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Happy New Year to you too!

Thanks for the kind thoughts. Its ok if we do not always agree, but we do not have to be disagreeable! I hope I am not. --Blue Tie (talk) 10:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

have a look

Hi Jehochman, could you have a look at this. I'm being accused of personally attacking User:Blackworm. I am disengaging awaiting a review of my actions - would you mind taking a look--Cailil 16:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

This has been brought to ANI. I have mentioned your overview of my actions there--Cailil 14:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you take a look at the section immediately below this one? Jehochman 14:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually the above is here at WP:AN. I'm having a look at the below now--Cailil 14:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Since this is the original issue being rehashed by Blackworm, could you have a look at his post to my user-space here - if you would prefer I could ask a different sysop to overview (again), in case you are over worked or wish to recuse yourself--Cailil 18:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I will be out, so you may with to ask another if you need fast response. Jehochman 19:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I contacted Guy about it. He's busy so he may not be able to deal with it either, but it's not that urgent, it can wait till tomorrow or later--Cailil 23:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Explanation for human behavior is the primary distinction between feminism and sociobiology. Feminists subscribe to social constructionism, the belief that culture is the only influence upon human action. There is no feminist, that I know of, who objects to this belief. Sociobiologists, meanwhile, believe that biology influences behavior. These are foundational tenets of their belief systems, their adherents are the most strongly opinionated, and this diametric conflict is responsible for most of the edit wars on the Rape page. MannaOfTheMessiah (talk) 12:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Without reliable sources, these edits look like you are pushing your personal opinions onto Misplaced Pages. Jehochman 12:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The pages Rape and Sociobiological theories of rape are proof that the statement is objective, germane, and neutral. I am not adding anything to Misplaced Pages that is not already there. If you still believe otherwise, please elaborate. MannaOfTheMessiah (talk) 15:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

While it is true that many feminists do subscribe to social constructivist ideas, you are making a huge generalization MannaOfTheMessiah. There are a number of strands of feminism that deny this some ecofeminist and mother earth/earth goddess types believe in an essentialist idea of femininity. Even the postcolonial-feminist theorist, Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak coined the term Strategic essentialism and has some beliefs in it. So in short MannaOfTheMessiah be more specific. If a feminist or socilologist holds a position name them - attribute the claim and reference it. Also as Jehochman points out you will need sources to add this material to WP and citing the wikipdia articles Rape and Sociobiological theories of rape wont be good enough unfortunately--Cailil 14:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Copying comments to RfC talk page

May I have your permission to copy the commments on my talk page to Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Adam Cuerden#Community input on the findings of fact? I would make clear where they came from, and invite further discussion. Carcharoth (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I posted there because I did not want to extend any criticisms of your actions to other venues. I did post an explanation. Let me know if that is sufficient, but in principle anything I say on the record can be copied anywhere without limitation. Thank you for asking. Also, do you think we should ask somebody like Lar to clerk this RfC to help keep things in order? Jehochman 16:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Let's leave it a bit longer. Maybe drop him a note now if you are worried. By the way, have you seen this? I was very pleased to see the contributions resume, but now I'm worried you might want to revisit some of the issues and resolve them (which is entirely up to you, of course). I vaguely remember an "enough already" comment you made in an edit summary, so maybe not? Carcharoth (talk) 16:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

We exchanged emails and enough already is the right way to look at this. That he has returned cheers me up. Jehochman 17:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Varroa Destructor

This article is one I watch.

I would reverse this but given our recent interchange, I would expect you to consider it a sort of aggressive attack. So instead I will bring it to your attention.

I do not consider this removal to be a good thing. It did not look like advertising to me and it might be helpful to beekeepers doing research on how to affect this parasite. --Blue Tie (talk) 07:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I did look for references to this, and did not find any online. If you can find a reference, feel free to re-add the material but without the external link. Otherwise, this material appears to violate WP:EL and possibly WP:COI. It sticks out and looks like it was placed there to promote. Usefulness is not a criteria for inclusion; verifiability is. I've spent considerable time working at WP:COIN where I've seen a lot of cases like this one. Regards, Jehochman 12:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I also do not like advertising on wikipedia in any form. --Blue Tie (talk) 23:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Mattisse's "evidence" at ArbCom Zeraeph et al

Hi. I would just like to say that the strong language (no, not swearing this time - passionate but still civil) that I used in my response to your comment is not directed at you but "the gallery". I want to be able to defend my reputation, and striking through will allow the accusations to be still seen. I'm late to bed as it is, so my considered reply to Mattisse will have to wait a little while. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

How is it going

Have a look why? thx Igor Berger (talk) 02:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Your comments

Thanks for taking the time to give me some advice. I'll definitely follow it, if there is no objection to it. I'd also like to say sorry for declining the coaching so early after the last RFA, I ultimately ended being coached by Rlevse, but I appreciated your thought nevertheless. Best regards, Rudget. 16:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

You made a good choice with Rlevse. I've been quite busy, and I may not be the best coach because I tend to walk into minefield-type situations. Jehochman 16:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Waterboarding

Blue Tie asked, "Do you really think you are helping matters with that approach? Think about it."

