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Meatpuppet?

Bouncehoper: What the crap is a meatpuppet?

Baegis: A marionette that subsists on a diet solely of meat and its derivatives.

Bouncehoper: ...How is that different than a sockpuppet? (also, makes me hungry....)

Baegis: Sockpuppets, of course, eat cotton products, which are severely lacking in nutrition and deliciousness.

Bouncehoper: How....strange....lol. thanks!

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Returning

After much thought and deliberation I have decided to return. Many wikians contacted me by various means and I truly appreciate the support from all of them. Man, did I need that wiki break! I have learned from it and will use the experience to improve. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply

I am not sure I can handle them all. I suggest you post this on the admins' notice board too, if you haven't already. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Heads up about WP:AN topic

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Removal of 3RR warning by User:Appletrees. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Your comment

Sorry, I don't understand your comment. In the seaweed photo, we need to specify which type of seaweed it is. If we don't know, we simply say "seaweed" or "sea vegetables," not "gim." The photographer is most likely dead so we cannot ask that person. Regarding the berry pancake photo, we also need to specify which type(s) of mountain berries they are. I surmise that there are more than one kind of mountain berry in Korea, although the mountain berry liqueur uses a particular kind of berry (I think it's similar to a Western raspberry). The photographer is likely living so we can ask that person which kind(s) of berries were used. If that photographer doesn't know, we can ask where s/he took that photo, and have a Wikipedian go to that place and find out which berries are used by that vendor. In each case, the question should not be blanked until the question is answered, and, also in each case, the caption of each photo should be as accurate as possible. My agenda is making sure all photo captions are absolutely accurate. Badagnani (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

This is the first you ever said "I induced the species from the shape of the seaweed in the old picture and from my knowledge." Regarding the other things, it still is important to know the exact types of berries and vinegar. Koreans do have exact names for specific berries and vinegars, as they were historically not less exacting than Western people in their documentation of cuisine items. We must have the highest standards for details in our articles, and if we don't know the details, the questions in the articles mean that we need to find that. I am working on the mountain berries at this moment, as you will see. It's better to pursue such information with all our energy than simply forget it and blank the question, because our encyclopedia should be as accurate and complete as possible. Badagnani (talk) 23:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not proper to call another Wikipedian "annoying." Badagnani (talk) 23:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

That is what we call an edit such as this. It's not an opinion. Badagnani (talk) 23:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Had you determined which berry/berries they were, and added that information, that would have been proper. As you see, I am pursuing this information with great energy at this moment. Badagnani (talk) 23:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Kim Ki-young question

Hi, Appletrees. I'm gathering information for working on the Kim Ki-young's biography, and have started stub-articles on most of his films. There is one confusing thing about his last film(s)... HERE KMDB lists two films: Angel, Become an Evil Woman (Cheonsa-yeo agnyeoga doela)(1990) and An Experience to Die For (Jug-eodo Jo-eun gyeongheom)(1995). If you go to the articles for these films, both titles are given as alternate titles to the same film. Other sources, such as IMDB, list these films separately also... Can you tell if these are actually two different films? Is the 1995 film a re-make or a re-edit of the first? Dekkappai (talk) 02:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It looked like it could have been a re-make, re-edit... But articles about the director written about the time he died say that he hadn't made a film for about a decade. It makes it look like the 1995 date is an error. Dekkappai (talk) 03:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Appletrees. Right-- I think the GA/FA goal is long-term for now. We'll get there before too long, and I'll start on the Kim Ki-young biography this weekend. That may be the first I'll try to get up to GA standards, since I'm finding a lot of info about him. For now, with all the film stubs, I'm trying to fill in the huge emptiness in Korean cinema before about 2000. It looks like people have been starting articles on whatever film is popular right now, which is perfectly fine, but we've missed a lot of important films from the past-- even the recent past. So I'm trying to get stubs started on some of those, and once they're there we can work on improving and expanding them. I'm finding this work very interesting and a lot of fun. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 16:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I've never seen any Kim Ki-young films. I've asked my local Korean DVD shop, but they carry mostly popular stuff. I'll look for some. He sounds very interesting, like the kind of director that I usually like. One advantage that he has over Im Kwon-taek is that, being dead, we may be able to get by with putting up a nice Fair Use picture of him. ;) Dekkappai (talk) 18:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I lived in Seoul before the Kim Ki-young revival started, so I miss a chance to see his films then. I got to see Sopyonje on first-showing though. The Korean DVD shop I go to is just a small neighborhood shop that sells current, popular stuff. They ordered some older Im Kwon-taek films for me, and I see no one else is buying them... :( I'm sure films by an old, strange director like Kim Ki-young would just sit on their shelves, so I'll look for some of his movies online, it sounds like they must be on DVD... at least Housemaid, I would think. We'll probably visit Korea and Japan again this year or next, and I'll search for sources there too. Dekkappai (talk) 20:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

hi

I saw your message and I also wonder if you think I just take whole paragraphs making edition. That is not, though. But if you think so, I will be more careful. Thanks.(talk) 17:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

oh Never... I understand deeply. I will take your guideline as far as I can. I firstly sign in wikipedia english so I hope it would not make you misunderstand. (talk) 20:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Manhwa

No, I'm really not interested in manga/manhwa. My wife is, and has a large collection of both Japanese & Korean comics though-- mostly women's & cooking comics. I just saw you were having a little trouble there, so added some sourcing I found. I'll keep my eye open for more, and I'll add it if I find it. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 20:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, Appletrees. While researching for my work on Kim Ki-young, I came across THIS. It appears to be a VERY lengthy and in-depth article on Yoon Yeo-jeong, star of Insect Woman, etc. This would be a very good start for an article on a Korean film star from the older days. If you want to start one, based on this news article, I'd certainly be happy to help! (hint! hint!) Dekkappai (talk) 00:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Great, Appletrees. Sounds like it'll be a lot of help for an article on this actress, and maybe for a few quotes or points of interest on Kim Ki-young. There's no rush to get this started though-- I'll print it out and take it home for my wife to help me read it, and use what I can later. OK-- trying to find a picture of the director, then I'll be off for the weekend. Happy editing! Dekkappai (talk) 01:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Ta for your invite onto Wikiproject Korea - I doubt I can help very much, I'm British and I know very little Hangeul, but I can probably add something from time to time on Korean filmmakers and maybe actors - which I will do on some of them, as I often look them up. I wouldn't worry about my username BTW - I realise it could look a bit strange, but I doubt people will worry very much about it! Stopthief (talk) 23:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

An Jung-geun

Regarding this edit summary; be very, very careful what you label "vandalism," especially when you are the one removing wording and references. It's not civil and can be construed as a personal attack. Pairadox (talk) 09:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you are unaware that rvv stands for revert vandalism. If you are not calling it vandalism, then you need to stop using abreviations that don't apply. Oh, and you're very close to a 3RR violation. Pairadox (talk) 10:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, the source you removed was the book Ethnic Nationalism in Korea from Standford University Press, so your objection isn't even valid. Pairadox (talk) 10:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

First of all, you need to read the BIG ORANGE BANNER on my talk page. Don't post there again about this topic. Second, you need to look at the edit history of the page; I didn't add the citation originally, I'm merely reverting your blanking of a source. Third, you are welcome to give any warnings you choose; if you really feel that I've been out of line I suggest taking it to the appropriate noticeboard. Pairadox (talk) 10:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Pairadox, Please don't lie

Note: This thread is relocated from User talk:Pairadox by User:Pairadox because of his strong object and his own rule --Appletrees (talk) 10:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Please be careful if you want to add some reference. The reference which Gettystein provided is "false" and "wrong". The pan-Asianism title is only for Ito Hirobumi, not for Ahn Jung-geun. You clearly did not check the reference. And don't label me uncivil. I didn't say that Gettystein and you vandalize the page. Please don't lie. Did I say you vandalize the page? But you certainly made an error as putting the wrong citation. "Theory of Eastern Peace," was said to have assassinated Ito Hirobumi, a key Japanese promoter of pan-Asianism who later became architect of the protectorate treaty and first residency-general in Korea, because Japan violated its promise of Asian solidarity. (35p) Appletrees (talk) 10:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe that general rvv is regarded as a vandalism in wikipedia and please don't push your own thought. You inserted "false citation" which is regarded as vandalism. I could've gave you a warning sign. Besides, your attitude is clearly a violation of WP:CIVIL unless you are unaware of it.---Appletrees (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You can't force to follow your rule!

