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===Following discussion of Ehud Lesar's ban, Atabek and Grandmaster violated ] and ] by filing a checkuser basically to try to bludgeon editors they disagreed with=== | ===Following discussion of Ehud Lesar's ban, Atabek and Grandmaster violated ] and ] by filing a checkuser basically to try to bludgeon editors they disagreed with=== | ||
Following the lengthy ] where ] and ] were disagreeing with ] and ], Atabek then filed a ] which simply to bludgeon Andranikpasha and Steelmate. Grandmaster later piled on by to Atabeks pointy checkuser. Given that Grandmaster has recently (and in the past) used inconclusive results from 7 months ago against me to try to win an argument. Couple that with the fact that he asserts that the very reason that I am bringing this all up is due to the his belief that I am trying to "prevent a checkuser on myself". I think we can safely judge that this checkuser was being used in bad faith. Please see the remarks by checkuser ] in the ]: "Rejected. Please present a coherent case for why I should perform the check, and not this haphazard listing. This is the umpteenth time you've come here listing three or four different established identities and asking them all to be against some new account or other." when Atabek seemed to push further for the checkuser, Dmcdevit replied "Declined for the same reason. Please file requests coherently and with clear evidenc. Accusations against half a dozen known distinct people stinks of using CheckUser as a bludgeon against enemies." | Following the lengthy ] regarding Ehud Lesar where ] and ] were disagreeing with ] and ], Atabek then filed a ] which simply to bludgeon Andranikpasha and Steelmate. Grandmaster later piled on by to Atabeks pointy checkuser. Given that Grandmaster has recently (and in the past) used inconclusive results from 7 months ago against me to try to win an argument. Couple that with the fact that he asserts that the very reason that I am bringing this all up is due to the his belief that I am trying to "prevent a checkuser on myself". I think we can safely judge that this checkuser was being used in bad faith. Please see the remarks by checkuser ] in the ]: "Rejected. Please present a coherent case for why I should perform the check, and not this haphazard listing. This is the umpteenth time you've come here listing three or four different established identities and asking them all to be against some new account or other." when Atabek seemed to push further for the checkuser, Dmcdevit replied "Declined for the same reason. Please file requests coherently and with clear evidenc. Accusations against half a dozen known distinct people stinks of using CheckUser as a bludgeon against enemies." | ||
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Evidence presented by User:VartanM
Ehud Lesar as a screen name
The only notable Lesar, and the only one who has an article about himself, here on Misplaced Pages, is David J. Lesar. He is the Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton Energy Services and who lives in Houston Texas. Ehud claims to be from Texas. Adil Baguirov is the Vice-President of International Affairs of the Houston-based (Texas) International Energy Consulting Firm. . Check here on the relations of the Halliburton with Azerbaijan, which was previously run by the current US vice president Dick Cheney and now by David Lesar who visited Azerbaijan and meet with the president.
According to the WhitePages, there is no Ehud Lesar in Texas, and most if not all Lesar's in Texas are related to David Lesar. The Halliburton is a political company, related to the Republican party. Adil Baguirov, himself is actively involved in politics and contributes to the Republicans. Ehud Lesar's name as apposed to mine or MarshallBagramyan is not related to any real historic person. Its the last name of one of the powerful figures in the oil business. It's a name only someone working in the oil business would be familiar with and considering Ehud's interests in obscure Azerbaijani articles, there is no doubt in my mind that Ehud is Adil.
Jewish related articles are part of Adil Baguirov's off-wiki political campaign
Adil Baguirov runs the U.S. Azeris Network, political lobbying organization, the contact email of which is registered under Adil's domain name (domain@zerbaijan.com). The site has a Grassroots Action Center, one of its action alert is on Azeri Jews which sends us to here. The content sums most of Ehud's contributions on Jewish related articles. From the text we read:Many of Jews were bravely fighting against Armenian aggression in Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan, and one of them Albert Agarunov posthumously was honored with the title of the National Hero of Azerbaijan. Ehud Lesar created the article on him. This action alert sums up most of Ehud Lesar's contribution on Jewish related articles. Ehud Lesar's contributions are highly political. See first paragraph of this edit. Or this highly politicized addition on oil in the Israel-Azerbaijan relations. On the action alert you will also find an analogy with Armenia (treatment of the Jews), This contrasts with the anti-Semitism in Armenia to an article from the Turkish Weekly where Adil Baguirov has several of his articles published. , , , , . From the same token, it is not surprising (is it?) that Ehud Lesar added this to the article on the history of Jews in Armenia. (I guess to falsely show how Azerbaijan contrasts with Armenia)
While Marshal and Francis suspected Ehud Lesar to be Adil long ago, I and Fedayee were only sure of it after his involvement in the Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations article and its talkpage. Here Ehud Lesar removes a picture claiming in the summary: removed the image since it's actually Armenian soldiers. He's referring to this, he later confirms to Grandmaster here. The removal of the picture was done several minutes after Grandmaster brought it up in the talk page. I was furious that Grandmaster used an aryan forum and so I answered in a sarcastic way . Fedayee then emailed me and told me that this forum link was probably provided by Adil since Grandmaster was not in this sort of thing. Fedayee answered and showed Grandmaster his disgust. The problem was that the forum requires registration to search, and the link provided by Grandmaster was accessed through the forum search. Grandmaster answered Fedayee by suggesting that he never visited those websites. Fedayee replied that it yield no result on google, answering to Grandmasters claim that the info could have been found otherwise. Grandmaster's reply was: Sorry, I’m not gonna disclose my sources. I can only say that I never registered there or even visited that website. Checking the edit history in the talkpage, during that period only Ehud and Grandmaster were those who were contributing in the discussion supporting the Azeri version. Fedayee and I by that time were convinced Ehud Lesar was the member who provided that link. Adil is the person who is in the business of finding an Armenian-NAZI collaboration going as far as searching in Aryan web sites and forums.
