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| I believe these are reasonable positions, and while one may disagree with my arguments, I don't think it is appropriate to call me a troll.] (]) 04:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC) | I believe these are reasonable positions, and while one may disagree with my arguments, I don't think it is appropriate to call me a troll.] (]) 04:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::See the Bangladesh section on ], as well as reports from ] on this topic. Plus, I doubt that there is any overt or systemic Indophobia in Sri Lanka, given that the LTTE depends on Indian Tamils for funding, and the Buddhist fanatics in the Sinhala Regime view India as "the holy land of Buddha" or whatever. Certainly, it is obvious that there is anti-Tamil racism and genocide from the Sinhala Buddhists, and likewise anti-Buddhist sentiments from the Sinhala Tamils, but none of them are germane to this article, and can be mentioned on Sri Lanka civil war articles. On an anecdotal note, most of the Sri lankans I have personally met are pro-India in some way or form, given that both the warring tribes down there are trying to suck up to Indians for support. 11:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | ::See the Bangladesh section on ], as well as reports from ] on this topic. Plus, I doubt that there is any overt or systemic Indophobia in Sri Lanka, given that the LTTE depends on Indian Tamils for funding, and the Buddhist fanatics in the Sinhala Regime view India as "the holy land of Buddha" or whatever. Certainly, it is obvious that there is anti-Tamil racism and genocide from the Sinhala Buddhists, and likewise anti-Buddhist sentiments from the Sinhala Tamils, but none of them are germane to this article, and can be mentioned on Sri Lanka civil war articles. On an anecdotal note, most of the Sri lankans I have personally met are pro-India in some way or form, given that both the warring tribes down there are trying to suck up to Indians for support. 11:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | ||
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| As explained the following was deleted in the article by {{user|Hornplease}} but no reason was put on the talkpage. Why was it deleted, and how could it be improved.. | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indophobia&diff=157380525&oldid=156864610 | |||
| Trautmann (1997) argues that British Indophobia was constructed by ] and ]{{Fact|date=March 2007}} and its chief architects were ] and ]. | |||
| Claims of Indophobic Bias in South Asian Studies have often been made. Such real or perceived bias can imply old-fashioned and prejudiced outsider interpretations of Eastern cultures and peoples: | |||
| *Biased interpretation of Indian history. For example James Mill's History of India downplays Indian history.<ref>Mill 1858</ref> | |||
| *One-sided, unfair, exaggerated or exclusively negative presentation of some aspects of Hinduism or Indian culture. For example exaggerations or misrepresentations about Hindu theology, misrepresentations about the status of women in Hinduism, etc. | |||
| *Claims that the Indological scholarship of Indians themselves is not scientific or that it is motivated by political motives, i.e. by Marxist, nationalist, Hindu, Muslim, Dravidian separatist or other motives. | |||
| He advocated the creation of a middle Anglicised class that was "Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect".<ref>Macaulay, Thomas Babington, 1835:249, Minute on Indian education.</ref> This class of anglicized Indians would then in turn anglicize the Indian people. | |||
| His work "History of British India" (1817) may be the "single most important source of British Indophobia and hostility to Orientalism".<ref>Trautmann 1997:117</ref> | |||
| . American views of India, that have been quite negative, can be noted in the use of characterization like "Very Benighted Heathens", "the White Man's Burden" and the "Lesser Breed". <ref>http://www.jstor.org/view/00182745/ap020041/02a00040/6?</ref> | |||
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um, whoever who wrote that marx's writings were "prejudiced against the indians" obviously didn't read the article that they cited, as it is clearly, from start to finish, an argument illustrating marx's ultimate decision that british colonialism in india was counterproductive, and that india should be independent (he even calls those indians who call for independence legitimate "revolutionaries"). so i will delete that part. OR, whoever who wants it there should probably modify it with something like "the writings of early marx indicated a hesitant sympathy for british colonialism in india, citing its tendency to modernize a supposedly "backwards" nation; this viewpoint however would rapidly change as marx developed his ideas on the development of capital (for which he is best known today), and accordingly adopted a stance radically opposed to british colonialism, and in favor of indian independence." (obviously thats really long, but i thought i'd explain it since whoever who made the claim in the first place is a moron who needs to read the articles he cites). http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_v35/ai_3070234/pg_9 there's the article, btw.