Is that all your rationale for your insistence to inserting factual error to the article? Remember, introducing factual error is regarded vandalism'.--Appletrees (talk) 10:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Look, I have no intention of getting drawn into an ego contest with you. I've just reviewed your contribution history and I'm sure that's a contest I'd lose. If you have a problem with the source, you need to bring it up on the talk page of the article. This is about you labelling my revert vandalism, something about which you aren't going to relent. I think we're done here. Any talk about validity of sources should take place on the article's talk page. Pairadox (talk) 11:16, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha, you falsely accused me of labeling someone with incivility and then reverted my edit. And then you removed my comment from your page as if you cleaned up a vandalism. Do you really think that people in dispute with you have a time to look through your orange banner? It didn't get into my attention at all. Your rule is only for your convinience. Please don't push your standard to everyone and don't lie on me. And once you reverted the edit, you have to take the responsibility for what you have done. You support his factual error and didn't even read the citation. My removal of his error is not blanking. Gettystein did blank the valid citation and you even falsely accused me of doing that? Please be civil and try to be neutral. If you can't, why don't you step back from the article? --Appletrees (talk) 10:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

One last thing: from Help:Reverting - "Some Wikipedians abbreviate "revert" as "rv" and "rvv" when reverting vandalism." Pairadox (talk) 11:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Then I really removed the vandalism. And you didn't check it. Please don't insist your rule and I warn you, don't alter my page without my permission.--Appletrees (talk)

I apologize for trying to put the posts in chronological order rather than the semi-segregated confusion it is now. I will, of course, leave that to your discretion. Pairadox (talk) 11:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

What a sarcasm. --Appletrees (talk) 13:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello

copied from User talk:Pairadox
Hello, Pairdox, I come to here to say something. I thought that you support the wrong version and are not neutral to meditate the article. But after reading some discussion at the talk page, you have tried to solve the conflict between the two party. I didn't really mean to label you as a vandal, but to you, my summary made the impression as such, so I sincerely apologize to you for my misunderstanding. I admit that I confused with rv and rvv. I thought rvv means "revert the revert" (two step prior version). Thank you for letting me know not to make a mistake. Bye--Appletrees (talk) 10:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That really means a lot. :) Pairadox (talk) 10:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sock puppets

I created a sockpuppet report here asking other uninvolved admins to look at your situation and take action. Please make any comments, answer their questions, and add any needed evidence there. Thatcher 17:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa

My effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful, and I'll do what I can to ensure your opinion of my suitability for adminship improves. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 05:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Dong-a Ilbo articles/interviews

Hi, Appletrees. I noticed you added one of those Dong-a Ilbo articles to the Ahn Sun-gi article. I've compiled a list of them, links and titles, HERE. You might want to look through them and see if there is anything that would be useful for current or future articles. It looks like an excellent series of pieces for Korean cinema. Dekkappai (talk) 00:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Appletrees. The Kim Ki-young article is done to about 1960/Housemaid. I'll try to fill in the rest this week, then start polishing it. Hopefully all will go well and it'll be our first Korean cinema GA. Dekkappai (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Appletrees. When you get a chance, could you take a look at the KMDB biography of Kim Ki-young HERE, and let me know if there are any interesting biographical facts. I see there is a lot of naming the films he made, which I don't need, since I have a lot of information on them from other sources-- biographical information is what I'm searching for. (There may be a slight question about his place of birth-- every source I've seen says that he was born in Seoul and raised in Pyongyang. However Lee Young-il's The History of Korean Cinema, which is generally reliable, says that he was born in Pyongyang. I am assuming that this is a mistake on Lee's part though.) Thanks!

Also-- Am I reading this correctly? Is THIS a list of contemporary, print newspaper articles on Kim's films? If so, KMDB is an even greater resource than I thought before! PC78 also have a question about KMDB. They show thumbnails of many good images, but we cannot access them because we are not members of the site. Do you know what the requirements are for membership? Dekkappai (talk) 20:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks again, Appletrees! The poem that was published in the Japanese newspaper-- that was in Japanese language, I assume? Right-- I see now that the newspaper citation do not contain the text of the article... At least they will show evidence of coverage in the local press at the time anyway, in case any of these articles are ever nominated for deletion. I'll ask my wife about the 주민등록증, but if she had one it's probably invalid now. At the time we were married, the government took her name off the family registry (because of marrying a foreigner). She didn't take U.S. citizenship until just a couple years ago, so maybe it's still valid, but I doubt it. Anyway, thanks for the help! Dekkappai (talk) 22:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Question: You put in "Kim founded Kim Ki-young production and Sihan Munye film" in the 1970s section... I see Kim's third film, Touch-Me-Not produced by "Kim Ki-young Productions" in 1956, but some later films, such as Free Woman are produced by "Shin Han Films Co., Ltd." Do you know if this is the same company? (Maybe just the name for Kim's own production company, largely financed by his wife?) Dekkappai (talk) 00:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks... Hmm... Well, if he founded the one in 1956, then a different one in 1979, and the 1956 company is not mentioned after the 1979 company... I guess they're both just his names for his own production company? Dekkappai (talk) 00:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

OK-- I'll copy that cine21 biography and take it home to help work on the article this week. With a Korean-English dictionary, it should be a lot of help. Thanks! Dekkappai (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

See talk page

" Discuss first before reverting" What are you talking about? I wrote my idea at Talk:Pyrus pyrifolia#"Received" and waited for a while. Nobody objected. So I changed the caption. If you have some opinion, you should write at the talk page not at the eddit summary.--Mochi (talk) 13:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Your request to Thatcher

I don't think it's much use. The anon was editing on a day when Opp2 wasn't active. Since it's a dynamic IP, there'll be nothing to link it to the IPs Opp2 has been using since his return, over and above the fact it's the same ISP, which we already know. If there was anything else Thatcher could possibly find out, he'd probably already have told us. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

KMDB

Hi, Appletrees. Just to let you know-- My wife's 주민등록증 became invalid once she took US citizenship a couple years ago. She thinks her sister may let me use hers for access to KMDB though-- If I gain access to the site, I'll let you & PC78 know. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 19:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

