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Colfax massacre

Thanks for your encouragement. I've taken a first stab at editing it, so you can let me know what you think. You could improve the article by adding specific citations from your references, in addition to listing them below.--Parkwells (talk) 21:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Ralph Nader Presidential Elections

Any help you can offer to make this article compliant with WP:NPOV is greatly appreciated. Thank you, 76.87.47.110 (talk) 11:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

If you take the time to look at the main Ralph Nader article's editing history, you can see that the Atlantic quote in question, which was originally there, was moved here by compromise. I have been involved with these articles for over six months. What gives you the right to violate this compromise that was reached after a whole lot of haggling? Please respect other editors' wishes and let this comment stay. Otherwise, I will have to insert it back in the main article and revisit the compromise arguments there. Moreover, as to the Ralph Nader article itself, where is the POV in this: "Nader's greatest impact was in Florida in the 2000 election, where George W. Bush defeated Al Gore by 537 votes and Nader's 97,421 votes tilted the election in Bush's favor." You can't disagree that his campaign in 2000 had more of an impact than his other campaigns, right? And if you agree with that statement, then you have to explain why it had an impact. I don't know how much more carefully I can tread without stepping on hypersensitive toes. Griot (talk) 02:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You were asked to provide a source for the unsourced "tilted the election" statement. Misplaced Pages is based on reliable sources. Boodlesthecat (talk) 03:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I deleted a comment of yours. I did it by accident, I assure you. Now my question is how to address the fact that Nader's biggest impact was in 2000. That belongs at the top of both articles. No more white-washing, please. Nader would have been a footnote to the elections if not for his role in 2000 in Florida. I'd appreciate if you wouldn't insist on glozing over this fact, as much as you may dislike it. Griot (talk) 05:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You offered and we had agreed that you would supply sources for your claims (you said you could find hundreds). Yet you persist in reverting the unsourced claims in the lead and susbstituting rhetoric and accusations of "whitewashing." This is not a substitute for a reliable source. You are not keeping your agreement; I will revert out the claims until you supply reliable sources for it as you PROMISED--that's fair. Boodlesthecat (talk) 13:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

newspaper article

Hi there, I'm a reporter working on an article about Misplaced Pages and I would love to speak with you. May I send you an email to try to set up an interview? Thanks for your time.Marynega (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Which newspaper?Boodlesthecat (talk) 17:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

January 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Ralph Nader. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Gwernol 23:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

This warning also applies to Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns Gwernol 23:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

newspaper article follow-up

Hi again, I'm a reporter with SF Weekly newspaper. My email address is Mary.Spicuzza@sfweekly.com May I give you a call to interview you for the article I'm writing about Misplaced Pages? Thanks for your time, Mary71.5.63.2 (talk) 00:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

trying again

Sorry--I forgot to sign that last one. I'm a reporter with SF Weekly newspaper. My email address is Mary.Spicuzza@sfweekly.com Thanks for your time, MaryMarynega (talk) 02:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Matt Gonzalez

Now you've followed me to the Matt Gonzalez article. C'mon man, gimme a break. You don't know the City or its politics. Your editing there was strictly personal. Griot (talk) 16:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

See the talk page for discussion. Please refrain from using my talk page for your speculations and insults, and rude advice on what I can and cannot edit. Boodlesthecat (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Cat. Griot (talk) 16:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I have to take this back to your Talk page, since your edits at this article obviously don't pertain to Matt Gonzales, but to me. You dislike me so you followed me to this article, where you've been cutting huge portions of it out without regard to the fact that the material is sourced and arrived at by many editors who preceeded you. That is unfair to me and other editors. I answered your queries on the Talk page. Cut it out, wouldya? Griot (talk) 17:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Matt Gonzalez. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Gwernol 17:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Gwernol 20:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Boodlesthecat (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Please review my edits and talk pages on Matt Gonzalez and the WP:BLP/N I posted for that article; Ralph Nader; and Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns. My edits and those of half a dozen others on the Nader pages have been plagued by incessant edit warring and multiple reverts without explanation and flagrant policy disregard by Griot, an editor with a self professed personal grudge against Ralph Nader.

