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Fedayee

Just in case you didn't get to read my comment on Fedayee's talk page (and given your unawareness of the Wiki rules, you may have a reading disability. I am not trying to insult you, just raising an important concern), I am posting it here as well.

WP:AGF is not a policy. It is a guideline which "is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception." (WP:AGF). Saying that someone is a sockpuppet is not a violation of AGF--someone may engage in sockpuppetry with good faith (i.e. believing that he is making Misplaced Pages better). Good evidence alone is enough to point out suspicious behavior--be it disruptive editing, or sockpuppetry. It provides effective common sense restriction against abuse. Otherwise, users would abuse the system freely until "proof" could be achieved, which could be never (especially if the admin asking for a proof is biased).

Furthermore, a penalty should be applied after an official warning is placed on a user's talk page, and the user is told that continued violation will result in blocking. It's spelled out in the ArbCom decision: "Before any penalty is applied, a warning placed on the editor's user talk page by an administrator shall serve as notice to the user that these remedies apply to them." http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2 Poorly worded and vulgar requests (containing stupid phrases such as "shut up") on other pages do not count.

It is clear that you are ignorant of the policies and rules of Misplaced Pages. You need to step down as an admin and first aquaint yourself with the rules. Before you do that, you need to lift Fedayee's block. If you don't, we, as Misplaced Pages users, will make sure that you are forced to step down.

If you reply, do it either here or on Fedayee's talk page. I do not want you to spam my talk page with your lengthy tirades as you have done before. --TigranTheGreat (talk) 10:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, someone can engage in accuse someone of sockpuppetry with good faith, either by filing a request, or by quietly compiling evidence on a user page, as Fedayee was doing. I even agreed to assist Fedayee in correlating the data and reviewing it.

That is very different from using an incomplete analysis that has not been confirmed by an admin as a basis for accusing another user of sockpuppetry. Fedayee was warned to stop doing it, but he continued.

p.s. I can read fine. If you have any concerns that I have a problem with reading, feel free to review my contributions and ponder on the question: could I really write so much without the ability to read? Food for thought. John Vandenberg (talk) 10:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no rule that user A cannot accuse user B of sockpuppetry if user A has good faith basis to believe so. You are making rules up. And WP:AGF is not a policy. And warnings have to be on the user's talk page and clearly indicate that he will be blocked next time. Your behaviour is more like baiting. --TigranTheGreat (talk) 11:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I've taken this to WP:AN#Block on Fedayee; please review. Please discuss there rather than everywhere else. John Vandenberg (talk) 11:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear John Vandenberg, out of curiosity, and since one side of the Aremnia-Azerbaijan conflict strongly feels that you are not neutral, I have been studying your contributions, and you do have a history of mysteriously appearing on various articles in which User:Grandmaster is involved in, usually to support User:Grandmaster's position in an editorial conflict. There is an undeniable pattern that supports this assertion, so in light of this, can you please clarify the nature of your relationship with User:Grandmaster? Are you in contact with User:Grandmaster outside Misplaced Pages via emails and instant messaging? --JamesDS (talk) 23:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am in contact with Grandmaster besides on Misplaced Pages, as I am with hudreds of Wikipedians, via email, mailing lists, IRC, IM and other Wikimedia projects. Specifically Grandmaster often provides page scans of works that are not available online, and has on a few occasions provided translations that I have requested.

To forestall the next question, I received no communication from Grandmaster over the Christmas period, and never has Fedayee been mentioned in communication between him and I, nor has any other Armenian user still in good standing within the community. My block of Fedayee was unrelated to any other dispute (I dont recall even being in any topical dispute with Fedayee) - it was solely to put a stop to Fedayee's accusations against user Ehud, and canvassing of support for a block, based on an incomplete sock analysis - that block has been considered reasonable by uninvolved admins.

From what I have seen, Grandmaster is involved in the majority of the topical disputes in the Azeri-Armenian region, most of which I never go near because I do not like to get involved where I do not have sufficient knowledge of either the topic or the history of the Misplaced Pages article. I am not aware that my input has closely matched Grandmaster; I recall having different opinions to him on a significant number of occasions.

