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Picture of the day The Kefermarkt altarpiece is a richly decorated wooden altarpiece in the Late Gothic style in the parish church of Kefermarkt in Upper Austria. Commissioned by the knight Christoph von Zelking, it was completed around 1497. Saints Peter, Wolfgang and Christopher are depicted in the central section. The wing panels depict scenes from the life of Mary, and the altarpiece also has an intricate superstructure and two side figures of Saints George and Florian. The identity of its maker, known by the notname Master of the Kefermarkt Altarpiece, is unknown, but at least two skilled sculptors appear to have created the main statuary. Throughout the centuries, it has been altered and lost its original paint and gilding; a major restoration was undertaken in the 19th century under the direction of Adalbert Stifter. The altarpiece has been described as "one of the greatest achievements in late-medieval sculpture in the German-speaking area". This image shows the upper-left wing panel of the Kefermarkt altarpiece, depicting the birth of Christ. Mary is portrayed kneeling in devotion in front of the infant Christ, who is placed before her on a fold of her dress. On the other side, Joseph is also kneeling in front of the child. Above Mary, on the roof of the building behind them, are two angels playing a mandolin and a lute. The annunciation to the shepherds can be seen in the background.Sculpture credit: Master of the Kefermarkt Altarpiece; photographed by Uoaei1 Archive – More featured pictures...

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During Gillingham F.C.'s 1984–85 season, they competed in the Football League Third Division, the third tier of the English football league system. It was the 53rd season in which Gillingham competed in the Football League, and the 35th since they were voted back into the league in 1950. Gillingham started the season with five wins in the first seven games and were challenging for a place in the top three of the league table, which would result in promotion to the Second Division. The team's performances then declined, and by November they were in mid-table. They won 12 out of 16 games to go back up to second place, before a poor run in March meant that they again dropped out of the promotion places. Gillingham finished the season fourth in the table, missing promotion by one place. They also competed in three knock-out competitions, winning no trophies, but won three times to reach the fourth round of the 1984–85 FA Cup before losing. The team played 56 competitive matches, and won 30. (Full article...)

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Living Memory LGBT History Timeline from Trans perspective

A possible resource. Transgender Aging Network has launched a project - Living Memory LGBT History Timeline to assist with aging LGBT folks "It is impossible to tell without asking someone precisely which public events shaped their lives, but knowing what was likely reported in newspapers and discussed at dinner parties during a person’s lifetime may help you understand how their worldview was shaped. To offer insight into the concerns, lifestyles, and belief sets of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people who are now 50 and older, the Transgender Aging Network has constructed the following timeline showing how old they would have been when there were critical events or changes in the lives of LGBT people." Starting with the 1920s the events list can be cross-referenced with current GLBT timelines and used as a possible stepping stone to aid Trans projects and awareness. The PDF version is here Html via Google is here

Feminists for Life potential material

http://www.aboutabortions.com/ quotes to be sourced and used for Feminists for Life article

Jane Roberts, the wife of John Roberts, was a volunteer member of Feminists for Life's board of directors from 1995 to 1999. She has provided legal assistance to the pro-life group and been recognized as a contributor who donated from $1,000 to $2,500. She has written for a newsletter for a pro-life group called 's newsletter, including an article about adoption. Roberts and her husband have adopted two children. Source: Richard A. Serrano, Los Angeles Times Jul 21, 2005

Recognizing that 20 percent of all abortions are performed on college students, Foster launched Feminists for Life's College Outreach Program to provide practical resources for pregnant and parenting students and keeps up a grueling schedule traveling to campuses, where she's remarkably successful in changing students' minds about abortion. Planned Parenthood called Feminists for Life's "Question Abortion" campaign "the newest and most challenging concept in anti-choice student organizing."

Foster sharply criticizes colleges for providing abortions but no other services for pregnant students. "What kind of a choice is that?" she asks. She challenges abortion supporters and pro-lifers to work together to provide real alternatives to women facing crisis pregnancies.

Patricia Heaton, who played Raymond's wife on the hit series Everybody Loves Raymond, is a Feminists for Life celebrity spokesman who loves Foster. She explains that "opponents think group is strong and powerful, because Serrin is strong and powerful. She's the embodiment of what we feel about women. To think that the only thing a woman can do with a child is abort is demeaning to women and undermines everything that the women's movement has been working on since the suffragettes."

Under the banner "Women Deserve Better," Heaton appears in one of Feminists for Life's print ad campaigns that reads: "Every 38 seconds in America a woman lays her body down, feeling forced to choose abortion out of a lack of practical resources and emotional support. Abortion is a reflection that society has failed women. There is a better way."