Decline reason:

Complaining about the conduct of another editor is not a reason why you should be unblocked. — Sandstein (talk) 22:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

In reply to your e-mail: You are blocked because of your own actions. Each editor is judged on his or her own merits. Enumerating the bad things that the other editor has allegedly done is not an argument that addresses the only pertinent question here: how, specifically, did your block violate our blocking policy and should therefore be lifted? Sandstein (talk) 06:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi and re Nader article

Hi. I'm basically in agreement with Ralph Nader's views. I'm trying hard to make the article accurate and NPOV. If you and I should disagree, it's probably over minor matters of rhetoric. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Nader Elections

I guess I stand corrected as to whether the presidential articles are biographical. Nevertheless, whether his supporters can handle it, I think our man Nader is a big boy with a good strong backbone, and he can handle criticism in person or on Misplaced Pages. These criticisms are not malicious or gratuitous--but let's let others decide, eh? I think you and I have been around this subject once too often. BTW, you put your comment on my User page, not my Talk page. If you want to address me in future, please do so on my Talk page. User pages are meant only for their owners. Feedler (talk) 23:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Boodles, I'm afraid User:Feedler is a sock puppet of User:Griot. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 20:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

You too, huh? You're in the paranoid category? Griot (talk) 01:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns

You as well as anybody knows that it took a long time to reach the compromise that made up the opening paragraphy of this article. Yet you delete it wholesale. Why? And then you accuse me of being a sockpuppet merely because I disagree with you. Why do you do this? And Moonriddengirl is not an authority on which quote should be in an article. Please respect the editors there as well. People are going to disagree with you on Wiki, and that's okay. You have to realize that. Griot (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's where compromises were reached on this passage. Please click the links and observe how other editors rejected your edit:

• Me on Feb. 4
• Sedlam on Jan 31
• Snowfire Jan 27

Please respect other editors. Griot (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, compromises are reached in discussion pages, not proclaimed in article edits, as you seem to think from the diffs you offer above. You have a unique view of what a "compromise" is. feel free to try again. Boodlesthecat (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Sedlam is a sock puppet of User:Griot. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 03:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Dude has a closetfull of socks ;)Boodlesthecat (talk) 04:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

No doubt, Boodles, no doubt. Sad, really. Have you seen this yet? Gadzooks, 76.87.47.110 (talk) 06:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Evola and the Jews

The Evola article states: Evola further held that Jewish people denigrated lofty "Aryan" ideals (of faith, loyalty, courage, devotion, and constancy) through a "corrosive irony" that ascribed every human activity to economic or sexual motives (à la Marx and Freud). — Do you perhaps know where this is from and able to cite it? Because that's quite a controversial statement and needs to be sourced. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 11:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I didnt write it but I'll look for a source, though it's hardly any more controversial than any of this fascist's other anti-Semitic pronouncements. Boodlesthecat (talk) 13:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but why did you remove the part about Freud and Marx? I found that particularly interesting and in need of a source. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 04:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

As I pointed out, I didn't write it, and don't have a source to verify it. You can leave it in but it will probably stay tagged for a very long time, since much of this artcile was written in an essay fashion without references. Boodlesthecat (talk) 05:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Added to ANI Noticeboard

Hi Boodles, I added User:Griot persistent violations to ANI, http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. He has deleted content on article talk pages and reverted inappropriate comments my talk page as well. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Grazie indeed Boodles! A million of 'em :) 76.87.47.110 (talk) 06:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, by the way, I agree that it would be in your interest to open a user account; makes things less confusing and distracts from the valid complaint you have. Cheers Boodlesthecat (talk) 06:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I've been thinking about it, maybe I'm commitment phobic :) 76.87.47.110 (talk) 06:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Telogen

I must say, with all the evidence against User:Griot, and the many incivility warnings I've noted with this new User:Calton, there is something not right about this. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 01:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Desperate attempt by a desperate editor who got B-U-S-T-E-D. It's classic online pathology. Enjoy the show! Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Kudos Boodles! :) Btw, I'm reporting User:Calton for incivility on the ANI board. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 06:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like your "anonymous friend" got blocked -- again -- this time for six months. Looks like you'll have to buy your own doughnuts.