As best I can recall, the few articles that I have been involved in content disputes are either due to onwiki requests from Grandmaster or others, due to already being involved in closely related articles, or because my watchlist includes a growing number articles from this region. I have also received a emails over the last year from various Azeri and Armenian users who have since been banned, so it is possible I ended up diving into an article based on those emails.

I vehemently reject any notion that I am anything but neutral in the few issues which I have tackled. Please feel free to point out one or two occasions where you think that it looks like I was merely supporting Grandmaster, and I will give you a complete background of my involvement.

Now, as I have been very open and clear, could you please explain how you ended up learning of this matter?

John Vandenberg (talk) 02:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Please see here VartanM (talk) 00:26, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I've reminded White Cat that accusations are counter-productive: User talk:White Cat#Andranikpasha and ASALA. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Regarding the emails, I strongly urge you save them. They might be requested as evidence in due time. VartanM (talk) 01:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Armenia-Azerbaijan thing

I see you are active on the issue, please take a look at the following two discussions:

• Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#List of attacks by the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia
• Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Turkics in Armenia <-> Azerbaijanis in Armenia

-- Cat 22:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

See this is how much I pay attention to that flame war. I guess you are already looking at that. I strongly suggest bringing this problem to the attention of the greater community. The clue stick needs to be swung a few times. -- Cat 00:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

White Cat

This is user is disrupting the project.

• He just attacked the Armenian genocide memorial images. He deleted the ones in commons and requested the ones on wikipedia to be deleted as well He is a known Armenian genocide denier and his actions are disruptive and insulting. I request immediate attention. VartanM (talk) 02:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

  Armenian copyright law is binding in the United States where the Wikimedia servers are. I did not write the Armenian law. I did not write Wikipedias/Commons' free content policy. I am merely enforcing all three. -- Cat 20:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

You're specific targeting of Armenian genocide memorial pictures is an insult to me as well as any Armenian. I demand that you be baned from touching Armenian Genocide related articles. VartanM (talk) 20:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to complain to the Armenian government over their copyright law. I will be the first person to undelete them if you cite me such a decision by the Armemian government. I focus on various topics from time to time. A little while ago I was deleting US license plates in bulk over copyright concerns. State License plates are not copyrighted by the US federal government and hence are copyrighted. You are welcome to rise objections on commons:Commons:Undeletion requests if you like. -- Cat 21:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Bibliographic excitement over at WP:VPT

If I can briefly digress your Talk page from arbcommish stressful stuff, there is a fun conversation at the Village Pump about bibliographic tools. EdJohnston (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Andranikpasha and ASALA

This is counter-productive; I did block Fedayee for repeating accusations of sockpuppetry. It is quite likely that there is offwiki canvassing going on here, but the article is on the noticeboards, so it will sort itself out in due course. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I dealt with sockpuppets from the Armenia-Azerbaijan nonsense for quite sometime. For example I was rather active on Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Artaxiad: (page history). I helped expose a good number of Artaxiad's sockpuppets. That #Raw_data was generated with my intervention. So yes, I have been dealing with this issue. I merely had taken a long break as dealing with this is more then stressful as you probably agree.

I did not randomly go to Penwhale, he the person placing VartanM under the restrictions and I merely pointed out identical edits by Andranikpasha. All this was before the issue was on the noticeboards.

I merely do not want any of the Armenia-Azerbaijan nonsense leaking to that specific article. Now that the problem is under scope, I do not believe we will see any more of the nonsense on that article.

I clearly am not the source of the problem here and would welcome a little more courtesy. That was the first time I used the word "sockpuppet" in months.

Is there any way I can help you regarding either this or some other problem?

-- Cat 02:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL, "I clearly am not the source of the problem". You're POV pushing on using non-neutral sources and have spilled the content dispute on administrator noticeboards and their talkpages. and you claim not to be the source of this? VartanM (talk) 02:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration clerk

FT2 mentioned that you had contacted him a few weeks ago about being an arbitration clerk. Are you still interested? If so, read WP:AC/C and WP:AC/CN and then let me know. Thatcher 03:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Montreal 24heures 01 11 mars 2005.png

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Account creation

Hi, thanks for this. Everything's working fine. Cowardly Lion (talk) 11:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Armenia-Azerbaijan 3

Per this post I have decided to notify about the case as you were an administrators active on Misplaced Pages:Arbitration enforcement. -- Cat 20:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikisource licensing of Emperor Hirohito's speech.

