefit in the United Kingdom, leaving up to 7.25 million households susceptible to identity theft.

Major event, and the actual tpart of the article with the information is in the HM Revenue and Customs article

Support, link to newly created article here: 2007 UK child benefit data misplacement. Yorkshiresky (talk) 23:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Support in some form. I added the suggested link to the formulation. But I think the item should be reformulated to mention identity theft. Thue | talk 23:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I added something in with a link to identity theft --Hadseys (talkcontribs) 00:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I've also re-worded it from families into households, because family tends to indicate parents and children etc, when this may not be the case, it could be foster parents, adoptive children, etc. --Hadseys (talk • contribs) 02:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted, thanks --Stephen 05:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

International relevance? Grant.alpaugh (talk) 08:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

• What international relevance does an explosion in the Ukraine have? --Hadseys (talk • contribs) 14:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not British, and I thought a problem of this size was interesting. I also was in my local news. So it probably has some intrenational interest. Thue | talk 11:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I would think a massive data security leak which affects millions of people has relevance for the way data is stored in other countries. If nothing else gives them a chance to laugh at us bungling Brits. 15:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, just asking the question. I realize that data security and identity theft are international issues, just asking if on the surface it wasn't simply a British problem and not much more. I just thought it a fair point to ask, and I agree with you about the Ukraine article, that is dubious at best. Grant.alpaugh (talk) 00:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• Students and civil servants join the November 2007 strikes in France, which has already crippled the transportation sector in France, including the Paris Metro.

I didn't find the strike notable before, but with more people joining I think they are. Random89 (talk) 18:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

See format for candidate suggestions above, in particular on links and emboldening. - BanyanTree 21:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry. I reworded it and wiki-linked it. Random89 (talk) 07:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Been off-wiki for a bit and just got back on this page. Sorry nobody responded sooner, but I have posted the most recent related suggestion above. Cheers, BanyanTree 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

November 19

• 65 miners are dead and 35 missing in a mine disaster caused by an underground methane explosion in Donestk in eastern Ukraine. --Camptown (talk) 14:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Endorse. Many casualties, unfortunately a recurring event, main news item in many countries. Aecis·(away) 15:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. • Lawrence Cohen 19:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 21:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

November 18

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change : Surprised no one mentioned this, suggest this as it's clearly global in nature:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change releases its fourth report on climate change indicating that Earth and humanity are now in permanent danger due to global warming.

Recommend this be added. • Lawrence Cohen 00:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I support the addition of this item.-gadfium 02:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Support. - Shudde 02:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

November 17

• One of the most disturbing news after the Emergency in Pakistan, is that Geo TV Network and ARY TV Network have been shut down. (All Things Pakistan) Syed Fayyaz Abbas (talk) 09:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Please suggest items in the format suggested above, as well as making the required updates. - BanyanTree 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Opposition leader Hashim Thaci's Democratic Party of Kosovo declares victory in the parliamentary election, promising to declare Kosovo's independence if mediation efforts fail. --Camptown (talk) 02:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Russia's deputy finance minister Sergei Storchak, one of Russia's top officials on international financial relations and head of the stabilization fund, is detained as part of a criminal investigation. --Camptown (talk) 18:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

