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| == Sandwich KOREA == | |||
| Writter of User:Patriotmissile's source "김상열" is The Republic of Korea chamber of commerce "vice"-president. '''He is not goverment member.''' Source http://news.jknews.co.kr/people/news/20080117/6647628.htm <Br> | |||
| He was not appointed by South Korea Gov. '''You told a falsehood!!!!'''--] (]) 11:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| Sorry, I don't understand your comment. In the seaweed photo, we need to specify which type of seaweed it is. If we don't know, we simply say "seaweed" or "sea vegetables," not "gim." The photographer is most likely dead so we cannot ask that person. Regarding the berry pancake photo, we also need to specify which type(s) of mountain berries they are. I surmise that there are more than one kind of mountain berry in Korea, although the mountain berry liqueur uses a particular kind of berry (I think it's similar to a Western raspberry). The photographer is likely living so we can ask that person which kind(s) of berries were used. If that photographer doesn't know, we can ask where s/he took that photo, and have a Wikipedian go to that place and find out which berries are used by that vendor. In each case, the question should not be blanked until the question is answered, and, also in each case, the caption of each photo should be as accurate as possible. My agenda is making sure all photo captions are absolutely accurate. ] (]) 22:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | Sorry, I don't understand your comment. In the seaweed photo, we need to specify which type of seaweed it is. If we don't know, we simply say "seaweed" or "sea vegetables," not "gim." The photographer is most likely dead so we cannot ask that person. Regarding the berry pancake photo, we also need to specify which type(s) of mountain berries they are. I surmise that there are more than one kind of mountain berry in Korea, although the mountain berry liqueur uses a particular kind of berry (I think it's similar to a Western raspberry). The photographer is likely living so we can ask that person which kind(s) of berries were used. If that photographer doesn't know, we can ask where s/he took that photo, and have a Wikipedian go to that place and find out which berries are used by that vendor. In each case, the question should not be blanked until the question is answered, and, also in each case, the caption of each photo should be as accurate as possible. My agenda is making sure all photo captions are absolutely accurate. ] (]) 22:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
| This is the first you ever said "I induced the species from the shape of the seaweed in the old picture and from my knowledge." Regarding the other things, it still is important to know the exact types of berries and vinegar. Koreans do have exact names for specific berries and vinegars, as they were historically not less exacting than |
This is the first you ever said "I induced the species from the shape of the seaweed in the old picture and from my knowledge." Regarding the other things, it still is important to know the exact types of berries and vinegar. Koreans do have exact names for specific berries and vinegars, as they were historically not less exacting than West | ||
| It's not proper to call another Wikipedian "annoying." ] (]) 23:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| That is what we call an edit such as . It's not an opinion. ] (]) 23:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Had you determined which berry/berries they were, and added that information, that would have been proper. As you see, I am pursuing this information with great energy at this moment. ] (]) 23:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Kim Ki-young question== | |||
| Hi, Appletrees. I'm gathering information for working on the Kim Ki-young's biography, and have started stub-articles on most of his films. There is one confusing thing about his last film(s)... KMDB lists two films: Angel, Become an Evil Woman (Cheonsa-yeo agnyeoga doela)(1990) and An Experience to Die For (Jug-eodo Jo-eun gyeongheom)(1995). If you go to the articles for these films, both titles are given as alternate titles to the same film. Other sources, such as IMDB, list these films separately also... Can you tell if these are actually two different films? Is the 1995 film a re-make or a re-edit of the first? ] (]) 02:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks. It looked like it could have been a re-make, re-edit... But articles about the director written about the time he died say that he hadn't made a film for about a decade. It makes it look like the 1995 date is an error. ] (]) 03:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, Appletrees. Right-- I think the GA/FA goal is long-term for now. We'll get there before too long, and I'll start on the Kim Ki-young biography this weekend. That may be the first I'll try to get up to GA standards, since I'm finding a lot of info about him. For now, with all the film stubs, I'm trying to fill in the huge emptiness in Korean cinema before about 2000. It looks like people have been starting articles on whatever film is popular right now, which is perfectly fine, but we've missed a lot of important films from the past-- even the recent past. So I'm trying to get stubs started on some of those, and once they're there we can work on improving and expanding them. I'm finding this work very interesting and a lot of fun. Cheers! ] (]) 16:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I've never seen any Kim Ki-young films. I've asked my local Korean DVD shop, but they carry mostly popular stuff. I'll look for some. He sounds very interesting, like the kind of director that I usually like. One advantage that he has over Im Kwon-taek is that, being dead, we may be able to get by with putting up a nice Fair Use picture of him. ;) ] (]) 18:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::No, I lived in Seoul before the Kim Ki-young revival started, so I miss a chance to see his films then. I got to see ''Sopyonje'' on first-showing though. The Korean DVD shop I go to is just a small neighborhood shop that sells current, popular stuff. They ordered some older Im Kwon-taek films for me, and I see no one else is buying them... :( I'm sure films by an old, strange director like Kim Ki-young would just sit on their shelves, so I'll look for some of his movies online, it sounds like they must be on DVD... at least ''Housemaid'', I would think. We'll probably visit Korea and Japan again this year or next, and I'll search for sources there too. ] (]) 20:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == hi == | |||
