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==Ongoing RPG notability/AfD situation== ==Ongoing RPG notability/AfD situation==
Hi, '''Zahakiel'''. Was wondering if you wouldn't mind reading my take on this situation around here of late, with all the AfD stuff going on in the RPG sector. My user page article is . Thanks in advance. ] (]) 21:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC) Hi, '''Zahakiel'''. Was wondering if you wouldn't mind reading my take on this situation around here of late, with all the AfD stuff going on in the RPG sector. My user page article is . Thanks in advance. ] (]) 21:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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Wikicookie

Sorry this comes nearly a week late. I was beginning to think nobody delved far enough to read that question. Thank you for responding. Durova 23:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I, Durova, award Zahakiel this Wikicookie for an obscure reason that he will probably recognize. Durova 23:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Your post on my talkpage

I've responded to you here —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maniwar (talkcontribs) 15:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

sorry, that's what I get for multitasking. I meant to sign it. --Maniwar (talk) 16:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Valthasar

Good call. I zapped it: articles have to have at least enough context so a person can expand upon it. This one didn't. -- -- Merope 20:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

1 Corinthians 13

Hi Zahakiel, thanks for all the great work you've done on this article. One thing that's been bothering me for some time now is that the whole text of the chapter is quoted at charity... does that seem right to you? Even worse, there are now separate articles for charity and Agape. Best wishes Mattmm 19:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I replied to your post on your talk page. Zahakiel 20:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply Zahakiel. I'm a bit out of my depth here, so I've just posted a comment on the Agape talk page - I'm hoping experts such as yourself will be able to steer this one. Best wishes Mattmm 11:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I have posted another reply on your talk page. Zahakiel 19:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Blue School

Hi - you said at an AfD on the Blue School: "I'd definitely alter my opinion if I saw anything else (in the article, or about-to-be-included in the article) that said why this particular school is notable." I have added some material - would you care to look again at The Blue School, Wells? Regards --Golden Wattle 00:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 02:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I do normally format refs but wasn't prepared to put in the effort for an article that may well be deleted. I do think though that 350 year old schools that were free are probably notable. I am glad you agree. Regards--Golden Wattle 03:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

My request for adminship has closed successfully (79/0/1), so it appears that I am now an administrator. Thanks very much for your vote of confidence. If there's anything I can ever do to help, please don't hesitate to let me know. IrishGuy 02:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply from dgies

Not sure if you have my talk page watchlisted... —dgiesc 17:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Crump

Sorry if I confused this article and you. I was doing some tests of multiple Deftab templates and this can not be done in user space. I chose this article by random, although I thought I was doing the test on the AfD page which is what Deftab is for. Unfortunately Deftab saves the page without the possibility of a preview. So I had to make three edits. An anon thought I was vandalising and removed the AfD notice. You rightly put it back. There must be, and probably is, a better way of doing this kind of test. --Bduke 08:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Zahakiel! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Betacommand 00:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Incubus (demon)

I just wanted to thank you for the hard work you've been doing on that article, particularly with adding references. You've really improved it! -Aleta 02:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello; thank you. I have also left you a brief note on your talk page. Zahakiel 17:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey I want to double that thanks from Aleta. I noticed it too. Great work! It's vastly improved. --Lendorien 20:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

WP Christianity

Hi, I saw your name on the WikiProject Christianity Membership page.