Now, what was this about "desperate editor" and "classic online pathology"? Boy, that sounds like incivility to me -- or possibly aimed in the wrong direction. Is this name-calling a privilege you're reserving for yourself? --Calton | Talk 11:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, looks like you've concluded I've been falsely accused of being a sock puppet of 76.87.47.110 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)--Krispy Kreme please. Boodlesthecat (talk) 14:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, reading, not your strong suit it appears. Note -- perhaps you missed the subtlety -- that I put "anonymous friend" within quotation marks. You even missed the plain English of my "I'm not buying you doughnuts". That's a George W. Bush-level of pretending not to hear things people tell you.

But even, for the sake of argument, assuming you're not a sockpuppet, it still means that you allied yourself with an obsessive, indefinitely banned, factually wrong self-promoter -- great company to keep, what? -- and now your support is gone. Note that the admins laughed at her claims and bounced her out of her toot suite. Something to keep in mind if you keep trying the same tactics. --Calton | Talk 14:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, enough of your insulting drivel. A) I'm not their sock puppet, so an APOLOGY, not insults is in order, and B) I hadn't "allied" myself with anybody; I was trying to balance the hostile, disruptive and guideline flaunting edits of an editor with a serious grudge against the very subject he's editing that you have allied yourself with. An editor who lies about my edit history, makes paranoid accusations, distorts edit history discussions, insists that his POV trumps reliable sourcing (see Matt Gonzalez article), and deletes other editors talk page comments that throw him in an unfavorable light. I can "Diff" all of this. So if you're not going to give me an apology and my donut, then go away and come back when you learn how to play nicely. Boodlesthecat (talk) 19:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You owe me an apology - Nope. You still, as I pointed out above, were carrying water from a banned troll. Talking about other people's behavior doesn't change that.

I hadn't "allied" myself with anybody - That would be factually incorrect, considering the exchanges of "me too!" with her when you were both forum-shopping.

An editor who lies about my edit history, makes paranoid accusations, distorts edit history discussions, insists that POV trumps reliable sourcing ... and deletes other editors talk page comments that throw in an unfavorable light. - fixed that for you. Oh, you weren't talking about J-M Spicuzza? I particularly liked her backwards causality, whereupon I supposed to have posted to WP:AN/I in revenge for something that hadn't yet happened.

OK, enough of your insulting drivel. - You first. As you sow, so shall ye reap, and the condescension that appears to be your default mode of interaction is insulting enough.

And what IS your bizarre fixation on doughnuts? Are you looking some form of external approval? Too cheap to buy your own? --Calton | Talk 22:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Calton, you seem to suffer the same penchant for distortion as your now- busted buddy Griot. What I "mee too'ed" were the contentions that Griot was using sock puppets. Oh, and looky (below) I was right. And no, I wasn't talking about J-M Spicuzza, whoever that is. All I know was the anon IP who accused Griot correctly of sock puppetry and other unkind things. so again, apologize and/or donut, or begone. Boodlesthecat (talk) 22:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Griot

You really need stronger evidence than "Because I said so," guy. --Calton | Talk 14:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear, somebody isn't following their own ground rules. Tsk. Boodlesthecat (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

confirmed

Griots #RR evading sock puppet has been confirmed here. Guess he was confused when he denied it here? It's not because I said so, its because checkuser said so. So why don't you go and abuse them instead of me, "guy?" Boodlesthecat (talk) 21:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a little confusing to me how you figured all this stuff out but you should absolutely check the Chris Daly page and Gavin Newsom page. Also check my talk page for a ridiciulous situation I had with him. --BillyTFried (talk) 22:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

sorry for the confusion

Hi Boodles. There seems to be some confusion or suspicion that you and I are actually the same user. If anybody should want to reach me to clarify that we are not the same person, I can be reached via email at Mary.Spicuzza@sfweekly.comMarynega (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Yea, they confused. Boodlesthecat (talk) 18:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

