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== How Dare You ==

How dare you call my contributions nonsense when you people just sit around wasting your time, apprehending vandals for what? For a quixotic dream of creating a "perfect" encyclopedia. Why don't you guys check the more popular articles, such as movies, books, e.g. Harry Potter Bk. 6, instead of spending your time shooting down vandals and trolls, deleting worthless articles, finding "worthless" articles to delete, politicking, nit-picking, whatnot. Why not? WHY THE HECK NOT? Are you all just useless hypocrites, sitting around doing nothing of importance? You are here for a ''reason'', and that is '''not''' to make friends and chat all day long. That's why Yahoo Messenger was invented.

Think about it. You'll be hearing from me in the future, so I guess you better not ignore this, or I'll upload a virus into one of the media files. Either this project shapes up or ships out. I'm fed up with your relaxed behaviours, your boring routine of blocking, deleting, blocking, deleting, adding the occasional stub, when there are so many articles in immediate need of cleaning. I was under the impression that '''all''' the articles in a professional, 💕 were supposed to be grammatically correct, completely devoid of serious grammatical and typographical errors. Oh, sorry, am I wrong? Then maybe I should cease calling your project an encyclopedia. Maybe I should say "it's a jumbled-up mish-mash of facts, thrown together by people from all walks of life. Professional? Oh, it's quite far from that, really, you see..." to other newcomers. Nice turnoff, right? Well, it happens to be '''true''', unless you start the change that could spell all the difference between a jumbled-up mish-mash of facts and a professionally written and constructed source of information.

Think about it. ] 14:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

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Congo Genocide

If you're going to characterize the war in the Congo as a genocide, don't just do it in the lead to the article on Congo-Kinshasa. It should also be in the article on the Second Congo War, and in Genocides_in_history#The_Congo - especially in the first. The article on the Second Congo War should explain: why do you call it genocidal? what ethnicity was being systematically killed? by whom? Otherwise, the label of genocidal rings hollow, and is weakened. Thanks, Dosai 9 July 2005 05:04 (UTC)