I've made some changes to the WP Christianity main project page, added several sup-project pages, created a few task forces section, and proposed several more possible changes so that we can really start making some serious progress on the project. Please stop by and see my comments on the project talk page here and consider joining a task force or helping out with improving and contributing to our sub-projects. Thanks for your time! Nswinton 14:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

AFD discussion

Hello, you participated in the AfD discussion for Lowercase i prefix. That discussion was closed with a "keep" decision but I felt there was enough consensus to warrant merging the information to Internet-related prefixes. I have placed a comment regarding my decision to go ahead and perform this merge on the talk page here and as you participated in the original discussion wished to alert you to this action and invite you to comment if you felt it was inappropriate. Thanks! Arkyan &#149; 06:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I have posted a reply on your talk page. Thanks. Zahakiel 13:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Let me drop you The Wise Old Owl Award for the deft answering on Jesus. --Brand спойт 14:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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Two comments

First, regarding the DRV, thanks but keep in mind that I'm not the one that needs to be convinced. Second, sig guidelines are in WP:SIG. JoshuaZ 04:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: the DRV, I know... I just don't like seeing violations of WP:AGF, especially not from experienced wikipedians. Second, thanks, I now see the new "truncate" rule enforced by the software. I've shortened the code for my signature. I actually think it looks better this way :) Zahakiel 05:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Archangel talkpage question

Posted from Talk:Archangel:

I was puzzled that you say that Jesus, in his pre-human existence was the non created Son of God. Have I misunderstood Colossians 1:14 which states in my Bible.. (American Standard) that Christ is "the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation"? And Revelation 3:14 where Jesus is spoken of as "the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God" And Proverbs 8: where my Bible says that Jesus as Wisdom personified was "brought forth" ?

I am off on holiday for a while tomorrow morning but I will check your reply when I return... Keep it as simple as you can... thanks.

David.

Reply - Another excellent question. A part of my reply to this stems from the fact that I am not, in the traditional sense, a Trinitarian. I do not believe that this paradigm sufficiently captures the fullness of the concept expressed by the Hebrew term Elohim, which is the word translated as "God" in English Bibles. I do believe that the Son "proceeded forth and came from" the Father, (John 8:24) but that this is a fundamentally different concept from the idea of being created ex nihilo, or from pre-existing material. For example, light was "created" out of nothingness, and Adam was "created" out of non-living matter. But Eve, on the other hand "came forth" from Adam, a living being, and yet is said to have been there "from the beginning." (Mark 10:6)
This is not a paradox; it reflects certain properties of the Godhead in that Man (as a creature, including both male and female) was formed in the "image" (Heb. tselem - likeness, resemblance) of God: "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them." (Gen 1:27) Note how loosely the language uses the pronouns - "him" and "them" interchangeably - and this is not an arbitrary selection of wording.
It is from this characteristic that we can say, without contradiction, that while the Son "came forth" from the Father, there was never a "time" when the Son was not. In other words, the Messiah's "goings forth have been from everlasting." (Mic 5:2) I know you wanted to keep this simple, so I will just give you a very small idea of how this may be envisioned. Our concept of time depends entirely upon the movement of matter through space. The hands of a clock, the vibration of crystals, the exchange of electrons through a conductor (including our brain matter that perceives the passage of time!)... but before the universe (including its spiritual components) was created, what would time mean? In fact, you must have time, space and matter simultaneously, for the three depend upon each other; basically, you can't have a what without a where and a when :) Just as Eve came forth from Adam as an "image" of Elohim, but was there from "the beginning," so the Son "came forth" from the Father, but was there from "the beginning," which other verses, such as Micah, set before anything was "created" in the sense of being generated from outside the direct Person of God.
Jesus is described as "the beginning of the creation," (your verse from Rev 3) but this wording does not mean He is limited to the creation. In fact, we are specifically told He is not: "All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:3) The phrase "beginning of the creation" does not mean that He was the first thing made. "Beginning" in this case (from the archae, which derives from our previously discussed word) generally means, "the person or thing that commences." A consistent translation would thus read actually read more along the lines of, "The Beginner of the creation." Here we have agreement with the many other verses that say precisely this.
Similarly, the phrase "firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15) does not mean He is one of the created set, for it says right below, "And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist (i.e., are sustained)." (verse 17) Christ is considered both the creative and sustaining Agency of the universe, and unless we resort to such terms as "self-created," we should probably stick to the Biblical expression "self-existing," which (not coincidentally) is the very name of God: YHWH, "I am that exists." Christ's words, even when He was incarnate, reflect a view that is outside the boundaries of time, saying, for example, "Before Abraham, I AM," (John 8:58) not "I was," and that, just by itself, means as long as YAHWEH, there was the Being who addressed His audience that day.
Finally Proverbs 8 is a parabolic reference to Christ. That is a very important factor, because it means that while we can (and should) extract many characteristics of His personality from the passage, not every detail applies. For example, "Wisdom" is repeatedly referred to as "She," while the actual Christ (in every manifestation) fulfills a distinctly male role. Again we read of Wisdom, "While as yet had not made the earth when prepared the heavens, I was there," while later passages tell us that the Person of Christ was the one who did these things. Even if we ignore the idea that "brought forth" does not mean "created," (for men and women do not create children, another word is used for another concept entirely) we are still left with a number of characteristics in Proverbs 8 that cannot be consistently applied to the Son; therefore this verse should not be used to support the idea that He was not "non-created." I hope I was able to clear this up without going into too much unnecessary detail. Feel free to follow this up. Zahakiel 15:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