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This article should be called anti india sentiment its absurd calling it indophobia there are many anti india sentiments in south asian nations do not edit and use weasel words such as saying indians are the victims of racism it happens for a reason.
Delete this page
This is tripe. The only connection between racism against American Indians and those from Asia is that the words are related in the English language. Why not have a Wiki article about all peoples who are discrimiated against containing the letter "E"?
No one questions that racism exists. This article, being biased and poorly written, makes an entirely different statement, which is that anti-racism can be even more ignorant than the racism it criticizes. It embodies, in effect, the hysteria it purports to be neutral about.
Please don't call me a troll.
I believe that it is reasonable to expect a citation for claims that Indophobia has increased in the United States, that many Bangladeshis consider India a regional bully or that India is turning its back on its creation, or that Hindus and Bangladeshis are being prosecuted (did you mean persecuted?) in Bangladesh and India respectively.
I also find it unlikely that there is no anti-Indian sentiment in Sri Lanka or Nepal, and I find the complete deletion of those sections rather odd.
I believe these are reasonable positions, and while one may disagree with my arguments, I don't think it is appropriate to call me a troll.71.174.94.146 (talk) 04:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- See the Bangladesh section on Persecution of Hindus, as well as reports from Amnesty International on this topic. Plus, I doubt that there is any overt or systemic Indophobia in Sri Lanka, given that the LTTE depends on Indian Tamils for funding, and the Buddhist fanatics in the Sinhala Regime view India as "the holy land of Buddha" or whatever. Certainly, it is obvious that there is anti-Tamil racism and genocide from the Sinhala Buddhists, and likewise anti-Buddhist sentiments from the Sinhala Tamils, but none of them are germane to this article, and can be mentioned on Sri Lanka civil war articles. On an anecdotal note, most of the Sri lankans I have personally met are pro-India in some way or form, given that both the warring tribes down there are trying to suck up to Indians for support. 11:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghanadar galpa (talk • contribs)
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As explained here the following was deleted in the article by Hornplease (talk · contribs) but no reason was put on the talkpage. Why was it deleted, and how could it be improved.. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Indophobia&diff=157380525&oldid=156864610 Trautmann (1997) argues that British Indophobia was constructed by Evangelicalism and Utilitarianism and its chief architects were Charles Grant and James Mill. Claims of Indophobic Bias in South Asian Studies have often been made. Such real or perceived bias can imply old-fashioned and prejudiced outsider interpretations of Eastern cultures and peoples:
- Biased interpretation of Indian history. For example James Mill's History of India downplays Indian history.
- One-sided, unfair, exaggerated or exclusively negative presentation of some aspects of Hinduism or Indian culture. For example exaggerations or misrepresentations about Hindu theology, misrepresentations about the status of women in Hinduism, etc.
- Claims that the Indological scholarship of Indians themselves is not scientific or that it is motivated by political motives, i.e. by Marxist, nationalist, Hindu, Muslim, Dravidian separatist or other motives.
He advocated the creation of a middle Anglicised class that was "Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect". This class of anglicized Indians would then in turn anglicize the Indian people. His work "History of British India" (1817) may be the "single most important source of British Indophobia and hostility to Orientalism". . American views of India, that have been quite negative, can be noted in the use of characterization like "Very Benighted Heathens", "the White Man's Burden" and the "Lesser Breed". </small
IMO, some of the deletions were unjustified. Librorum Prohibitorum (talk) 03:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
- Mill 1858
- Macaulay, Thomas Babington, 1835:249, Minute on Indian education.
- Trautmann 1997:117
- http://www.jstor.org/view/00182745/ap020041/02a00040/6?