Yeah, I see (but disagree with) your point, it has to come from the UN, or at least some imperialist countries (Bangladesh and Nambia, for example, not being among them), but I'm prfoundly bitter over it, nor do I place that much more faith in the statements of MONUC over Gen. Laurent Nkunda; I mistrust them both. It is MONUC's (&others) abominable actions and lack thereof which rings more than hollow.
  • http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAFR620222002?open&of=ENG-COD -- "The organization receives consistent reports of large-scale killings of unarmed civilians that are carried out, ordered and condoned by leaders using ethnic affiliations to acquire or maintain economic and political power. As a result, armed clashes between members of the Hema and Lendu ethnic groups has left an estimated 50,000, mainly civilian, dead since June 1999, and forced around 500,000 people to flee, with 60,000 displaced in Bunia, the capital of Ituri province, alone." (emphasis added)
  • http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2001/sc7186.html -- "RUHUL AMIN said he was outraged to learn of the crimes of genocide in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the extremely disturbing reports of some 750 civilians being been massacred. Armed forces continued to harass and make arbitrary arrests and there was forced recruitments and rape. He said the Interahamwe had committed a reign of terror; it was time to bring an end to such activities."
  • http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3869489.stm -- DR Congo pygmies 'exterminated.' The International Criminal Court is being urged to investigate "a campaign of extermination" against pygmies in the Democratic Republic of Congo. (6 July, 2004)
  • http://wmun2005.piranho.com/wmun/judgement_floribert.doc -- And while the judgment concluded that: "Mr. Njabu Ngabu acted in accordance with his duties under Art. 28 RS, his criminal liability for the genocidal acts of his subordinates cannot be estsablished Mr. Njabu Ngabu NOT GUILTY of the crime of genocide (Art. 6 RS) under superior responsibility as a military commander (Art. 28(a) RS)." The Court holds that Mr. Njabu Ngabu did not violate any of his duties with regard to the incident in Bunia on 6 May 2003. Due to the wartime circumstances in the region, Mr. Njabu Ngabu did not have the material possibilities to prevent the attack." *** meaning someone committed and led that attack nonentheless.
  • Google cache -- "Media echoes Nujoma's condemnation of genocide in DRC"
  • http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1340266.stm -- UN warned of DR Congo 'genocide' (2001) *** "The Democratic Republic of Congo and its allies have accused the UN of ignoring a "genocide" of 2.5 million people in the rebel-held east of the country. 'e call upon the international community, especially the UN, to condemn this genocide being committed,' said Namibian President Sam Nujoma."
  • http://www.allthingspass.com/uploads/html-UVM_Lecture.htm -- In 2004, Snow worked for Genocide Watch and Survivors Rights International documenting crimes against humanity and genocide in Ethiopia and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). His reports have influenced the World Organization Against Torture, Human Rights Watch, the United Nations and the US Government. *** he big story is Congo, Snow says, where some six million people have died since 1998. And the war started in 1996, and before that there was Mobutu Sese Seko, the dictator of thirty some years. Thousands and thousands of women and girls have been raped in Congo, but its pretty much kept quiet in the news. There's a lot of powerful mining interests in Congo, and you wonÕt believe who is involved.
  • http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=242324&area=/insight/insight__comment_and_analysis/ -- which brings us back to Njabu Ngabu: "'If you put the meetings, the financial support and the house together, clearly it’s a relationship,' Anneke van Woudenberg, author of the HRW report, told the M&G. 'There is no way AGA could have got access to the Mongbwalu area without developing a relationship with the FNI,' she added. The report quotes FNI leader Floribert Njabu Ngabu as saying: 'I am the one who gave AGA permission to come. I am the boss of Mongbwalu.' "
  • http://www.crimesofwar.org/onnews/news-congo.html -- 'Can the Inetrnational Communityavert genocide in the DRoC?' May 21, 2003] "'Our evaluation, from what we know, it could be a genocide' said Carla del Ponte, prosecutor for the UN war crimes tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda on May 13, referring to the latest outbreak of violence in the Democratic Republic of Congo."
  • http://www.monuc.org/News.aspx?newsID=2874 -- Apperently rebel leader, General Laurent Nkunda, self-corrected himself on whether genocide had taken place in Banyamulenge. *** " 'I withdraw unconditionally. I was mistaken. There has been no genocide against Banyamulenge in Bukavu,' Laurent Nkunda told MONUC officials yesterday evening."
  • http://www.monuc.org/NewsPrint.aspx?NewsID=2908 -- rebel leader, General Laurent Nkunda misquoted? *** Interview: VOA: "Apparently you told MONUC your were misguided as to the genocide of Banyamulenge. When did you find out you were mistaken?" G.N: "I didn't say that, and I was surprised that they put those words in my mouth. Once we began the war, they asked me to speak, but today at least people spoke in my place. That is what surprised me. But I never said that I had made a mistake, because until now I known there was genocide. I have the names of the victims. Until now, I am waiting for an investigation to be set up so responsibilities can be established."
And so we wait. "Just the tip of the iceberg." Anyway, I'm bound by the infamously delayed response of the UN. I was actually under the impression the German government called it a genocide, but apperently I confused their recent admittion of genocide in Namibia earleir in the Century. My argument is that there is genocide, but the powers are not interested in it being made public at this point (nor placed under a comprehensive framework), and I suppose I am bound by their ownership over the means of communication, investigation, and, erm, prevention. I lose my argument (here), the DRoC loses much more, each and every day. But that is not for us to know. Yet. Which, I suppose means, no genocidal attribution to the 2nd Congo War. Potent doublespeak, but Wikiepdia is a reliable source of info. This is why I write so little about current conflicts in Africa, one cannot stand up to the organized supression, distortion, understatement and unreliability of information; not on Misplaced Pages, which seeks to mirror the main stream media rather than attempting to go beyond it. To Misplaced Pages it is all original research. ~ Five million dead, yet somehow no appreciable number have been targetted especially, though(?) It is a lie. History will vindicate my claims. You may remove the word until such time when the turth comes out more explicitly in the mainstream. El_C 22:01, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the reading. I will remove "genocidal" from the lead to the DRoC article. You needn't be so cynical. What you have done is not original reserch - but the above is drawn from existing sources. You should write a wikipedia article (or section in the article on the Second Congo War) on "The Case for Genocide in the Second Congo War". There's a place, even a need, for such an article. It would highlight the politics involved in labelling a conflict as a genocide, and hence explain why western countries are so slow to label a conflict as such. To get things started, I copied these links to Talk:Second_Congo_War#The_Case_for_Genocide Dosai 17:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
You misunderstood me, profoundly. Also, you mistake pathos (and realism) for cynicism. El_C 09:57, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Nuclear Power Protection Lifting