NPOV terms in Israelite articles

Putting "some" is certainly a start. I'm not sure whether the individual tribe pages merit each having a separate section on Biblical criticism yet, since the issue is essentially the same for most of the tribes and a couple of sentences would cover it. I think that as long as the main article on the history of Ancient Israel and Judah has a section on the subject, and makes it clear that this position is not the majority view, then other pages could just feature a short note linking to that section. Robin S 20:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

In fact, a brief search has revealed that there is already such a section here on the "divided monarchy / weak Judah" theory and, as you are aware, the theory that the Israelites arose from within Canaanite society is mentioned in the Israelite article. Robin S 20:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll follow it up. The POV poster indicated on his talk page that he's not editing much these days, which might be a good thing... Zahakiel 20:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Keep me posted! Robin S 02:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
FDuffy has appeared online again, and commented on my talk page about the issue we were discussing previously. I have responded on his talk page. Just thought you might like to know. Robin S 21:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! You put that far better than I could have done. Robin S 16:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ben Hur Aldebaran

As you put it, the horse is named after the star. That is the extent of the connection; the horse is presumably not from Aldebaran or from the vicinity of Aldebaran! The Aldebaran in fiction page deals with instances where the star Aldebaran, or its imagined planetary system, appears in fiction, and this rule is consistently adhered to. I presume that "Aldebaran ticklers" are supposed to be an item from some location in the vicinity of the star Aldebaran, but you are probably right that the connection is too loose to warrant inclusion. As for "a planet in some star system", as long as that system is that of Aldebaran, the placement is appropriate. The Astronomical names in popular culture page exists precisely for instances where something is named after the star, but is not otherwise associated with the star.

I'd appreciate it if you'd take care of putting the ref in the correct article yourself. RandomCritic 15:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 15:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

And thanks for pointing out some of the less appropriate or relevant entries on the page; I've rearranged and moved some of them. RandomCritic 15:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Tribes of Israel

I've been on a bit of a Wikibreak for over a week due to some events IRL. I'll try and take a look at things over the weekend. Best, --Shirahadasha 16:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Demonology

Hi, a decision was made on the talk page of demonolatry, to merge it into demonology. It was broached on the demonolatry article and talk page for about 10 days. No-one objected so I was bold and went ahead. However I appreciate that the results are not very stylistically polished, so would appreciate you taking a look, as your philosophy is Mergism.:)Merkinsmum 22:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Thanks for the note. Zahakiel 23:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I added the D-word in more prominently just for you:)Merkinsmum 00:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Angel

I understand that sometimes scholar ideas have inconsistencies with Holy Books and religions beliefs but Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and scientific and academic ideas should be addressed here and the article should not be like a religious text book instead of a scholary article. What is written in the first paragraph is history of evolution of angelology in holly books and this is what scholars have consensus on it. --behmod talk 15:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 15:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