FYI use of "controversy", "controversial"

This is just FYI as it might not exactly address the discussion at Talk:Ralph_Nader#Naders_.22very_controversial.22_campaigns, but I see that Misplaced Pages:WTA#Scandal.2C_controversy.2C_affair lists "scandal" as a deprecated term and suggests "controversial episode" or "controversy" instead -- apparently the sense of editors of this style guideline is that "controversy" and "controversial" should not be considered pejorative. Have a good one. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 13:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Incivility, goading and personal attacks

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks and civility policies. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users, and even if you feel an editor has taken an action or actions which you disagree with or believe are wrong, acting as you have on User talk:Griot is completely unacceptable. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Orderinchaos 06:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/71.139.36.105

You recently compiled and listed a case at request for checkuser. A checkuser or clerk has asked that you list the code letter which matches with the violations of policy, which is listed at the top of the request for checkuser page. This has been implemented to reduce difficulties for checkusers, and is essential for your case to be processed in a timely manner. A link to your recently-created case which has this information missing is here. Thanks for your co-operation. AGK (talk) 22:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC), checkuser clerk.

Griot deliberately misrepresenting me on his talk page

Which is not allowed on Misplaced Pages talk pages, so all I did was revert it back to the original conversation. This can be seen here along with my comments on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Griot&action=history

AGAIN

He has done it again, saying (this is my talk page) - http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Griot&diff=prev&oldid=190710037<br\>

However Misplaced Pages talk pages are not the place for purposefully misrepresenting fellow editors in a bad light.<br\>

WP:Talk_page states that Article talk pages are provided for discussion of the content of articles and the views of reliable published sources. They should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views.<br\>

And I am certain they are also not meant to be used in the way Griot is using his. Please have him either remove all conversations between me and him from his talk page or leave the whole conversation exactly as it originally was. If you are not an Admin or cannot handle this for me can you please direct me to someone who can. Thanks. BillyTFried (talk) 21:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't have him do anything, I'm just another editor. I do chase mice rather well though. What you can do, if you feel there is abuse going on, is go to the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and post there, in accordance with the instructions there. In the meantime, it's no doubt best to stay off that editor's talk page. Refer to the Talk Page guidelines both to assess whether this editor is abusing their talk page and as a guide for what you can and can't do on their talk page. Meow. Boodlesthecat (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, that's what I did: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Griot_deliberately_misrepresenting_me_on_his_talk_page<br\> Thanks for the advice! --BillyTFried (talk) 22:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. You might find this interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Griot&diff=prev&oldid=190675197<br\> BillyTFried (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The Spanish Inquisition

Thanks for the rib tickler. Dlabtot (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Boodles, I agree with your edit here. Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to work "incrementally", perhaps too much so. WNDL42 (talk) 18:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Live long and prosper

Frackin' brilliant! I like the way you communicate BtC..:) While you're at it, I'd like a side of spam with my quantum mystical pseudoscientific bleepin' dead parrot, eh, squire? Dreadstar † 23:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For your Heroically Humorous efforts to get the message across...! Keep up the good humor! Dreadstar † 23:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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User:Griot

Likely by now you are aware that once again your suspicions have been confirmed and once again Griot has been indefinitely blocked. Whatever may come of this now, I'd just like to let you know that I appreciate your sleuthing and persistence. Not all disruption to Misplaced Pages takes the form of blatant vandalism, and we need people who are willing to doggedly pursue less obvious instances as well. As I mentioned when you first approached me on my talk page about this, I had (and still have) very little familiarity with sock puppetry and the pursuit thereof, but my observation of your experience suggests that it can be a challenging task. Thanks for being willing to take it on anyway. --Moonriddengirl 15:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks from me too....WNDL42 (talk) 17:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey Griot, aren't you banned indefinitely? Found another sock in the drawer?