About Kim Ki-young's birth-neighborhood: Do you know if Gyo-dong is present-day Donggyo-dong / Seo-gyo-dong in Mapo-gu? Dekkappai (talk) 21:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks... It might be useful to find out the current name of Gyo-dong, to place Kim's place of birth more accurately... I'll look around for it. Dekkappai (talk) 22:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Great, Appletrees. (I have no idea how combining the two districts would "terminate" Korean culture... but I'm certainly glad they failed!) Anyway, we can now correctly say he was born in the current neighborhood of Jongro-gu? If so, I'll put it in the article with a citation to this university source. Thanks again! Dekkappai (talk) 22:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Also-- thanks for moving the Korean article to a more correct name (I assume that was you). I hope you can expand the article, since creating it used up all of my Korean language writing ability. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 22:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. Very interesting-- Yes, it sounds like just the type of tactics that were employed at that time... I've been meaning to start an article on Im Kwon-taek's Jokbo which tells about similar, more drastic things-- the family name-changes. (Or have I started that already?) Anyway, I don't think we need to put in much about the Japanese occupation in the Kim Ki-young article, since, apparently, Kim himself was not affected by it any more than the average Korean citizen of the time. (It's not like he joined the resistance and was jailed and tortured, like Na Woon-gyu.) I do have one question about it though-- One source says that Kim returned to Japan in 1945 to avoid military service. How could this be? It seems like, with that being the most desparate part of the war for Japan, that they would have been putting every male into the military... If you can find a source that explains this, I'm sure it would help the article, since this is the kind of question that comes up at a GA review. Dekkappai (talk) 23:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I also noticed he seemed friendlier to Japan than usual for Koreans of his generation, for whatever reason. But there's no need for us to judge him at the article, just to get the facts straight. I'm sure he did what he had to do to get by. And, after all, he was an artist, not a politician, so his political views are pretty irrelevant. Dekkappai (talk) 23:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Input requested

Please provide a summary at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for mediation/Taekwondo - thanks much. KillerChihuahua 17:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Iodo (film)

Thanks for the note, Appletrees. Yes, Iodo looks like one of Kim's best and most interesting films. It's probably the one I most want to see, after Housemaid (though Killer Butterfly sounds pretty interesting, as do many others...) Just looking at those stills, it's amazing Kim was able to film this in South Korea in 1977. koreanfilm.org says it has one of the most shocking scenes in all of Korean cinema-- and, you may have guessed, I enjoy strange and bizarre elements in cinema. Please add all you can to the article. I'll keep an eye on it and do what I can for it as well. I've been working a little on other articles, but I'll try to get the Kim Ki-young article finished, first-draft, by Tuesday. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 17:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

I knew I ran out of my 3RR. This is just ridiculous. I've dealt with POV-pushers before but none of them had the audacity to add a fact with a source that blatantly contradicts his claim. миражinred (speak, my child...) 21:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. On a brighter note, you know you are doing the right thing when tendentious editors are angry at you. When people leave me unpleasant comments on my talk page, I just mark them and hide them so that I don't have to see them again. миражinred (speak, my child...) 21:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't thank you enough for informing me of this Rfcu case. Do we even live in the same country? This is ridiculous. миражinred (speak, my child...) 22:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Well.. It looks like someone has been blocked I'm surprised that obvious sock accounts like Amazonjoke hasn't been blocked yet. миражinred (speak, my child...) 13:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Kim Ki-young

Hi, Appletrees. I've just finished first-draft of the article. I had a personal suspicion that Song Il-gon may have been influenced by Kim, especially since, like Iodo, he sets two films on small islands near Cheju-do (and isn't there an island-- Parangdo?-- which is in both Kim and Song's films?...) This was pure guess-work on my part, but I've found a user comment HERE which says, "I still remember when he got Grand Prix at Seoul Short Film Festival in 1998. In that time, Kim Ki-Young, the director of and chair of festival committee, urged that Grand Prix should go to Song. A genius recognized other genius." I think this would be very interesting to add to the Song Il-gon article, and maybe Kim Ki-young also, however a user comment is not a reliable source for this kind of information. I'll look for English sourcing for this (that Kim was director of the festival, and that he wanted Song to get the Grand Prix). But maybe it would be easier if you could find a Korean source? Also, about Gyo-dong/Jongno-gu at THIS article. I'd like to add that information, but, since it's in Korean, I'd like to put an exact quote from the article that states old Gyodong is now in Jongno-gu. I couldn't find an exact quote which states that myself, maybe you could? It's been fun working on this article-- I'll spend the next week touching it up (I think we need a better caption for the image-- when and where the picture was taken), and then put it up for GA review next week. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 23:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Also-- I think an image of the 1997 Pusan International Film Festival-- either a photo of Kim, or a program cover on the Kim retrospective-- would be nice. I haven't been able to locate one online. Dekkappai (talk) 23:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Appletrees! I'm only online for a couple more minutes today, but I'll work on touching up the article starting tomorrow. Thanks for the help and encouragement! Dekkappai (talk) 00:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Gyodong

Hi, Appletrees. I'm sorry to be so picky about this minor detail... I do think it is appropriate and interesting to know the location and current name of Kim's birthplace, but I still can't quite find an exact quote that says where it is... The article has a lot about the Japanese changing the names of places, which is very interesting and important for Seoul history (maybe there is or should be such an article on Misplaced Pages), but I don't think we need to go into detail about this at Kim's article, especially since it's already large. Anyway, the most pertinent sentence I find in the article is "경운동은 원래 교동과 석정동이라는 이름을 경운동이라 바꾼 것이다." which I make out to say, "Kyeongun-dong was created by changing the names of places originally called Gyo-dong and Seokjeong-dong into Kyeongun-dong." So we know Gyo-dong became Kyeongun-dong, but I can't see where the text says where Kyeongun-dong is... The Korean wiki artile on Jongnogu lists all the current "동"s in Jongno, but Kyeongun-dong is not one of them. I do find Kyeongun-dong at the article on 서울 종로구의 국회의원, and an English Google search on "Kyeongun-dong" brings up a few addresses, "Kyeongun-dong, Jongro-Gu", so I have no doubt that it is true-- Old Gyodong is now in Jongnogu, but how to source it? I think we can combine a source-- the first article showing that Gyodong became Kyeongun-dong, and then a second source showing that Kyeongun-dong was (or is?) part of Jongno-gu. I hope I'm not being irritatingly picky about this-- having lived in Seoul for a few years, I find this all very interesting. Dekkappai (talk) 19:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm finding more hits on "Kyungun-dong"-- it's near Insadong, right? One of my favorite places... But I'm still just finding business addresses, etc. Dekkappai (talk) 20:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Here we have Mingadaheon (Min’s club), address: "Gyeongun-dong, Jongno-gu ,Seoul"... Again, there's no doubt Gyeongun-dong is in Jongno-gu now, but this isn't a very good reference source. Maybe I'll go look for some print maps of Seoul... Dekkappai (talk) 20:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Appletrees! My search for English evidence turned up nothing, but the Jongno link you provided pointed to this article on 경운동, with this information: "...교동은 경운동·낙원동·종로2가~종로3가에 걸쳐 있는 마을이다." which I make out as: "Gyodong Village is (now) Kyeongundong and Nakweondong, which make Jongno 2nd Street and Jongno 3rd Street." Please let me know if my translation is wrong. If my interpretation is correct, I think this will work fine as a source... Whew! Dekkappai (talk) 22:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Good, we got that problem fixed! Thank you for the DVD box information! I'm going to have to find a good Internet source for Korean DVDs, since the shop I go to mainly serves ajumas who like current soap-operas and light comedies... I had strong suspicions that there was a connection between Song and Kim-- Feathers in the Wind mentions Parangdo (if I remember right), and so does Kim's Iodo. Also Song's Flower Island seems to have a connection with Iodo, though since I haven't seen either movie it was just a guess. Also, some of the most memorable moments of Spider Forest-- like the little girl floating up into the sky in the forest flashback-within-a-flashback, or the policeman's cell-phone playing the Can-can warning the criminals just before an extremely brutal and bloody arrest-- have the kind of bizarre/surreal/fantastic touch that is so important to Kim's style. Dekkappai (talk) 23:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Next question-- In the article I have the phrase "Syngman Rhee's dictatorial rule"-- a paraphrase of one of the sources. Is this too POV? Or is it generally agreed his rule was "dictatorial?" The Wiki-article says, "As president, Rhee assumed dictatorial powers even before the Korean War broke out..." Dekkappai (talk) 00:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