Thanks for the heads up. Released into PD. Cheers Manning (talk) 00:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Townsville-Burdekin School District

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Bluemarine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

As the unblocking admin, just wanted to let you know that BM has been editing outside the parameters of his unblock condition. Notified Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Noticeboard per your unblock comment diff link. Not sure if I left it in the right place there or not, please let me know for future reference. Thanks, R. Baley (talk) 08:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

And I am curious why he wasn't blocked again for his yet again violation of his unblock restrictions? -- ALLSTARecho 15:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI, the latest attack where we're all just "thuggish, self-righteous and over-bearing"... -- ALLSTARecho 09:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Missed one? ALLSTARecho 15:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Controversial deletion of article

Could John Vandenberg or Fransvannes show me a Misplaced Pages regulation which would state that a copyright permission cannot be granted retroactively. And that the work of banned users should be deleted. Yerkatagear (talk) 02:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Nagorno Karabakh: Monuments of History, Architecture and Art was a blatant copyright violation, by two users who are now banned. Move along, nothing to see here. John Vandenberg (talk) 02:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Yerkatagear, the deletion took place right after the discussions when I suggested to do all the copyedits as the topic itself is surely notable. anyways im not amazed for such a result... We can just work out a different article on Artsakh culture. Andranikpasha (talk) 02:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Starting again, without violating other peoples copyright, would be a good idea. Creating stubs about related topics is the best place to start. John Vandenberg (talk) 03:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

My question still stand: show me a Misplaced Pages regulation which would state that a copyright permission cannot be granted retroactively. I was about to get a permission, only to realize that the article was deleted. I am not sure that there was any copyright violation at all to begin with. The text in question was developed, expanded and well-referenced; there was no repetition of pics. By they way - are you an administrator? If you do not answer the first question, I would assume that you:

1. not aware of Wiki regulations, and are acting at your will or whim; in essence, this is vandalism. and please do not get me the "move along." Vandalism is a punishable offense and you will be held responsible. There was a piece of work of great encyclopedic value that was lost. 2. as many pointed out on this very page, you may be meatpuppetting or sockpuppetting for certain Grandmaster. Indeed, as I noticed too, only minutes after this Grandmaster an his suspected socks Parishan and Atabek make an abusive claim, here you are enforcing their abuse. You have confessed that you maintain a permanent link to Grandmaster, and that your behavior may be explained by routine favors that Grandmaster does to you (scanning texts for Wikisource). Get me the answers. Please. Yerkatagear (talk) 03:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I am an administrator. Stop pestering me with your false allegations. We are here to write an encyclopedia that is freely licensed, and that includes deleting copyright violations. This copyright violation came to my attention because I had been monitoring the two authors of this article, who turned out to be proven sockpuppets. Ironically, it is because Andranikpasha, Grandmaster and you commented on the talk page that I looked into it. John Vandenberg (talk) 04:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

John Vandenberg, please cease your involvement in Armenian-Az. controversies

I looked into the issue again and see that the two authors of the article (Verjakette and Bassenius) were not proven to be sockpuppets, they were qualified "suspected sockpuppet/sockmaster" -- this is a bona fide, verifiable "false allegation." sorry, but in every step of the way you do not fail to show that you are biased in the Armenian-Az. issues. I urge you to reconsider your involvement in Armenian-Az articles. Yerkatagear (talk) 22:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

According to Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Artaxiad, they were all similar enough that Dmcdevit said that they are all likely to be the same person, and Picaroon blocked them all. They were banned for abusing our Misplaced Pages:Sock_puppetry policy. You are trolling. Go contribute to our wonderful encyclopedia, otherwise I will urge others to ban you from being involved on any articles. John Vandenberg (talk) 12:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez ArbCom case

Thank you for your note on whether a person can be added to an ongoing ArbCom. I appreciate it. Wjhonson (talk) 02:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Again thank you, I was completely unaware that sub-pages existed, I didn't see it linked off the main discussion page on the RfA. Wjhonson (talk) 02:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I didn't even notice until now. Wjhonson (talk) 03:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Reblock User: Bluemarine?