Say, isn't your own pet abusive sockpuppeteer banned, too? Seems to me Griot has a long way to go to match your friend in total number of socks squashed.

But let me guess: abuse in a good cause is always right: nice to see you've made clear that you've adopted Republican Party Values, then. --Calton | Talk 13:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

bad grammar

I will continue to remove poor grammar and unencycopedic language. Ask for help if you can't figure out how to say something properly. Rracecarr (talk) 18:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

How 'bout your wholesale revert without consensus of Rationalist's improvements to the lead?? Rracecarr (talk) 18:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

How about his wholesale rewrite without concensus? And what does that have to do with your rude behavior? Boodlesthecat (talk) 18:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It has to do with you complaining about removing material. Pots and kettles, and all that. Rracecarr (talk) 19:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

seriously, man, you're making no sense, you are being rude, combative, uncivil, and flagrantly edit warring. Kindly desist. Boodlesthecat (talk)

"Challenges how" and "attributes to how" are not appropriate. A start would be changing "how" to "the way in which". Also, you are past 3RR, just to let you know. Rracecarr (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Your a nit-picking simply for POV pushing purposes. End of discussion since you are not being honest. Boodlesthecat (talk) 19:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I am honest, and it is uncivil of you to assume bad faith. I don't particularly see the phrases as POV (although they do add clutter), just really bad writing. Rracecarr (talk) 19:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

No you are using "grammar" and rude assertions about "really bad writing" to delete sourced, factual content you don't like. It's all in the history, so please stop cluttering my talk page with your disingenous arguments. Boodlesthecat (talk) 20:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Boodlesthecat, I have had a terrible time with Rracecarr reverting, undoing and deleting my work at several different articles; most notable the foot-pound force article. I have for the last 9 months tried to communicate with Rracecarr in a civil manner. However Rracecarr's responses are off topic or non-sequitur's with sarcastic language (that puts it nicely). Rracecarr's posts read like this is some kind of competition. I find it weird. The edit warring that Rracecarr is engaged in borders on juvenile behavior. I would report his/her behavior to admin but one, I don't know how and two, that is an extreme measure. Do you have any suggetions for me? Thank you, Greg Glover (talk) 22:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

greg--as you can see above, I don't think I was very successful in my interactions with Rracecarr. I'm not sure what gets him going into that mode, but I also see on your talk page that there is within it all some productive discussion. Since you are discussing technical definitional issues, I think perhaps maybe you two can agree to hammer out specific differences, and agree on mutually acceptable definitions and expository wordings. The issues seem to be regarding technical matters, so you can both consult the proper published reference works for guidance where there are disagreements. If there are issues about popular usage, eg., torgue, that can be worked into the article ("in some contexts, torque can refer to...) just like the complex number article notes "In some disciplines (in particular, electrical engineering, where i is a symbol for current), the imaginary unit i is instead written as j, so complex numbers are sometimes written as a + jb" so that an engineer doesnt throw a fit and say :"no, it's written j!!" In any case, have a chat and see if you can agree to hammer out differences on talk pages (wheere others may have input too), consult authorities and then make agreed upon edits, rather than back and forth. Hope this is useful! Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Your examples are great. I think this will be very helpful.Greg Glover (talk) 13:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Warning for WP:Civil violation

Boodles, comments really don't do anyone any favours. Please watch for civility, Jefffire (talk) 17:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I had hoped you would have taken this in a mature fashion. Consider this your warning for uncivil behavior. Anything else and you will be reported for disruption. Jefffire (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Using threats of reporting as a cheap intimidation attempt....yawn Boodlesthecat (talk) 22:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Please do stop this behavior. Jefffire (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeffire, You've threatened me similarly and it's getting old. The behavior Boodles is commenting on is far more disruptive, and any "civility" issues should be addressed at the root of the problem. The user Boodles is commenting on is way out of line, throwing up Smoke screens, and I personally find it to be disruptive. If Boodles "socratic irony" is what it takes, well that's unfortunate, but it's better than locking the article over and over again, which is what we had before. WNDL42 (talk) 00:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

