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Elmasry

Uttering threats is a criminal code offence and we can't casually be accusing people of that since it's a violation of BLP. The "death threat" accusation is not a generally held view as is suggested by the sentence in question but a view expressed by Tarek Fatah who said that being declared anti-Islam is "tanatamount" to a death threat. Not quite the same thing. Taken out of context misrepresents the issue. As for supporting Hamas I don't see any sources for that in the article. Please read WP:BLP, we need to err on the side of caution and not engage in hyperbole or use biographical articles as attack pieces. Reggie Perrin (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I have clarified who is making that accusation, so it doesn't appear that it is "we". I'll add sources for his support of Hamas shortly. Canadian Monkey (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't address this problem - there was an authoritative rebuttal to Fatah's claim that was parsed out. The news source for that also had this quotation from Professor Leonard Librande, professor of religion at Carleton University, in regards to Elmasry's comments and Fatah's characterization of them as a "death threat": "There's nothing particularly Islamic in this... There are differences of opinion frequently in the community. It doesn't mean somebody is going to kill you." I've added this to the section on Tarek Fatah - we cannot parse this out and use it to accuse Elmasry of uttering death threats (particularly when his comment was not "I'm going to kill you" or "someone should kill you" or "you should die" but simply a comment that Fatah is in opposition to Islam.) Saying that is a death threat is pure interpretation and there's no reason to have this information twice - once in the opening section and again in the section on Fatah. If there were multiple accusations or an authoritative source, ok, but Fatah's interpretation is not sufficient, particularly when once considers the subjective relationship between the two men.

fair enough. Canadian Monkey (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there.

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Or rather, welcome back. May I ask, what was the username of your first account? Do you still use it? <eleland/talkedits> 05:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been editing for a while without a named account. Canadian Monkey (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You are clearly not a newbie. Might I ask what articles you edited before getting an account? Tiamut 03:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I worked on the CISCO Certis article, as well as Turducken, among others. Why? Canadian Monkey (talk)

I'm just curious actually, since I noticed you editing many Palestine/Arab-related articles, such as Shuafat, Palestinian archaeology, and Mohamed Elmasry. I was wondering if we had crossed paths at those kinds of articles before. Or is your interest in this subject matter new? Tiamut 09:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I edit a few Arab-related articles, as well as a few Gaelic sports articles, and a few airport related articles. I don't believe our paths have crossed before. Canadian Monkey (talk) 12:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You mean of course, with the exception of our interaction at Shuafat where you deleted information on the psychological effects of settler violence on the children there, citing it as anecdotal. Our only two interactions so far have been you seeking to delete things I add, and I trying to defend their inclusion. (No offense.) Here's hoping that one day our soon our editing relationship will acutally involve building upon one another's edits, rather than trying to cancel each other out. :) Tiamut 12:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Our interaction at Shuafat involved me educating you about some very basic historical facts about the region (that Jordan annexed all of the West Bank after it occupied it in 1948). I hope you can indeed build upon this new knowledge. Canadian Monkey (talk) 12:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Well then, thank you very much for the education and happy happy editing! Tiamut 13:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. Canadian Monkey (talk) 14:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Ouze Merham

Please join in the discussion there and lets try to develop a consensus on how to handle the text. Right now, you're using highly partisan unreliable sources which is clearly at odds with WP:BLP. Shell 18:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I have participated on talk, addressed your concerns, and my comment there predates your message above. It seems you did not bother to read my talk comment before posting to my talk page and blindly deleting sourced material for the article. please don't do that again. Canadian Monkey (talk) 18:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Unit 101

Hey, thanks for the rewrite to Unit 101. The NPoV is doing better now =) Jacotto (talk) 22:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure. Let me know if there are other articles I can improve. Canadian Monkey (talk) 16:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey, thanks for taking the time to source my recent contributions to the Cyberstalking article, that were deleted by User:Calton. I don't think the irony of his deletions on that article, in particular, is lost on anyone! Lol! Anyway, thanks for your help. It is much appreciated. MegaMom (talk) 02:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The actual irony is that User:MegaMom is clearly a sockpuppet of User:Wyatt Ehrenfels, a crank psychologist who calls himself "Wyatt Ehrenfels", who spams the Web trying to sell his vanity-press book about with his crackpot theories regarding "cyberstalking", and who apparently feels it's okay to engage in a bit of it himself by blindly reverting my edits. --Calton | Talk 05:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

What "proof" are you looking for regarding User:MegaMom and Wyatt Ehrenfels, fingerprints and DNA? It's called "circumstantial evidence"; namely User:MegaMom's sudden unsolicited appearance in an unrelated dispute on WP:AN/I repeating Wyatt's original nutty paranoia and adding some bizarre claims about how I mistreated "her" child.

For some nutty paranoid goodness so you can compare, see this bizarre page of Wyatt's.