From then on, not only were we convinced it was Adil but also were convinced that Grandmaster was aware that it was him. Eupator provided evidence on how Ehud meatpuppeted for Grandmaster and Atabek. Grandmaster's recent comments only make our suspicion stronger, that he knew more about this than he wants to reveal by claiming: ...Armenian users, who want to get rid of one of Azerbaijani editors Making a statement of fact on Ehud being Azerbaijani.
Ehud Lesar claims he didn't know Adil, which is very unlikely if not impossible
Ehud Lesar is aware of almost everything in terms of politics, (oil, conflict etc.) but amazingly claims like said by Marshal: I don't know and want to know who Adil is and is not. , he will just recently claim: I AM aware of who Adil Baguirov is by now,... . Someone who is so much aware of all the politics, or obscure subjects such as Kish Church claimed at first that he didn't knew one of the most known current Azerbaijani figures in the West and who happens to work in Texas (where he lives).
Link between Atabek and AdilBaguirov
Since Atabek brought this and accuses Fedayee of harassement, this should then be also covered. Some of the information will be submitted to the arbitration committee in private and a copy of what is sent will also be transmitted to Atabek so that he is aware of the evidences provided.
More to come
Evidence presented by User:Eupator
Ehud's mainspace edits sorted by number of edits
I'm going to display how Ehud essentially started out by making a bunch of bogus edits to bolster his fake Jewish identity (Adil had tried the same thing with his other socks) and wasted no time to jump into A-A hot topics with Adilesque edits and comments.-- Ευπάτωρ 06:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- 14 Albert Agarunov
- Created article and expanded it. The subject of the article was a participant of the Nagorno Karabakh war.
- 7 Church of Kish
- Most of it (6/7) reverts: , , , , ,
- Context of the reverts: The protection template is removed, Grandaster makes changes, Meowy follows, then Atabek makes a series of edits (results) followed by a minor edit by Grandmaster. Meowy reverts the changes and expands the article which is reverted by Grandmaster and again reverted by Meowy. Ehud Lesar comes out of nowhere and reverts. The rest of his edits on the article are also reverts.
- Most of it (6/7) reverts: , , , , ,
- 7 Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations
- Reverts or deletions: , , . As for the rest, the articles history is very telling. (start checking from when Azizbekov began editing the article) Ehud, always finding his way.
- 4 Khurshidbanu Natavan
- All reverts: , , ,
- Context of the reverts: Hetoum removes this under the basis of original research. Grandmaster reverts, Hetoum reverts, Parishan reverts, Hetoum rewords and adds sources , Parishan reverts, Hetoum reverts, Parishan reverts, followed by Hetoum . Parishan reaches his 3 revert limit, Dacy69 reverts, then Vartan makes a change. Parishan, Dacy and Grandmaster all have now reached their revert limits, Ehud Lesar pops up out of nowhere and reverts. Later on he essentially continues reverting in that article.
- All reverts: , , ,
- 3 Israel-Azerbaijan relations
- With his first edit he creates a new section pushing strong pov again regarding the Karabakh war.
- See the first paragraph he added. Second edit speaks for itself. . Third is a minor revert
- With his first edit he creates a new section pushing strong pov again regarding the Karabakh war.
- 3 Israel Democracy Institute
- 3 Azerbaijani Jews
- 3 Jews of Azerbaijan
- Creates the article. Two other minor edits. , .
- 3 Ohr Avner Chabad
- Creates it. Two other minor edits. , .
- 2 Ohr Avner Chabad Day School (Baku)
- Creates the article. Minor expansion.
- 2 Bakcell
- Creates, removes a website link.
- 1 History of Azerbaijan
- 1 Azerbaijan Democratic Republic
- 1 Karabakh Khanate
- 1 Meir Kahane
- Minor edit. (Replaces the word "murder" with "assassination".)
- 1 Army of Azerbaijan
- 1 Ethnic minorities in Iran
- 1 List of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 801 to 900
- 1 History of Turkish-Jewish Relations
- 1 Soviet Union and the Arab-Israeli conflict
- 1 Arye Carmon
- Creates the article.