OK-- I'll re-phrase it. Dekkappai (talk) 00:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

"marking the end of the rule of the political strongman Syngman Rhee through the civilian April Revolution"... Better? Dekkappai (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, my own understanding-- maybe it's just a personal distinction-- is that "strongman" is a little softer than "dictatorial". Wiki's definition implies they're interchangeable. Do you have a better way of putting it? My understanding is that he was a strong ruler, but maybe not strong enough to be called "Dictator"-- except by those with a strong political opposition to him... Dekkappai (talk) 17:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

On further thought, maybe we should follow Kim감독님's example, and avoid politics as much as possible. I'll try to re-write this section to show only how these administrations affected the film community... In that case "oppressive" will be applying not to the whole country, and the leaders' way of ruling the country, but to how free or how strict these leaders were towards film-making... Maybe that will work. Dekkappai (talk) 18:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem-- I think we're best off not making a judgment on the president himself in this article, just on how his policies affected Kim & filmmaking in Korea. I know he was good for Korean cinema in the '50s-- he encouraged the industry, but sources say that after he was taken out of rule, filmmakers took advantage of the situation to make some of the more daring films of the time. And that situation stopped with the leadership of Park Jung-hee. Anyway, I'll continue touching up the article today and tomorrow, and maybe ask someone more familiar with Good Article review to look over it then. Dekkappai (talk) 19:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about that, Appletrees, I see the nasty sock trouble you've got, and wish you good luck there. I really appreciate your input and help on this article. About the lead, I agree with you-- I think the lead should summarize the subject in just a few sentences. But the only other GA I've done so far-- Takechi Tetsuji-- went to GA review with a small lead. I was told then that the lead needed to summarize the entire article. Anyway, if I'm told to cut the lead down, that will be easier than making it longer.... Dekkappai (talk) 20:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Baeksang/Hanguk Awards

One more question, Appletrees: I find many sources which say Kim won the Baeksang award in 1973 for best director, for Insect Woman. But Lee Young-il does not mention this award, instead he says Kim won the "Hanguk Play and Film Art Award" in 1973... but no other source mentions this. Is it possible that these are the same award? Dekkappai (talk) 20:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

OK-- I answered this on myself-- THIS says "Hanguk Play and Film Awards sponsored by the Hanguk Daily Newspaper and established in 1965." and THIS says "the Baek Sang Art Awards (run since 1965 by the Hankook Ilbo"-- so they're the same. Dekkappai (talk) 21:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't catch that, but you already solve it! ^__^ --Appletrees (talk) 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey-- if you think the article is too long now, look what I just found: 144 pages in English! I'll have to get it for my own interest. Later on, when we try to get it to Feature Article quality, this will be very useful! Dekkappai (talk) 22:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

New articles

It is customary to gather your information first, before creating an article. Reliable sources do not include the subject's own website or writings, for obvious reasons. If you have reliable sources, recreate the article once you have them ready to be part of the new article. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

No problem, Appletrees-- You may have noticed my first main area of editing is in Japanese pornography, a subject which is constantly targeted for deletion, so I've learned quite a bit on how to deal with this sort of thing. Orange Mike is right though-- the best way to ensure an article, even a new stub, is not deleted is to provide sourcing. If you need help again, just let me know! Dekkappai (talk) 23:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

No-- I'm on the wrong coast. It looks like Kim Ki-young is being revived again though. I look forward to the DVD-release. This website that has the books might get it. Dekkappai (talk) 23:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Sock puppet report

I have moved your report from WP:ANI to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/210.250.17.68. Please watch that page. Jehochman 15:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Kim Ki-young

Hi, Appletrees. I have good news and bad news... I was just about to submit the article for GA review (I couldn't find that negative criticism I thought I saw before), when I came across THIS very good English biography, THIS interview and THIS! Now I'm going to have to go through the article again and add information from these sources! GA review? Maybe tomorrow?! Dekkappai (talk) 00:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Appletrees! I read through the new biography last night and was happy to see that I had got the whole basic story right, from picking up pieces here and there at other articles. (I'm actually glad I didn't find this one earlier, because I would have probably basically copied/paraphrased it. I learned a lot more by searching for one fact at a time here and there.) The new biography did have some specific dates and some information about his family, which I've added to the article. I did find those negative comments about Yangsando, so I've put them in. I really think the article is good enough now to pass GA, and all this new information we're finding can be added later, when we try to get it up to FA status. I'll check through the new comments/suggestions, finish up tinkering with the article, post it later, and submit it for GA today. After that, I'll take a little break from Kim Ki-young. Maybe look for another GA to start, start more film stubs (lots of very important films still need starting), or something else. I'll order that book on Kim Ki-young later (I see they have several similar books on other Korean directors also), and if you keep up your research, once we have it as a GA, we'll have lots of information to put it up to FA. Thanks for all your help! Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 17:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I've added a little from the Cine21 article. Maybe that's enough for now-- I'm sure we could keep adding and adding until we have a book on him! The only thing I think the article is really missing is a good quote from Kim. Neither of the two interview articles I showed you above have a good quote from the director summarizing his philosophy or style of filmmaking... The one you show-- "I don't do art, but just play with film as my hobby"-- is OK, but not really long enough. I'd like to put something like that in a block quote in the article. Maybe I'll find one later in the 144-page book. Dekkappai (talk) 19:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quotes. I'll see if I can make out anything that might work as a block quote/statement, then maybe we can work out a translation. If not, the article is probably ready to go as is. Dekkappai (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I answer it to your talk page. I think “인간의 몸을 자르면 검은 피가 나온다” describes what kind of film Kim Ki-young had made.--Appletrees (talk) 20:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Appletrees! How does this sound?

"I'm a scientist specializing in medicine. That makes me close to a technician... As an independent producer, I have to be a type of skilled laborer. There were many times that I had to make a film quickly. At those times, I kept entertainment-value in mind. Not once have I made a film for the sake of making the film itself. My taste is in looking through the camera. Filming happens to correspond with that taste. Art films are what Yu Hyun-mok makes. That's because director Yu wants to make art films. I just make films by following my heart, so the analysis I leave to all of you." (나는 의학을 전공한 과학자란 말이지. 그게 나를 테크니션에 가깝게 만들었어... 자기제작방식이라는 게 내게 일종의 숙련을 요구했지. 단기간에 빨리 만들어야 하는 경우도 많았고. 그러다 보니 흥행이라는 것도 많이 염두에 뒀다. 나는 영화를 의식해서 만든 영화는 한편도 없다. 카메라를 들여다보는 것은 내 취향이다. 취향에 맞으 니까 지금까지 만들어온 거다. 예술영화는 유현목 감독이 하는 것이다. 유감독은 예술영화를 만들고 싶어하니까. 나는 그저 내 마음 가는 대로 영화를 만들었으니 분석은 여러분들이 해주기 바란다).