November 15

Balibo Five

A New South Wales coroner concludes that a group of five journalists, known as the Balibo Five, were deliberately killed by Indonesian forces in 1975 in order to prevent them exposing Indonesia's 1975 invasion of East Timor. AAP via stuff.co.nz — Is of international importance because may mean war crime committed, Balibo Five included two Australians, two Britons and a New Zealander. - Shudde 03:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Note: I really do think this should be on the main page. It's a non-trivial and major event that is of international importance. Certainly compared to Barry Bonds anyhow. - Shudde 02:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I can support this being on ITN for at least a day or two before cyclying off. Its international in scope, enough. As for Barry Bonds, American baseball is very popular in more than just America (Japan, for example). Bonds is also arguably one of the Top 3 biggest names still in baseball, and for coverage in the past 2-3 years between the scandals and baseball records, scored as much of a quantity of coverage as Michael Jordan ever did in his heydey during the various years of the Chicago Bulls owning the NBA. Definitely noteworthy, on his entry. • Lawrence Cohen 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• Barry Bonds shouldn't be up there, but I'm not sure this should either. Is this really news anywhere besides Australia and maybe Indonesia? —dgies_c 06:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Well it's about security forces from one country killing several foreign reporters while they invade another. It's entirely international, and non-trivial. It's certainly more significant then yet another chapter in the Barry Bonds and drugs saga. - Shudde 09:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
    • I didn't say it's nontrivial, but just because it involves two countries is a pretty weak justification as "international". Can you show "front page" level coverage in, say Europe or the U.S.? —dgies_c 17:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
      • Have you read the article? It involves Indonesia and East Timor, and the journalists were from Australia, New Zealand and Britain. That's five not two. - Shudde 22:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Barry Bonds

• Baseball player Barry Bonds, the all-time Major League home run leader, is indicted on federal charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.

(Note to non-Americans: This is like David Beckham getting indicted.) -- Mwalcoff 00:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

• Added, top story everywhere This is a Secret 01:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm on the fence about this one. Bonds plus investigations into steroid use is nothing new. Perhaps this should go up when a verdict is delivered. Hammer Raccoon 01:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

By the way, not that I doubt the significance of Bonds, but "top story everywhere" is a bit misleading. As of now, its (unsurprisingly) nowhere to be seen on BBC News. Hammer Raccoon 01:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

BBC World News right next to the story on Bhutto. SashaCall 01:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Come on, what's next, Britney Spears arrested for drunk driving, Michael Jackson for child molestation and Hayden Panettiere for saving the dolphins? LOL. Also, an admin may have to look to WP:ERRORS there's an error which is not fixed for a like a day already. --Howard the Duck 02:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The indictments against Barry Bonds are related to the allegations of the use of anabolic steroids, so it's not completely irrelevant. Aecis 02:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

But there's no final decision yet, it's only an indictment, it's like spring training to put it on baseball terms (trial - regular season, sentencing - postseason), and in sports, we only post the final result. The Hayden Panettiere save the dolphins issue is more "international" than this, IMHO. --Howard the Duck 02:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

But one of the top stories in CNN, BBC, Fox News, etc This is a Secret 04:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

ITN is not Wikinews, CNN or the Beeb. --Howard the Duck 05:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be noted that the charges are in connection with the BALCo investigation. --Kitch 17:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I dont think this should be on ITN, if we cant have something as big and worldwide as the start of a major sporting world cup, we shouldnt have something like this in there. -- Cstubbies (talk) 18:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the blurb mention which country this is happening in? Anyway, just to sum up, it appears that the significance of this story is that somebody (who is very famous in one country) has been accused of committing a not particularly serious crime. I really can't see the importance of this. Bistromathic (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Um, federal charges of perjury and obstruction of justice are quite a serious matter. Bonds could theoretically go to prison for years. Anyway, to understand the significance of the Bonds matter, you have to understand the iconic nature of baseball in America and the career home run record in particular. This is not your everyday story of a celebrity getting in trouble with the law. The steroids saga has a particular resonance in American culture, just like the Black Sox Scandal in 1920. That said, I'm glad it's been placed under the story of the cyclone.-- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Cyclone Sidr

Over 1,000 fishermen are missing and mass evacuations are taking place in coastal regions of Bangladesh as Cyclone Sidr approaches with winds in excess of 130 kt. Yorkshiresky 20:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

• Support listing Cyclone Sidr but it will likely have effects far beyond just fishermen and I believe the wind speed should be given in kph. —dgies_c 22:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

  Cyclone Sidr makes landfall with wind speeds up to 240 kph in the Sunderbans of Bangladesh following massive evacuations.

  Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

  I propose it mention that the cyclone killed over 1000 people, and remove the evacuation notice. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

  Updated. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

November 14

• Nicaragua relegalized homosexuality.