- 1 Nagorno-Karabakh Republic
- 1 Azerbaijani administrative divisions of Nagorno-Karabakh
- 1 History of the Jews in Armenia
- adds 3 paragraphs about a vandalism of a memorial.
- 1 Mother Armenia
- changes liberation of Shushi to capture.
Ehud's other edits and talk page contributions
Evidence presented by Grandmaster
Counterevidence to sockpuppetry allegations
Please see User:Grandmaster/Ehud. I responded there in much detail to Fedayee's evidence that was used as a basis to Ehud's block. Please see below a general assessment of the evidence that is provided as a proof that Ehud is a sock and not a genuine user.
The evidence that resulted in Ehud's block consists of 3 main elements.
- Claims that certain arguments and geographic names are exclusive to Adil and not used by anyone else in in wikipedia or anywhere else.
- Claims that since Adil used socks in the past then Ehud must be a sock as well.
- Geographic location. Since Ehud resides in Texas, and Adil occasionally travels there, they must be the same person.
I will address these claims below.
1. This was the argument that was used the most, however quick investigation of the claims shows that there are no arguments or geographic location names that are exclusive to Adil. The argument that was used the most is that only Adil ever used the name of Geycha, which is one of historical names of the lake of Sevan in Armenia. Fedayee repeated that accusation so many times on various discussions, just some examples:
Nishkid64 repeated the same claims:
I addressed these claims in my counterevidence and demonstrated that the name of Geycha was used in Misplaced Pages articles and talk pages by various editors, including Misplaced Pages admins, at least since 2004 (!), long before Adil joined Misplaced Pages in 2006. Please see User:Grandmaster/Ehud#Re:_Ehud_and_Adil.2C_same_positions_and_ideologies. Same with other claims that Fedayee was alleging were exclusively Adil's. None of them are exclusively Adil's and can be found on talk pages of wikiarticles or Internet. It appears that the Geycha argument was the one that lead to Ehud's block. It was repeated by Fedayee over and over on various talk pages, and some admins eventually trusted it. However this claim was false and all that was needed to disprove it was to take a look at the history of a couple of articles in Misplaced Pages. Same with other names and opinions, claimed to be exclusively Adil's.
2. The argument that Adil used socks in the past cannot be a proof that Ehud is a sock as well. Plus, Fedayee provides inaccurate information by attributing to Adil accounts that were never proven to belong to him. Basically, every banned account representing the Azerbaijani position is now attributed by this group of users to Adil and on the basis of this it is claimed that Ehud is also a sock, however such claims cannot be a proof of anything.
3. Same with geographic location, which I addressed in my evidence here. Texas is not a village, it is a US state with more than 20 million of population.
As one can see, none of the above arguments can be a proof that Ehud was Adil's sock, since there are no "exclusive" names and arguments that could be attributed only to Adil and no one else, and the fact that Adil used socks at some point cannot be a proof that any other account banned in Misplaced Pages belongs to him and that Ehud is also Adil's sock, and many Armenian users are based in California, if we use the location as a basis for ban, then all Californian Armenians should be banned too as each other's socks.
As for speculations about Ehud's name, I do not recall Ehud ever claiming that he contributed under his real name, if I'm wrong, I would appreciate any proof to the contrary.
Harassment of Ehud
User:Fedayee, User:VartanM, User:MarshallBagramyan and User:Eupator were engaged in harassment of Ehud for many months. They claimed without any proof that Ehud was Adil's sock in blatant violation of WP:AGF, while failing to present their evidence for formal investigation to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sockpuppets, despite being recommended by admins to do so. Here's Fedayee accusing Ehud of being Adil's sock on cu page: Again:
Here Fedayee claims that MarshallBagramyan was referring to Ehud when he said that Meowy's "only block was because of an impersonation by AdilBaguirov".