You relied, "Yes."

I reply, "No, you're not. You're taking sides, and backing it up with threats to use your administrative powers against the 'other side' while ignoring the same conduct by 'your side.' That's what Blue Tie is complaining about and he has a very valid point."

Please think about how oppressive this conduct is and, just as important, how it is perceived by people who disagree with your interpretations. Thanks. 209.221.240.193 (talk) 16:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I have already explained that I am acting as an ordinary editor. My observation that editors who turn an article into a battleground will be blocked is perfectly accurate. I am hopeful that editors will maintain decorum, and that no blocks will be necessary. Multiple administrators are lurking at the page, and blocks will be issued, but not by me, to any editor who disrupts the project. Jehochman 16:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Editorhwaller

I appreciate your help in the McGill University matter, and with trying to keep Editorhwaller from further disrupting wikipedia. Thanks for your attention in the matter. Snowfire51 (talk) 20:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I am sending, he's not receiving, yet. Hopefully he will reconsider and decide to take a more collegial approach. Jehochman 20:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I posted this on Snowfire talk page. I wanted to make sure you saw it:

• "Let me just chime in here, as a third party, to say that Snowfire has been more than patient throughout this long drawn out affair. I should also call your attention to some rather bizarre comments made by Editorhwaller on my talk page a while ago, which would appear to put him in violation of some mixture of WP:POINT and WP:TROLL, to name but two. He claims to be part of a group of social pyschologists conducting experiments on Wikpedians, comments that call into question his sincerity and/or sanity." See. Thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you for pointing out that diff. I very much do not believe this story about an experiment. This looks very much like trolling, but even if he is really conducting an experiment, stressing people on purpose to gather data is a completely unacceptable use of an account. Either way the account should be blocked, so I have done that. Jehochman 22:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you again for your patience and help in this matter. I hope now we can all go back to working together for the good of wikipedia, and the grand experiment is over. I appreciate you checking out the evidence, and having my back. Thanks! Snowfire51 (talk) 22:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh, he's back, with a new sock puppet and still harping about Oxford, for some strange reason. See: User:Casta321. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

And now there seems to be a second sock or meat. I think you may have to semi-protect the Talk pages for McGill, Snowfire and me. Thanks. I see you seem to be on top of this. Many thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Harvard project, Waterboarding, and a meatpuppetry

Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Shamulou

This entire mess just went from annoying and dumb to surreal. Read:

I really would like to see a very ride review of this via AN or ANI. Lawrence Cohen 22:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

If you want to post this to AN or ANI please do so, otherwise I will, and I would prefer not to, as I'm a touch steamed right now. From that page:

* "# Should we weigh in on whether Misplaced Pages should keep the statement "waterboarding is a form of torture"? If so, what is our position? Khoffman 19:53, 7 January 2008 (EST)"

Given that they 'orally' decided to take up the waterboarding page, I smell major meatpuppetry and an answer in part to why this page has been a disruptive fiasco. Lawrence Cohen 22:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Take it to ANI, please. This is an incident. Jehochman 22:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I will, then I'm taking a break. Lawrence Cohen 22:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Jehochman 22:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha, nice one. I was always partial to the MIT hacks. Lawrence Cohen 01:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Yale sucks..:)

Some mutual friends Wonder if you know? Igor Berger (talk) 02:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:Waterboarding

Anyway, so that was unexpected. El_C 03:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Wacky wiki wonderland! It's all good. I've resumed contact with an old college friend. Unfortunately, he's gone over to the dark side (Harvard). Jehochman 03:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Must have been abducted by Darth Vader Igor Berger (talk) 04:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen this? Jehochman 04:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom exam cliff notes?Igor Berger (talk) 05:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutral Good on ANI

FYI. Lawrence Cohen 04:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Waterboarding

Please see the above link as I have requested arbitration for a dispute that you are involved in. Feel free to contribute there. Regards, henrik•talk 11:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)