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Blogosphere

A blogger has mentioned us and how we're ruining the 9/11 pages . Here's where they mention you:

Here's a typical excerpt from the discussion on there:

QUESTION: "What do you think about this possible new title:

'9/11 skepticism and conspiracy theories'

It would mention both POV and leave the reader free to judge himself what in the article is a conspiracy theory and what is just sketpticism. What do you think?"--Pokipsy76 08:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

ANSWER: "Conspiracy theories and legitimate criticisms are two separate topics; combining them into a signle article which fails to distinguish between the two would represent a loss of information." Peter Grey 15:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC) --DCAnderson 05:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Cute. Peter Grey 18:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

9/11: Press for Truth

Good call re the 911CT template. With hindsight it has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. Fiddle Faddle 21:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Time for RfC?

As one who has been pretty active lately deeling with his edits, what is your feeling on starting a RfC on Lovelight (talk · contribs)? I noticed this morning that he removed your message to him, and his response to four separate editors reverting his changes on September 11, 2001 attacks is rather revealing. I don't really expect an RfC to go anywhere production, but it is an early step in dispute resolution on the way to arbitration. Thanks. --StuffOfInterest 11:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I haven't looked into the exact procedure that would be appropriate, but certainly some action is called for. Peter Grey 14:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, as he managed to break 3RR again, he'll probably be going away for another week. I may start sandboxing some text for a RfC and see what happens when he returns. If you want to see an example of an ongoing RfC, take a look at this one. --StuffOfInterest 15:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess Golbez (talk · contribs) beat us to it. The RfC has been opened. --StuffOfInterest 15:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

9/11 Truth Movement and 9/11 truth movement

I have replied to your question on the 9/11 Truth Movement discussion page and would like to hear your thoughts.

If my definitions are correct, then given your views on this page I would say you are a 'member' of the 9/11 truth movement but NOT the 9/11 Truth Movement. By 'member' I mean 'believer' as there is no 'membership' of the "tm". Corleonebrother 08:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Your opinion

Hi Peter, your opinion on the current disagreement at the collaspe of the WTC article would be much appreciated. MONGO hasn't really made himself very clear.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 14:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

interesting

Peter,

I expected my revision of the introduction to the 9/11 article to be reversed at some point.

What I'm curious to understand is why my revision of the introduction had to be reversed when what I contributed is more objective and closer to "truth" than what is currently in place, which is attempting to say with certainty and as fact that what happened was an attack by a specific group?

I was not looking to support or promote "conspiracy theories", nor should the revision be seen as an attempt to do so. I was merely trying to improve the article by avoiding its appearing to be merely a reflection of one view, regardless how official the government statements are.

What I find particularly interesting is not so much the truth of what happened, but the manner in which "history" is being negotiated and passed off as truth. What happened, in any circumstance, and how what happened is recorded is not transparent. Three different people at the scene of an accident will not all provide the same details of events. Why? That's just human nature. However, if "one story" is going to be adopted as the official story, who tends to be entrusted to establish that one story? Usually, it's a matter of might vs right. In other words, "to the victor go the spoils". Winners, or, those who are left standing to tell the story, usually get to tell their story to make themselves look like "the good guys" and the other side look like "the bad guys." And, if the might structure has the power to enforce its story, those who oppose it are labelled, ostracized, censured...

The very fact that there is hesitation, nay, fear, to allow an article to be written collaboratively that reflects doubt as to the official story is doubly ironic given the "freedom of speech" concept of American philosophy.

I frankly don't expect you to scratch your chin and say "hmmm, you got a point there, Duane. I'll put your revision back". I'm just writing to let you know that I saw the reversion coming, and am disappointed that people are so willing to accept the official story, regardless of its merit or lack thereof, simply because it is the official story. There are gaps and questions that increasing numbers of reasonable people are asking, and truth should not be afraid to deal with those questions. The American government has, historically, not infrequently found itself in this situation, and at some point people have to wonder why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgaubin (talk • contribs) 20:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Labelling something as uncertain when there is no good-faith doubt is not objectivity, it is falsehood. There are questions that actually are unanswered - why don't you focus on those, instead of trying (and failing) to make some kind of juvenile point? Peter Grey (talk) 02:26, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Trust you to resort to insult and assume that somehow you are the arbiter of what is good-faith or objective. Your response is a clear indication of your level, down to which I will not stoop. I will, however, observe very simply that there are plenty of professionals who make their livings demolishing buildings who maintain that three perfect collapses sharing foundations is not a reasonable result of airplane crashes or fires - I'll take their good-faith doubt over your certainty any day.dgaubin (talk) 05:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Provide a reliable source. But note that airplane crashes or fires is different from airplane crashes and fires, and that the three buildings 1 WTC, 2 WTC, and 7 WTC did not have a common foundation. Errors of fact are not appropriate for an encyclopedia. See also false dichotomy. Peter Grey (talk) 00:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

guidelines for the naming of articles

Like too many other editors who have contributed to the current renaming debate at 9/11 conspiracy theories, you claimed that what "reliable sources" call something is a consideration in choosing names for articles, despite the fact that it had already been pointed out that this was not the case. Please do not misrepresent wikipedia policy and guidelines in this way because it causes a lot of confusion. ireneshusband (talk) 09:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)