But in December 2007 the occasional accusations turned into an open harassment campaign. Whenever Ehud tried to make a comment on talk, he was attacked and accused of being Adil. Examples. On talk of Nagorno-Karabakh VartanM responded to Ehud's comment as follows:
Wow!!! I was sure you would answer Ehud. Good to have back Adil Baguirov theories about Zankezur, Syunik, Geycha, Sevan etc..., I'm sure we all missed them. VartanM (talk) 06:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Then the same kind of attacks on Ehud continued on Khojaly massacre talk:
Adil, if you wish to continue contributing here you should appeal to the arbitration committee. And for your information Lesar is Sephadric not Ashkenazi. If you don't mind I will ignore you as a banned user. VartanM (talk) 06:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
When I asked Vartan to mind WP:AGF, Vartan said:
When Ehud left his comment on WP:AE board, he was instantly attacked by Fedayee, who said:
Banned members have no say in this. You are banned so you should learn to face it. - Fedayee (talk) 03:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
WP:AE became the arena of most intense attacks. Fedayee was the most active harasser, he claimed that Ehud was Adil as if it was a proven fact:
It has been already demonstrated that your persona is a fake one. We will all treat you as Adil because you are Adil. - Fedayee (talk) 03:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
You know checkusers will not show anything and you know nothing has been demonstrated of that sort. Ehud is Adil, we already confirmed this, so please for your own sake stop claiming it was demonstrated, I will start believing that you know it and defend him. - Fedayee (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Adil, you see why you are banned now? Even under a new username, you just can't stop disrupting. - Fedayee (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
We have Ehud, who we all know is Adil. Fedayee (talk) 08:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The only thing you do with your answers is to confirm more and more that you are Adil. - Fedayee (talk) 06:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
In the same post Fedayee stated that he was not going to pursue resolution via arbcom:
I will not be filling an Arbitration request, because my trust for the arbitration has reached an all-time low, I will only hope some administrators will use some of their time to go through the evidence. - Fedayee (talk) 06:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
However later Fedayee changed his mind about arbcom, but kept insisting that Ehud was Adil, at the same time claiming that User:Elsanaturk was Ehud as well:
So yes, I want a third arbitration too but only if this time it is taken more seriously. And yes Ehud is Adil, and evidence points that Elsanturk is behind this Ehud thing too, all that is needed is a new arbitration case with fresh blood… maybe the arbitration this time will be reading the evidence... - Fedayee (talk) 18:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Fedayee continued harassment of Ehud at Moreschi's talk page:
Moreschi, that Ehud is Adil isn't even a matter of belief but confirmation. - Fedayee (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Eupator also supported Fedayee's claims that Ehud was a sock:
I'm accusing Ehud of being a sokpuppet as well.
The harassment at WP:AE and other pages continued even after the sockpuppetry accusations were rejected by the admins at the WP:AE board:
The admin who placed Ehud on parole said:
I have no good reason to think you're a sockpuppet of anyone.
However despite all that Ehud was blocked, unblocked and reblocked, and the block was made without any discussion at WP:AE, WP:ANI or any other board and despite the previous conclusion at WP:AE that there was "No confirmation of sockpuppetry". Given that Ehud was not a single purpose account and was a long time contributor, I don’t think this was acceptable.
Comments on Vartan's evidence
With regard to the link to the restricted forum, I do not understand how Adil could have had any relation with it. Again, speculation with no proof. If this matter is indeed of any importance, I can explain how I got that link. It was provided to me by one Armenian wikipedian, whose name I’m not going to disclose. However I can give his name to arbitrators if needed.
As for me referring to Ehud as Azerbaijani, Azerbaijani is not just ethnicity, and since I believe Ehud is from Azerbaijan, he is in my view an Azerbaijani by nationality. Azerbaijan is multiethnic country, and not everyone who hails from my country is an ethnic Azerbaijani, but many people of various ethnic origins are Azerbaijanis by nationality.
Pocopocopocopoco
This user has been trying to prevent checkusers performed on editors representing certain position for quite some time. Here he was trying to prevent a cu on a bunch of suspicious accounts: , and stopped the argument only when the steward lar told him to. Eventually this cu revealed 5 sock accounts. Then Pocopocopocopoco turns the next cu on the same page into the large argument, and the cu clerk had to move the discussion to talk: Still Pocopocopocopoco continued protesting on the cu page, and it eventually turned into a total mess, as more names became added, etc. I don't know why this user is so concerned with cu procedure, which is quite routine and has been performed on myself many times. If one does not use sock accounts abusively, he has nothing to be afraid of. However Pocopocopocopoco's evidence and proposal on the workshop page leave an impression that they are intended to prevent certain users to file cu requests on another group of users. So far myself and Atabek helped the admins to expose a large number of sock accounts, I can cite many examples if needed. However when someone routinely tries to prevent cu, it looks very suspicious, especially when su returns positive results. In addition, this whole story with cu requests has nothing to do with Ehud.
Evidence presented by User:Khoikhoi
I will post evidence later. Khoikhoi 05:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Evidence presented by uninvolved User:Atabek
Checkuser on User:Ehud Lesar and User:AdilBaguirov
Checkuser results on relation of these two contributors were negative . So were the two following checkusers on User:AdilBaguirov declined - , .
User:Fedayee and User:VartanM violated WP:PRIVACY and WP:HARASS
Charges brought up by User:Fedayee and User:VartanM that User:Ehud Lesar is not really Jewish have no supporting evidence, do not serve as a reason for accusing someone of sockpuppetry or questioning identity, and are violations of WP:HARASS. Accusing someone based on dislike of his account name being associated with a certain ethnicity is in violation of WP:PRIVACY and WP:HARASS. I will add diffs on this later.
User:Fedayee and User:VartanM violated WP:HARASS
User:Fedayee is known to make frivolous claims on Azerbaijani contributors:
- a) He claims "Atabek, unlike what you write, Zangezur and Geycha claim was in fact specific to Adil,", however, as evidence shows there are two independent sources , , which cannot be attributed as even being created by User:AdilBaguirov.
- b) He made an accusation at WP:ANI against me, claiming "given the possible relations between Atabek and Adil off-wiki", while when asked to produce evidence, his response was "You know I can not provide the evidence here so why are you bothering asking?"