Hi, hey, I think lifting the protection on Nuclear Power was premature - we're just starting to mediate in and if we re-start the editwarring in Nuclear Power then the hot emotions will spill over into our mediation. We decided not to ask for simultaneous mediations - could I ask for protection until we can get past Price-Anderson? Simesa 21:46, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

El C, we aren't actively working on mediating the nuclear power article, but some of the same disputes have occurred in both that article and Price-Anderson Act, which is being mediated. One of the main disputants has already tried to introduce disputes over the nuclear power article into the Price-Anderson Act mediation, and I have to believe that unprotecting either right now could be disruptive to progress. Thanks. · Katefan0 22:31, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
Well, it is somewhat problematic, since that article is broader than just the Act, of course, as in the science itself (many countries), and it being protected prevents editors from wroking on it in ways totally unrelated to the dispute over the Act. I'll reprotect it, but I'm going to give Ed a pointer, and am inclined to follow his opinion on this. I should have done that to begin with. My apologies. El_C 23:49, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree with your points, maybe at this point the best way to go is to initiate mediation on the nuclear power article concurrently. · Katefan0 15:00, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Reports removed from WP:AIV

I hereby award you this vandal whacking stick to help you in fighting the hordes of vandals.

I saw you removed these with the comment "seems to have subsided". Not sure I understand the comment. Reported vandalism yesterday on Misplaced Pages:Vandalism_in_progress. User was warned (the user was previously warned for vandalising Santa Claus in January), but behaviour continues. I added report to the request for intervention because of the comment on the in progress page that says reported offenders who persist in behaviour after warning should be escalated for intervention. Wouldn't that apply here? In any case, I'm not sure why this should be thought of as subsided, as this happens about once a day and all edits from the reported ID appear to be vandalism. Buffyg 12:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Responded here. El_C 12:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. FYI: it happened again today. Buffyg 09:46, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the FYI. Got it. El_C 09:52, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Your session

Yes, it definately looks like you've had a productive session! For all the vandal fighting you do, you deserve a vandal whacking stick. I'm working (very hard) to make it to 2000 edits, at which point Redwolf24 has promised to nominate me for admin! -- Essjay · Talk 12:45, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

It was much easier than it looks. Or, if it looks easy, it was. But many thanks! :) El_C 12:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Spade's RfMediation

Hey, El C. Nice of you to drop by and offer your support. When you have a moment, please drop by Talk:Watermelon and offer your opinion on the inclusion of a racist image there. I'm interested in your take on it. (I myself initially leaned toward its inclusion, but changed my mind.) Also, please drop by and weigh in on the VfD for Cool (aesthetic), if you are so inclined. Much appreciated. Paz. :) deeceevoice 02:04, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

We'll see about my inclinations :p, as for the support, not at all, you deserve it. :) Yours, El_C 10:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Moldoveana

A three-word article could be considered an article? --Vasile 10:38, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Looks like a ~ 20-word sentence to me; likely to grow. El_C 10:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

To bet on the future on this language could be very risky. Actually, there are 11,200 users trained in this language in the world. --Vasile 11:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, there are 3.6 million speakers in the world, and I am unintnerested in such bets, at any event. El_C 12:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I am not interested in your bets. The discussion here is about written Moldoveana, not about spoken Moldovan language. There are 11,200 isolated Romanian users trained to write this in a place named Transdniestr. --Vasile 15:53, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

You should add that to pertinent article/s using English sources. Please do not remove links to any .mo stubs. El_C 21:08, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Surrealist cheers

Well, that was mildly exciting. "So you are a Keith Wigdor Fan?" Yes, yes I am. Damn anti-Wigdor fanatics! El_C 23:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Funny

I like your sense of humour Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Please note that I suck at the humor almost as much as I suck at the internet, but thanks! :D El_C 23:24, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks (from a sockpuppet!)

for the revert. I have been accused of being a sockpuppet - I have arrived in the world!!! Guettarda 23:47, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

NP! You're moving up in the world! El_C 23:50, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for all the reverts, El C. Your help is appreciated. I couldn't get by without all of my sockpuppets. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:55, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
I only have one sockpuppet, SV. Except she scarcely obeys my brutal command. Schizophrenia is a harsh mistress. El_C 00:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
You're both kinda cute though. SlimVirgin 00:07, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
Kinda? :( El_C 01:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