That's why it is clearly stated that according to secular scholars. This is my point, we should clearly state the ideas of scholars where religion point of view are fairly addressed here. We should at least state POV of both sides, scholars and religious people. I can bring you more reliable academic sources and add them, I respect all faiths but there is a consensus among scholars about what is written in the first paragraph.--behmod talk 16:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied here. Zahakiel 16:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

my side of the mountain

LOL :) Perry-mankster 09:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

about Israfel

thanks for your hardwork and your naming association addition, about my English choice of translation yes it does seem a little off regarding the association of the two angels but if you see the page on Raphael it is already translated to Israfel in Arabic (and it is not me who added that) so I took it as the most accepted and added it to the Arabic equivalent Habibko 03:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Closure of AfD for Historical persecution by Christians

Okay, maybe that was premature. My bad. Ten Pound Hammer16:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Kudos

You've cleaned up Raziel nicely, which is how I ran across your profile. I'm very impressed with your Profile, with respect to who you are: a programmer, Seventh Day Adventist from Belize presently living in Tampa and recently turned 30. I suspect you make overachievers feel like underachievers. Thanks so much for your efforts; you're appreciated. XSG 01:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ramiel

I simply removed the Judeo-Christian section and replaced it with Christian because as far as I know none of the many texts accepted by the Jews speaks of him if you can find a source in the Talmud, Zohar, Rashi's commentary or some other source accepted by Jews please tell me. --Java7837 21:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 21:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed with comment that you left--Java7837 21:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Another One

Ro7P is up for deletion as well, FYI. BOZ (talk) 18:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Yum, delicious cookie. :) Durova 18:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

ATA

The article looks much better, and the rationale should be sufficient (might also want to put in that the use of the logo does not interfere with the saleability of the ATA's products or anything like that.) David Fuchs 18:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Characters of Firefly

Recently you contibuted to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Derrial Book. There is now an ongoing discussion stemming from that AfD here if you wish to contribute. ]

Does the madness ever end?

Even Menzoberranzan is up for deletion now... BOZ 16:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Agur

Sez Zahakiel: Now, just about every commentary I've seen about that verse speaks about "Agur the prophet," so technically the list item can be sourced externally, but that would be redundant, not to mention unique among the other entries that are simply relying on the primary source material as indicated in the header section.

To which I reply: Would you care to cite some of said commentary? You may be right, and so am I when I ask to see some source. elpincha (talk) 18:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I have replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 18:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I stand corrected. Please see Agur per my last revision and see if it's OK now. elpincha (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yes :) Very good, and specific data. Thank you. I am also posting this on your talk page, in case you haven't checked back here. Zahakiel 17:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Your "cruft"-related AfD comments

I have to say, I was very impressed by your arguments at AfD, particularly WP:Articles_for_deletion/Bruenor_Battlehammer, etc. You've nicely articulated a lot of what I already thought, and I went ahead and appropriated some of your reasoning in WP:Articles_for_deletion/MechQuest. Unsuccessfully appropriated, I should say, as it seems I haven't quite got your touch yet. -_- Orphic (talk) 12:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church AFD

Hi Zahakiel, I have nominated Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church for deletion due to a lack of notability, and thought I'd let you know as a courtesy measure, since you appear to be a major contributor to it. This is not a personal attack. Here is its entry at Articles for deletion (AFD). Colin MacLaurin (talk) 17:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Pilotbob must be bored on Christmas vacation

Rod of Seven Parts is up for AFD again! BOZ (talk) 15:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Ongoing RPG notability/AfD situation

Hi, Zahakiel. Was wondering if you wouldn't mind reading my take on this situation around here of late, with all the AfD stuff going on in the RPG sector. My user page article is here. Thanks in advance. Compsword01 (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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