Hi, could you please consider reblocking User: Bluemarine? He persists in attacking other editors despite many reasonable efforts and blocks to curb such behaviors. Latest unprovoked attacks here. Benjiboi 15:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jayvdb, there was a discussion at Misplaced Pages:AN/I#Reblock User: Bluemarine? about this. Addhoc (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I started that discussion, which was closed with directing me to the Arbcom to "Take it up there with one of the clerks" hence my posting here to the clerk on the case. Benjiboi 17:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. Addhoc (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Nobody is forced to read Bluemarines talk page, so it is in everyones best interest to keep the talk page unprotected if possible. The clerks, and others, are removing any attacks that are placed on that page. I suggest that all parties to the case stay away from that page. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply

So that I can distract vandals from wanting to vandalize. NHRHS2010 13:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you're not a vandal. When I refer 'vandals' and legitimate users see my joke, I am letting them know why the joke is there. NHRHS2010 13:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Tatev

Thanks, I checked it out and added a comment. --RaffiKojian (talk) 18:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Journal of Psychohistory

Please take a look at what I posted yesterday in Talk:Journal of Psychohistory. Thanks. —Cesar Tort 06:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Academic Journals

Hi there. Things have gone a bit quiet over at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Academic Journals (I didn't check in for a long time myself). I've started up two new subpages at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Academic Journals/Images and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Academic Journals/Scope (please see the talk pages as well), in the hope that this might generate some comment or activity. I've notified three other active contributors, but what about the others on the members list? A newsletter seems overkill at the moment, but is there a way to keep things more active? The weekly collaborations seemed to work well for a while, but maybe a monthly one is better? Carcharoth (talk) 14:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 02:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

ZZZZSTUV

I answered your question on Talk:IBM 7030 Stretch. -- RTC (talk) 07:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Bluemarine

I think it needs to be clarified and stated somewhere that Matt Sanchez the person, is banned for one year, regardless of the username or IP he used to edit. As it stands now, only "Bluemarine" is banned, yet his other username User:Mattsanchez isn't because the wording doesn't specifiy. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 04:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Nakhchivan

Hi John. We have a dispute with regard to the page move on Nakhchivan and a number of related articles. A third party opinion would be much appreciated. Please see Talk:Nakhichevan. Thanks in advance. Grandmaster (talk) 11:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks like the problem has been resolved. Sorry for disturbing. Grandmaster (talk) 17:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez

The photo the Matt Sanchez profile is using should not be used. It is the photo from my ID and i have had problems with Identity theft. I'd ask you not to use it.

I do have ownership of the other Francis Brutus photo. If that is not acceptable there's another photo I uploaded.http://commons.wikimedia.org/Image:MattSanchezchopper.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewsanchez (talk • contribs) 01:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

The above user has been banned indefinitely, and is evading his block. He has no copyright to the photo he is claiming he owns. --Eleemosynary (talk) 08:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I am well aware of that. Blocks are to prevent misbehaviour and disruption; leaving a comment on my talk is hardly a problem. John Vandenberg (talk) 09:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

His very message was a disruption. Sanchez is relaying untruths about photos he would like deleted from his article page. --Eleemosynary (talk) 10:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Eleemosynary is simply desperate. He/she/it is ridiculous moron who has never met me and knows NOTHING of who took which picture. I'm glad it has found some life meaning in editing my article, but he/she/it should step back. The original ID photo was entirely not acceptable.71.247.181.254 (talk) 08:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I have posted a report on WP:AE here and Luna Santin has now instituted an indefinite block of user:matthewsanchez. Jay*Jay (talk) 10:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

