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"I think we really need to much more strongly insist on a pleasant work environment and ask people quite firmly not to engage in that kind of sniping and confrontational behavior. We also need to be very careful about the general mindset of "Yeah, he's a jerk but he does good work". The problem is when people act like that, they cause a lot of extra headache for a lot of people and drive away good people who don't feel like dealing with it. Those are the unseen consequences that we need to keep in mind. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:51 5 February 2008

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Minor technicality/semantics

Thanks for your assistance applying the block hammer to my favorite harasser. However, I must raise a minor objection to the template you're using which states "Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions." This is a banned user, and banned users are not welcome to make any contributions, constructive or otherwise.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 02:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I wasn't aware that he was banned. I assumed he was blocked for abusing sock puppets. Thanks for notifying me; I would refactor it, but the user revolves around so many IP addresses that anything more than a 24h block is kind of useless. seicer | talk | contribs 02:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Please help me to have a Semi-Protection the Angel Locsin, Regine Velasquez and Lobo (TV series) pages because of unstoppable Vandalism.{Jennyandalizapurok4 (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)}

Sorry, at the time I don't see a reason to protect the latter two articles. Semi-protecting it only disallows those with IP addresses from editing; fully-protecting it disallows anyone but administrators from editing it. It seems to be content issues but it hasn't evolved to downright full edit warring yet. Let me know if it does. seicer | talk | contribs 18:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Keratoconus needs your help again

More questions from the belligerent IP editor at Talk:Keratoconus. I have given up trying to communicate with them and I suspect others who have dealt with their accusations have also. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Re edit war

Ok I'll watch that.The article at Cave Clan has been under attack from sockpuppet accounts in case you weren't aware? I'm not the ISP address who did the last edits in case you were wondering. I'm not completely sure who that was? Also check that the reversion I was making was of edits done by a WP:SPA user. Didn't that tell you something? Or didn't you check out the revision history and who was actually doing what? The version you have protected is the version that has been gutted by the vandal. How do I take this to dispute resolution? Sting au Buzz Me... 23:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

When protecting an article, you are not necessarily endorsing one version over another. It's just to protect the article from further edit warring. If you want to resolve the issues, the first step is to open a line of discussion in the article's talk page, then seek Dispute Resolution if that fails. seicer | talk | contribs 00:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. In the mean time I will watch the 3R's. That has never happened to me before. Sting au Buzz Me... 01:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Curious About The Ip Sockpuppet Reverting

Was my reverting okay and appropriate? I tried carefully to not go TOO crazy. -WarthogDemon 02:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

You were within reason to revert as it was obvious sock puppet abuse. For the open sock case, just add in the IP addresses that were blocked today. I've semi protected Gothic rock for 1 week as well. Thanks for your diligence! seicer | talk | contribs 02:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm unfamiliar with the protocols at Misplaced Pages enough to not know how to respond to this comment left on my talk page about the recent IP edit war. So I am pointing it in your direction to see if you have any thoughts on the matter. 03:56, 13 March 2008 Theplanetsaturn (talk) 04:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems as if the attacks have stopped, so a range block is probably not necessary at the moment. If it starts back up, let me know. seicer | talk | contribs 04:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

New messages from Voyagerfan5761

Tuvok 11:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Cave Clan and favoritism

I believe you protected the page Cave Clan in favor of people who think they have owner ship over the article because they are trying to protect their sacred site from being exposed. You did mention that you were into urban exploration and I believe you may be sympathetic to their cause. You protected the page and gave me a warning for adding a list of Misplaced Pages articles in which there was nothing wrong. The articles are related to the subject. They are relevant to Australian Military History and they are relevant to urban exploration. See the content I have placed on the talk page. This will give some explanation as to why (read the captions for the pictures that I have added) the list should be included. These are cave clan sites, this is where they take members and guests on guided tours, but not just that a lot of other groups and individuals visit these sites to explore the tunnels within. That is why the list that I added should be included in the article. I would like to have this small list reinserted as I went to a lot of trouble writing every single article, except for maybe one or two of them. I would either like to have it added now and re protected or I will wait and add it again, if this happens it will start the edit waring all over. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 22:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, sorry. Per WP:PPOL, applying page protection is to stop edit warring, which is undeniable at Cave Clan. As such, protecting a page does not necessarily endorse one version over another, and in the case of protection, efforts should be made among editors to come to a consensus through discussion regarding the disputed content. I feel that it is better than blocking for 3RR vios. which would have occurred if no protection was applied; three editors were notified regarding this. Even so, repeated revert warring was not constructive to the article, and you should know better than that.

