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RIM-161 Standard missile 3 → RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 — Clearcut WP:NC capitalisation issue for proper noun, but one editor is unhappy with this. —GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 17:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Oppose the missile's name is Standard, not Standard Missile. Like Tarter missile or Terrier missile. --Dual Freq (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Well whenever I see the whole thing spelled out, the word Missile is capitalised. Missile does appear to be part of the name, after all, the abbreviation is "SM-3" not "S-3". --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 17:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • And it's manufacturer capitalises the M as well - http://www.raytheon.com/products/standard_missile/ --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 17:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Designation Systems articles, which we use for references: routinely us the word Standard alone, without the word missile. Navy factfile italicizes the word Standard as the missile's name, they capitalize Missile not because it is the name, but to indicate that SM means Standard missile, to illustrate the acronym. Astronautix doesn't. Not capitalizing missile is inline with the USN's previous missiles Talos, Tartar, Terrier, Sea Sparrow and finally Standard. We do not have an article called Talos Missile, Tartar Missile, Terrier Missile or Sea Sparrow Missile. --Dual Freq (talk) 22:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Encyclopedia Of World Sea Power by Tony Cullen p.249 ISBN 0517653427 has an article on the missiles, called "Standard". It begins saying "The semi-active radar homing conventional warhead Standard family of naval SAMs started development in the early 1960s as a replacement for the Terrier and Tartar systems." Not one time in the article is missile capitalized on pages 249 or 250. Most of the time it is used Standard SM-2MR or Standard SM-2ER in the text as an example. --Dual Freq (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Five questions:

1. If "Missile" is not part of the name, why is it part of the acronym?
2. While "Standard" alone may be an alternative name, can you provide any information that "Standard Missile" is not the official name?
3. Why do you trust third-party sources (DS, EA, etc) over first-party sources (Raytheon, US Navy, etc)? Surely Raytheon and USN know the name of their own missile?
4. If "Missile" is not part of the name, why is it called "Standard Missile 3", and not "Standard 3 missile"?
5. Seeing as disambiguation was not required, why did you put the word "missile" in the title at all, when you created the page? Other missiles don't do that - RIM-8 Talos, not RIM-8 Talos missile, to use your own example.

That should be enough to be getting on with, please try to answer all points. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 22:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

• Support Per the manufacturer and nominator. It appears to be part of the name of the system. Narson (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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