If there are any huge errors, let me know. Otherwise, I'll go ahead and post it, then put it up for GA-- the end of the day draws near, and I want to get it there today. (My previous experience with GA showed me we may have to wait over a month to get any input, but at least we can relax and start on other projects in the meantime...) Dekkappai (talk) 23:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

OK-- done! (?)Dekkappai (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... The alignment looks good on this computer-- I adjusted the settings till I got it right. It probably looks different on different screens... If you know a way of fixing the settings so they'll look good on all screens, please go ahead and do it-- I'm not very good at that sort of thing. I suggest we don't edit the article except for small formatting things like that though, since stability is one of the criteria for GA. Dekkappai (talk) 23:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! That's a small matter anyway-- whoever reviews it can let us know how to fix it if need be. Whew! Time for a break, and time to think about new things to edit! Take care, I'll be back online next week! Dekkappai (talk) 23:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Films/Core

I was wondering if you had any opinions on this (specifically regarding the selection of Korean films). Currently, the ten Korean films on the list are selected solely on the basis of user votes on IMDb. I've already raised several concerns on the talk page, but some other opinions (of any kind) would be helpfull. Regards. PC78 (talk) 04:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know of this. I will input my thought on that.--Appletrees (talk) 12:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your RFCU case

Hi, I had a chance to have a look at the case you filled, and to be honest it badly needs formatting, and I'm a bit afraid to do it because I'm not sure of who is in which group and did what. If you find the time, can you go back and edit your message to explain clearly the rationale behind each check. In this state, I'm not sure a CU will perform the checks if they are not sure of what they should be looking for. -- lucasbfr 13:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I'll format it tider than the current one. --Appletrees (talk) 13:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Did I? woops sorry then! Errr, I can't find the people I removed by looking at the diffs. Can you double check and readd them? (Sorry for "crap", it's just policy for clerks not to comment on the merits of a case and therefore arguing on my talk page is just a waste of time and bytes) -- lucasbfr 15:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Open Proxy nightmare

There are several quick answers;

1. There might be an adaptive firewall that blocks Cluebot's IP port scan, which when done by someone from another IP that's not blocked will come up with the "right" answer.
2. The suspected proxy may actually be an open TOR (had a slew of those about a month ago if I remember correctly)
3. Cluebot gets bad input information (like missing digits)
4. Sometimes a messup in a software programme on the server, Microsoft's Remote Desktop Protocol, may leave a port "open" to a null username and password (or sometimes in other software a "default" setting), which in effect is an open port. We'll often e-mail the findings to the network admin & let them know, as it's easily fixed.
5. Some users have access to AmiDaniel's tool (not me) that does a more vigorous scan of the IP

I'm sure there's more, but those are the ones that come to mind right off. SkierRMH (talk) 20:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Followup: A couple of those "interesting ports" are easily explainable.

• TCP port 23 will show up quite often because it enables two hosts to establish a connection and exchange streams of data. This makes it a target for viruses & Trojans (if I remember right, it was the 'ADM worm' most recently... would need to check that out...). The bot & other scanners will often show this as "flagged" because in the past it may have been used by said virus or Trojan as a mode of communication. This doesn't mean it's opened, just that it may be compromised. (that was 213.146.135.126)
• TCP port 22 is the Secure Shell, which is theoretically encrypted. Some old servers may be using an older non-secure version (probably will show up as SSH or SSH1 at the end of the line), which will "flag" this due to known security issues in the past that used a known flaw therein. (89.165.7.76)
• The Canadian one (216.58.96.135) is a real mess:

• 22 was old version
• 80 HTTP - my guess is that this & 443 are old CISCO Authentication Library Vulnerabilities that have not been updated?
• 554 Real Time Streaming Protocol - this is a streaming media port that allows a client to remotely control a streaming media server; my presumption is that this shouldn't be open unless it's serving in this capacity
• 8001 (or 8000 or 8080) is the standard proxy server open port - 8000/1 is sometimes misconfigured as 8080
• 9443/tcp open tcpwrapped - guess on this one, it's part of WSO2 which may have configuration issues

• Port 5800 (128.205.33.79) is Virtual Network Computing used, which is common in university settings, given the owner of the ISP, this wouldn't be considered out of the norm.

Some of the others are pretty esoteric, as long as they're not showing as an "open proxy" there's probably not a huge worry (at least the time the scan was made :). SkierRMH (talk) 05:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops, the second question is, you're guess is as good as mine... I checked Help:Special page and it appears that it only shows images that have been uploaded, couldn't find anything that lists pages created. SkierRMH (talk) 05:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:You impersonated me

Misplaced Pages is not a place for battle ground. You've seen that I equally gave warnings to both parties, but you really act like a twin of Koreakorea1. You or Koreakorea1 inserted wrong statics or blanked information unrelated to statics. Why? I don't think the new advent of open proxy users are coincidence. You or your friend extend edit warring not only in English wikipedia but also 12 other language places.

And why did you intentionally copy and paste my comment to others? --Appletrees (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

1, There is not wrong statistics and blanked info in the article of south korea. If there are, please tell me.
2., Simply I felt it was suitable sentences to warn. Why are you so heating up?
3, Probably you are saying about the article of South Korea. I saw the article of South Korea in other major languages(Deutsch, Español, Français, Nederlands, Português , Suomi and 中文), but I can not find out the edit war in these languages. Please tell me which 12 languages, I'll check them. There is many languages having the article of South Korea.--Cvcc (talk) 11:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposed change to {{Proxyip2}}

I'm looking for input from recent Misplaced Pages:WikiProject on open proxies users regarding the above template. your input on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject on open proxies would be appreciated, if you have any preferences regarding the TOR link in the template. SkierRMH (talk) 04:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Same old Misplaced Pages

Hi, Appletrees, I've been so hectic for a while. Thank you for leaving me a message in my box. As expected, Misplaced Pages has never been changed. I will help you remove irksome bugs messing up Korea-related articles whenever I can do so.Patriotmissile (talk) 02:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Please give the opinion

The relation between imperial household and Baekjae of Japan is being discussed. I hope for your opinion. --Princesunta (talk) 10:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Need help with a Korean language article

Do you read Korean? I don't, so I need someone to verify the 3rd citation in Kim Mu-saeng and make sure that the information in the article is correct. I originally got the info from here, but I can't really use that as a reliable source. A thread on Soompi gave the hangul of "Special Contribution Award" as 공로상, so I googled that with 김무생 and found the Chosun article. The google translation suggests that it is correct, but I'd like to be sure. Thanks! PC78 (talk) 16:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! PC78 (talk) 16:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Kim Ki-young‎ has passed!