VartanM claims
Regarding this claim by VartanM . I would be delighted if he presents any evidence linking me to AdilBaguirov publicly(!), when he is not even aware/cannot prove my identity. Same applies in Ehud Lesar case. Moreover, I do demand that both VartanM and Fedayee are properly judged by the Arbitration Committee based on their persistent harassment and targeting of contributors' personalities, moving beyond the limitations of content discussions. These severe violations of WP:HARASS, WP:PRIVACY and WP:AGF have absolutely NOTHING to do with intent, objectives and activity of Misplaced Pages.
Targeting of banned User:AdilBaguirov and User:Ehud Lesar
- Despite this checkuser , the blocking admin still asserted that User:Londium a sock of User:AdilBaguirov without any evidence produced.
- No evidence was produced by the reblocking administrator in Ehud Lesar case to the claim :
- Grandmaster and Atabek have now hinted that Ehud Lesar's real name is not "Ehud Lesar", as he had claimed many times before on-wiki and through e-mail.
- Whether Ehud Lesar is a real name of contributor or not does not establish the fact of him being a sockpuppet of someone else. Using this as a justification for block is in violation of the very first sentence of WP:PRIVACY:
- Misplaced Pages requires no personal information from anyone who wishes to edit it.... Some editors use their real name for their account, most others use a pseudonym.
Evidence presented by Fedayee
Ehud and Adil, same positions and ideologies
This will be a modified version of my evidence page. I removed things which I felt were not necessary to provide anymore and I hid a piece which the Arbitration could check if they wish that they need more material. I will probably add more depending on what other users add as evidence. (I will not answer to counter-evidence but rather, supplement more)
Ehud Lesar, who claims to be a Jew, supports positions exclusively supported by extreme nationalists in Azerbaijan and also supports an exclusively Adil myth on Lake Sevan (located in the republic of Armenia).
AdilBaguirov wrote: Thus once more, if Shaumyan declared some independence, then definitely so did Zangezur and Geycha in Armenia.
AdilBaguirov wrote: That is most of Zangezur, Geycha, and certainly all of Karabakh were recognized by US as legitimate parts of Azerbaijan.
Ehud Lesar: Let me give you an example for you to understand the same pro-Azeri effect if one creates an article on Geycha and Zangezur Republic, or whatever a group of Azeris may call it. I think it even has some sort of an official name. That group of Azeris claims these territories, i.e. Zangezur, or Syunik province of present day Armenia, and Geycha district, or Sevan province of Armenia today, are Azeri territories and historically have been.
When the similarities between Adil’s and Ehud’s positions are raised, Ehud Lesar writes: If one or other user shares the same views on Zangezur (Syunik) and Geycha (Sevan), that doesn't mean I have be one of them.
If we search on talkpages, we find that only Adil has ever talked about any Geycha Republic. We see here on the map (the Azerbaijani representation of then republic) that while Zankezur was disputed by Azerbaijan, Sevan WAS NOT! Also, Ehud is not using the proper word Sevan (Geycha) but continues to say Geycha (Sevan), a land which is not disputed and part of the republic of Armenia. Only Adil did this.
Ehud considers what happened in Khojaly a genocide and calls it extermination. . Hmm, who calls it genocide? Azerbaijani and Turkish lobbyists, and of them probably the most known, Adil Baguirov who has an article published in the Turkish Weekly (referred by Vartan) on Khojaly Genocide Here is what he lists: including those in Rwanda, Bosnia, Algeria, etc. Excluding Youtube (both first hits from Google are youtube videos loaded by Turkish users), the first text material about Algerian Genocide comes from an article again by the Turkish Weekly where as Vartan mentioned, Adil has published several articles. The Jews were one of the groups who suffered the most during the Oran massacre and the subsequent crimes… intimidations which prompted them to nearly entirely leave Algeria, unusual to include Algeria as a matter of fact by a Jew. And witness how in his list the Armenian example is missing… in fact Ehud, just like Adil, denies the Armenian genocide: but I do condemn any Turk who committed massacres of Armenian civilians as much as I condemn any Armenian who committed the same acts on Turkish civilians 100 years ago. Ehud is a supporter of the ridiculous “both-sided massacre” revisionist claim which is maintained by those who deny the Armenian Genocide and mainly supported in the West by Justin McCarthy, whose article the socks of Adil have also edited. , , , , , , , .
Ehud Lesar, in light of the various socks and impersonation of Adil of other nationalities
Adil has already impersonated being English, Armenian, Uzbek, Kazak, Jewish, and Iranian.
Weiszman (Adil Baguirov’s sock) registered on March 3 and only started contributing on articles on March 21 2007, then his next contribution will be on April 3 2007, in the meantime Ehud Lesar was registered (March 28 2007). Ehud Lesar’s registration date coincides with one event: the confirmation that AdilBaguirov will be banned. In the voting process of the arbitration committee, Paul August from March 27 to 28 started making different proposals opposing various bans, though he will end up supporting AdilBaguirov’s ban. By this support, AdilBaguirov knew that his fate was settled and it was only hours later that Ehud Lesar had registered. Ehud Lesar, while having registered on March 28, didn't edit until May 22 2007. Weiszman will be editing until April 11 2007, he will get caught and consequently banned.