John, I don't know when you first saw the message from Matt. However, your edit to the talk page of Matt Sanchez occurred half an hour before anyone did anything about this sock. I recognise that you don't see the issue as serious, but I am disturbed that an ArbCom Clerk-in-training appears to have seen the creation of a sock puppet of a newly ArbCom-banned user and take no apparent action. No response pointing out to Matt that his new user identity is a breach of ArbCom's decision. No apparent consideration that the new user identity might do anything other than post on your talk page - after all, as you well know, throughout the case Matt was repeatedly unblocked, posted in places from which he was banned, and then re-blocked. Taking no action (or at least, no on-wiki action) when this new user appeared seems to me to be a lapse in judgement on your part, and I am raising this here (rather than at the AN/I discussion) as a more private place to suggest that you reflect on your choices here. Best, Jay*Jay (talk) 11:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I was in a meeting when I saw it. I had intended to block the user in due course, with a polite message informing Matt to use my commons talk page or OTRS if needed. I was the previous blocking admin, so I didnt expect anyone to go running off to ANI/AE over this, especially when the sock had not been used disruptively except on my talk page. John Vandenberg (talk) 12:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I know that you were the previous blocking admin, and I know the message was polite. Neither alters the fact that you chose not to act - not even a "busy, will come back to this - and Matt, you aren't really allowed to post like this" - but did choose to take other actions. Judging from the time stamps (and your comments), it appears that you saw the message, were busy in a meeting, decided that you were too busy to institute a block or to even leave a message to Matt saying "you really aren't allowed to post here, and don't post anywhere else or people will react", then (despite being in meeting) paused only to issue a warning on talk:Matt Sanchez, dropped over to Commons to defend an image created by Matt and uploaded by Elonka (who isn't a proxy for Matt), and then returned to your meeting. Do you see why your judgement might appear to be a little off here? Jay*Jay (talk) 13:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I did those actions while in the meeting, and did so because they were discussions that needed input quickly because they were heading in the wrong direction. As the contribs history of sock clearly indicates, that situation was under control. By the time I had finished drafting my block notice (this is during my meeting), the block had already been done.

I do not appreciate the suggestion that I am defending the image; I was indicating that freedom of panarama, which is usually mentioned in regards to architecture, is not reason to delete that other image. On Commons, I do not care about any issue or POV except for copyright and free content.

John Vandenberg (talk) 13:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

John, I could point to the contribution history during the case to show that the notion of Matt as "under control" is wishful thinking, but there would be no point. I posted here because I thought (and still think) that your actions were questionable. I pointed out why that was the case, and tried to illustrate why they look problematic from the outside. I understand the instinct to become defensive, but there is no need to defend yourself. Remember that my original suggestion was "to reflect on your choices". We all make mistakes, but learning from them requires we recognise them. I am simply suggesting that you ask yourself whether the response indicates that it would have been better to have acted differently - and if so, to consider the reasons behind the choices made. There is no reason for you to describe where any such reflections might lead. Jay*Jay (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

John, you might like to look at / comment on my recent post to the ArbCom discussion page here. It suggests an option that would allow Matt to raise concerns in a nono-disruptive and policy-compliant manner (if ArbCom were to implement the suggestion). Jay*Jay (talk) 03:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your edits to Life Imprisonment without Parole (LWOP)Eschoir (talk) 13:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment Drafts

Sorry. I'm done now.--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok.. I'm sorry again... I'm going to close my browser now and not look at for a few hours.--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:48, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

RFAR

Hi, is WP:RFAR#Dr_who1975 a request for a new arbcom case, or is it regarding a prior case? John Vandenberg (talk) 17:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

This is a new request. Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Have you attempted other methods of dispute resolution ? John Vandenberg (talk) 18:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Dr_who1975 requested arbitration. Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Tiombe Lockhart

Hello, John Vandenberg ... How could you possibly close Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tiombe Lockhart as Keep? That wasn't even close to the consensus! (I mean, I can live with No consensus, so Keep, but this is pure weapons grade Balognium, IMHO) ... I've never initiated a Deletion review before, but if I must get "Administrative" about this one, then it will be a New Experience for me ... Happy Editing! — 72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) _{20:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)}