Just thought I'd let you know, the article just passed GA! Thanks again for all the help with the article! Dekkappai (talk) 22:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hangul

I added content to the page 'Hangul', citing discover magazines 1994 article 'Writing Right' on written language in which Hangul was explored as a systematic, scientific system of writing as well as an explanation on why hangul was considered vulgar by the literate elite. It was deleted and I was warned against continuing to vandalize wikipedia. This was the first content I have added to a wikipedia page and since wikipedia's function is to provide information, if I did so incorrectly or placed information in the wrong section I do apologize. I am now learning to use wikipedia(I just learned how to link and leave date+time) so I suppose I should make the preview button my new best friend.To add information are there specified guidelines, or is it more individualistic? I am reading further into the help section on how to edit pages and properly source materials to avoid being speculated on as a 'vandalizer'. I since you have made more edits than I have, if you wish to impart some wisdom, please do!CatherineKim (talk) 10:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, I was under the belief that added content had to be approved before it appeared on the page. I also didn't know one could view history edits, seeing how improperly I added content(somehow only one unedited paragraph was added) I will use more caution. CatherineKim (talk) 10:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Long time abusing Misplaced Pages by Japanese editors from 2channel meat/sock puppets

Your message

This is outrageous. Is it known which WP editors have been carrying on such disruptive off-wiki chats? They apparently see editing WP as some kind of war, which it most certainly should not be. And the greatest motivation is that the conduct and motivations they ascribe to others seem to be more strongly held by themselves, as evinced by their own discussion. You must have taken a lot of time to translate this; I suppose they used Japanese as a kind of "code" (even transliterating into hiragana the names of editors, to prevent them finding themselves via Google search). I wish you the best of luck in putting an end to this terrible disruption, which we can now plainly see much like lifting up a rock. Badagnani (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Exposed to 2chan?

Ok ok. I think I understand a little bit. There seems to be some kind of malicious group of 2chan users that are abusing Misplaced Pages. But what does 2chan have to do with me? Did you see my name somewhere on 2chan? I would be grateful for any information you have. Thanks! Yaki-gaijin (talk) 07:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi !

Hello Appletrees. Thanks for the notice! Yes, I am aware that I am exposed to a malicious group of ill-doers at 2CH (Not to say that the whole of 2CH are vandals, but racist sentiments are indeed strong in many parts of the forum) for a while now. There was a discussion going about that during at the discussion page of Dokdo/Liancourt Rock, where several people linked posts from 2CH where any wikipedia editors judged of having a favorable or moderately favorable stance toward Korea was "blacklisted" (incidentally, many editors who extensively helped improve the number and qualities of Japan-related articles were also pegged and harassed).

Also, 2008FromKawasaki and his ring of sock puppetry reminds me of a user named Kamosuke, who first got involved in Misplaced Pages trying to change BoA's nationality to that of Japan (very similar style in everything, and he was banned a long time ago ... almost 2 years ago).

I will be sure to show up more often and lend my support in clearing Misplaced Pages of sock puppets and vandals; they add nothing to the quality of wikipedia and disrupt many others' efforts with their warmongering. I am very busy right now with exams and such, but contact me if you have any queries. Thanks for your effort. Deiaemeth (talk) 08:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up

It just sounded funny, when you said "exposed to 2Channel." Whatever. Talk is cheap; the vast majority of people don't put their money where their mouth is, so to speak, and even fewer have the foresight or intelligence to do it right. Unfortunately for them, I can and I have.

What were we accused of socking each other for?Ecthelion83 (talk) 04:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, can you tell me what | this, i.e. the Japanese that's struck-through says? Thanks. And what do you think s/he means when s/he says "Ecthelion83 doesn't move"?Ecthelion83 (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I translated the struck sentence by Azukimonaka (talk · contribs) According to 2channel, even though you and I are confirmed unrelated, they strongly believe you're my sock.:D They believe in such the illusion.~~ --Appletrees (talk) 14:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding

I understand what you trying to do, but be careful not to go over board. While socks can disrupt Misplaced Pages and influence a consensus we should not go out of the way to provoke over editors and make it look like we are on some sort of a mission. We need to assume good faith. And evaluate the contributions of an editor before we investigate their actions. Are they good faith editors, or are they POV biased editors. You may want to pay a visit to User:Jehochman and he can help you figure out the relationships between anons, based on their patern of editing. This way you can target your investigation instead of looking for a needle in a haystack. Igor Berger (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hanbando

Hi, Appletrees. About the Joongang Ilbo article-- I think you're correct that it doesn't belong in "Plot," since it is an interpretation/criticism of the film. But do you think it is appropriate in "Criticism?" I've moved it there and rewritten a little. Hope this settles the little dispute. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 19:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way-- I didn't watch the film to the end (I didn't like it...), so I don't know for sure if Japan actually does apologize at the end or not... If the plot description is wrong, we can fix that. But if the article describes the ending wrong, I'm not sure what we should do. Dekkappai (talk) 19:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, the Jongang Ilbo is a pretty big paper, so I think its review and interpretations are valid criticism (though not in the plot description). We could balance it with comment/criticism from other sources, but I don't think we should just remove it... Like you, though, this movie did not interest me much, so I probably won't work on the article... Just trying to resolve the dispute. Dekkappai (talk) 19:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Appletrees-- I looked around and found a couple more reviews... WOW! That movies gets some bad comments! I guess you and I weren't the only ones who didn't like it! Korea Herald says it's "...a huge disappointment, if not a disaster." And check out Kim Kyu-hyun at koreanfilm.org: "There is hardly any doubt that Hanbando is the worst Korean film of 2006, and possibly the worst Korean film to deal with a historical subject made in the last ten years ...almost shockingly inept..." Ouch! :) Dekkappai (talk) 01:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Ming Tsai

As a living, public figure, Misplaced Pages works off of the assumption that a free license image of him could be made. If he was dead or a recluse, then a non-free image would be perfectly fine.

As it is now, however, we should wait until someone snaps a pic of him and releases it to the Public Domain, GFDL, or the CC.

For more on the topic, see the first criteria at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria.

Cheers and keep up the great work on Korea-related articles. y'am'can (wtf?) 22:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Update: I found a flickr image of Tsai that is released under an acceptable license here. Would you like to upload it, or do you want me to do it? y'am'can (wtf?) 22:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you a lot!!!! I'll upload it by myself. Internet world is filled with gems. :) --Appletrees (talk) 22:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

But is it okay to upload the image with by-nc-nd?

I was wrong. It isn't a free image. My bad. *slaps self on forehead. y'am'can (wtf?) 22:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that is okay. He is a famous figure, so I hope somebody would generously upload his image with an acceptable license someday. :) --Appletrees (talk) 22:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking through flickr right now, but it seems that no one has used a Misplaced Pages-friendly license. y'am'can (wtf?) 22:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for caring. I think I would email the copyright holder of the aformentioned image. --Appletrees (talk) 22:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Jeongol

Can you make an article for this? I guess it's a stew rather than a soup. Badagnani (talk) 21:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

It is an elaborated stew like dish but I don't know I can create the article right now. --Appletrees (talk) 21:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

See Jeongol. Can you check the entry for jeongol at http://korean.go.kr/ to make sure I got the definition right? I think it says beef broth rather than beef, but I'm not sure. Badagnani (talk) 22:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Need romanization

Can you add RR romanization for 섬초롱꽃 at Campanula takesimana? Badagnani (talk) 22:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

2channel

Hello. I just saw your post today. What do you mean I've been exposed by 2channel?--DandanxD (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Bsharvy and User:Rachel63 sockpuppet case

User:Bsharvy is a she! Please read about the case User_talk:Equazcion#Anti-Americanism Thank for your attention. Igor Berger (talk) 11:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sinseollo

If sinseollo is a variety of jeongol, this should be reflected in the text at Korean royal court cuisine. Badagnani (talk) 18:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, jeongol is not even mentioned in the text of sinseollo. Badagnani (talk) 18:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:DR initiated for Prostitution in South Korea & Gimbap