| I saw your message and I also wonder if you think I just take whole paragraphs making edition. That is not, though. But if you think so, I will be more careful. Thanks.(]) 17:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : oh Never... I understand deeply. I will take your guideline as far as I can. I firstly sign in wikipedia english so I hope it would not make you misunderstand. (]) 20:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Manhwa == | |||
| No, I'm really not interested in manga/manhwa. My wife is, and has a large collection of both Japanese & Korean comics though-- mostly women's & cooking comics. I just saw you were having a little trouble there, so added some sourcing I found. I'll keep my eye open for more, and I'll add it if I find it. Cheers! ] (]) 20:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi again, Appletrees. While researching for my work on Kim Ki-young, I came across . It appears to be a VERY lengthy and in-depth article on ], star of '']'', etc. This would be a very good start for an article on a Korean film star from the older days. If you want to start one, based on this news article, I'd certainly be happy to help! <small>''(hint! hint!)''</small> ] (]) 00:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Great, Appletrees. Sounds like it'll be a lot of help for an article on this actress, and maybe for a few quotes or points of interest on Kim Ki-young. There's no rush to get this started though-- I'll print it out and take it home for my wife to help me read it, and use what I can later. OK-- trying to find a picture of the director, then I'll be off for the weekend. Happy editing! ] (]) 01:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello == | |||
| Ta for your invite onto Wikiproject Korea - I doubt I can help very much, I'm British and I know very little Hangeul, but I can probably add something from time to time on Korean filmmakers and maybe actors - which I will do on some of them, as I often look them up. I wouldn't worry about my username BTW - I realise it could look a bit strange, but I doubt people will worry very much about it! ] (]) 23:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == An Jung-geun == | |||
| Regarding this edit summary; be very, very careful what you label "vandalism," especially when you are the one removing wording and references. It's not ] and can be construed as a ]. ] (]) 09:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Perhaps you are unaware that '''rvv''' stands for '''revert vandalism'''. If you are not calling it vandalism, then you need to stop using abreviations that don't apply. Oh, and you're very close to a 3RR violation. ] (]) 10:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well, the source you removed was the book ''Ethnic Nationalism in Korea'' from Standford University Press, so your objection isn't even valid. ] (]) 10:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::First of all, you need to read the BIG ORANGE BANNER on my talk page. Don't post there again about this topic. Second, you need to look at the edit history of the page; I didn't add the citation originally, I'm merely reverting your blanking of a source. Third, you are welcome to give any warnings you choose; if you really feel that I've been out of line I suggest taking it to the appropriate noticeboard. ] (]) 10:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Pairadox, Please don't lie == | |||
| '''Note''': This thread is relocated from ] by ] because of his strong object and his own rule --] (]) 10:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Please be careful if you want to add some reference. The reference which Gettystein provided is "false" and "wrong". The pan-Asianism title is only for ], not for ]. You clearly did not check the reference. And don't label me uncivil. I didn't say that Gettystein and you vandalize the page. Please don't lie. Did I say you vandalize the page? But you certainly made an error as putting the wrong citation. | |||
| "Theory of Eastern Peace," was said to have assassinated Ito Hirobumi, '''a key Japanese promoter of pan-Asianism''' who later became architect of the protectorate treaty and first residency-general in Korea, because Japan violated its promise of Asian solidarity. (35p) ] (]) 10:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't believe that general rvv is regarded as a vandalism in wikipedia and please don't push your own thought. You inserted "false citation" which is regarded as vandalism. I could've gave you a warning sign. Besides, your attitude is clearly a violation of WP:CIVIL unless you are unaware of it.---Appletrees (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::You can't force to follow your rule! | |||