January 23, 2006, 8:42 a.m. Pro-Life Women Fight for Feminism Today’s feminists are far from yesterdays.

http://www.patriciaheatononline.com/pharticles2004/goodbyegirl_10.html January 2004

'It's Not About Me'

By Dan Ewald | Christian Reader Magazine

"She is brazen in her decision to be pro-life in an unabashedly pro-choice town. Patricia is the honorary chairperson of Feminists for Life, a non-religious group that attempts to bring feminism back to its original meaning, which, she says, was about making the world a place where women and children can feel safe and protected and become whom they are to the fullest extent. Since most of her peers connect pro-lifers to a brand of Christian extremism, Patricia appreciates Feminists for Life's method." In my community in Hollywood, FFL is a way to approach the question of feminism and pro-life thinking in a way that people can hear it and don't have a preconceived idea."

criticism Abortion Foes See Validation for New Tactic By ROBIN TONER Published: May 22, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/washington/22abortion.html?ex=1337486400&en=716417696026b473&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/20/BAGDSGQD1C1.DTL SAN FRANCISCO Abortion debate rivals refine their images On eve of rallies, opponents soften profile, while pro-choice side battles complacency

Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, January 20, 2006

Stereotyping Pro-Lifers Occasional by Nat Hentoff The Washington Post, May 16, 1992 http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:OANPtpvATewJ:www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/nvp/media/hentoff_stereotype.html+%22feminists+for+life%22+critics+-blog&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

Susan B. Anthony's Abortion Position Spurs Scuffle Run Date: 10/06/06 By Allison Stevens Washington Bureau Chief

Susan B. Anthony died 100 years ago, but her position on abortion--what she did and didn't write, say or believe--is causing a live-action political tussle among historians, journalists and political activists. http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=2915

Bray vs. Alexandria Women's Health Clinic. http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/bray.html

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V109/N17/prlife.17n.html Volume 109 >> Issue 17 : Tuesday, April 11, 1989

MIT Pro-Lifers rally on eve of march

By Prabhat Mehta

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2006/10/06/anthony/

Broadsheet Susan B. Anthony, against abortion?

http://www.talkinbroadway.com/rialto/past/2004/10_25_04.html Talkin' Broadway

An Interview with Margaret Colin by Beth Herstein

Silencing Lorraine Hansberry Bernadette Waterman Ward i. Jerome Beaty and J. Paul Hunter, The Norton Introduction to Literature, 7th ed. (New York and London: W.W. Norton & Company, 1998) p. 1832.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:TzTEbTVc0SEJ:www.uffl.org/vol10/ward10.pdf+%22feminists+for+life%22+critics+-blog&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=50&gl=us

subject to debate | posted August 11, 2005 (August 29, 2005 issue) Feminists for (Fetal) Life

Katha Pollitt http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050829/pollitt

LGBT Random Picture

Starting draft page

User:Benjiboi/LGBT image quest for current pile.

LGBT Random Picture for user pages

Use {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} or alternatively <center>{{Portal:LGBT/Pics}}</center> if you want it centered on userspace.Benjiboi

Transgeneration source

8 page interview Benjiboi 2 other interviews linked on same page. Benjiboi

Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence operation Spanner link

refs date of benefit event Benjiboi

Kellan

Kellan event in 2007Benjiboi

Build stub for Michael A. Gilbert per Transexual article edit request from 89.182.0.102

The term 'cross-dresser' is not exactly defined in the relevant literature. Michael A. Gilbert, professor at the Department of Philosophy, York University, Toronto, and an avowed cross-dresser himself, offers this definition Benjiboi

Start Crash Worship music stub

extensive discography, some YouTube as well. Use quotes and google. Benjiboi

Sisters controversy section ideas

...because Catholicism and American politics has a vast influence on American culture or history of (discrimination, ?,?) or even the more unique and universal appearance of dress the Sisters ...

Need to find refs of criticism from within LGBT community. Benjiboi

verbiage

James Martin, S.J. the U.S. entertainment industry is of "two minds" about the Catholic Church. He argues that,

On the one hand, film and television producers seem to find Catholicism irresistible. There are a number of reasons for this. First, more than any other Christian denomination, the Catholic Church is supremely visual, and therefore attractive to producers and directors concerned with the visual image. Vestments, monstrances, statues, crucifixes - to say nothing of the symbols of the sacraments - are all things that more "word oriented" Christian denominations have foregone. The Catholic Church, therefore, lends itself perfectly to the visual media of film and television. You can be sure that any movie about the Second Coming or Satan or demonic possession or, for that matter, any sort of irruption of the transcendent into everyday life, will choose the Catholic Church as its venue.Benjiboi

Trapped in the Closet (South Park)

No gay double entendres for Trapped in the Closet (South Park)? Research, write reffed paragraph and tag for LGBT. Benjiboi

Gaydar - format references

After formatting eyeball assessments for next steps.Benjiboi

done.