As per our archived discussion at WP:AN/I here, I have initiated WP:DR in the respective talk pages as follows:

• Talk:Prostitution in South Korea#WP:NPOV violations / "Prostitution for tourists during the 1970s"
• Talk:Gimbap#The origin of Gimbap

Please continue discussion there.--Endroit (talk) 18:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections

The WikiProject Films coordinator selection process is starting. We are aiming to elect five coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by March 28! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 10:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Choi Seung-hee

Hi Appletrees-- I put up a picture of Choi Seung-hee taken in 1930. (Unfortunately, I misspelled her name while uploading it!) I claimed it as "Non-free" because I didn't know the copyright. Would it fall under Japanese copyright? If so, it's free. If Korean-- 50 years after the death-- I guess it wouldn't be... Dekkappai (talk) 22:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Right-- I'd seen that documentary on her a few years ago, and I was very suprised that we apparently didn't have an article started... and then saw it was under the Japanese pronunciation! (By the way-- I don't know about the editor who started the article, but it does seem like an understandable mistake if he is Japanese. I wouldn't call that vandalism, since, at least, he started an article on her...) Anyway, good to hear from you again! Take care. Dekkappai (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

OK-- like I say, I don't know the guy, and I know you've had more dealings with this sort of thing. Anyway, good to see the article has been "found" and is now getting some good work! Maybe I'll watch the documentary again and use it to fill out the article. She's a very interesting subject, as I recall. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 23:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, the fact s/he didn't make any redirects from various (or any) Korean spellings of her name made that article very hard to find. At least those redirects should have been made. Interesting that this editor seems to have been a very early one, as the article was begun in 2003. Badagnani (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess if many people keep eye on Nanshu (talk · contribs), he would not dare to do such things. Of course, I checked to see if wikipedia already had the article on her, but it was very hard to find the article. He can read and write Korean, so the exclusion appears to be intentional. Can you imagine what this guy has done to Korean related article for that long time.--Appletrees (talk) 23:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Happy First Day of Spring!

Just wishing you a wonderful First Day of Spring {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}! ~~~~

dog poop girl image

hey..long time no see.

You seem to have more experience with uploading images and dealing with copyright issues than I do, can you explain to me, what I have to do, in order to make the dog poop girl image acceptable for wikipedia? I think the image is very important to the article, because the article is as much about the image being put online, as it is about the actual girl. If there had been no image, then there would have been no story. The image is not being used by the original copyright holder for any financial gain, but I do not know who the original copyright holder is. What can I do to make the image suitable? Sennen goroshi (talk) 05:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Korean Language

Sorry about what i did to the Korean language article. When i edited the article, the "name" section did not show up because the text read ==Name=p, so I just decided to delete the text because there was no information directly below to support the section. If you do not believe me, please look up the editing history to the Korean Language page. I have nothing against anything korean, and in fact i am planning to learn the language sometime soon. Hope this clarifies things and i am absolutely against vandalism on wikipedia. 69.255.197.173 (talk) 01:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

ANI

You should be aware of this thread on ANI. You are edit warring on Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Bshanvy‎. Please stop. Additionally, calling comments "trolling" when they aren't isn't very civil. IrishGuy 23:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Blocked (your conflict with User:Amagase over Fraud)

I've looked into this incident. I'm sorry, but in this instance I see the disruptive behaviour entirely on your side. Amagase was making reasonable, good-faith edits, making a reasonable point about the coverage of the fraud article. You followed him to that article after reverting him elsewhere (on Seven-Branched Sword) and launched into a highly aggressive harassment campaign against him. Your NPA warning comes across as highly inappropriate after the aggressive language you used against him yourself. Your conduct towards Amagase was marked by aggressiveness and assumptions of bad faith from start (see "intentionally") to finish ("you blatantly lie"). Then you file a 3RR report and, when that is rejected, you go admin-shopping to get your opponent blocked. As for the substance of the matter, throughout all this incident, you have failed to respond to the substance of Amagase's objection, that academic fraud and fraud proper in the technical, criminal sense are two different things and that Fujimura doesn't belong in a treatment of the latter. On the other hand, your own edits, especially this one (destroying the alphabetical order) seem to have been motivated by nothing else but the desire to make a Japanese look bad.

I'm blocking you 31h for disruptive editing and harassment. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Caspian blue (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I take a risk to get blocked myself by you as reporting the case to you instead of reporting at ANI. If you feel like I take advantage of your favor or the past incidents relating 2channel, nope, because I know you're not the kind of person. However, if that case happened, I expected to get blocked along with him, not solely myself because the civility issue and edit warring are interaction between me and him, not solely done or initiated by myself. Positing ANI requires me to spend much time so I chose to let you know of this with a risk. I have not followed him at all because the articles have been on my list for over four months, because they're link to Japanese textbook controversies. However, I had not edited those articles until recently because I'm learning and reading step by step and the articles are too broad to catch up with. Rather, he has followed my recent edits and confessed the fact and then removed Korean mentions on Kofun and Azuka period articles which I previously edited before him. He falsely accused me of making disruptive edits and made threats several times.(I have checked your recent edits and easily noticed your obvious anti-Japanese and Korean nationalistic attitude.), but I only restored blanked edits by Japanese editors or him. Seven-Branched Sword has its Korean name but he replaced 칠지도 with "???", and to me, it is "intentional", so wrote that. Besides, I did not go shopping for blocking him because I followed a suggestion by the first admin who reviewed the 3RR report, so I put a review request. Can I ask you about your definition of these sentences? "I'm certain that you should be removed from Misplaced Pages community" Is it a good faith edit? He really did lie about my edit which does constitute harrasment on me.(AND YOU REVERT MY EDITS AGAIN AND LEAVE ONLY THE FUJIMURA'S CASE.) He said I removed his addition but that did never happen. You're aim to degrade Japanese articles are also a good faith and reasonable comment? Well, thank you for giving me an opportunity to take a break. However, I contest this block because I don't want to be blamed for unfair charges on harrassment. ps. I'm not interested in science, so very ignorant of the field, but Hwang Woo-seok has never been convicted or arrested for his fraud. So technically, his case is the same as Fujimura, that's why I didn't remove his addition. However, Amagase's reverts and threats are based on good faith? Well, I'm getting a new thing. Thanks. If Amagase gets the same sanction for his incivility, I would happily accept this block and have a time to re-read Misplaced Pages policies. Regards --Appletrees (talk) 07:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Future Perfect at Sunrise has summarized this exactly. Instead of putting in the additional evidence that I requested at AN3, you just retried to argue the same case, then kept on going despite the section called "What the three revert rule does not cover" at the top. When you're in a hole, stop digging. Stifle (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I'm not gonna seek for unblocking this false block further, but I totally disagree with the blame put by Fut.Perf. Stifle, you think I might have misunderstood your advice, but I sincerely thank you for visiting here regardless of the decline. However, when I hears those kind of uncivil mockeries, personal attacks and threats by such a 'nationalistic and biased Japanese editor who tend to exaggerate contents by anti-Korean sentiment (oh, Fut.Perf defines the vice versa of Amagase is from "good faith"), I have to bear it. What a good lesson. Thank you very much. I reaffirm my usual impression on Fut.Perf. I know many editors like Amagase have checked on my page, so I let you guys know that I'll go to Commons. You will see my contribution there, bye bye.--Appletrees (talk) 10:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Apology and proposal

I express an apology for my rather inaccurate accusation against you. In the Administrators' noticeboard/3RR, I said, In his edit records, you can see almost all of his activities in here Wikiepdia are aimed to degrade Japan-related articles and add Korea nationalistic descriptions in articles. I admit that this is an inappropriate statement, because your contributions in the Korean cuisines and other articles are good works. I should be so pleased if you would receive my cordial apology.