| ::Is that all your rationale for your insistence to inserting factual error to the article? Remember, introducing factual error is regarded vandalism'.--Appletrees (talk) 10:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| (outdent) Look, I have no intention of getting drawn into an ego contest with you. I've just reviewed your contribution history and I'm sure that's a contest I'd lose. If you have a problem with the source, you need to bring it up on the talk page of the article. This is about you labelling my revert vandalism, something about which you aren't going to relent. I think we're done here. Any talk about validity of sources should take place on the article's talk page. ] (]) 11:16, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ha, you falsely accused me of labeling someone with incivility and then reverted my edit. And then you removed my comment from your page as if you cleaned up a vandalism. Do you really think that people in dispute with you have a time to look through your orange banner? It didn't get into my attention at all. Your rule is only for your convinience. Please don't push your standard to everyone and don't lie on me. And once you reverted the edit, you have to take the responsibility for what you have done. You support his factual error and didn't even read the citation. My removal of his error is not blanking. Gettystein did blank the valid citation and you even falsely accused me of doing that? Please be civil and try to be neutral. If you can't, why don't you step back from the article? --] (]) 10:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :One last thing: from ] - ''"Some Wikipedians abbreviate "revert" as "rv" and "rvv" when reverting vandalism."'' ] (]) 11:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Then I really removed the vandalism. And you didn't check it. Please don't insist your rule and I warn you, don't alter my page without my permission.--] (]) | |||
| :::I apologize for trying to put the posts in chronological order rather than the semi-segregated confusion it is now. I will, of course, leave that to your discretion. ] (]) 11:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::What a sarcasm. --] (]) 13:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello == | |||
| <small>copied from ]</small><br> | |||
| Hello, Pairdox, I come to here to say something. I thought that you support the wrong version and are not neutral to meditate the article. But after reading some discussion at the talk page, you have tried to solve the conflict between the two party. I didn't really mean to label you as a vandal, but to you, my summary made the impression as such, so I sincerely apologize to you for my misunderstanding. I admit that I confused with rv and rvv. I thought rvv means "revert the revert" (two step prior version). Thank you for letting me know not to make a mistake. Bye--] (]) 10:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you. That really means a lot. ''':)''' ] (]) 10:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Sock puppets == | |||
| I created a sockpuppet report asking other uninvolved admins to look at your situation and take action. Please make any comments, answer their questions, and add any needed evidence there. ] 17:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == My Rfa == | |||
| ] was unsuccessful, and I'll do what I can to ensure your opinion of my suitability for adminship improves. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--] 05:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Dong-a Ilbo articles/interviews== | |||
| Hi, Appletrees. I noticed you added one of those Dong-a Ilbo articles to the Ahn Sun-gi article. I've compiled a list of them, links and titles, . You might want to look through them and see if there is anything that would be useful for current or future articles. It looks like an excellent series of pieces for Korean cinema. ] (]) 00:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, Appletrees. The Kim Ki-young article is done to about 1960/''Housemaid''. I'll try to fill in the rest this week, then start polishing it. Hopefully all will go well and it'll be our first Korean cinema GA. ] (]) 17:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, Appletrees. When you get a chance, could you take a look at the KMDB biography of Kim Ki-young , and let me know if there are any interesting biographical facts. I see there is a lot of naming the films he made, which I don't need, since I have a lot of information on them from other sources-- biographical information is what I'm searching for. (There may be a slight question about his place of birth-- every source I've seen says that he was born in Seoul and raised in Pyongyang. However Lee Young-il's ''The History of Korean Cinema'', which is generally reliable, says that he was ''born'' in Pyongyang. I am assuming that this is a mistake on Lee's part though.) Thanks! | |||
| ::Also-- Am I reading this correctly? Is a list of contemporary, print newspaper articles on Kim's films? If so, KMDB is an even greater resource than I thought before! PC78 also have a question about KMDB. They show thumbnails of many good images, but we cannot access them because we are not members of the site. Do you know what the requirements are for membership? ] (]) 20:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Many thanks again, Appletrees! The poem that was published in the Japanese newspaper-- that was in Japanese language, I assume? Right-- I see now that the newspaper citation do not contain the text of the article... At least they will show evidence of coverage in the local press at the time anyway, in case any of these articles are ever nominated for deletion. I'll ask my wife about the 주민등록증, but if she had one it's probably invalid now. At the time we were married, the government took her name off the family registry (because of marrying a foreigner). She didn't take U.S. citizenship until just a couple years ago, so maybe it's still valid, but I doubt it. Anyway, thanks for the help! ] (]) 22:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Question: You put in "Kim founded Kim Ki-young production