El C, help please

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Hey El C, I'm a good friend of Essjay, but thats not why I'm here. Please take a look at User Talk:Redwolf24#You like messages. Unprovoked personal attacks. :-/ Redwolf24 00:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Any friend of Essjay is a friend of mine (I think! :p). Blocked for 24 hours for disruption and personal attacks. El_C 00:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Very unprovoked. I've had other trolls but I just revert them and they go away. Redwolf24 00:32, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Heh. Yeah, s/he was pretty talkative. :) El_C 01:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey, El C, thanks for helping out Redwolf24; I wasn't around, or I would have been all over that troll. (Granted, I can't block them yet (five more days, I hope!) but I could have at least given it a strong talking to!) I don't know why Red gathers so many, I guess it's because of all his good work welcoming; he welcomes them, they turn out to be a troll, and they go after him. I can't stand seeing a good user like Red who does so much good work around here being harassed; when I think of it, the term auto de fe comes to mind. I swear by the name of Almighty Jimbo, the trolls shall not prevail! -- Essjay · Talk 04:43, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

S/he has sent me some delightful emails, correctly criticizing my overuse of exclamation marks!1!one!! El_C 10:13, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! (more sockpuppets!)

Anti-vandalism appreciation smiley

Thank you for reverting the vandalism of my user page!!! -- BDAbramson 00:12, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Me, too. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:30, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Me, three. Grutness...wha? 00:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Likewise. Fastest rollback button in the West! Or maybe you and Everyking both... but you got in ahead of him this time. You're good! Bishonen | talk 01:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
P.S. Marry me! Bishonen | talk 01:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Thank you all so much, you've truly warmed my heart with your insane, sockpuppet jibberings! And marriage proposal accepted, again! /bows El_C 01:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
P.S. Me too! HKT 04:35, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page on the 14th of July. --Viriditas | Talk 11:42, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Not at all, any time. El_C 05:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

213.249.154.98

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Hey, El C, would you look at 213.249.154.98 (talk · contribs) and consider a vandalism block? From his talk page and recent edits, he looks like a persistent vandal. Thanks! -- Essjay · Talk 10:11, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Done.. Best regards, El_C 10:17, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Why thank you! I told you the trolls would not prevail! -- Essjay · Talk 10:18, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

That's two — two exclamation marks! El_C 10:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Have you been smoking something El C? You seem a bit giddy today... -- Essjay · Talk 10:48, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

It's a banner day for me; would you consider 84.64.48.223 (talk · contribs)? -- Essjay · Talk 12:19, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I love how he attacked me on the wrong page XD NickBush24 12:21, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

203.113.237.252

I saw you reverted Roman Catholic Church; any chance of a block on 203.113.237.252 (talk · contribs)? -- Essjay · Talk 13:34, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Let's see what s/he does next first. El_C 13:37, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

No need; User:Morwen already blocked for vandalism at the Yellow Yell VfD. -- Essjay · Talk 13:38, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, that's why the vandalism stopped. I thought maybe s/he came to his/her senses, but apparently not. El_C 13:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Yep, that was it. Do you think it's a bad thing that I'm absolutely itching to get the rollback button? -- Essjay · Talk 13:47, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

It is unfortunate your chances of winning the nomination are so slim, considering the scope and breadth of your opposition. Sorry! El_C 13:55, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I know! But I still have a slim chance; if all of the five or six hundred new users I've welcomed decide to vote for me, I might scrape by. Maybe I can borrow your sockpuppets! ; - ) -- Essjay · Talk 13:58, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

RfC SlimVirgin

Hello. You left a comment on the above RfC that contained an error. I was never involved in reverting the page. My response is here, thought you may wish to take a look.~ Neuroscientist | T | C → 11:22, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Noted. El_C 12:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I have ammended my comment to reflect for this discrapency on my part. El_C 12:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I have removed some entries under the "evidence of disputed behaviour" that had been inserted by another editor that went beyond the original intent of the RFC. I have ammended the summary of the RFC to list its two specific goals: that SlimVirgin's edit contains too many errors to be reinserted into the article and that she has held herself above any criticism of her edit. There seemed to be a misunderstanding of the scope of the RFC. Hopefully this clarifies. FuelWagon 18:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Noted. El_C 19:25, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Get a brain

Someone stole my picture! Or did I do it myself qua sockpuppet? SlimVirgin 00:48, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