Find original articles and link to those for first four refs. Benjiboi

Diva's article

Formerly the Motherlode, the t-girl bar, int'l customers, strippers, Redbook may be a resource. Benjiboi

Redbook a dismal forum and gossip site, don't bother. Numerous sites bookmarked under wikiworld. Benjiboi

Start Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity

Bagemihl's book, research book reviews worldwide for criticisms, impact etc. Benjiboi

Image:Fruit machine.jpg

Move from commons to WP as not considered free content but fair use. Benjiboi

WP:RBI Revert, Block, Ignore

FYI, WP:RBI Revert, Block, Ignore Benjiboi

William A. Donohue

review mass deletions by Mamaljulo (sp?) and restore as appropriate if no one else has. Benjiboi

Media Matters refs all have sources listed, source originals as well. Benjiboi

Bored? general clean-up, formatting on Taurus (astrology) et al

Taurus (astrology) Alphabetize and add b-days to notables list. Benjiboi

GA Failed nom of I Am Your Gummy Bear

The article I Am Your Gummy Bear you nominated as a good article has failed , see Talk:I Am Your Gummy Bear for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a reassessment. Pbroks13 (talk)

the list

1. conform dates to WP:DATE.
2. fix citations per (Template:Cite web#common forms).
3. gold bears image needed?
4. "Appearance" section, is this needed?
5. Misplaced Pages:Lead, appropriate number of paragraphs and adequately summarize the article.

writing

The article is poorly written. Work on;

1. run-on sentences,
2. comma splices,
3. introductory phrase's (adverb clause),
4. quotations, ect. Benjiboi

WP:TC templates for clean-up

Hey they're right there. Benjiboi

WP:TT Template for user's talk page

It's all there. Benjiboi

Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays

Format refs Benjiboi

Global Language Monitor

Format refs. Benjiboi

Media portrayal of lesbianism

clean-up and DYK Benjiboi

Judy Garland as gay icon

scholar search, add refs asap and DYK. Benjiboi

List of News agency links

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange#News_agencies Benjiboi

Eric Dezenhall asap

clean-up and npov issues. Benjiboi 03:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Consider in other editor's hands Benjiboi 15:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

LPI Media rush notability

asap Benjiboi

Done. Benjiboi

Send to DYK. Benjiboi

Done Benjiboi 15:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Glory hole

• From the mid-to-late 20th century glory holes could be found in many public men's room in the United States including adults-only businesses, bus and train stations, office buildings, and several other public buildings like departments stores and park rest stops. Whereas women's bathrooms would be targeted for "peep" holes for spying, glory holes were much larger and therefore more obvious. When an institution (school, governmental or business) would replace bathroom stalls they often would upgrade to stainless steel to discourage creating holes as well as other forms of vandalism.
• once extremely common in public men's toilets

Find refs for above Benjiboi

I'm not so sure this article should have the LGBTProject tag since the very first sentence says, A glory hole is a hole in a wall, or other partition, often between public lavatory stalls or video booths for men or women to engage in sexual activity or observe the person in the next cubicle... ?? -- ALLSTARecho

You're kidding right? IMHO opinion, the only reason it says "or women" is homophobia. I've personally never even heard of women having or using glory holes but I've been wrong many times before. Glory holes, as far as I know, are a uniquely gay male artifice and were quite popular in adult bookstores and, as above, "bus and train stations, office buildings, and several other public buildings like departments stores and park rest stops". Many porn movies and erotic stories cover this aspect and entire movies are devoted to this activity. (See this for example.) Benjiboi

I agree with Benji on this. My understanding is that women on the other side of a glory hole is a heterosexual male fantasy, and just a fantasy. The article needs clarification on this, if refs can be found. I do remember reading that somewhere. — Becksguy (talk)

Of course, this could also be where a strait guy was told, so very much wanted to believe or otherwise thought it was a woman on the other side. As I think of it there was a scene in a Porky's movie using a glory hole in a shower and it was an older, less attractive woman. And then we get into the whole transgender arena where it was a guy and a girl depending on who's telling the story. Benjiboi