As far as I'm concerned, this passes the duck test, and I will continue to treat this character like the obvious sockpuppet/meatpuppet he/she is. --Calton | Talk 17:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Wyatt Ehrenfels reality check

Since I already dumped this on someone else's talk page:

As for the history of Wyatt's SEO campaign on Misplaced Pages, some pointers:

• Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive80#.22Wyatt_Ehrenfels.22 - a brief wrap-up of his activities -- including his attempts to out my personal identity
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gang stalking - One of Wyatt's pet theories.
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sci.psychology.psychotherapy and the talk page- attempts to hijack this title for his theories (This newsgroup has no FAQ on faqs.org, and I cannot find any other secondary source material apart from material which is from the same single author (User:Wyatt Ehrenfels (talk · contribs), see above) as this article is. Delete. User:Uncle G)
• Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Tai Streets/Gang stalking - attempts to hide his article in User space.
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Alt.usenet.kooks - attempts to get Alt.usenet.kooks deleted as "libel". Note anon IP article edits around the time of the AFD such as this and this
• Talk:Dream/Archive 1 - Wyatt tries to shoehorn in his crackpot theories into Dream. Includes some classic Ehrenfels paranoia and details of his vanity-press publications (...it's not only a vanity press, it's a vanity press with a bad reputation even among other vanity presses ).
• Talk:Cyberstalking - attempts to hijack this article. Note especially the contributions of sockpuppet Curt Jurgens (talk · contribs)

User:MegaMom had -- what? -- less than 350 edits over those nine months before popping up at AN/I to start retailing, verbatim, Wyatt's bizarre little conspiracy theories about me, along with some bogus -- and completely evidence-free, of course -- nonsense about how I was harassing "her" "son" on Misplaced Pages. The duck test applies, in spades: User:MegaMom is a User:Wyatt Ehrenfels sockpuppet or, at best, meatpuppet, and I'm not going to start pretending the sky is green when it clearly isn't. --Calton | Talk 17:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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User:Wyatt Ehrenfels

Hiya - I see you've reverted Calton's re-insertion of the page. He and I had discussed it on his talk page and reached what I think was a bit of a compromise. I have reinserted the tag, but amended the wording slightly - could you confirm you're okay with how the page stands now? Thanks! Giles Bennett 21:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge tag

Hi there. You placed a merge tag on Palestinian archaeology, suggesting it be incorporated into Biblical archaeology. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the fields, but many would object to viewing them as one in the same. Further, those who do view them as part of the same continuum would argue that Biblical archaeology ceased to exist and has been replaced by "Palestnian archaeology" or what some scholars call "Syro-Palestinian archaeology". I'd like to ask you to remove the merge tag, or at the very least append it to the Biblical archaeology article, suggesting its merger into the newer article; that is, if you insist on viewing the two concept as related, since most researchers in the field today reject being called Biblical archaeologists. Thanks. Tiamut 21:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm waiting for you replies at the talk page. Tiamut 21:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

And I've replied there - which is the logical place to continue this discussion. Canadian Monkey (talk) 21:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Right, except that I've replied to your reply, expanded the article with more reliable sources attesting to the distinction between Biblical archaeology and Palestinian archaeology, and removed the merge tag, which you now (immediately, I might add) restored, without responding (immediately) to my talk comments. What gives? Tiamut 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

After feedback from the RfC, I've changed the article title to Syro-Palestinian archaeology and reworked the introduction to reflect that. I'm waiting for you to agree that the merger tag can now be removed so that the article can be nominated for a DYK. Your prompt response would be appreciated, given the 5-day limit for new articles to be nominated. Tiamut 14:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think with that title it could work. The article still seems unbalanced - with a very strong emphasis on work by Palestinian archaeologists and minimal details about biblical and Israeli archeology, but that can be fixed. I'll remove the tag. Canadian Monkey (talk) 20:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Funny you would mention that ... I purposely avoided adding material on Biblical archaeology and Archaeology of Israel because of your request for a merger. I was trying to avoid overlap. Now that you've withdrawn the request, I will quite happily add more information, particularly on the latter which is covered only sparsely. Thanks. Tiamut 23:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Canadian Monkey, this edit was very poor form on your part. Not only did you make a wholesale revert to your version of this section, but you ignored my previous request to paste any sourced material that you think should be deleted from the article on the talk page for discussion before engaging in deletions. You deleted all the information I added about the Palestinian POV and the POVs of other Israeli archaeologists, and you did so while the article was being featured on the main page, without regard to the work I did trying to incorporate the material you added with scholarly material I found that provides better context. I am deeply disappointed and have expressed that disappointment on the talk page, where I am waiting for a detailed explanation of your actions. I must say that this, combined with your attempts to undermine this article from the outset (by placing an inappropriate merge tag on its first day in existence) make it very hard for me to assume good faith. Tiamut 21:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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1. "Threats force Tarek Fatah to resign from MCC". CTV News. August 3, 2006.