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Roy Hattersley

I have reverted your addition of Category:Daily Mail and General Trust to Roy Hattersley. There is nothing in the article to justify the category, and it seems implausible that he would have any involvement with the Daily Mail. Do you have a source which would justify placing him in the category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I was adding the new category to pages, and I was adding all the links from the Daily Mail page Writers section here (see link for list). And the name of the person was there as well, and it also has a description " former Labour Party deputy leader". So I thought this was adequate (although I was suspicious that it was a Labour guy for a right wing paper). If i was wrong to add the category than i'm sorry.Pafcool2 16:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

See my reply at User talk:BrownHairedGirl#Roy_Hattersley. Have created a new a category which you should find useful. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

London Boroughs

Thanks for reviewing some of the London Boroughs pages, as you've noticed most are in a distressing state - and it's a good day when the page is extended from harmless to mostly harmless. I would however urge you to use the fact tag sparingly - either for things that don't make sense, or that are obviously disputed. I had a quick look round after you 'facted' London Borough of Barking and Dagenham and was quickly able to verify most of them from one source. If you had done the same, rather than leave it to me, we'd probably cut the work in half - but that's not to say you're wrong. They needed to be verified.

A bizarre example, which I noted you'd noticed is the London Borough of Tower Hamlets article. Somebody did a drive-by facting and reheading the page structure with stuff from the 'How to write about Geographical settlements' some time ago, they then didn't actually do any work on clearing up the mess they'd left - and, well, it left the page in a worse state than when they'd started. (They also did a lot of damage to other articles in Tower Hamlets, requesting facts all over the place, and marking it as 'lacking references'). You could consider marking pages {{refimprove}} as this indicates that the page, or section, needs further referencing, and is much less disruptive.

Editors are all volunteers, and have a very mixed standard of production. Most of the articles are deficient in any text, let alone referenced material - and setting standards too high does dissuade people from contributing. There's a balance to be achieved, and that should be encouragement, rather than an over enforcement of rules. Where you believe articles are deficient, please do take a moment to try to reference the material, rather than leave it to others. (I actually take a bizarre pleasure in doing that!).

Anyway, thanks for all your hard work. I wish all boroughs had reached the standard of London Borough of Croydon. On a number of occasions I've tried to persuade WPLondon to do a blitz on a borough of the month (article by article), ultimately, I think it's what's needed to improve the London coverage.

Cheers Kbthompson 20:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

A WikiProject you may be interested in...

Hi there! I notice you're from Surrey - please take a look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Surrey, which I started earlier this afternoon. Cheers.--Vox Humana 8' 20:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Earth like planet?

I read this about 55 Cancri f in the Daily Mail and wondered if this is new info. As i'm not really into science maybe you could field this! I've seen on the edit history that you are the only person to of added to the article See this article for me to see if i'm right, thanks! And please get back to me. From Pafcool2 20:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

You'd be better off asking Anarchist42. He authored the article; I just rated it. --Turnipface 20:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah! Sorry I was looking at another history page with your name on it, must of got them mixed up. My mistake! Pafcool2 20:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, a large moon orbiting the 4th planet could be habitable for life as we know it. Normally you'd expect a moon around a gas giant to be constantly bombarded with asteroids drawn in by the giant, which would be problematic for life, but in 55 Cancri there's an even larger giant further out that might help deflect them. And with the abundance of heavy elements in the system, there's a good chance a large terrestrial body would still be warm enough to keep plate tectonics going, which is needed to recycle water and air. One caveat, though: the moon would have to be huge, earth-sized, to retain a thick atmosphere. Titan has a thick atmosphere only because it's so cold; it would lose it if it were as warm as Earth. Our giants don't have any moons that large relative to the planet. And to be habitable, the moon would need to be outside the giant's radiation belts. Kwamikagami 20:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that answer, I didn't even know it's a moon from the article. You know you're science! Anyone else want to simplfy that? Pafcool2 20:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Dancing with the stars

The map has been modified with Sweden in it now. Best regards (you can modify it yourself in the future if there are other countries that have to be added). —Preceding unsigned comment added by LukaP (talk • contribs) 23:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:UK Tramcar Stock