Hello old friend

Essjay nominated me for Admin. Vote me in (or not) Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Redwolf24 Redwolf24 01:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

P.S. PLEASE ARCHIVE THIS PAGE it takes forever to scroll down and then that Mandel thing gets in the way :) with respect, Redwolf24

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, but was too nice to say so... ; - ) -- Essjay · Talk 02:48, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
Heh, the wishes of the peanut gallery above is my command. :) El_C 03:07, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

thanks (unblocking)

Thanks for unblocking me, and yeah I understand that someone else would of blocked me, and I was acting like an idiot yesterday, because of everything that lead to what happened today started yesterday. So I've been mad, and I'm sure I was bothering you and everyone else, so sorry. I feel kind of stupid but eh. Iamzodyourzodeveryzod 02:57, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Apology accepted, gladly. I appreciate the honest introspection. That reflects well on you. El_C 03:07, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I know my bothering again is probably unwelcome but thanks for saying that about me. So I have to say, some of you communists are alright. Okay well thanks again, and bye. Iamzodyourzodeveryzod 04:00, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

It's no bother, thank you for the kind words. :) El_C 04:02, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh and also I was reading stuff about me in your talk thing and by the way I'm a he, not a she, just so you know. Iamzodyourzodeveryzod 04:36, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Mickey654

Mickey654 (talk · contribs) is a repeat vandal; he was blocked earlier in the week for vandalism. He's acutally the latest incarnation of the troll who has been harassing Redwolf24 & I. He just vandalized Red's RfA & mine; would you consider a block?

Comments on Red's Page

Uh, El, I'm confused by your comments on Red's talkpage. I removed the autowelcomer because User:Marijuanaisbad (the brother User:Iamzodyourzodeveryzod mentioned) was using it to repeatedly welcome people, which I was having to go and revert. (He even put a message on Jimbo's page; God I hope I don't have to explain that one.) Anyhow, what exactly did you mean? -- Essjay · Talk 19:10, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Nothing, it didn't mean anything. Just image spamming in goodfaith, which I tend to do a lot lately, it seems. :) El_C 19:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, okay, I just wasn't sure. By the way, can I get some advice from you via email about a problem I'm having at the moment? -- Essjay · Talk 19:19, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Sure, email away. El_C 19:21, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice; I listed it on AN/I. -- Essjay · Talk 21:39, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, man, keep an eye out for User:MoralHighGround. Under his latest identity he is deleting styles and adding in something he calls trivia to articles like George VI of the United Kingdom. He was already banned under one identity, and may even be that Aussie asshole we clashed with, back under yet another identity and editing articles I edit. FearÉIREANN\ 22:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Racist vandalism

"If someone was to spraypaint the side of my house with that, I would repaint it --was-- the *nice* analogy. As I said, it's your talk page.)"

And there are those (like me) who choose to leave it. Besides, this isn't my "house." It's hardly the same. But what's with your selective removal of messages on your talk page? I never got that. What are you making "nice"/hiding? (Serious question.) deeceevoice 22:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I didn't want to talk about it any further, sorry for not making that more clear. El_C 23:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Not even to answer an honest question. Fine. 'S cool wit' me. deeceevoice 23:22, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

It's unfortunate you feel that way; still, I find it to be of little consequence. Sorry if I upset you, though. El_C 23:40, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I feel what way? I don't feel anything about this exchange. You're the one who seems upset. After all, you're the one who said you "didn't want to talk about it any further." I've simply asked you to refrain in the future from editing my words/submissions on my talk page -- which is a perfectly reasonable request, and you've agreed. As far as I'm concerned, we're cool. If we're not, let me know. deeceevoice 01:05, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry you feel my answer was not honest. I'm not upset, I didn't want to talk about it further because I found it to be unproductive. El_C 01:09, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

