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NPOV

Greetings. I agree that there was a problem before, but the current Kalaripayattu article is pretty neutral, so I took the tag off and placed a "controversial" tag on the article's talk page.

Just generally, I'm pretty sure that there was a pan-Eurasian culture set in the Neolithic and early bronze age, but we can only infer it, there is no way to really prove it. As well, there, IMO, isn't any way to prove that KP is the origin of Chinese martial arts. Confucius in the Analects mentions martial training. Qin Shi Huangdi's Terra Cotta Army even had a few statues in kung fu poses, which date from the 3rd century BC, probably 2-300 years before the introduction of Buddhism, and 600 years before Ta Mo. There we have it. Fire Star 04:42, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

sign your comments

Dear Kenneth,

As you are never LOGIN to do EDITS please use following to sign your comments

{{user|kennethtennyson}}

It will output something like.

kennethtennyson (talk · contribs)

WP:VIP

Hello,

Just for future reference, please sign your comments by using ~~~~. Otherwise, it takes away from our ability to process your report. Thanks. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk June 29, 2005 00:55 (UTC)

It appears that there is an edit war between you and this user. I suggest using WP:AN for this. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk June 29, 2005 01:02 (UTC)

interesting controversy

Agree with your assessment; however, I don't know if it is worth all of this controversy. I've never heard of kalaripayattu and it seems like more of a Dance than anything else. Steelhead 29 June 2005 20:38 (UTC)

Buddhists

Kenneth, why don't you become the founding member of Category:Buddhist Wikipedians? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:53, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

shuai jiao

chinese wrestling Shuai chiao - has connections to history sites

Bodhidharma

I'm a lapsed Buddhist AND a history buff : )

JFD 21:56, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't suppose you know of the source for giving Bodhidharma's birthdate as 440?

The later sources that identify Bodhidharma as South Indian all take their lead from Tan Lin, whose probably composed his account at roughly the same time that Yang Xuanzhi was composing his. As a first or second generation lineage descendant of Bodhidharma, Tan Lin probably knew Bodhidharma better than Yang, who met him in passing only twice. I could be more conclusive if we knew more about Tan Lin.

And with regard to Persian Buddhists, didn't the Sassanid Empire crack down harshly on Persians who converted from Zoroastrianism to other religions? Or was that just Christianity?

JFD 09:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

So check this out. Dao Xuan's account of Bodhidharma's death is under the entry for Hui Ke, not Bodhidharma. According to Dao Xuan, Bodhidharma need only die before 534, the end of the Northern Wei, when Hui Ke moves from Luoyang to Ye.

The 528 date is only necessary if you insist on dating Bodhidharma's death to the mass execution at Heyin.

Of course, according to the chronology provided by the Zutangji, Bodhidharma must have died sometime after 536.

I'll tie the discrepant dates to the various sources.

JFD 06:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I tried to address the conflicts by presenting the information by source rather than redacting them all into a single narrative. The 527 arrival date in China comes from the Zutangji and the Jingde chuandenglu, which is largely taken from the Zutangji, i.e. the last two texts, which means that the primary source for the 528 death date is either Tan Lin or the Xu gaoseng zhuan. I'll put up a bleg for a source on Talk:Bodhidharma.

According to the Broughton (p. 55), Dao Xuan takes the age of Bodhidharma (150) from Yang Xuanzhi, so I'm going to remove the clause that says there's a discrepancy between the two.

JFD 04:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction.

Just a couple of things:

# Which text dates Bodhidharma's death to 528?

# If Dao Xuan takes his figure for Bodhidharma's age from Yang Xuanzhi, shouldn't they give identical ages at death?

I won't do any edits on this stuff until we clear this up.

Thanks.

JFD 04:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)