You and I know better but as long as the other sex is in the lede, the very first sentence even, it calls the tag into question. Just my thoughts on it. -- ALLSTARecho 08:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed "women" from the lead in the article as unreferenced. I checked out the provided citations, and none say women use glory holes, and one actually says they don't. You do have a point, Allstar. — Becksguy (talk) 09:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Becksguy, I can find you several sources which show women using gloryholes. It is a relevant recent phenomena, but it does occur. That doesn't mean that the LGBT tag shouldn't be on the article, though, to answer AllStar's question. It obviously falls under the scope of our project, even if some straight women also avail themselves of this wonderful invention. Jeffpw (talk) 09:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they do, but my understanding is that it's still overwhelmingly a male thing, especially in the public and semi-public venue such as men's rooms and porn booths. If you want to add it back, fine, but not as if they use it on par with men, as I think that's not justified. I removed it as unreferenced in the given inline citations. All the ghits seemed to be porn links. However, I would be interested in reading the citations, Jeff, if for no other reason than my own education. Unless they are porn videos. Thanks and Happy New Year. — Becksguy (talk) 10:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think I will be forced to concede the point. After spending a considerable amount of time (the things I do for Misplaced Pages!) researching gloryholes and women, the only links I could find were to porn sites with pics and videos on the subject. On an anecdotal level, I know that some women occasionally go there, but per WP:OR (and I shan't be detailing my knowledge of this subject!) and WP:UNDUE we can probably safely leave women out of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffpw (talk • contribs) 14:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

If we can find a source for the Porky's film should be enough. Don't give up, it's a big world and women can do most everything men can! Benjiboi 14:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

build RSVP Vacations

no rush Benjiboi

build HIV Plus

no rush. Benjiboi

build Gay prom

http://www.gayprom.org/ no rush Benjiboi

create bio Anne-christine D'Adesky

warning, major project

"Chicken and Bulls" Extortion Scam

See this. Seems worthy of an article but loads of research, possibly userfy and build. Benjiboi

in re: Bisexual erasure

While assuming nothing but good faith on the part of the editor who merged the articles, due to the history of as well as lively and vigorous discussion about this article, I have restored the article and substituted instead two merger discussion boxes, one on Bisexual erasure and one on Biphobia.

I look forward to discussing and working on this and other subjects with you in the future. Respectfully CyntWorkStuff (talk) 02:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

you beat me to it! had you not restored it I would have. There's no reason both articles can't peacefully co-exist. Let me know if anything needs immediate attention and I'll be happy to lend a hand. Benjiboi 13:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 31 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fingerboard (skateboard), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

thank you! I worked so hard on it I'm glad it was listed! Benjiboi 14:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

LPI Media on DYK

• ...that LPI Media is the largest publisher of gay and lesbian material in the United States with its magazines alone having more than 8.2 million copies distributed each year? Benjiboi

Posible rainbow flag addition

Research and add to rainbow flags? Benjiboi

Thumb sizes

Per MOS at Misplaced Pages:MOS#Images: Specifying the size of a thumbnail image is not necessary: without specifying a size, the width will be what readers have specified in their user preferences, with a default of 180px (which applies for the overwhelming majority of readers), and a maximum of 300px. However, the image subject or image properties may call for a specific image width to enhance the readability or layout of an article. That's why I did that. The images as they are throw the layout off into being all over the place. So, just FYI. -- ALLSTARecho 21:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

well I figured the article is going to be changed a bit more but with the galleries and pixels all those images are like the size of a penny. As each section grows removing the pixels should be less of an issue. p.s. I applaud your restraint from invoking "size queen" in this discussion! Benjiboi 00:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

lmao not invoking it shouldn't be confused with not thinking it. ;) -- ALLSTARecho 05:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha! Benjiboi 20:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK (Re:Judy Garland as gay icon)