90% speak Russian

Hello El_c I found a source and I put all the info on the talk page of the Armenia article. Listen, we got off on a bad foot, the reason I said you piss me off is cause I asked you in a nice fashon that I know what I was talking about since I go to Armenia often and happen to be Armenian. And it seemed like you were making a big deal of a tiny edit, which I wouldn't bother to make a problem out of. But I'd like to hear your point of view.--Moosh88 01:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Maybe it's tiny because it's one digit, but 40 to 90 per cent is far from insignificant. Even now, with that source —which itself, has no references to anything— how do we know it's not 85 or 95 percent? Who said 90, based on what? I'm just following social scientific methodological conventions. I can't take you at your word, because I don't have time to review your work at this time, sorry. El_C 02:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok, well can you do me a favor? Keep it at 90% for a few days, I'll find you a good source within 72 hours. Oh and why do you accept 40%? Since you don't know much about Armenia you can't accept anything without proof, I don't see any proof from anyone that 40% is correct, unless you know something I don't, in which case I'd like you to let me know--Moosh88 02:24, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Sure, that's fine. Anyway, even if you were/are chair of demography dept. in Yerevan State University, I would still ask for a verifiable source just the same. I read that "about 30% of Armenians in Armenia speak Russian as second language" here, which added to my confusion. El_C 02:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

The Allman Brothers Band

Hey El C, its me again, I saw at zod's page that you like the Allman Brothers :O I love em, I just created The Best of the Allman Brothers: The Epic Years like a week ago. I didn't know they were still touring though... Redwolf24 04:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Nice! Looking good. What a great Blue Sky that is, I love it. Have you seen them live before? (I have a few times; always with Warren). Oh, and Warren is back, I mentioned that elsehwere here. What exactly happned there? Where is Dicky? Do you know what happned there? It sounded bad. I saw Gov't Mule once, too. Which was amazing. I'd like to see (and havne't) the Derek Trucks Band, I saw him sitting in with Allmans when he was 13 yrs old, I knew then that he had the gift. Both the ABB and GM are touring. El_C 05:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

User_talk:63.243.163.194

Thanks for the message El_C and for putting the warning on the usertalk page. I don't really see how I can help but if it occurrs to me I will. Inconveniently for dealing with this sort of problem, pretty much every internet connection in Syria is on a dynamic IP address as far as I know.

But in relation to the controversy at issue, is there actually a policy against adding links to non-English language sites to articles? In certain cases these links may be useful and relevant for many users, provided they're labelled as such. I don't want to express an opinion on the links that were at question here, but I can postulate that there may be cases where a large number of the people visiting a given page might be able to read such links and find them useful and informative. Palmiro 09:51, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

There is no policy, the language bit is my personal preference (and I think it makes sense, it being two clicks away via العربية). The area of policy has to do with whether the link is pertinent/notable ("his" online community). Compare, then, souria.com's forum — a main forum with ~100,000 posts— and syriapath.com's forum — a main forum with 4 posts (!). I was treating it as borderline Simple vandalism; saying, 'imagine how many online communities of that size can we expect for every country article...' (note that the fact souria.com has English content on their forum is a measure of their notability, considering the role of English language geopolitically), i.e. Misplaced Pages is not a mirror or a repository of links. But I see now that I could have been more clear on that, it just seemed so obvious. Thus, I'm not claiming any other policy with Spanish-language only newspapers for the Dominican Republic, for example, except my intepertation of npov policy (in that I think they should be on República Dominicana). I just think that, rationally, if someone speak that language, they'll wish to examine the article/external links in its most relavent language. So, for example, I wanted to add República Dominicana Secretaria de Estado de Relaciones Exteriores as an official government link, but their English Ministry of External Relations section is dead, so I didn't. Sorry for the length of this. File:Meh.gif. El_C 05:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Kim 3RR

Strictly speaking this is not a 3RR - the first removal of the topic from VFU was not a revert, even if the other three were. This was a good-faith attempt to keep the discussion from escalating. Unfortunately, it didn't work. Radiant_>|< 11:38, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, strictly speaking, it was a revert (to the version before it existed); I express a disinterest in and unfamiliarity with the intent (at the point of issuing the block, that is – afterwards, I'm all ears). The report seemed valid, I may be wrong, though. El_C 11:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks (vandalism)

Thanks for clearing up the vandalism to my talk page. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 14:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

My pleasure, any time. El_C 14:06, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

http://bendery.ru.ru/

I have a nice video report on my site about Transnistria. I do believe that many visitors would be interested in seeing it. Also there is a very tense discussion about Russian occupation in Moldavia. But unfortunately you removed my link from External links on http://en.wikipedia.org/Transnistria . Any chance that you will review your decision?