This is of less clear ITN-worthiness and LGBT rights in Nicaragua doesn't offer any context on what happened between 1994 and 2007 to cause the change. Please post here again if the article is expanded. Thanks, BanyanTree 05:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Others went over it and added English-language news source. It would be really great if en.wikipedia.org spread the news of this positive example to the backwards countries. 212.23.126.20 (talk) 05:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• A magnitude 7,7 earthquake near the Chilean town of Antofagasta rocks northern Chile, causing widespread damage and power outages, and disrupting copper production. Two deaths have been confirmed, and at least 117 are injured. Andreas Willow 23:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted, with formatting changes. Thanks, BanyanTree 23:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's (pictured) liberal-conservative government has secured a third term in office following early elections to the Folketing. --Camptown 08:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 09:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

High speed one to be posted on ITN? Seems good, as its taken just over 10 years, and it is finally here! ACBestDog and Bone 21:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

November 13

• An explosion occurred at the Philippine House of Representatives building in Quezon City killing two persons, including a congressman.

Well, all explosions that kill someone gets posted so might as well suggest this. --Howard the Duck 14:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

If there are articles, that is. Nearly 400,000 Congolese forced from their homes in fighting directly related to the 1994 Rwandan Genocide this year alone and we've managed to get a decent update in time for ITN once. Enough of my soapboxing... Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 20:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

November 12

• The football competition in Italy has been suspended, as a result of riots following the death of a supporter. There is one relevant article, Gabriele Sandri‎. I have proposed a move to November 2007 Italian football violence on the article's talk page. Crowd violence earlier this year, 2007 Catania football violence, had also led to the suspension of the competition, and was also posted on ITN. Aecis 19:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Article is light, unmoved, and this may be recentism --Stephen 23:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Supporters of Hamas and Fatah have clashed on the Gaza Strip, during commemorations of Yasser Arafat's death three years ago. There doesn't appear to be an article about this though. Aecis 19:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Then we're missing a fundamental prerequisite for ITN. --Stephen 23:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

November 11

• Danilo Türk is slated to become the President of Slovenia in December after winning the elections in a landslide. Therequiembellishere 21:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I have written a more complete article about the election, so it should probably be bolded as the main link, and it would be nice if we can link to both candidates. I would suggest something like:

• Left-wing candidate Danilo Türk wins the presidential elections in Slovenia in a landslide. Former frontrunner, conservative Lojze Peterle concedes. Zocky | picture popups 00:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

November 10

• More than 10,000 people in Kuala Lumpur participate in an illegal peaceful rally against corruption in the electoral process in Malaysia. --PFHLai 15:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 01:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

November 9

• A children's toy is subject to a recall after being found to contain a chemical that metabolises into the date rape drug GHB, hospitalising several children. --Stephen 09:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Definitely interesting enough... is this product global or just mainly in Australia? • Lawrence Cohen 03:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Australia, North America, and other are catching up. One of the article refs states it's distributed to 40 countries, I think. The article was created as a result of the recall. The only catch is that it's Bindeez in Australia and Aqua Dots in the US, hence my referral to it as a "children's toy", rather than the proper name. Invites a click to find out more if nothing else! --Stephen 04:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Does not seem to have international impact for ITN, though its certainly interesting. Probably a good candidate for DYK though. Russeasby 03:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe two of the victims were in the US. And the toys were made in China. SashaCall 05:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe this has international impact: the toys were produced in China and sold in at least two continents (Australia and North America). Add to that a wave of recent recalls of Chinese products, like the pet food scare, for instance, which was posted on ITN. I support putting this up. Aecis 12:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted, now internationalism is confirmed --Stephen 23:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

