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Highways 2

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Highways 2: Does this violate the temporary injunction? --Rschen7754 (T C) 02:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

It just looks to me like the editor created subpages for the project for things like participants. I don't see how this is a change in scope or approach; please explain further if you think so. Dmcdevit·t 03:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

No, the page move - is that a scope change? --Rschen7754 (T C) 03:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Here is the page move. In the first Highways case, the issue was a dispute over preferred terminology between "Roads" and "Highways." Is that also an issue in the current case? If so, then the move should be reverted. If you can point to a section of the evidence page or parties' statements showing that terminology is once again part of the dispute, that would help. If no other admin picks up on this, I will come back to it tonight. Thatcher 13:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeesh that's a lot of moves. The moves definitely expands the scope of the Pennsylvania Wikiproject, (as does this series of edits, as "roads" is a larger set that includes "State highways" as a subset. If you want to get technical about the language, the injunction prohibits change the scope of USRD or of adding disputed cases to USRD or its subprojects, but does not prohibit changing the scope of the subprojects. This seems nonsensical to me. If there is a dispute about whether a certain stretch of pavement should be included in a "Highways" project, surely renaming the project to "Roads" completely changing the playing field of the dispute. On the other hand, no one else has edited the PASH in almost 3 months, so there is hardly an active dispute about the scope of the PA project. Does this intersect in some way with USRD so that the moves have a more significant impact than it appears? Thatcher 04:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Including articles in a subproject also includes them into USRD's assessment categories, as articles are tagged for a subproject by using the USRD template with a state parameter. —Scott5114↗ 02:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Highways 2 - again

violated the injunction. --NE2 05:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Reverted and notified. Thatcher 13:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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Andranikpasha

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There is no need for further discussion. Moreschi is correct, but I would still ask Andranikpasha to try being mindful of these things. Grandmaster extending an informal (i.e. outside this board) reminder and a chance to self-revert is, also, recommended. El_C 17:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Andranikpasha (talk · contribs) has been placed on revert parole in accordance with the ruling of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2, please see: , which limits him to 1 rv per article per week. However on Khojaly massacre he made 2 rvs today, first by adding the POV tag: , which is a revert to his previous attempt to attach undiscussed tags: and then reverting once again: This is violation of his parole. Grandmaster (talk) 16:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Technically a violation, yes, but I really doubt Andranikpasha could have realised the first edit was technically a revert. So, no block. Moreschi 16:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Considering that he tried to attach tags to the article many times, such as here: , I have a reason to assume that he was aware of consequences. Grandmaster (talk) 16:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Back in September, Grandmaster! It's a bit much to expect people to remember their edits that far back. Moreschi 16:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for reviewing. Grandmaster (talk) 16:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sarah777

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As noted below, Sarah is "banned from editing or participating at British Isles, Talk:British Isles, or any of its subpages for 7 days." El_C 17:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Great Irish Famine#Sarah777 restricted says "Sarah777 may be banned from editing any page which she disrupts by engaging in aggressive biased editing or by making anti-British remarks." Unfortunately, I think she's crossed that line again at Talk:British Isles/name debate#Time to change the name?, particularly with this edit. (In fact, as you'll see from the page history, she added those comments in a series of edits over 15 minutes, indicating that this wasn't a flash-in-the-pan show of emotion but a thought-out personal attack). While Sarah's a great editor when it comes to the non controversial issues, she seems to have great difficulty in discussing matters calmly with anyone whose opinion differs from hers. We could really do without that kind of behaviour on Misplaced Pages. Waggers (talk) 08:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sarah777 has been banned from editing or participating at British Isles, Talk:British Isles, or any of its subpages for 7 days. Notice here; logged here. Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 13:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I want to object to this. While I'm no fan of Sarah777's, a comment such as "The British Isles ceased to exist when Ireland won Independence" is certainly not anti-British. As I described below Sarah's comment, this assertion is supported by both British, Irish and international literature on the subject. It is a perfectly valid view, supported by published sources - and certainly not anti-British. Oddly, Wagger's agrees with this. (See here for both my comments and Waggers'.)