Give me a few minutes and I'll go back and review. John Vandenberg (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You are right; I did see no consensus, and felt that there hadnt been enough discussion of the available resources that could demonstrate notability. There is a big backlog on AFD at the moment - my apologies for not being more clear. I have no problem with deletion if there is more discussion and it turns out those sources arnt as significant as I have quickly presumed they are. John Vandenberg (talk) 20:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

In that case, please Relist for continued discussion ... note that I am the nominator ... BTW, since you have an interest in protocols, what do you think of my Flag-templates like WP:FLAG-BIO, and my {{Flag-article}} (see Talk:Tiombe Lockhart) and {{Flag-editor}} (see User talk:MrMPS) templates? I'm going to stick a dummied {{Oldprodfull}} on Talk:Tiombe Lockhart to use as an example. :-) — 72.75.72.63 (talk) 21:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

No, there are backlogs, the discussion wasnt very detailed, so I made a judgement call. Simple as that. I suggest you do more research with the intent to prepare a better AFD nomination, and AFD it again if you are absolutely sure it can not be improved. John Vandenberg (talk) 03:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Copy that ... I have little interest in the subject one way or the other ... I am more interested in the process ... for example, that you went back and fixed the {{Oldafdfull}} says that you are the kind of conscientious editor who would also update a {{Oldprodfull}} if you encountered one,  :-)

Based on this article alone, I'm even thinking about a {{Oldcsdfull}} for flagging speedy deletions that have been declined ... a bot should flag the talk page instead of editors having to visually scan the history looking for an edit summary with "CSD" in it.

So, any comments on my proposed WP:FLAG-BIO protocol, or the smoke&mirrors draft of Template:Oldprodful? For a deletionist, I'm trying Very Hard to be a proactive contributor to Misplaced Pages by offering tools that can be used to save articles as well as delete them ...

"Most people just surf the Web; a few of us make the waves."

I HATE complicated procedures, and never do anything by hand that I can write a program to do ... I believe that's why God created programming languages.

I believe that bots should do as much of the administrative bookkeeping as possible, so I'm making templates that Some Other Editor can use, either by hand, or writing a bot to utilize them ... I wrote bots in C for Active Worlds over a decade ago, including a chat-bot based on a Fortran version of ELIZA, but I am still ramping-up on the MediaWiki tools ... and that's where I'm coming from ... Happy Editing! — 72.75.72.63 (talk) _{06:26, 9 February 2008 (UTC)}

Your ideas do have merit, and it would be great if you built the bots to go with them. I suggest you download a copy of m:pywikipedia, or one of the other mediawiki bot frameworks, and get to work. If you want to practise working with a bot in a smaller wiki with less red tape and more flexibility, come over to Wikisource and drop me a note. John Vandenberg (talk) 06:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Harlequin (color) deletion discussion

I hope you realize that you just effectively killed the discussion, which murder will result in maintenance of the current (terrible) status quo w.r.t. stub dictdef color articles. I don't particularly care, but the result is certainly harmful to Misplaced Pages. --jacobolus (t) 20:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps. Try and keep it going; if discussion doesnt keep going, come and grab me in a few days. John Vandenberg (talk) 20:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

FYI: Mississippi Election Page

• • Did you see where I wrote this before you responded:

The use of the word "declined" comes from the fact that they declined to file for the election in spite of speculation from the local media. If Steelbeard has a problem with the word "declined" then we can change it to something else, but he doesn't want to do that, he wants to remove the information entirely. If you have a problem with the word "declined" then we can usea different term but I don't want the names completely deleted.--Dr who1975 (talk) 18:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Restore of UN Security Resolutions on the Nagorno-Karabakh War

Thanks very much John, my primary motivation for the restoration of the article was to compare it to some links that user:Eupator posted in the Ehud Lesar arbitration case but I think it might have some value as an article after your rewrite. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 00:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Tool News

Maynard James Keenan has been nominated for GA and is currently on hold. It should be listed within the next couple of days. It has also been listed for peer review, and is planned for an FA nomination after a couple of reviews are completed. All help once the drive for FA begins is certainly appreciated!

In the meantime:

Thanks to everyone for all your hard work. The project is off to a great start! Lara❤Love 02:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)