Batabat, Ehud and Adil
Batabat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Grandmaster and LaraLove say that Ehud contacted them and offered to talk to them on the phone or webchat . This is similar to what User:Batabat offered when he was blocked as a single purpose account.
These are his first four contributions on Misplaced Pages. , , , . Replaced Persian with Turkic (Adil did this numerous times). Then the next thing he does is to go to Khoikhoi's talkpage to defend Adil, ehmmm…, I mean "Dr. Baguirov" using his words. , . Then the next thing he does, he votes to keep the FORK article , , and then he voted to oppose an FA article. . He becomes member of the Azerbaijan Wikiproject. Then he pushes Adil’s sarcasm to its end, with a 100% Adil comment on his userpage. After that comment he is blocked as a sock. This obvious sock then wants to be unblocked. , he emails an Admin and wants the email to be posted here. Check the similarities; he proposed to call him or webcam him to prove his identity. Batabat, after being unblocked, claims that he has to finish two books effectively excusing his future absence. This was on March 13, two days after the Church of Kish article was created. The logical explanation would be that the email to the Admin was made hours or a day or two later, which closes the gap for those two days. Fedayee’s assertions are without a doubt correct, such obvious cases with a mountain of evidence would normally not even require a checkuser.
The above evidence was originally posted by Eupator on AN/I, it has been altered to correspond with the rest of the evidence.
Promoting Adil
You're free to be either obsessed with or pretty much obviously impressed by him, but please stop dragging me into "being" someone I am not just NOT. Here, Ehud Lesar is claiming that another member is obviously impressed by Adil who thinks a lobbyist who acts as an ambassador of Azerbaijan in the United States is someone to be impressed with. He repeated this more recently: I must say that it's rather positive that you're so impressed by Adil Bagirov; so impressed that you happen to follow his life cycle, but I think you should free your mind from the name Ehud Lesar. Ehud knows that we know he is Adil, this comment is the same sort of sarcasm Adil or his other socks were using.
Admission by others
- User:Grandmaster claims that "...Armenian users, who want to get rid of one of Azerbaijani editors".
- User:Atabek suggested that Ehud Lesar might have been a made up name. ..."argument about Ehud Lesar's username has absolutely no relevance to the question whether he is Adil or not. There is no Misplaced Pages rule that says a contributor is not allowed to register a username of his choice." .
Adil and Ehud live in the same geographic location
By his own admission, Ehud Lesar lives in Texas which is similar to Adil who splits his time between Washington, D.C. and Houston, Texas, where he works for an international energy consulting firm.
More will follow
Evidence presented by User:Ehud Lesar
Ehud Lesar’s complete history of edits
I will not be re-posting what I had posted on my talk page already. The All of the evidence and response from Ehud Lesarshould be enough for Administrators to read through and analyze the evidence.
I will write below all of my involvement in Misplaced Pages up to the date I was blocked. I understand there are limitations of text and diffs not to overwhelm the Committee's work; however without looking at each diff, it is rather hard to understand why we're here at ArbCom considering the case, and why Armenian users have been skipping some diffs and showing only what they want administrators to see.
I get interested in Misplaced Pages in early January, 2007. I read many articles, especially the ones related to Israel and Azerbaijan. This is the primary area of my study. Hence the interest. I make my first try out on March 28, 19:05 in Misplaced Pages: Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox. From that day on, I did not have time to start at Misplaced Pages project due to personal family reasons.
May 22, 2007 and first article I create a new article related to a National Hero of Azerbaijan of Jewish origin. Since this is my first time, I insert the text into the article, insert tags, parenthesis, etc., by looking at other articles; A user named User:Zondi (perhaps admin) corrects my mistakes The following few edits are due to the lack of experience. In any case, I am posting them here one by one: , , , , , (edit made the next day, i.e. May 23, 2007), , . From this point on, the first article created by me, is edited by User:Zondi again, then by User:Parishan. Then, on May 24, I try to add a picture and use it in the article. . It is then corrected again by User:Zondi by moving it to float right. Then I read the instructions on placing the picture in the article, image resolution specifics, etc., and enlarge the image.
June 5, 2007 I edit the article again, presenting the facts , and so on. From the date of my first article, May 22 until May 24, I edit only this article, making only very minor edit here .
May 28, 2007 is the Independence day of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. I go to that article to read and make a minor spelling correction .
Until June 5, 2007 I do not make any edits, and once logged in, I make an edition in the article Albert Agarunov since it was on my watch list. Also, on the same and next day, I read an article on History of Azerbaijan, find a need to add information, and make a correction, which I do on June 6, 2007
June 9, 2007 I create my page after seeing other various user pages.
June 10, 2007 I also make additions to the article Azerbaijani Jews, by adding information relevant to the life of Jewish community in Azerbaijan I make a repetitive edit by re-saving the added text, because I forgot to write the explanation in the edit summary Then, I add tags for Jews of Azerbaijan and Khabad Or-Avner, the articles, which I was going to create soon after.