November 7

• Space Shuttle Discovery lands in Florida, ending a 15-day mission to the International Space Station.-gadfium 19:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• This is a very complicated story, that has been brought up several times before. I don't know if it has reached the level of ITN now, and if so, what the wording should be. The 2007 Belgian government formation has come to a complete halt after a record 150 days. The Belgian Chamber Committee on the Interior has voted in favour of splitting the electoral arrondissement Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde, much to the dismay of French-speaking parties in Belgium. Two of those parties are involved in the cabinet formation, Humanist Democratic Centre and Reformist Movement. There are so many elements involved in this, and the repercussions are so unclear, that a blurb would probably be very wordy. I'll work on the involved articles, but even if this is not up for ITN at the moment, it is coming very close to it. That is why I'm bringing this to your attention. Aecis 19:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
• President Mikhail Saakashvili announces a state of emergency in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi. --Camptown 19:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Police clash with opposition demonstrators in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any info in the article about a state of emergency, though I admittedly used a quick text search, so will go with TheFEARgod's suggestion. Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 20:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

BBC article reporting on the state of emergency. I suggest ITN is updated to reflect this. Hammer Raccoon 15:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• One high school student is confirmed dead and six others are feared killed in a school shooting in Finland. Prolog 15:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• No comments but requests elsewhere, so I posted an updated version myself. Prolog 16:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

This article puts the death toll at eight. Hammer Raccoon 16:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Updated as I made that edit. Hammer Raccoon 16:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Queen Elizabeth II formally opens the new High Speed 1 and London's St Pancras terminus, the new home for Eurostar trains (pictured) linking London with Paris and Brussels. --Camptown 10:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Certainly, traffic starts November 14, replacing the Eurostar terminus at Waterloo station, but the inaugeration seems more notable than the actual shift in the time table. --Camptown 10:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 00:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

November 6

• Flooding in Mexico has displaced at least 200,000 people and at least 70 people are missing.

Suggested by Johntex\ 01:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Please format suggested ITN hooks for standard verb tense and with an emboldened item in the future. There is a crop of that image that would work I think - just above the guy's head to get the boat and flooded street - but I can't do it myself at the moment. Thanks for the suggestion, BanyanTree 07:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for posting this and thanks for the format tips. Johntex\ 14:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Mexico's a big place. Could we reword this to 'Flooding in the Mexican states of Tabasco and Chiapas...'? Aille 14:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, BanyanTree 20:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Is there any precedent for posting strike actions on ITN? I feel there should at least be a discussion on this particular one. Hammer Raccoon 20:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks like a good item to me. Johntex\ 01:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

See the talk page Nil Einne 05:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• The incumbent People's National Movement party retains power in the Trinidad and Tobago elections.

Its a small nation, but still a current event of international importance. This is my first ITN suggestion, feel free to reformat, I am no writer. Russeasby 15:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 07:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

November 5

• Álvaro Colom of the National Unity of Hope is elected President of Guatemala.

The results table at Template:Guatemalan presidential election, 2007 hasn't been fully updated though, and more importantly, doesn't seem to be consistent with . Aecis 12:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Seems updated now . Time to post it? --Camptown 14:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. Is there a free (PD) pic of Colom ? --PFHLai 15:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Commons:Image:Colom1.jpg (right). --199.71.174.100 20:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the pic. I've just posted a cropped version. --PFHLai 15:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

November 3

• Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf declares state of emergency following a rise in violence and political tensions. EconomicsGuy 13:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed. Not quite sure what part should be in bold. EconomicsGuy 13:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

November 2

• Dimeji Bankole is elected Speaker of the House of Representatives of Nigeria following the resignation of Patricia Etteh amid a corruption scandal.

Fourth highest position in the most populous country in Africa, and the Etteh story has basically paralyzed West African news for weeks. A lot of international observers paid more attention to this then they would the normal changing of a House of Representatives speaker because it was seen as indicative of whether the notoriously corrupt Nigerian political establishment had the will to boot one of its own. Some people say it could signal a major turning point towards a less corrupt National Assembly. So, I think its of international importance; certainly as important as the Alberto Gonzales story, which was featured. Will add it if there are no objections shortly. Picaroon (t) 01:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I oppose putting this up. The election of a Speaker is barely newsworthy, regardless of the circumstances, and the information about both the election of the new Speaker and the corruption case involving Etteh is minimal at best. Fourth highest position != highest position. Aecis 01:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What's the difference between this and Alberto Gonzales? Attorney General is far lower than fourth in the US, correct? Or do you just want me to write more in each of them? (This can be done.) Picaroon (t) 01:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

