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IRL, Champ Car and other such nonsense

FCYTravis: are you sure about the non-Indy 500 numbers? There's no question that they were lower (not my fault, naturally), but aren't the broadcast ratings on ABC (only) for the other (Sunday afternoon) races marignally better? (I know that they aren't comparable to NASCAR, football, etc.) Now, I will admit that even I don't watch much of what's on, what, ESPN2, on cable? Aren't its ratings usually around that level except for college basketball? Is a 0.2 on ESPN2 spectacularly bad, or just average for something of a fringe network? Rlquall 01:34, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately, yes, 0.2 is pretty spectacularly bad - testpattern. It's about what the average Champ Car race got on SPIKE TV and that's atrocious even for SPIKE. It's clear nobody at any open-wheel series has any clue how to market, but I digress... I can dig up the various threads I saw ratings posted on, but suffice to say the league set some new records for bad ratings... I believe they only had five or six races all year break the 1.0 barrier, and that's counting the Indy 500...

By comparison, back in the 1990s halcyon days, CART/PPG IndyCar World Series got 2s, on average, on ABC. We've devolved.

On the bright side, for both series, attendance seems to be continually strong - don't know if you saw IRL Richmond but they damn near filled the stands. Way better than 03. Same for Nazareth. It's a paradox... And no, the ratings aren't either of ours fault, I watch everything I can with wings and without fenders... but someone upstairs in HQ needs a pink slip, because what we have is some good product with no marketing on both sides of the Split. FCYTravis 01:45, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Why Spike TV remains in business at all is beyond me, and why they think that IRL is a good mix with "wrasslin", battle-bots, and reruns of The Dukes of Hazzard, but, now, I really digress.

I didn't realize that it was just a "2" in the PPG days. 1.0, unfortunately in this day of fragmentation, sounds good.

If you think that SAFER needs its own article, go for it if you think that you are up to writing it. That's a very good idea. Now that NASCAR/ISC is behind it, it's here to stay and probably will only get better.

As to why I gave up on CART, it's pretty easy. One day I was watching the broadcast of the Gran Prix race on Belle Isle, Michigan, one of the most beautiful venues for motorsports imaginable. They announced that they were reducing the number of laps to keep it under the time limit. Now, I realize that is a common way of FIA doing things in F1, but as an American I was incensed. That to me would be just like saying, "Well, it's obvious that today's Lions/Packers game is going to run too long, so the fourth quarter will be only seven minutes." I understand shortening races for rain; that can and should and sometimes must be done. But to put a time clock on a non-endurance race, well, it's just too unAmerican for me. That's when I pretty much restricted my open-wheel viewing to IRL. IRL has gotten a little more popular here in the Nashville area just for bringing one its top races to the relatively new superspeedway near here, something NASCAR is unlikely to do for the forseeable future, if ever. There may have been some people who went to that event free, obviously I don't know everyone, but I am yet to meet someone who said, "O, yeah, I got a free ticket," but maybe some of the people who said that their companies bought the tickets, maybe the companies received them free, I don't know.

Not to waste any more of your time, but I keep hoping that as the Hulman-George relationsip with NASCAR grows that some of that old France marketing magic will rub off, but it mostly doesn't seem to have happened yet. I will say that the IRL drivers made all kinds of local TV and radio appearances here before the race and that the non-Americans spoke better English than I was accustomed to or expecting and were just "exotic" enough to wow all of the female air personalities. Maybe that's not how one would want to see it come back to popularity in an ideal world, but one does what one can with the circumstances one is in, right?

BTW, you're not wasting my time... it's not like I have anything better to do ;) As for Champ Car's time limits... that's actually a TV thing. Back in the day, ABC/ESPN refused to run the race broadcasts over-time: so if Champ Car simply went the full lap distance, at best there'd be no winner interview and at worst the end of the race wouldn't have been on TV at all. So, the necessary evil of TV window time limits was instituted. I'm no big fan of it either but it seems to be here to stay.