The real issue, I believe, is this dispute between Waggers and Sarah777. That dispute might be hot headed, on both sides, but again I don't see where Sarah777 expresses any anti-British remarks. Anti-British remarks of the kind covered by the ArbCom were things such as comparing British history with the history of the Nazis or calling British editors things such as imperialist jingoes etc. This is not a breach of that ruling. --sony-youth 14:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Striked that on scrolling down and saw the personal attack thanks to User:One Night In Hackney's comments on my page. Though would like to note that it was a breach of WP:CIVIL and WP:ATTACK and not a breach of the ArbCom decision (i.e. the attack was anti-Waggers not anti-British). --sony-youth 15:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

It is a WP:CIVIL and WP:ATTACK breach, but the restriction, to me, is worded in such a way that her remarks need not be anti-British for them to qualify as "aggressive biased editing". Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 17:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Eupator

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Breaches of a user's civility supervision demand evidence of incivility, which the links (there is no specific quoted passage) fall short of demonstrating. The AA restriction do cover this topic in so far as related issues are immediately raised, but I'm pressed to find any problems in that regard here. In short, much stronger, more direct evidence is needed. El_C 04:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: I requested Thatcher to double check this closure since I have already recently argued that the filer of this notice failed to substantiate breaches of arbitration supervised civility with respect to another arbitration-restricted user. El_C 18:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

From Thatcher via El C: I do think that if Eupator is going to keep a page of historical evidence proving his point, it would be in the best interests of all involved that it not directly reference one particular admin who questioned it. "Here is evidence summarizing my position" is more compatible with an open editing environment than "Here is why admin:Smith got it wrong." And I disagree with User:Pocopocopocopoco that the article is not subject to the ruling; Eupator admits to editing from the Armenian point of view and the ruling is meant to be broadly interpreted. It's not really enforceable at this time but I would like it to go away by itself, please. Thatcher 02:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Eupator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I am requesting that an uninvolved administrator review the recent activities of Eupator ( Ευπάτωρ ), who is currently under ArbCom restrictions from Armenia-Azerbaijan 2, specifically, Civility supervision (formerly civility parole). If you make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, then you may be blocked for a short time of up to one week for repeat offenses." He is also subject to supervised editing and "... may be banned by any administrator from editing any or all articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues"

For the last few weeks, Eupator has been engaging in a dispute at the Franco-Mongol alliance article, specifically as regards the definition of Armenia's involvement in relations with the Mongols. As part of this, he has made what I regard as assumptions of bad faith. On December 21, he accused me of "bullying" at ANI. More recently, he has created a subpage in his userspace with negative comments about me: User:Eupator/Mongol historians. There is absolutely no need for this personal commentary about other editors. If he wishes to make his points, he should comment solely on article content. This is true of any editor, but particularly of an editor under such a stringent civility parole. --Elonka 22:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• On 14th of October Elonka left the following message on my talk page after I had awarded another user with a barnstar. . The purpose of her message was not quite clear but the entire message was a comment on another editor. I found that quite odd. As a result of Elonka's message on my userspace I started reading the dispute that she had initiated regarding the aforementioned article. My comment in December was in response to user PHG's request: "I am asking you (Elonka) to apologize for your bullying." Elonka responded nicely on the article talk page but left a seemingly threatening message on my talk page:. I did not respond back as I did not wish to escalate the matter any further. Most recently, once again she left another message on my talk page with yet even more inaccurate assumptions . I think I have remained quite civil in all of this but I do acknowledge commenting on user Elonka in my userspace here and not just on content. This was an honest attempt at displaying background info regarding my involvement, not some sort of a rant against Elonka though I do acknowledge that the last sentence is not really necessary. If you take a look at the talk page for Franco-Mongol alliance you will immediately notice how much of the discussion is regarding editors. A good portion of user Elonka's comments there are regarding other user(s) and not content. It is often necessary to discuss a users actions, if it's done civilly it should not be a cause for stress so I fail to see why she is applying double standards here. Also please note the following edit by Elonka on a recent AFD:. She's not commenting on content or my vote, she's making a bad faith assumption instead. -- Ευπάτωρ 23:40, 23 January 2008 (UTC)