That means any controversy by the Captains Regent of San Marino has a chance, since after all, it's too far away from the U.S. --Howard the Duck 09:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What a shame this story appears not to have made it. Aille 03:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Posted. You may want to update Political corruption in Nigeria as well as suggest that as the bolded link. Thanks, BanyanTree 05:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

IMHO, if there African news that should be posted it should be controversy about Chad and Europeans who "kidnapped" children. It's not even at the BBC News website - Africa section now (dunno about the previous days). --Howard the Duck 14:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• ICANN celebrates Vint Cerf years, names Peter Dengate Thrush chairman, group on internationalized domain names forms.
  • Oppose, there's nothing really ITN-worthy about this. Aecis 22:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I too oppose. This isn't close to international significance. Blood Red Sandman 23:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
• Paul Tibbets, pilot of the Enola Gay, the first aircraft to drop an atomic bomb, dies at age 92.

International importance.

I disagree. What is notable about him happened 60+ years ago, his death is not notable. He was not a leading figure in his field of expertise, and his death was not unexpected, at age 92. He doesn't meet any of our criteria for recently deceased people. Aecis 01:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• Something about the floods in Mexico should probably be mentioned, but the relevant section at Tabasco#Flooding is sparse to say the least. Here's a Guardian article about it. Hammer Raccoon 21:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The Mexican flooding should definitely be featured in ITN; it's as relevant and as important as the California fires we featured for days. • Lawrence Cohen 21:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

This should definitely be included, but are these floodings part of Hurricane Noel or not? If so, they should be mentioned in one blurb. Aecis 22:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

From The Guardian article I quoted: "The flooding was not related to tropical storm Noel". Anyway how abut this for a blurb:

"More than a million people are affected by flooding in the Mexican state of Tabasco." Hammer Raccoon 03:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The reason I asked it is this BBC News article, which says: "The floods were triggered by storms that crippled Mexico's oil industry." Is there a Misplaced Pages article on those storms? I couldn't find anything on 2007 Atlantic hurricane season. BTW, the floodings have also affected the state of Chiapas. Aecis 13:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

November 1

• Probably a bit gossipy: "Martina Hingis announces her retirement from tennis after testing positive for cocaine during the 2007 Wimbledon Championships." Aecis 21:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
  • If it goes up it needs to state that she denies the drug use. --Stephen 01:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Silly POV question: is she still important enough internationally, today, to merit this? Deferring to tennis experts here. • Lawrence Cohen 04:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. Something like an multi-time Olympic gold medalist having to give away their medals is ITN worthy. A random athlete retiring from a sport isn't all that big. --Plasma Twa 2 07:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

If she does return all of her trophies and prize money (not gonna happen) then it'll be ITN worthy. --Howard the Duck 09:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The reason I brought this up for consideration is that it 1) involves a notable tennis player (winning 5 grand slam singles titles, 9 grand slam doubles titles, 38 WTA Tour singles titles and 29 WTA Tour doubles titles is no mean feat); 2) involves a notable topic (doping in sport); 3) involves a highly notable tournament (Wimbledon). Aecis 11:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps if Hingis had won Wimbledon... But she went out in the third round, and its not even as if cocaine is a performance-enhancing drug. Had this happened when Hingis was at her peak, then this would be sure-fire ITN material. As it is, she already retired once before, and she hasn't won a Grand Slam for eight years. Hammer Raccoon 15:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

If Hingis was U.S. American then we wouldn't even be discussing about this here... --Howard the Duck 16:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

American athletes being busted for various drugs isn't exactly earth-shattering news, anymore. Sometimes its even slow-news-day fodder. • Lawrence Cohen 22:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6992623.stm
2. http://www.sltrib.com/entertainment/ci_7688009