Misplaced Pages way of doing things

Hi, when you added this edit you put your comment into the middle of mine, at the same indent level, cutting my first paragraph off from my signature at the end of the second paragraph, and thereby making it look as if you'd written that first paragraph. Misplaced Pages:Talk page#Sandards and conventions of writing and layout gives some guidance on how to keep Talk: pages from getting confusing.

Also, when you edited Champcars, you didn't add any Edit summary - that instruction page says: Always fill the summary field (emphasis in the original). Please make sure to fill them in. As this page indicates, it's especially important to do so when you are reverting an edit: Always explain your reverts (again. emphasis in the original). Noel (talk) 00:23, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

PS: I don't usually check other User_talk: pages (so that I don't have to monitor a whole long list of User_Talk: pages - one for each person with whom I am having a "conversation"), so please leave any messages for me on my talk page (above); if you leave a message for me here I probably will not see it. I know not everyone uses this style (they would rather keep all the text of a thread in one place), but I simply can't monitor all the User_talk: pages I leave messages on. Thanks! Noel (talk) 00:23, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fellow Champcar Enthusiac

Hey, I just noticed you from your extensive edits to champcars. I'm fairly new to Champ Car, but am somewhat involved with the Canary Fund, which is running the San Jose Grand Prix, Champcar's newest race. Just wanted to let you that I've been spending some effort adding champcar information to the 'pedia, both to existing articles and by creating new ones. Feel free to check out articles like San Jose Grand Prix and Template: Champ Car World Series, and any other articles that I've written. I'd love it if you noticed anything to add, or any corrections to make. I'm pretty new here. Just letting you know that there are more champ car wikipedians out here!

Doopokko 04:30, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Warning

Re: Posting : Jason Saffer Let me make it extremly clear to you that we will continue to protect ourself from defamatory commments allowed to be in postings on your site. Do not revert to original postings that were deemed incorrect.

To talk about us maliciously removing items that are untrue, false and defamatory to protect ourselves is uneeded. And ask us to play by the rules? By you reposting false information from prior edits? You have involved yourself in this situation. You will also be held accountable if this continues. (TrailerParkFan) 05, April 2005

Hate to break it to you, but you're not scaring me. You don't get to decide what is correct and incorrect on Misplaced Pages - there is an accepted process to it. You are the one who has violated every single step of this process. You are the one who will be held accountable. --FCYTravis 20:55, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

CASR 17

Hi,

Thanks for adding the section number in -- just to let you know, nohat has removed the infobox template from the article (he's gone into the template and copied and pasted the HTML directly into the article itself) in order to change the word 'route' to 'highway' -- if it gets moved back to CASR 17 the template will be re-implemented. --atanamir 06:12, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed. I added it to 85... and will do a couple more. It seems that for all the two-digit routes, the code section number is simply the two-digit number plus 3. For the three-digit routes, drop the leading digit and add a 4 or 5 as necessary - i.e. Route 101 is Section 401, Route 299 is Section 599. Past Route 299/Section 599, this system entirely breaks down and it's just at seemingly random (though numerical) order - Section 607.1 is Route 371, Section 620 is Route 680, etc. --FCYTravis 06:15, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Circular Reasoning

Obviously a notable historical event - otherwise nobody would be loudly demanding deletion claiming fraud, would they?

This is rather circular logic, isn't it? We could also come to the conclusion that the Holocaust never happened and that the Apollo moon landings were filmed in a movie studio using this logic.

MSTCrow 20:57, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Not signing was an oversight. I try to sign everything I do, but being busy editing and stuff on Wiki, I can forget now and then. Sorry about that. Hey there Travis -- I can't get onto IRC ... :P www.zuh.net isn't working .... Once you read this, delete, unless you want to clutter your entire talk page with banal messages from me :P --Humehwy 06:32, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) Travis -- check out http://www.zuh.net -- it's not working from here at the moment. And there's no IRC client on this terminal. I'm at a commercial internet cafe atm (I still haven't got my computer from down south) so I usually use #rg from ZUH's applet. --Humehwy 06:38, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your support

Thank you for supporting my candidacy for administrator. Kelly Martin 15:12, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits

You corrected the style and/or grammar of my additions to The 400 Blows. It is a pleasure for me to encounter someone your age (I am 75) who takes interest in such things. Keep up the good work! Too Old 17:46, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Lorain County Young Democrats

Heyas, you might want to keep an eye on Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Lorain County Young Democrats. I just reverted a blanking of the VfD page by the primary author of Lorain County Young Democrats. -SocratesJedi | Talk 06:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for catching that... I was knee-deep in some other RC stuff! --FCYTravis 06:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Drake

If you're so concerned about copyright infringment, you made a major mistake putting that page back to its original form because it was copied from about.com

• I can't find any part of the article on about.com. Perhaps you meant answers.com? Part of the article *is* on answers.com, but that's because answers.com is a mirror of Misplaced Pages. That's our article. The content created here is released under the WP:GFDL and as such, can be freely redistributed anywhere. That's why we're so anal about copyvio - all text in Misplaced Pages has to be able to be released under a free license. --FCYTravis 10:57, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

FairTax

I see you made some edits on the article page; welcome to the FairTax article. I'm not trying to 'claim' or 'own' this article, but I would like to see a broader base of contributors, regardless of viewpoint. This article is one those that seem to attract a lot of anonymous attention, so thanks for taking an interest.

Please stop by again and make some more edits, this article needs 'em. Cleaning up that mess at the bottom of the page like you did is especially appreciated.

Don't worry if you revert me, if you have a reason, I won't be offended. Just jump right in. I try to remember that contentious articles like this are the very reason why we have an NPOV tag to apply... people aren't going to agree fully on this issue, but we should have differing views documented properly. Thanks again. --Unfocused 12:40, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again for today's efforts at keeping the FairTax article properly sourced and free from unattributed POV speculation and pie-in-the-sky dreams. What I think the anon doesn't know is that, with proper sourcing, some of the stuff he pasted in (I presume from his FairTax advocacy group) would probably be welcomed. However, you should note that I think he's taken up masquerading as another, logged in user. (See the Talk page; it appears he's impersonating User:Kirk --Unfocused 02:40, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sexual abstinence

Thanks for the edit. Am new at this, but very interested to learn how to contribute properly. Will get that source posted soon. Tertius.

Gitmo

What is a "POV fork"? You used that term at vfd for Koran abuse. Do you mean a fork to push a particular POV (in violation of NPOV policy? Or what? -- Uncle Ed (talk) 22:05, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

A fork that could either A. push a particular POV or B. split a particular POV out of an article in order to make another article free of that POV. I'm in favor of resolving content disputes, not creating second articles on the same topic. --FCYTravis 22:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. I'm doing C. splitting out a particular POV from an article because the other contributors say the scope of the article should exclude that POV. This worked before with Augusto Pinochet, and the results suited everybody. Of course that was a long time ago, it's a new crowd now. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 22:34, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the kind words. Hey, I have cousins up in Arcata, look 'em up when you're up there.  :) RickK 22:15, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Electoral roll

I've asked an admin to protect the redirect and block the user who keeps trying to restore his Star Wars hoax there. Cheers. -- BDAbramson 23:29, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Hi! thank you for your support for my admin candidacy. I hope that you will always feel that I am a responsible administrator. JeremyA 05:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Theo RFA

Thank you for supporting my nomination. Your praise enlarges me. --Theo (Talk) 07:01, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My RFA, Thanks

Hi FCYTravis! Thanks for supporting my adminship! Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My Rfa

Thank you for supporting me! --Kbdank71 13:34, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for supporting me on my RfA. It's always nice to get some positive feedback. I hope I can put my new abilities to some good use. -- grm_wnr Esc 17:33, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RfA

I'm adding myself to the list of thankful admins :)  Grue  06:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RFA Nom.