I'm afraid your own webpage is not notable enough by Misplaced Pages standards, so it counts as self-promotion, which is not permitted. El_C 14:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


I lift the shroud and make the masses proud
Crush our enemies,
Are you gonna ride with me?
Or sit in your materialistic moyogi
Race to our grave
how much more could I have gave
to the insatiable assassins that are forever laughing
like an atom cracking,
will we ever be saved?
With landmines not gold my future is paved,
love in my heart but not racist-ly raised
You want back but you never gave,
you think you're prince but you're really nave – sissy,
I bet you think you're brave
playing broke, stack your loot
the cream you save,
body boarding on light's way
The rich taunt me
specter of bill collectors haunt me
The fates of the greats leaves me undaunted
socialist dazzle mother****er and I flaunt it
Class equality and abolish poverty – I want it 
Preach knowledge with no answer, 
you speak in tongues
climb life's ladder and it has no wrongs 
My old-school compadres are spun
The rich steal my labour and my health
to bag their wealth
They got us ass backwards 
fight for the self
and not the masses,
they got us right in Congress
Anything but abolish the classes
Anything but rocking the vote of our masters
Mother****ers telling me that my vote is the answer
You simple fools
I duel your revisionism tools
You leer,
indegenous people fuc**n with cheap beer
sniffing glue,
redestroyed their world – what would you do?
My African comrades
Killed by disease and nationalism
our motherland raped and beaten by this giant mob
capitalism
Spewing fumes of death-smoke, we choke 
on consumer goods
like gunpowder-fed pits,
we kill each other in our own hoods
More and more are forced to settle in the ghetto
we whore and horde to pay the rent and fill the kettle
The rich test our mettle 
I'm an avalanche started by a pebble
I throw a rock at the devil
I rebel
In politics I meddle 
past lives several 
Esoterics,
yes, I dabble 
control the rabble 
false prophets praddle 
the lumpen cut down like cattle
In the street we battle
the bourgeois we rattle
Lift the curse
check em down from their perch  
For the truth we search at birth,
living together in harmony
I never understand why you just can't see
We'll kill you just like we did the Nazi
Let's clean the names 
of the heroes the rich besmirched
Spiritualism is valid
just make it an equal portion of the salad
Life is callous 
mass confusion
cats living in delusion
stalled evolution
each breath I taste pollution
no respect for women, 
just a cushion for the pushin'  
Lions laid and wait
and ambushes from the bushes
Watch how hard this player pushes through
in and out a pussy like a douche
he rush your tw*t like swat
he makes more than your pussy pop
leave you broken 
All to say is bambaclat
I mark 
rats, rapists, police agents and snitches
Subject deep lyrics vicious
pockets broke
mental riches
rathead bitches
capitalistic wishes
personal issues
You've never heard words like these
they're free so don’t say please
you're the host of degree disease 
Stay clam
smoke balm 
you better sound the alarm
Revolution's cold so dress warm
like millions of locus we swarm
the children of corn
destroy child porn
Heed to seed our plant
feel the impression of my stamp
--Comrade Zearle.


How Dare You

How dare you call my contributions nonsense when you people just sit around wasting your time, apprehending vandals for what? For a quixotic dream of creating a "perfect" encyclopedia. Why don't you guys check the more popular articles, such as movies, books, e.g. Harry Potter Bk. 6, instead of spending your time shooting down vandals and trolls, deleting worthless articles, finding "worthless" articles to delete, politicking, nit-picking, whatnot. Why not? WHY THE HECK NOT? Are you all just useless hypocrites, sitting around doing nothing of importance? You are here for a reason, and that is not to make friends and chat all day long. That's why Yahoo Messenger was invented.

Think about it. You'll be hearing from me in the future, so I guess you better not ignore this, or I'll upload a virus into one of the media files. Either this project shapes up or ships out. I'm fed up with your relaxed behaviours, your boring routine of blocking, deleting, blocking, deleting, adding the occasional stub, when there are so many articles in immediate need of cleaning. I was under the impression that all the articles in a professional, 💕 were supposed to be grammatically correct, completely devoid of serious grammatical and typographical errors. Oh, sorry, am I wrong? Then maybe I should cease calling your project an encyclopedia. Maybe I should say "it's a jumbled-up mish-mash of facts, thrown together by people from all walks of life. Professional? Oh, it's quite far from that, really, you see..." to other newcomers. Nice turnoff, right? Well, it happens to be true, unless you start the change that could spell all the difference between a jumbled-up mish-mash of facts and a professionally written and constructed source of information.

Think about it. Pugnavi 14:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)