February 2008

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Personal attacks, such as calling others Nazi's, is strongly discouraged and flat-out inappropriate despite the context. seicer | talk | contribs 00:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Elias

Seriously, stop your bickering. It's getting tiring. Will 00:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Same shit, different day. Stop it. Will 00:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi there

I can understand and somewhat relate to your feelings, but if you continue, you will be blocked, I'm sorry to say. Having an opinion about something doesn't get your blocked from here; attacking others about their opinions will. ~ Riana ⁂ 01:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Tell me you are kidding. anti-Semitic rants and Jew-baiting of other editors is permitted on wikipedia?? Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

No, and that user may be facing a block too. But you need to calm down, please. ~ Riana ⁂ 01:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I am perfectly calm and waiting for someone to address this users vicious anti-Semitism rather than attack me for bringing it to Misplaced Pages's attention. I bring it up and get told to "shut the hell up?" Is that how thing s work here?Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that you are upset at his strange views regarding Jews and Judaism, but calling someone a Nazi is never acceptable. Nazis are something entirely different from bizarrely anti-Semitic contributors at Misplaced Pages and Stormfront. The best policy in a situation like this is to ignore anti-Semites, keep a watch on your articles to make sure they aren't dumped down the Looking Glass and report specific policy violations (like 3RR, etc.) when you see them. (And before you accuse me of having an agenda towards ignoring this sort of complaint, have a look at my userpage). Avruch 01:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I understand; even though that editor is a member of a Nazi forum (Stormfront) I wont call a spade a spade and call him a Nazi. Fine. Now--is there no policy about filling talk pages with anti-Semitic rants? seems like a no-no per WP:talk. How come no one will address that, and that editors Jew baiting me, and only respond with the rather bizarre notion that I shoudlnt call a nazi a nazi? Boodlesthecat (talk) 02:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

There aren't any Nazis at the moment, and hopefully there never will be again. Stormfront is a collection of losers who whine about how the world mistreats them, and blame it on targets conveniently picked out for them by history. Calling them Nazis either gives them far more credit (in their world) than they deserve, or demeans those who suffered and died at the hands of actual Nazis. There are methods for dealing with anti-Semitic hatred on talkpages. First, don't violate any policies yourself. Second, accumulate a body of evidence that includes the most egregious diffs. Once you have, post it in one go to AN/I or start an RfC. Avruch 02:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I posted on ANI links to a page full of anti-semitic rants by this member of a collection of losers who whine about how the world mistreats them, and was told to "shut the hell up." Boodlesthecat (talk) 02:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the problem with that (not that I'm condoning shut the hell up, but perhaps Will knows more background than I do) is that when you make a report on AN/I, typically it is much more helpful to provide a list of diffs to violations so that it can be reviewed quickly without someone having to devote a great deal of time to filling themselves in or reading over a page filled with bullshit. If you want to assemble a list of diffs and repost later, or at AN instead of AN/I, you could do that. I'd recommend at least ten different diffs, with the most objectionable text displaying in the link in your report. Avruch 02:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

No actually Will knew nothing of the background, but instead chose to give a perfect exampe of a violation of WP:DIK. A courteous response, by any editor or admin on my AN/I would be to simply and cordially request examples, which I would happily supply, rather than lambast me for complaining about being the target of an anti-Semitic loser. Boodlesthecat (talk) 02:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Archive

Since the WP:ANI board indicates that the matter is closed, I put a note at the Wikiquette page about the archive. It is not productive to have the archive remain on the talk page (along with most of the other sections) and your diffs still work (which are much better than links to the current version anyway). If the Wikiquette board gives you the same result, I would strongly suggest you simply leave it alone. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a consensus between the article talk page, your user talk page, the editor telling you not to forum shop, and myself. If anyone else was interested in getting involved, they could chose to reopen the section (and that's quite common). Between all those individuals, it seems clear to me. I've repeated this at Wikiquette. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and sorry if I didn't say this earlier, but feel free to pull the section out of the archive if you actually believe there is something there to discuss. I would disagree, but I think it would be better if I stayed uninvolved. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)