and Sihan Munye film" in the 1970s section... I see Kim's third film, '']'' produced by "Kim Ki-young Productions" in 1956, but some later films, such as '']'' are produced by "Shin Han Films Co., Ltd." Do you know if this is the same company? (Maybe just the name for Kim's own production company, largely financed by his wife?) ] (]) 00:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks... Hmm... Well, if he founded the one in 1956, then a different one in 1979, and the 1956 company is not mentioned after the 1979 company... I guess they're both just his names for his own production company? ] (]) 00:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::OK-- I'll copy that cine21 biography and take it home to help work on the article this week. With a Korean-English dictionary, it should be a lot of help. Thanks! ] (]) 00:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==See talk page== | |||
| " Discuss first before reverting" What are you talking about? | |||
| I wrote my idea at ] and waited for a while. Nobody objected. So I changed the caption. If you have some opinion, you should write at the talk page not at the eddit summary.--] (]) 13:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Your request to Thatcher == | |||
| I don't think it's much use. The anon was editing on a day when Opp2 wasn't active. Since it's a dynamic IP, there'll be nothing to link it to the IPs Opp2 has been using since his return, over and above the fact it's the same ISP, which we already know. If there was anything else Thatcher could possibly find out, he'd probably already have told us. ] ] 15:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==KMDB== | |||
| Hi, Appletrees. Just to let you know-- My wife's 주민등록증 became invalid once she took US citizenship a couple years ago. She thinks her sister may let me use hers for access to KMDB though-- If I gain access to the site, I'll let you & PC78 know. Cheers! ] (]) 19:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :About Kim Ki-young's birth-neighborhood: Do you know if Gyo-dong is present-day Donggyo-dong / Seo-gyo-dong in ]? ] (]) 21:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::OK, thanks... It might be useful to find out the current name of Gyo-dong, to place Kim's place of birth more accurately... I'll look around for it. ] (]) 22:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Great, Appletrees. (I have no idea how combining the two districts would "terminate" Korean culture... but I'm certainly glad they failed!) Anyway, we can now correctly say he was born in the current neighborhood of ]? If so, I'll put it in the article with a citation to this university source. Thanks again! ] (]) 22:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Also-- thanks for moving the Korean article to a more correct name (I assume that was you). I hope you can expand the article, since creating it used up all of my Korean language writing ability. Cheers! ] (]) 22:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Thanks again. Very interesting-- Yes, it sounds like just the type of tactics that were employed at that time... I've been meaning to start an article on Im Kwon-taek's ''Jokbo'' which tells about similar, more drastic things-- the family name-changes. (Or have I started that already?) Anyway, I don't think we need to put in much about the Japanese occupation in the Kim Ki-young article, since, apparently, Kim himself was not affected by it any more than the average Korean citizen of the time. (It's not like he joined the resistance and was jailed and tortured, like Na Woon-gyu.) I do have one question about it though-- One source says that Kim returned to Japan in 1945 to avoid military service. How could this be? It seems like, with that being the most desparate part of the war for Japan, that they would have been putting every male into the military... If you can find a source that explains this, I'm sure it would help the article, since this is the kind of question that comes up at a GA review. ] (]) 23:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Yes, I also noticed he seemed friendlier to Japan than usual for Koreans of his generation, for whatever reason. But there's no need for us to judge him at the article, just to get the facts straight. I'm sure he did what he had to do to get by. And, after all, he was an artist, not a politician, so his political views are pretty irrelevant. ] (]) 23:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Input requested == | |||
| Please provide a summary at ] - thanks much. ]<sup>]</sup> 17:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Iodo (film)== | |||
| Thanks for the note, Appletrees. Yes, ''Iodo'' looks like one of Kim's best and most interesting films. It's probably the one I most want to see, after ''Housemaid'' (though ''Killer Butterfly'' sounds pretty interesting, as do many others...) Just looking at those stills, it's amazing Kim was able to film this in South Korea in 1977. says it has one of the most shocking scenes in all of Korean cinema-- and, you may have guessed, I enjoy strange and bizarre elements in cinema. Please add all you can to the article. I'll keep an eye on it and do what I can for it as well. I've been working a little on other articles, but I'll try to get the Kim Ki-young article finished, first-draft, by Tuesday. Cheers! ] (]) 17:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks for the advice == | |||