In the future, instead of lobbing false accusations at other editors and administrators, you should open a line of discussion at Cave Clan and other pages. Don't bring up content issues with me; instead, do it on the discussion page of Cave Clan as I have little knowledge of this pseudo-organization outside of what I added from Cave Clan's web-site. seicer | talk | contribs 22:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The thing is sock puppets and ips were removing content from the article, the only thing that I wanted restored was the list of sites which was appropriate as I have stated above. Talking about this on the talk page for the article will serve no purpose as the people who removed the content in the first place think they have owner ship over the article. You protected the page after it was partially blanked. The other editors I am assuming were recent changes patrolers who were trying to stop vandalism. This ip address came along, moved photos and deleted content which could be considered vandalism or page blanking then you protected the vandalised version. The list that I wish to reinstate is appropriate and anyone with an interest in the topic of urb ex would appreciate being led to those articles. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 23:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you pinpoint out specifically (make a list) of the IPs and sock user accounts that you suspect? If there are numerous, I can send it over to checkuser or open up a suspected sock page regarding the user. I do know that not that long ago, Panic and a few others were edit warring over the article, so I suspect that it's related to that still. seicer | talk | contribs 23:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the sock puppets have been blocked indef. As for the ips, well they keep changing, quite often, so you block them one day and they come back the next with another. Also how do you know about Panic. I don't think he had account here.. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 00:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I am not quite sure what happened with panic, it may have had something to do with the links that were being added a couple of months ago. No its not related, I have been contributing to wiki for quite some time, within this period I developed an interest in bunkers and forts. When I developed this interest I started to write articles, after this I found out about the cave clan article. When I had a brief look at their website I saw that it contained pictures of a similar nature to what I was writing about, and they explored these sites as well. All the sites that I have visited have there logo and graffiti spray painted on the walls. So the articles that I wrote and wish to include in the list are sites that many urb ex people visit, not just the cave clan. So these articles fall into the category of Urban exploration just like the cave clan article, even though they are not noted for this, but anyone interested in the subject would, like I may have said before, appreciate being led to those articles. If you ever come out here and want to do some urb ex in Sydney, use the info in the articles to locate these sites and you won't be disappointed. Cheers. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 00:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Here are some pics that I have taken whilst doing the rounds commons:User:Adam.J.W.C. . --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha. I restored the content and unprotected the page. It's been watchlisted for a while, so I'll monitor it for any suspected socks or proxies. seicer | talk | contribs 02:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for that. The most important thing was the list for further reading. Cheers. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 03:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Initial edit for article on the gardener Alan Chadwick

I was in the middle of editing the article Alan Chadwick when you deleted it. I lost all my edits. Is it necessary to jump on a new article like this so negatively? I have asked for an alan chadwick article for a long time and no one has started one. I have quite a bit more I could say on this matter but dont know you and will defer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberplasm (talk • contribs) 23:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Your rationale for keeping the page was:

Your robot has marked this for deletion, or else someone is not a gardener. This is a badly needed article, I don't know why it's not already on wikipedia. Just the list of links alone is worth keeping the article. Alan Chadwick is linked on other wikipedia articles, but so far there has been no entry.

Keeping an article based on the links alone does not assert notability, and there was no real content outside of spam links. An article is not based solely upon links to other web-sites with no substantial content. If you wish, write up the article on your userpage or on your user:Cyberplasm/sandbox and inform me if you decide to create the article. I'd be happy to review it. seicer | talk | contribs 23:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

New article

Here is the somewhat more complete article in my sandbox. I would like to publish it. What do you think? I've never edited a new article before, and didn't realize how tricky navigating the editorial review is here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Cyberplasm/sandbox —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberplasm (talk • contribs) 23:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your support!

Hello, and thanks for your support in my recent RFA! The final result was 61/0/3, so I've been issued the mop! I'm extremely grateful for your confidence in me and will strive to live up to it. Thanks again! —Scott5114↗ 07:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)