You've got an admin nomination.

as part of the deal we will be sending you crummy software disks every 7 days and will change all your operating system settings should you decide to use our software. Jtkiefer 03:14, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA

Hello! You're welcome. I'm always happy to support people who will be good administrators. :) --Scimitar 23:53, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks for reverting my user page

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page, I guess that means I'm a big enough name on Misplaced Pages now that the vandals have taken notice. Jtkiefer 05:52, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Double Redirect Cleanup Award

RfA for Sn0wflake

Thank you for your support. I will do my best to ensure that the trust you place on me corresponds to my actions as an admin, as soon as this RfA is over. --Sn0wflake 18:28, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 1 July 2005 02:49 (UTC)

I also beleive you are the 500th admin. See the bottom of wikipedia talk:requests for adminship. Howabout1 July 1, 2005 04:26 (UTC)

You are indeed - we currently have 501, and you're the second entry on here, so you were 500th... congratulations! Shimgray 1 July 2005 14:25 (UTC)

Congrats. Jtkiefer July 2, 2005 04:19 (UTC)

• Congratulations - I trust you'll take care with the mop! ;-) -- BDAbramson July 6, 2005 02:46 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3

PBurka pointed out that an important omission from this proposal: a band could meet WP:MUSIC criterion #5 (sharing a member with a famous band) and still be speedily deletable by this criterion. I've added a sentence to the proposal to reflect this: it now reads An article about a musician or music group that does not assert having released at least one album, nor having had media coverage, nor having a member that is or was also part of a well-known music group. If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to VFD instead. Please consider if you support this new wording, and change your vote if not. Yours, Radiant_>|< July 5, 2005 09:55 (UTC)

Requesting Clarification on Edip Yuksel being speedy kept

I want to know why you speedily kept Edip Yuksel (Ref: Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Edip Yuksel). Voting was on only since early morning 5 July, 2005. What exactly made you stop voting even before 24 hours passed? Please explain your reasoning at Misplaced Pages talk:Votes for deletion/Edip Yuksel. Thanks. --Ragib 5 July 2005 21:19 (UTC)

Khizar- Ragib i can see that ur the only one who really wants this article deleted n i believe i know y. I request u to stop ur bias towards Quran Alone people.

Agreed, Travis. I'm neutral on the deletion issue, but I don't think this was a candidate for speedy keep. I would ask that you provide some more information on your decision to close. --MikeJ9919 5 July 2005 21:34 (UTC)

Please see the page - it was inadvertently closed because someone did not create a new VFD page, thus the new discussion showed up on the June 24 VFD page. I'm on a mission to close out the old VFD pages that are hanging around, and I didn't notice the dates, just the long string of Keep votes. I've copied the votes to a *new* VFD page and properly linked it from the page and the VFD page. In the future, please create new VFDs properly - with a name different than the old one. Don't move the old debate to an archive page. It needs to stay archived on the VFD page. --FCYTravis 5 July 2005 21:42 (UTC)

Thanks for resovling the issue. --Ragib 5 July 2005 21:46 (UTC)

Indeed...thanks, Travis. With regards to "properly" archiving VfDs, you may want to discuss that with admin ALoan, as he was the one who undeleted it and the VfDed it. (We've really been down the rabbit hole on this one.) If there isn't an official admin procedure on it, perhaps it would be a good time to create one? --MikeJ9919 5 July 2005 22:26 (UTC)

Lola valley merge

It appears that you merged the article into Redford Township, Michigan and then deleted it. However, AIUI the GFDL requires that attribution be preserved, which means the original article must be kept (as a redirect) and the source named in the edit summary for the merge. — Gwalla | Talk 6 July 2005 02:24 (UTC)

• I didn't merge. "Lola valley" as a redirect makes no sense. I deleted the Lola valley page and rewrote the information in my own words in the Redford Township, Michigan article. It makes utterly no sense to leave useless redirects floating around. --FCYTravis 6 July 2005 02:27 (UTC)
  • The wording looked very similar. And the consensus was to merge. — Gwalla | Talk 6 July 2005 03:12 (UTC)
    • I merged the information without leaving an utterly pointless redirect. --FCYTravis 6 July 2005 03:14 (UTC)

A VfD cleanup suggestion.