| I knew I ran out of my 3RR. This is just ridiculous. I've dealt with POV-pushers before but none of them had the audacity to add a fact with a source that blatantly contradicts his claim. ] <small> (])</small> 21:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks. On a brighter note, you know you are doing the right thing when tendentious editors are angry at you. When people leave me unpleasant comments on my talk page, I just mark them and hide them so that I don't have to see them again. ] <small> (])</small> 21:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I can't thank you enough for informing me of this Rfcu case. Do we even live in the same country? This is ridiculous. ] <small> (])</small> 22:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Well.. It looks like someone has been blocked I'm surprised that obvious sock accounts like Amazonjoke hasn't been blocked yet. ] <small> (])</small> 13:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Kim Ki-young== | |||
| Hi, Appletrees. I've just finished first-draft of the article. I had a personal suspicion that Song Il-gon may have been influenced by Kim, especially since, like Iodo, he sets two films on small islands near Cheju-do (and isn't there an island-- Parangdo?-- which is in both Kim and Song's films?...) This was pure guess-work on my part, but I've found a user comment which says, "I still remember when he got Grand Prix at Seoul Short Film Festival in 1998. In that time, Kim Ki-Young, the director of and chair of festival committee, urged that Grand Prix should go to Song. A genius recognized other genius." I think this would be very interesting to add to the Song Il-gon article, and maybe Kim Ki-young also, however a user comment is not a reliable source for this kind of information. I'll look for English sourcing for this (that Kim was director of the festival, and that he wanted Song to get the Grand Prix). But maybe it would be easier if you could find a Korean source? Also, about Gyo-dong/Jongno-gu at article. I'd like to add that information, but, since it's in Korean, I'd like to put an exact quote from the article that states old Gyodong is now in Jongno-gu. I couldn't find an exact quote which states that myself, maybe you could? It's been fun working on this article-- I'll spend the next week touching it up (I think we need a better caption for the image-- when and where the picture was taken), and then put it up for GA review next week. Cheers! ] (]) 23:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Also-- I think an image of the 1997 Pusan International Film Festival-- either a photo of Kim, or a program cover on the Kim retrospective-- would be nice. I haven't been able to locate one online. ] (]) 23:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks Appletrees! I'm only online for a couple more minutes today, but I'll work on touching up the article starting tomorrow. Thanks for the help and encouragement! ] (]) 00:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ===Gyodong=== | |||
| Hi, Appletrees. I'm sorry to be so picky about this minor detail... I do think it is appropriate and interesting to know the location and current name of Kim's birthplace, but I still can't quite find an exact quote that says where it is... The article has a lot about the Japanese changing the names of places, which is very interesting and important for Seoul history (maybe there is or should be such an article on Misplaced Pages), but I don't think we need to go into detail about this at Kim's article, especially since it's already large. Anyway, the most pertinent sentence I find in the article is "경운동은 원래 교동과 석정동이라는 이름을 경운동이라 바꾼 것이다." which I make out to say, "Kyeongun-dong was created by changing the names of places originally called Gyo-dong and Seokjeong-dong into Kyeongun-dong." So we know Gyo-dong became Kyeongun-dong, but I can't see where the text says where Kyeongun-dong is... The Korean wiki artile on lists all the current "동"s in Jongno, but Kyeongun-dong is not one of them. I do find Kyeongun-dong at the article on , and an English Google search on "Kyeongun-dong" brings up a few addresses, "Kyeongun-dong, Jongro-Gu", so I have no doubt that it is true-- Old Gyodong is now in Jongnogu, but how to source it? I think we can combine a source-- the first article showing that Gyodong became Kyeongun-dong, and then a second source showing that Kyeongun-dong was (or is?) part of Jongno-gu. I hope I'm not being irritatingly picky about this-- having lived in Seoul for a few years, I find this all very interesting. ] (]) 19:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm finding more hits on "Kyungun-dong"-- it's near Insadong, right? One of my favorite places... But I'm still just finding business addresses, etc. ] (]) 20:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: we have Mingadaheon (Min’s club), address: "''Gyeongun-dong'', Jongno-gu ,Seoul"... Again, there's no doubt Gyeongun-dong is in Jongno-gu now, but this isn't a very good reference source. Maybe I'll go look for some print maps of Seoul... ] (]) 20:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks, Appletrees! My search for English evidence turned up nothing, but the Jongno link you provided pointed to article on 경운동, with this information: "...교동은 경운동·낙원동·종로2가~종로3가에 걸쳐 있는 마을이다." which I make out as: "Gyodong Village is (now) Kyeongundong and Nakweondong, which make Jongno 2nd Street and Jongno 3rd Street." Please let me know if my translation is wrong. If my interpretation is correct, I think this will work fine as a source... Whew! ] (]) 22:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Good, we got that problem fixed! Thank you for the DVD box information! I'm going to have to find a good Internet source for Korean DVDs, since the shop I go to mainly serves ''ajumas'' who like current soap-operas and light comedies... I had strong suspicions that there was a connection between Song and Kim-- '']'' mentions ] (if I remember right), and so does Kim's ''Iodo''. Also Song's '']'' seems to have a connection with ''Iodo'', though since I haven't seen either movie it was just a guess. Also, some of the most memorable moments of '']''-- like the little girl floating up into the sky in the forest flashback-within-a-flashback, or the policeman's cell-phone playing the '']'' warning the criminals just before an extremely brutal and bloody arrest-- have the kind of bizarre/surreal/fantastic touch that is so important to Kim's style. ] (]) 23:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Next question-- In the article I have the phrase "]'s dictatorial rule"-- a paraphrase of one of the sources. Is this too POV? Or is it generally agreed his rule was "dictatorial?" The Wiki-article says, "As president, Rhee assumed dictatorial powers even before the Korean War broke out..." ] (]) 00:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :OK-- I'll re-phrase it. ] (]) 00:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::"marking the end of the rule of the ] Syngman Rhee through the civilian April Revolution"... Better? ] (]) <small>—Preceding ] was added at 00:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :::Well, my own understanding-- maybe it's just a personal distinction-- is that "strongman" is a little softer than "dictatorial". Wiki's definition implies they're interchangeable. Do you have a better way of putting it? My understanding is that he was a strong ruler, but maybe not strong enough to be called "Dictator"-- except by those with a strong political opposition to him... ] (]) 17:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::On further thought, maybe we should follow Kim감독님's example, and avoid politics as much as possible. I'll try to re-write this section to show only how these administrations affected the film community... In that case "oppressive" will be applying not to the whole country, and the leaders' way of ruling the country, but to how free or how strict these leaders were towards film-making... Maybe that will work. ] (]) 18:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No problem-- I think we're best off not making a judgment on the president himself in this article, just on how his policies affected Kim & filmmaking in Korea. I know he was good for Korean cinema in the '50s-- he encouraged the industry, but sources say that after he was taken out of rule, filmmakers took advantage of the situation to make some of the more daring films of the time. And that situation stopped with the leadership of Park Jung-hee. Anyway, I'll continue touching up the article today and tomorrow, and maybe ask someone more familiar with Good Article review to look over it then. ] (]) 19:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Don't worry about that, Appletrees, I see the nasty sock trouble you've got, and wish you good luck there. I really appreciate your input and help on this article. About the lead, I agree with you-- I think the lead should summarize the subject in just a few sentences. But the only other GA I've done so far-- ]-- went to GA review with a small lead. I was told then that the lead needed to summarize the entire article. Anyway, if I'm told to cut the lead down, that will be easier than making it longer.... ] (]) 20:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Baeksang/Hanguk Awards== | |||
| One more question, Appletrees: I find many sources which say Kim won the Baeksang award in 1973 for best director, for '']''. But Lee Young-il does not mention this award, instead he says Kim won the "Hanguk Play and Film Art Award" in 1973... but no other source mentions this. Is it possible that these are the same award? ] (]) 20:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :OK-- I answered this on myself-- says "Hanguk Play and Film Awards sponsored by the Hanguk Daily Newspaper and established in 1965." and says "the Baek Sang Art Awards (run since 1965 by the Hankook Ilbo"-- so they're the same. ] (]) 21:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Sorry, I didn't catch that, but you already solve it! ^__^ --] (]) 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hey-- if you think the article is too long now, look what I just found: ! I'll have to get it for my own interest. Later on, when we try to get it to Feature Article quality, this will be very useful! ] (]) 22:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == New articles == | |||
| It is customary to gather your information first, before creating an article. ] do not include the subject's own website or writings, for obvious reasons. If you have reliable sources, recreate the article once you have them ready to be part of the new article. --] | ] 22:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re: Thanks== | |||
| No problem, Appletrees-- You may have noticed my first main area of editing is in Japanese pornography, a subject which is constantly targeted for deletion, so I've learned quite a bit on how to deal with this sort of thing. Orange Mike is right though-- the best way to ensure an article, even a new stub, is not deleted is to provide sourcing. If you need help again, just let me know! ] (]) 23:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :No-- I'm on the wrong coast. It looks like Kim Ki-young is being revived again though. I look forward to the DVD-release. This website that has the books might get it. ] (]) 23:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sock puppet report== | |||
| I have moved your report from ] to ]. Please watch that page. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Kim Ki-young== | |||