Template:UK Tramcar Stock has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — David Arthur 22:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Well OK, since I didn't create it (i just made a few minor adjustments) but I'll put on my thoughts. -- Pafcool2 (talk) 16:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Strictly Come Dancing

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Strictly Come Dancing. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. The results for week seven on Strictly Come Dancing haven't been revealed yet (I'm watching it live) so please keep them off the page until they have. Thanks! ~~ 19:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, and it wasn't vandalism, I mean everyone knew that they were going out! There was no other possibility and you know that that's a fact! But sorry if you didn't want to know the results! Pafcool2 (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Once they were in the dance off, I knew that they would be going out. However, for verifiability purposes, the result should not be added until after it has happened. I thought I had selected the "factual error" template, but mustn't have - sorry about that. However, in future, please keep the result off until after it has been broadcast live. Thanks :) ~~ 19:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Image:Uk outline map.png

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Template:Infobox Radio station

Done. --Marknew (talk) 13:15, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

November 2007

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you. Also, 'i' should be 'I'! :) Thanks. Tiddly-Tom 07:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:UK Hotels

This is a very bad idea. First most of these companies are not based in the UK. Second the only logical follow on is create a template for every country in which case there would be scores of these templates in most hotel company articles. That would make these next to useless. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

East Croydon

Hey, I can't work out what you did with the infobox here but it appears to have removed half the parameters, just thought I'd let you know. Cheers, - Zeibura 21:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Me niether, I was hoping someone else would know what to do! Pafcool2 (talk) 13:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I found the solution. One of the ref tags was missing the >. Simply south (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:UK light rail

Template:UK light rail has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — David Arthur (talk) 23:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Bus companies in Greater London

I got the idea for Template:Bus companies in North West England from Template:Bus companies in Wales - but it seemed sensible to sub-categorise by county as otherwise it would be a bit of an amorphous blob. I opted to go for "Major bus companies" only to stop every Tom, Dick and Harry from being added, although there are still a few entries in there which I disapprove of! I'm not quite sure how you define the various areas of London, as it seemingly can't be done on county lines - perhaps boroughs? It certainly would be good to roll out across the rest of England, it's just finding the time to sit down and do it. I'd probably start with North East, Yorkshire and West Midlands, so if you wanted to do some, perhaps East and South East would be a good place to start? Divy (talk) 10:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

A combination of prior knowledge of the main operating groups and large independents cross-referenced against the existing articles in Category:Current bus operators in England. County council websites can be useful places to look too. Divy (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:UK Food

Template:UK Food has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Vegaswikian (talk) 20:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:UK light rail

Hi, i've put this up for merger with Template:Britishmetros. See the template talk page. I will also raise this on WP:Rail, WP:TIS and WP:LT. Simply south (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I may overhaul it and restore Britishmetros. Simply south (talk) 12:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Motorway services templates

I like what you have done with the templates for Moto Roadchef and Welcome Break, but believe strongly that they don't belong on the articles of the individual franchisers e.g. Costa, McDonalds, WH Smith etc. I have therefore removed them. --Cheesy Mike (talk) 17:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I do think it is reasonable to mention Moto, Roadchef or Welcome Break within each company's article and provide a wikilink, but the template really is overkill. --Cheesy Mike (talk) 17:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Map for East Midlands Trains

East Midlands Trains is a complicated franchise, so it would be harder to map than most of the ones I’ve done (I don’t like to just copy the official map), but I have thought about doing it; at the moment I’m struggling with Ottawa’s buses and Copenhagen’s S-tog network. What do you think would be more useful — a schematic map, or a geographical one? David Arthur (talk) 15:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

London Meetup - January 12, 2008

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BotHell

Every time this bot is allowed to run it creates problems for everyone (including me!). I nearly blocked it this evening, but someone beat me to it - that's how bad it is. If you add {{Non-free use rationale}} and provide a rationale for each page that the image is used in, that seems to satisfy the beast - until someone comes up with a better idea to make all our lives hell! Good luck. Kbthompson (talk) 00:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK Nom

Hi. I've nominated No.1 Croydon, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Misplaced Pages:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on March 14, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, Mjroots (talk) 03:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 50p Building, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Images of Croydon

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files ;) ninety:one 16:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

obviously it's not up to me, but the fact is that they should all be at wikimedia commons, not here. i will nominate manchester as well. ninety:one 16:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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