When possible, I'd recommend not cleaning up after VfDs (especially deleting articles) that you voted on unless they was a truly overwhelming vote. Avoiding these will prevent anyone from accusing you of having a conflict of interest in close votes. Since there is no hard and fast standard for what is "close", it makes sense to me to always err on the side of caution. (Trying to keep admins in the best possible light.) Best regards, --Unfocused 6 July 2005 04:18 (UTC)

Pottsville High School VfD

I've done the copyvio check you suggested here, and it is in fact in violation. --Scimitar 7 July 2005 18:53 (UTC)

Your comment in our proposal 1 discussion

Hi, looking at this I was a bit surprised to find what I consider to be a very personal tone. You're focussing on me rather than try to rebut my observation that articles are quite often--on an almost daily basis--listed for deletion by administrators and end up not being deleted. I'd like to ask you to reconsider your comment and, if possible, change the subject and tenor of your comment so that the discussion will continue to be about the subject matter rather than a personality clash. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 8 July 2005 01:18 (UTC)

• Perhaps you should not so loosely toss about "lazy and ignorant" administrators, then, eh? --FCYTravis 8 July 2005 01:34 (UTC)

Persistent vandal

Hi, I've never had to report a persistent vandal before. It seems that User: 65.216.119.103 is going to random pages and changing important facts (dates, names, other things). He's changing pages as fast as I can fix his destruction. He's obviously doing it on purpose, and I don't know wat to do (except that I saw you in the recent changes logs doing admin stuff.) Mrendo 8 July 2005 04:15 (UTC)

Closing VfD discussions

Thank you for your help closing out VfD discussions. As I'm sure you know, we're badly backlogged and can use all the help we can get. I did want to let you know that something happened a couple of the discussions you closed tonight. Of the three discussion pages for Gebäude, Schlafenszeit and Warnung!, and An Untitled Album and Erfahrungsgemaß, only the first had a {{subst:vt}} at the top and only the last had the {{subst:vb}} at the bottom. The page history is confused - not showing your closures at all. I can't figure out if this was a database error or a misunderstanding of the deletion process. If it's a database error, I apologize for bothering you. Thanks again for your help. Rossami (talk) 9 July 2005 03:56 (UTC)

Hatelisting

Delete it again Travis, and protect. Redwolf24 03:01, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

The Mushroom Kingdom

I do not see the point of having it redirect to itself. Please explain, keeping in mind that I have already read the VFD discussion and your post on WP:ANI#Potential linkspam vandalism to Mario Bros/Nintendo related articles. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:51, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

• Forget my previous msg, I see you redirected it to Mushroom Kingdom instead. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Link Spam Question

I had a question regarding an edit which was made over on the Abercrombie_&_Fitch page where a link was removed. I am guessing you declared this link spam and removed it. I disagree with your edit there. As an example of similar links please see the Wal-mart page. I see similar links included "critcism" section as well as the "articles and reports" section. If the link was placed under the wrong heading that is fine, but it did in fact add relevant and factual information to the topic.

Please respond as I don't want to run afoul of the rules.

Cube Jockey 02:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Spam Campaign

There is no spam campaign for The Mushroom Kingdom (at least not from me), so stop claiming it. I've constantly denied this absurdity, and the only reason it's called a spam campaign is because the debate came up AFTER the links were added. -- A Link to the Past 17:54, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Mistaken (?) talk page deletion

Hi Travis. A few days ago, you deleted Template talk:Infobox Company/Syntax Descriptions with a comment of "botmarked orphan talk page". It's not an orphan; it is linked to from Template talk:Infobox Company. Could you please undelete it? It contained very useful information about using the template. — Bcat (talk | email) 15:26, 17 July 2005 (UTC) Never mind, it's been undeleted already. (See here.) — Bcat (talk | email) 21:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Do we need the {{cleanupcsh}} template anymore? Because it wound up on Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion. --Rschen7754 20:23, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

The Shi-tones

Hi. You recently deleted The Shi-tones article. This article is currently on WP:VfD because it did not meet WP:CSD (there is no criteria for deleting band vandity). Can you undelete it so that the article can be reviewed by editors on VfD? Thanks! Pburka 00:26, August 6, 2005 (UTC)