| Hi, Appletrees. I have good news and bad news... I was just about to submit the article for GA review (I couldn't find that negative criticism I thought I saw before), when I came across very good English biography, interview and ! Now I'm going to have to go through the article again and add information from these sources! GA review? Maybe tomorrow?! ] (]) 00:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you very much, Appletrees! I read through the new biography last night and was happy to see that I had got the whole basic story right, from picking up pieces here and there at other articles. (I'm actually glad I didn't find this one earlier, because I would have probably basically copied/paraphrased it. I learned a lot more by searching for one fact at a time here and there.) The new biography did have some specific dates and some information about his family, which I've added to the article. I did find those negative comments about ''Yangsando'', so I've put them in. I really think the article is good enough now to pass GA, and all this new information we're finding can be added later, when we try to get it up to FA status. I'll check through the new comments/suggestions, finish up tinkering with the article, post it later, and submit it for GA today. After that, I'll take a little break from Kim Ki-young. Maybe look for another GA to start, start more film stubs (lots of very important films still need starting), or something else. I'll order that book on Kim Ki-young later (I see they have several similar books on other Korean directors also), and if you keep up your research, once we have it as a GA, we'll have lots of information to put it up to FA. Thanks for all your help! Cheers! ] (]) 17:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I've added a little from the Cine21 article. Maybe that's enough for now-- I'm sure we could keep adding and adding until we have a book on him! The only thing I think the article is really missing is a good quote from Kim. Neither of the two interview articles I showed you above have a good quote from the director summarizing his philosophy or style of filmmaking... The one you show-- "I don't do art, but just play with film as my hobby"-- is OK, but not really long enough. I'd like to put something like that in a block quote in the article. Maybe I'll find one later in the 144-page book. ] (]) 19:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks for the quotes. I'll see if I can make out anything that might work as a block quote/statement, then maybe we can work out a translation. If not, the article is probably ready to go as is. ] (]) 20:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I answer it to your talk page. I think “인간의 몸을 자르면 검은 피가 나온다” describes what kind of film Kim Ki-young had made.--] (]) 20:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks a lot, Appletrees! How does this sound? | |||
| ::"I'm a scientist specializing in medicine. That makes me close to a technician... As an independent producer, I have to be a type of skilled laborer. There were many times that I had to make a film quickly. At those times, I kept entertainment-value in mind. Not once have I made a film for the sake of making the film itself. My taste is in looking through the camera. Filming happens to correspond with that taste. Art films are what ] makes. That's because director Yu wants to make art films. I just make films by following my heart, so the analysis I leave to all of you." (나는 의학을 전공한 과학자란 말이지. 그게 나를 테크니션에 가깝게 만들었어... 자기제작방식이라는 게 내게 일종의 숙련을 요구했지. 단기간에 빨리 만들어야 하는 경우도 많았고. 그러다 보니 흥행이라는 것도 많이 염두에 뒀다. 나는 영화를 의식해서 만든 영화는 한편도 없다. 카메라를 들여다보는 것은 내 취향이다. 취향에 맞으 니까 지금까지 만들어온 거다. 예술영화는 유현목 감독이 하는 것이다. 유감독은 예술영화를 만들고 싶어하니까. 나는 그저 내 마음 가는 대로 영화를 만들었으니 분석은 여러분들이 해주기 바란다). | |||
| ::If there are any huge errors, let me know. Otherwise, I'll go ahead and post it, then put it up for GA-- the end of the day draws near, and I want to get it there today. (My previous experience with GA showed me we may have to wait over a month to get any input, but at least we can relax and start on other projects in the meantime...) ] (]) 23:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::OK-- done! (?)] (]) 23:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Hmmm... The alignment looks good on this computer-- I adjusted the settings till I got it right. It probably looks different on different screens... If you know a way of fixing the settings so they'll look good on all screens, please go ahead and do it-- I'm not very good at that sort of thing. I suggest we don't edit the article except for small formatting things like that though, since stability is one of the criteria for GA. ] (]) 23:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Thanks! That's a small matter anyway-- whoever reviews it can let us know how to fix it if need be. Whew! Time for a break, and time to think about new things to edit! Take care, I'll be back online next week! ] (]) 23:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I was wondering if you had any opinions on this (specifically regarding the selection of Korean films). Currently, the ten Korean films on the list are selected solely on the basis of user votes on IMDb. I've already raised several concerns on the talk page, but some other opinions (of any kind) would be helpfull. Regards. ] (]) 04:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you for letting me know of this. I will input my thought on that.--] (]) 12:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: Your RFCU case == | |||
| Hi, I had a chance to have a look at the case you filled, and to be honest it badly needs formatting, and I'm a bit afraid to do it because I'm not sure of who is in which group and did what. If you find the time, can you go back and edit your message to explain clearly the rationale behind each check. In this state, I'm not sure a CU will perform the checks if they are not sure of what they should be looking for. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 13:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you for the advice. I'll format it tider than the current one. --] (]) 13:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Did I? woops sorry then! Errr, I can't find the people I removed by looking at the diffs. Can you double check and readd them? (Sorry for "crap", it's just policy for clerks not to comment on the merits of a case and therefore arguing on my talk page is just a waste of time and bytes) -- ] <sup>]</sup> 15:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Open Proxy nightmare== | |||
