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Is all this stuff about his drug busts really worthy of inclusion?217.44.176.159 (talk) 21:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- It is an accurate recitation of the events in the life of a person who has been determined to be notable. bd2412 T 23:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- It's a selective listing of some events in his life. There are plenty of other events that could be listed (what he had for lunch, who his girlfriend is...), but aren't because they are nothing to with his notability. Presumably you're arguing his legal problems are connected to his notability. Care to expand on that?217.44.176.159 (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- Sure. Gore's legal issues have been reported in the nightly news, as evidenced by the citations in the article itself. Most people's aren't. On the other hand, I have seen no news reports regarding either his dietary habits or his love life. I imagine that if he were to get married, that would be reported (and would be added to the article). bd2412 T 21:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- It's a selective listing of some events in his life. There are plenty of other events that could be listed (what he had for lunch, who his girlfriend is...), but aren't because they are nothing to with his notability. Presumably you're arguing his legal problems are connected to his notability. Care to expand on that?217.44.176.159 (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- For more information on how this subject has been hashed out at some great length see talk archives. One point of view is pretty accurately reflected in BD2412's comment above. Another, not prevalent view (based on talk consensus), answers your question in the negative; that undue weight has been given these charges, an opinion which I held until the most recent marijuana/prius incident. After subject got stopped for going over 100mph in the Prius while smoking weed (a charge to which he pled guilty), I couldn't bring myself to argue on his behalf. IMHO, subject is now notable more for his brushes with the law than for his association with a celebrity father. Sad, but accurate. BusterD (talk) 00:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- If his notability stems from his legal problems and not from his father, then millions of ordinary people are just as notable. I don't see that keeping unnecessary detail out of a minor article equates to arguing on behalf of the subject of the aricle. It's more to do with keeping Misplaced Pages as an encyclopedia and not an omnipedia.217.44.176.159 (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- As I mentioned above, Gore's legal issues receive national news coverage. Millions of ordinary people do not get that sort of attention. bd2412 T 21:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- If his notability stems from his legal problems and not from his father, then millions of ordinary people are just as notable. I don't see that keeping unnecessary detail out of a minor article equates to arguing on behalf of the subject of the aricle. It's more to do with keeping Misplaced Pages as an encyclopedia and not an omnipedia.217.44.176.159 (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
deletion?
Why does this article belong in Misplaced Pages? I'm not sure I see the relevance. Counterfact (talk) 09:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- You want to mount an eighth AfD, go ahead. I think this article reflects badly on Misplaced Pages, but after agreeing with your position for a long time, I saw that consensus was against me, so I stopped squawking. I encourage you to examine talk archives to see how silly the conversation got. BusterD (talk) 11:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Why was this removed?
I put the following in, with a source, but it was removed. Why was it removed?
"Because Gore's father was an ex-Vice President, Gore was exempted from having to serve any jail time for his many crimes. "
Grundle2600 (talk) 01:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- You linked to an opinion piece. If that is indeed true, a stronger citation from a different source is needed. The-bus (talk) 01:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Oh. OK. Thanks. Grundle2600 (talk) 01:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- The cited source did not in any way support the statement added to the article. Robert K S (talk) 02:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed, the source says that "most nonviolent, low-level drug offenders in California" get rehab instead of a criminal record. I don't know whether Gore got jail time, but if he didn't, that would seem to be normal treatment based on the source. bd2412 T 03:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- The cited source did not in any way support the statement added to the article. Robert K S (talk) 02:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for explaining that to me. However, please keep in mind that that is Gore's second conviction for marijuana possession. Also, he was driving while stoned. Also, he was driving faster than 100 mph. Also, he had 5 prescription drugs, but did not have any prescriptions for any of them. It seems to me that he is getting special treatment. I won't put that in the article, but I still think Gore is getting special treatment. By the way, I'm a libertarian, and I think marijuana should be legal. Vice President Al Gore has always supported the "war on drugs," except when it comes to his own son. What a hypocrite. Grundle2600 (talk) 04:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- You have some evidence that the senior Gore has intervened in some way, or has said anything suggesting that his son should get any sort of special treatment? bd2412 T 06:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for explaining that to me. However, please keep in mind that that is Gore's second conviction for marijuana possession. Also, he was driving while stoned. Also, he was driving faster than 100 mph. Also, he had 5 prescription drugs, but did not have any prescriptions for any of them. It seems to me that he is getting special treatment. I won't put that in the article, but I still think Gore is getting special treatment. By the way, I'm a libertarian, and I think marijuana should be legal. Vice President Al Gore has always supported the "war on drugs," except when it comes to his own son. What a hypocrite. Grundle2600 (talk) 04:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages talk is for discussion about the article. This is not a message board for expressing opinions the article's subject. Stay on topic. Robert K S (talk) 06:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- I would argue (and have in the past, unsuccessfully) that this article continues to exist so this talk page can serve as a message board for expressing opinions on the article's subject. Grundle2600 has demonstrated the page's usefulness. Editors can disagree in good faith, and do. Based on page and talk history, this is the page where editors can smear the son of a celebrity using undue weight. Finding myself outside page consensus I stopped trying to argue the merits, but I will reiterate my assertion that this article as a coatrack does no honor to the mission of an online encyclopedia. BusterD (talk) 13:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- I would argue (and have in the past) that the national media attention that Al Gore III receives is de facto evidence of his notability, and that he is effectively the author of his own content on the page, through his actions. bd2412 T 17:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- I would argue (and have in the past, unsuccessfully) that this article continues to exist so this talk page can serve as a message board for expressing opinions on the article's subject. Grundle2600 has demonstrated the page's usefulness. Editors can disagree in good faith, and do. Based on page and talk history, this is the page where editors can smear the son of a celebrity using undue weight. Finding myself outside page consensus I stopped trying to argue the merits, but I will reiterate my assertion that this article as a coatrack does no honor to the mission of an online encyclopedia. BusterD (talk) 13:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages talk is for discussion about the article. This is not a message board for expressing opinions the article's subject. Stay on topic. Robert K S (talk) 06:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)