June 10, 2007 I create a page on a new organization in Baku Jews of Azerbaijan . I proceed with correcting and adding tags to the article I would create next , followed by a minor style correction .
June 10, 2007 I continue by creating the next article I wanted create on Khabad Or-Avner .
June 12, 2007 I expand and make significant additions on Israel-Azerbaijan Strategic, Security and Trade Relations, to the article created by user User:Atabek .
June 13, 2007 After a research, I add more information to the article including one of the vital sectors of Israeli-Azerbaijan relations
June 13, 2007 I create an article on Israeli-Azerbaijan joint venture Bakcell followed up by a minor correction .
June 15, 2007 I make an edit in the article Ethnic minorities in Iran where there was a strong POV and wrong naming of an ethnic group
June 26, 2007 After some research, I add more information to the article on Khabad Or-Avner Here I am struggling with technical difficulties , , . On the same day, that is June 26, I register with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Israel for current and future Israel related articles. . I also edit my page adding information on my ethnic background and membership of WikiProject Israel
June 29, 2007 I add Armenia-Azerbaijan to List of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 801 to 900
July 2, 2007 I read articles and make research on Turkish-Jewish history and relations, and make a correction here . On the same day, that is on July 2, after research, I see a need for creation of another article on Israel Democracy Institute , followed up by adding a WikiProject Israel tag .
July 4, 2007 I read and do research on Soviet Union and the Arab-Israeli conflict On the same day, that is July 4, while reading about Caucasian Albania, I find an article on Church of Kish where I see a POV, which I remove Here you can see the discussion on the talk page of the article: . Reverting the article back to Francis Tyers’ version
July 5, 2007 I continue with discussion on Church of Kish and make a revert once . Same day, I find a discussion on talk page of Azerbaijan and make a comment there too .
July 7, 2007 I see a comment from User:Francis Tyers regarding user User:AdilBaguirov and reply on my page. This is actually one of the first tallks where Armenian users start attacking me with accusations
July 10, 2007 I post a message on admin Mackensen’s page about addition of my name to arb com
On July 11, 2007 I undo the last revert of Hetoum because of POV and on July 12 I leave a comment on the talk page and revert it to previous version
July 13, 2007 I leave a comment . July 17, 2007 I leave a comment July 21, 2007 I leave a comment on Movses Kaghankatvatsi talk page . This and Church of Kish are on my watch list.
August 1, 2007 minor edit on Israel Democracy Institute page A few minutes later I create an article on Dr. Arye Carmon
August 2, 2007 I add the name of the Institute in Hebrew
August 8, 2007 I find an article on Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations and see POV pushing by a new now-blocked User:Azizbekov. I make the corresponding corrections , asking for sources . Azizbekov reverts and starts personal attacks (please see his edit summaries) My replies follows.
August 9, 2007 I am filing a complaint on user Azizbekov's harassing remarks and personal attacks Undoing Azizbekov’s POV and leaving a comment on the fact that sources are not provided
August 12, 2007 I make neutral edits changing a heading from biased to neutral language and adding other significant data Here , I post an extensive reply to user Azizbekov and his ethnic attacks. Here I leave a message on admin Thatcher’s page about User:Azizbekov’s unacceptable behavior and attacks on my ethnicity from Armenian users.
Here I make a minor edit and remove the picture which was actually a picture of Armenian soldiers in Greece, not Azeri ones and leave a corresponding comment .
August 26, 2007 I change the heading to “Participation” with a comment on the talk page Same day, that is August 26, I reply to user User:Zulfugar who left a comment on my page about the issues related to article Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations:
September 6, 2007 I find an article Khurshidbanu Natavan of Misplaced Pages while researching on Karabakh khanate through search engines, and after reading and comparing the article versions, and reading the talk page discussion, I reverted it to the version which was not biased. , followed by a comment on talk page Same day, that is September 6, I leave a comment on one of my watched articles Church of Kish, urging user User:Hetoum to come to consensus and revert the article to the previous version until users reach an agreement.
September 6-7, 2007 I participate in the discussion, leaving a comment , and making a revert ; presenting evidence on the picture of the bust and its destiny: .
September 7, 2007 I also participate in discussion for Karabakh Khanate and leave a comment followed by an undoing of User:Hetoum's edit, who previously deleted the sourced neutral information .
September 10, 2007I leave a comment on Khurshidbanu Natavan article talk page and make the edit in the article . On the same day, I leave a comment on Meir Kahane article talk page and make the corresponding edit in the article itself. Leaving a comment on Khurshidbanu Natavan page: and making a corresponding change in the article:
September 11, 2007 I make a revert from previous revert by anonymous user , and leave a comment on the talk page
December 19, 2007 I find discussion on Nagorno-Karabakh talk page interesting and join in
December 20-21, 2007 I participate on talk page discussions for articles on Nagorno-Karabakh and Khojaly Massacre , , , , , .