| There are several quick answers; | |||
| #There might be an adaptive firewall that blocks Cluebot's IP port scan, which when done by someone from another IP that's not blocked will come up with the "right" answer. | |||
| #The suspected proxy may actually be an open TOR (had a slew of those about a month ago if I remember correctly) | |||
| #Cluebot gets bad input information (like missing digits) | |||
| #Sometimes a messup in a software programme on the server, Microsoft's Remote Desktop Protocol, may leave a port "open" to a null username and password (or sometimes in other software a "default" setting), which in effect is an open port. We'll often e-mail the findings to the network admin & let them know, as it's easily fixed. | |||
| #Some users have access to AmiDaniel's tool (not me) that does a more vigorous scan of the IP | |||
| I'm sure there's more, but those are the ones that come to mind right off. ] (]) 20:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Re:You impersonated me == | |||
| Misplaced Pages is not a place for battle ground. You've seen that I equally gave warnings to both parties, but you really act like a twin of Koreakorea1. You or Koreakorea1 inserted wrong statics or blanked information unrelated to statics. Why? I don't think the new advent of open proxy users are coincidence. You or your friend extend edit warring not only in English wikipedia but also 12 other language places. | |||
| And why did you intentionally copy and paste my comment to others? --] (]) 16:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| 1, There is not wrong statistics and blanked info in the article of south korea. If there are, please tell me. <BR> | |||
| 2., Simply I felt it was suitable sentences to warn. Why are you so heating up?<BR> | |||
| 3, Probably you are saying about the article of South Korea. I saw the article of South Korea in other major languages(Deutsch, Español, Français, Nederlands, Português , Suomi and 中文), but I can not find out the edit war in these languages. Please tell me which 12 languages, I'll check them. There is many languages having the article of South Korea.--] (]) 11:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Proposed change to {{tl|Proxyip2}}== | |||
| I'm looking for input from recent ] users regarding the above template. your input on ] would be appreciated, if you have any preferences regarding the TOR link in the template. ] (]) 04:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Same old Misplaced Pages== | |||
| Hi, Appletrees, I've been so hectic for a while. Thank you for leaving me a message in my box. As expected, Misplaced Pages has never been changed. I will help you remove irksome bugs messing up Korea-related articles whenever I can do so.] (]) 02:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 11:29, 19 February 2008
Meatpuppet?
Bouncehoper: What the crap is a meatpuppet?
Baegis: A marionette that subsists on a diet solely of meat and its derivatives.
Bouncehoper: ...How is that different than a sockpuppet? (also, makes me hungry....)
Baegis: Sockpuppets, of course, eat cotton products, which are severely lacking in nutrition and deliciousness.
Bouncehoper: How....strange....lol. thanks!
from Baegis's talk page
Sandwich KOREA
Writter of User:Patriotmissile's source "김상열" is The Republic of Korea chamber of commerce "vice"-president. He is not goverment member. Source http://news.jknews.co.kr/people/news/20080117/6647628.htm
He was not appointed by South Korea Gov. You told a falsehood!!!!--Koreakorea1 (talk) 11:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Returning
After much thought and deliberation I have decided to return. Many wikians contacted me by various means and I truly appreciate the support from all of them. Man, did I need that wiki break! I have learned from it and will use the experience to improve. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Reply
I am not sure I can handle them all. I suggest you post this on the admins' notice board too, if you haven't already. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Heads up about WP:AN topic
Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Removal of 3RR warning by User:Appletrees. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Your recent edits
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Your comment
Sorry, I don't understand your comment. In the seaweed photo, we need to specify which type of seaweed it is. If we don't know, we simply say "seaweed" or "sea vegetables," not "gim." The photographer is most likely dead so we cannot ask that person. Regarding the berry pancake photo, we also need to specify which type(s) of mountain berries they are. I surmise that there are more than one kind of mountain berry in Korea, although the mountain berry liqueur uses a particular kind of berry (I think it's similar to a Western raspberry). The photographer is likely living so we can ask that person which kind(s) of berries were used. If that photographer doesn't know, we can ask where s/he took that photo, and have a Wikipedian go to that place and find out which berries are used by that vendor. In each case, the question should not be blanked until the question is answered, and, also in each case, the caption of each photo should be as accurate as possible. My agenda is making sure all photo captions are absolutely accurate. Badagnani (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This is the first you ever said "I induced the species from the shape of the seaweed in the old picture and from my knowledge." Regarding the other things, it still is important to know the exact types of berries and vinegar. Koreans do have exact names for specific berries and vinegars, as they were historically not less exacting than West