On 2 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Judy Garland as gay icon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

woo hoo, thank you! Benjiboi 01:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Re your comments on my talk page yesterday - you're welcome. As it happens I've always wondered what made certain performers gay icons, and now I have a much better idea. It was a fun read :) Gatoclass (talk) 06:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's just a stsrt, it's hard to find great RS that show that gays love Judy because she was brilliantly tragic, resilient, was a glittery star despite her tortured childhood, was a druggy with a flaming demise and danced with the hottest guys in town. But we might find them yet. Meanwhile the article is off to a good start. Benjiboi 20:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

just encouragement

Benjiboi, yesterday I happened to notice your "lead" edit flicker in and out of the LGBT page and then looked at your user page, with its rather unfortunate "Break!" notice. I am, however, quite familiar with the effects that homophobia can have on a person . . . so I just wanted to send a brief note of encouragement. You need to figure out your own way to develop both a tough skin and a tender skin -- and to do it in your own time. I just wanted to send a message reminding you what you already must know: that there are people who understand. William P. Coleman (talk) 15:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I very much appreciate your message and would like to keep it as a reminder that there are others who do care. Part of the reason i have that message (still) on my page is that the second round of distress is, as of yet, unresolved and I seem to still find homophobia an ongoing issue. Many admins (and other experienced editors) seem to readily dismiss it as juvenile behavior but sadly mnay teens commit suicide and many LGBT of all ages are still routinely brutalized and murdered for nothing more than choosing to love someone other than the manistream norm. I work for a day when that is no longer the case; that neither such activities occur and homophobic vandalism is no longer tolerated. Benjiboi 20:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Having been where I have in the past, and particularly the past year on wiki, I can certainly appreciate where you're at. I've experienced some bizarre anti-TG behaviour here, and I'm still not entirely over the abuse from the (now indef blocked) user who almost chased me off wiki last year. I often struggle not to bite newbies over what I consider vandalism edits. I would like to see discriminatory vandalism of all varieties treated much more harshly than is the case right now. I consider WP:BLP as being an example of how strict wiki can be if it wants to be. If it helps, you're one of the very few editors whose main space edits I don't feel the need to review for possible reversion. :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol! I feel much the same for your edits although my spelling is so bad you may want to double-check anyway! Thank you so much for your kind words and feel free to shout out if you need support. I have low tolerance for b.s.! Benjiboi 04:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK (Re:LPI Media)

On 3 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article LPI Media, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Woo hoo! Thank you! Benjiboi 20:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Rosie O'Donnell

Develop lede. non-rush Benjiboi

Tillie K. Fowler

I notice that you recently tagged the Tillie K. Fowler article for lack of in-line citations. Part of the reason for the lack of in-line citations is the apparent disappearance of User:DaveWGilliland, who was a major contributor to the article prior to his last edit in January, 2007. I have recently discussed this situation with another major contributor to the article, User:Jeffpw. --TommyBoy (talk) 02:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I've been doing a lot of bios lately and tagged it so any potential editors would see that it does have references their just listed as sources and not inline citations. It certainly looks OK to me just needs general clean-up and adding in-line citations. If the tag is problematic feel free to move it to the talk page. Benjiboi 16:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of DJ Pusspuss

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• Me thinks you got stalked in regards to this article... -- ALLSTARecho 16:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

By who, and oh well, it was on my list to be cleaned-up anyway! Everytime someone's targeted one of my articles I always double up adding refs to it anyway! Benjiboi 17:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

By its AfD nominator, the same person that started this: Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Flavio Alves. -- ALLSTARecho 17:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for pointing it out, they are bordering on harassment of me I'm afraid. Maybe it's a huge coincidence but confrontational editing doesn't seem to jive with consensus building. Benjiboi 20:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Britney

OMG...just...OMG! Jeffpw (talk) 13:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

High as a kite! And in pic 10, I noticed they got leg restraints on her! lmao She was in another world! -- ALLSTARecho 15:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, she did need to be restrained after she got aggressive with the paramedics. 72 hour psych hold at Cedars-Sinai. All too horrible for words. That anyone could laugh at this tragedy is beyond me. How you reacted to 9/11 is anybody's guess, AllStar :-S Jeffpw (talk) 15:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Let's just wait on Chris Crocker's memo on how tragic her flip-out really is. I'm not so sure it's anything different than any other flip-out. As for 9/11, in the words of Afroman, that illustrious rapper from Mississippi, "then I got high"... -- ALLSTARecho 16:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I shouldn't repeat this, but I read somebody quoted as saying of that day, "Christ! I heard 'It's raining Men" on the radio, but I didn't realize it was the actual weather report!" Jeffpw (talk) 16:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