December 22 through December 31, 2007 I participate in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement discussion, leave a few comments on pages, vote , make reverts on biased editions such as this , and this , reply on Fedayee’s accusation , add new data to the article History of the Jews in Armenia , undo an edit by anonymous (while leaving a comment on talk page )
After I am placed on a 6 month revert parole by admin User:Moreschi, I leave a comment with request on his page to which he replies
December 29, 2007 I also leave a comment and make edit in the article making it neutral Mother Armenia .
January 1 through 5, 2007 I leave a couple of comments , .
January 9, 2007I get blocked by admin User:Khoikhoi who was absent for some time and appeared on Misplaced Pages and blocked me right away .
Dates of Ehud Lesar's edits and Baseless allegations from Armenian users
In this section, I request Administrators to comment on the date and time analysis. On the following dates I was absent from Misplaced Pages, i.e. I was either busy, watched TV, hung out with friends, worked, was sick, studied or had personal reasons: (In order of my first contribution in Albert Agarunov article) * May 24-28, 2007
- May 28-June 5, 2007
- June 6-9, 2007
- June 13-15, 2007
- June 15-26, 2007
- June 26-29, 2007
- June 29-July 2, 2007
- July 2-4, 2007
- July 5-7, 2007
- July 7-10, 2007
- July 13-17, 2007
- July 17-21, 2007
- July 21-August 1, 2007
- August 2-8, 2007
- August 9-12, 2007
- August 13-26, 2007
- August 26-September 6, 2007
- September 7-10, 2007
- September 11-December 19, 2007
- December 27-29, 2007
- January 1-5, 2007
- January 5-9 (blocked)
Please note that the dates above indicate my absence which happen to be more than 24 hours. The claims User:Fedayee, User:VartanM, User:MarshallBagramyan and User:Eupator are making with me being absent during specific timeframes are completely baseless. Every single one of us has a personal life we have to contribute to, as well. One has to be able to take a break to go to have lunch, take a shower, go to the bathroom, do groceries, study, visit parents, meet up with friends and relatives, and spend time off the internet. The claims supported by Armenian users above are very illogical and make no sense. One thing is very important to note and take into consideration: These and several other users are doing and will do anything to get rid of me or any Azerbaijani editor, that is, a user not having a pro-Armenian stance. In order to reach that goal, they are trying to attach my name to a blocked user User:AdilBaguirov.
The name User:Ehud Lesar, my ethnicity and nationality
There is no doubt about my ethnicity whatsoever. I have Jewish blood as much as needed. I'm going to prove to a few Armenian users what my ethnicity is. It is just is what it is. I have as much Ashkenazi and Sephardic blood as there is and it's my pride. If I chose to reflect it on my user page, it is my decision. If there are 6 million Jews nowadays, it doesn't mean that they have segregated themselves and split into sharply cut Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews. For the information of Armenian users, both Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews do intermarry as much as they intermarry with Azeris, Russians, Turks and Armenians. Again, it's not my obligation to explain to Armenian users whether Ehud Lesar is my real name, nickname, or a user name in Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages respects privacy of its editors.
A few references
I took liberty to post a couple of links in response to some allegations from Armenian users, especially their comments on my views on genocide issues involving Algerian genocide. Jews of Israel and other countries actually have a number of different views: Please see Peace, Propoganda and the Promised Land to see a different view from commonly accepted thought about Jews, and what Jews think about Arabs, so on and so forth. You may also see this video with Azerbaijani Jews singing about Azerbaijan among which there are Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Caucasian Jews. Efforts of Armenian users accusing me of being a sock to present me as a "fake Jew" as well as claims that there are no Sephardic Jews in Azerbaijan are groundless. I am ready to cooperate and work with administrators to prove that I am not a sockpuppet of any other user. Meanwhile, as agree with the Committee, I will be editing on this page and arbitration-related pages only
Evidence presented by user:Pocopocopocopoco
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Following discussion of Ehud Lesar's ban, Atabek and Grandmaster violated WP:POINT and WP:GAME by filing a checkuser basically to try to bludgeon editors they disagreed with
Following the lengthy discussion at ANI regarding Ehud Lesar where user:Steelmate and user:Andranikpasha were disagreeing with user:Atabek and user:Grandmaster, Atabek then filed a checkuser which simply to bludgeon Andranikpasha and Steelmate. Grandmaster later piled on by adding two additional blocked users to Atabeks pointy checkuser. Given that Grandmaster has recently (and in the past) used inconclusive results from 7 months ago against me to try to win an argument. Couple that with the fact that he asserts that the very reason that I am bringing this all up is due to the his belief that I am trying to "prevent a checkuser on myself". I think we can safely judge that this checkuser was being used in bad faith. Please see the remarks by checkuser user:Dmcdevit in the checkuser case: "Rejected. Please present a coherent case for why I should perform the check, and not this haphazard listing. This is the umpteenth time you've come here listing three or four different established identities and asking them all to be against some new account or other." when Atabek seemed to push further for the checkuser, Dmcdevit replied "Declined for the same reason. Please file requests coherently and with clear evidenc. Accusations against half a dozen known distinct people stinks of using CheckUser as a bludgeon against enemies."
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