~speechless~ -- ALLSTARecho 16:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I'm reserving judgment on a lot of it. Didn't we learn from Michael Jackson and so many other young young children that it's a bit unhealthy to make them into stars before they hit puberty? I mean are we really surprised when they act outside the societal box when they never seemed to have a normal life to begin with? And I also won't take TMZ's word on anything but the barest of details, It was her, she was in an ambulance, she was upset. I can only imagine what pretense the paramedics were called in on and how they behaved. And why would Britney be upset if absolutely every shred of her most personal and embarrassing moments were photographed and resold internationally? Hopefully she'll be fine and turn it all around. In this case I have to agree with Crocker that we don't really want to kill off another Anna Nicole. Benjiboi 17:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't agree with you more, Benjiboi. I am one of Britney's biggest fans. I don't know about you, but I said a hallelujah when I saw that she was covered up in the video and her nether regions were not exposed. That said, they are now saying it is a psychotic breakdown. And that's not from TMZ, that's straight from People.com. Sigh. Poor Britney. Those poor kids. And yes, the article here is updated with all the sourced facts. Glad somebody wasn't too shocked to chronicle this latest scandal. Jeffpw (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Well in a cynical mode one could be excused for car-wreck voyeurism. Unless she's a brilliant media whore my hunch is she is going through a very rough patch of growing older without growing mature. Most do this in private without their every misstep chronicled. I can't say I'm a fan of hers although I do like a lot of her latest album and some of the remixes of her old stuff hold up well. Like Madonna I think she's a video star and performance trouper. Those talents haven't translated into all areas of her work and maybe, just maybe, she's completely fried being yet another blond pop star constantly compared to others who are each more talented in one respect or another. And evn Paris seems more stable and grounded and isn't that saying a lot! Benjiboi 20:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez's Acceptable Homophobia

Why are the following remarks by Matt NOT outrageous and bigotted enough to have him banned? Or is it only worth the effort if he makes personal attacks against individuals?

"Faggot is very important as it's a symbol of how desperate the proponents of the gay agenda have become and how homosexuals typically use identity politics as a justification for pretty much anything. No part of smearing me made sense except in the venereal diseased mind of radicals on a self-righteous jihad." Matt Sanchez (talk) 09:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC "...although gay culture, entertainment and pass-time is by definition pornographic." Matt Sanchez (talk) 10:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to continually attack both friendly and non-friendly, gay and atraight editors who attempt to tell Matt's story accurately as 'smearing him' due to 'venereal-diseased mind of radicals on a self-righteous jihad' as long as he doesn't ridicule individual's user names with childish homophobia-based modifications? Would it be OK to to speak of black culture as "by definition low class" for example as long as no editor is directly called "ni__er"?

Originally considered becoming an editor on Misplaced Pages months ago, but decided not to "wrestle with pigs" as the old saying goes....you seem to stress out about the nasty atmosphere on Misplaced Pages as well, why continue, without demanding civility from those like Matt? Didn't you participate in his useless RfC ? (Seriously interested in your thoughts, please answer here OK, since I'm not a 'real' editor.)

I don't edit for the homophobes I do it for the kids who are different and those who can be their allies to keep them alive long enough for them to escape from life-threatening situations. Sadly it's all too serious, kids are attacked every day and if I can help make a difference then I feel it's worth it. To me the Sanchez article is textbook internalized homophobia. And if American culture was at the point where being gay and bisexual and transgender and intersex is just another aspect of who you are and not some culturally politicized issue to be voted on by the majority. The day when it doesn't matter who you love but that you love comes is when things are headed in the right direction. Benjiboi 15:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. 'You're a better man than I Benjiboi.' I couldn't agree with your sentiments and cause more, but don't have the stomach for it....I might do serious harm to myself or others if I was a front line warrior....intolerance makes me completely intolerant...hatred makes me hateful. Perhaps I need a new hobby than lurking here at Misplaced Pages. My apologies for 'getting in your face' -- noticed you had just changed your stance on his RfC, and, as stated, you're doing more for the cause here on Misplaced Pages than I....Best of Luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.174.251 (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

You said he has an open RfC? Got a link? -- ALLSTARecho 15:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Try Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Bluemarine. Benjiboi 15:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Bluemarine.2FUser:Mattsanchez_again -- ALLSTARecho 16:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI: He's been blocked indefinitely per Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Recommending_indefinite_ban. -- ALLSTARecho 17:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

FFYI: "Once a Marine, always a Marine - unless you are gay." <--that userbox.. I made the change to the userbox myself and it wasn't related to Matt. The "unless you are gay" part I put in the userbox and linked it to don't ask, don't tell. I figured since the template was in WP main space and not in userspace, it was freely open to editing. However, having since noticed it's only being used by one user now, I have sent it to TfD. -- ALLSTARecho 01:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

1. Swartz, Jacqueline (1999) "Professor in drag" in Ivory Tower from Salon.com. Retrieved on 2007-10-09.