But I must point out that your recent edits in the Japan-related topics, such as Japanese language, Imperial House of Japan, and of course, Fraud are not based on the scientific conscience, but ill intentions. I think it is inevitable to conflict in the disputed articles, such as Liancourt Rocks or more scholarly Gwanggaeto Stele, but your recent edits are clearly diffrerent from these.

And you blamed me as a spy from 2ch, this is not the truth. I don't use the 2ch community, exept when I buy a new camera or mobile phone to check reviews of products. I know you are involved in the strife with 2ch users, because you post the proclamation of war against 2ch all around the articles. I can forgive your baseless accusation easily.

Well, at last, I have a proposal. I will retract my repeatedly-warned arbitration appeal against your editing attitude, if you can take a rest from Japan-related articles. As you may already know, I will be weary after the intricate procedures. I really don't want to have such a unfruitful works. I look forward to your reply, thanks. --Amagase (talk) 13:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The above statement is not clearly an apology and you have no right to "forgive me". I can't and won't forgive you as long as you keep this attitude and your visit at this time looks dubious.(you may know that the adimis might keep eye on my page) I saw your changing user page, and that is really contradictory to your seeming "apology". Your suggestion is based on ill-faith because you can't confine my freedom and free will of what I want to edit, of course, you don't have the right as well. Every articles I'm getting interested in are somewhat related to history and traditional cultures which link to neighboring countries. If you want to make the proposal, or to compromise with me, show some respect. You should first promise to me that you be away from editing Korean related articles and not to remove Korean mentions on Japanese related articles by your "own" standard. Your behaviors have firmly convinced me that you're one of typical Japanese editor whom I've encountered and editing articles far from neutral point of view. I notice your following my step such as Kofun and Azuka period. Well, your threat for submitting arbitration is still ill-faith, and that should be after I or others submit an arbitration on the bunch of Japanese editors from 2channel. You already lost my trust, so don't expect me to believe that your two step forward WP:DR is no relation with 2channel.

If you want to compromise with me, please try to be civil and stop unproductive blankings. Confucious said if you don't like doing something, don't demand others to do so. You know the systematic Japanese editors outnumber my side because I'm the only one not condoning their disruptions. Yet, you have never tried to resolve WP:DR with me. Endroit at least tries to make a compromise with me unlike you. You better concern about your attitude. You also conflict with several Korean editors. Thus, can you demand the 2channel people who have made disruptive edits here to stop editing Korean related articles? You also should be off from those articles. That is a deal and my proposal. Proposal should have equal condition to both party--Appletrees (talk) 14:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Korean wine

Hi, at this site I need to evaluate the following for inclusion in the Korean wine article (I haven't run into any of them before and don't know where to include them):

• 처음처럼
• 설화
• 수복골드
• 군주
• 국향

Badagnani (talk) 01:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea, I don't drink Korean wine at all. --Appletrees (talk) 01:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in here uninvited, and I'm currently under the influence of a strong dose of cheongha, but thought I'd put in my two-cents. I do drink Korean wine, often, and enthusiastically. The names you list are all brands of drink made by the Doosan company. 처음처럼 (Cheo-eum cheoreom) is soju. 설화 (Seolhwa) I'm not sure about, but looks like a version of Nigori sake or makkoli. 수복골드 = Soobok Gold. It's 14% alcohol and looks like Cheongha, which I see links to nigori, but should probably more properly link to Sake, served cold. 군주... (Goonju) not sure. Looks like something I had in Korea called okmiju-- booze made from corn. All I can say with certainty about it is that it's tasty, and I'd like some to follow my cheongha... 국향, again, looks like cheongha... This probably doesn't help much, but I hope it does.... Regards. 04:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You mean 국향 is like cheongha, but with added scent of chrysanthemum flowers? Or is that just the name? And why is the 군주 so orange in color? I think there must be some citrus in there. Badagnani (talk) 05:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

North Korean cinema

Hi again, Appletrees. I replied to the questions above at Badagnani's talk page. In working on the List of North Korean films and Cinema of Korea articles, I came across a good book on North Korean cinema. Unfortunately it's in Korean... (Sŏ Chŏng-nam ŭi Pukhan yŏnghwa t'amsa, 2002) The book concludes with a list of 87 North Korean film titles-- "87 North Korean films that should be known" (kkok alaya hal bukhan yeonghwa 87 p'yeong). I'd like to put all these titles on the North Korean film list, but my inability to type Korean prevents this, or would make it very, very difficult (I could search Google and use the translator until I come up with the right hangeul...) Do you have any suggestions how I could better accomplish this? Maybe I could just scan the titles and put them all into an image file and send them to you, and you could type out the hangeul? Or is there a better way? Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 20:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Scanning the book page and sending the image via email is good. "Research on North Korean cinema by So Cheong-anm" (hard to recognize the meaning in MR) I will type the list in Korean. --Appletrees (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Appletrees! I'll scan them and send them some time next week. This will be a big help on a very difficult to research subject. Dekkappai (talk) 20:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Joseon porcelain

Hi, Appletrees. It's not really a subject that interests me, but I'll be happy to re-write/paraphrase the copyright-vio article for you. I'll copy THIS version of the article, and re-write it tonight. I'm currently trying to get the Anna May Wong article up to good quality, and I'm collecting information and materials for work on U.S. and Japanese exploitation cinemas, as well as some (South) Korean film information... But I'll try to get that list of North Korean films scanned and sent to you sometime this week. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't able to do this last night, Appletrees-- I guess I have too many projects going at once right now! I'll try to get to it soon though. Dekkappai (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Blue and white (porcelain)

Hi, FayssaIF, I come to ask you to move this article to Blue and white porcelain. I don't think the parenthesis is necessary but I could not move it due to double direct. The move seems uncontroversial and I don't know RM procedure. You're the creator of the article and fortunately an admin, so can you move the title? Thanks.--Appletrees (talk) 12:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Done... including fixing the double redirects. Thanks Appletrees. -- FayssalF - 14:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Azulejo

Hi Appletrees,

That's perfect Castilian Spanish, but for the stress: . — kwami (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Korean Chinese dishes

How amazing. I got these dish names from what appears to be a Korean Chinese restaurant in the U.S., so it makes sense that some of these dishes would be hybrids. So they're definitely not "Korean dishes," and not even standardized "Korean Chinese dishes," in your opinion? If they don't exist in Chinese versions per se, then maybe they could be considered simply as less familiar Korean Chinese dishes, if they are on the menu of a Korean Chinese establishment. In any case, your research is great and perhaps something could be done with this data. Badagnani (talk) 22:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Our ongoing dispute

Appletrees, I don't think it's appropriate to continue our discussions at the talk pages of ume and Pyrus pyrifolia, so I'm posting my message here.

I don't think we are really on different sides of the fence. I understand your distress over sockpuppets from channel2. I've never encountered them and I don't particularly support that kind of thing. My own concern is the way in which East Asian national rivalries are making people irrational and distorting or disrupting articles. In the case of ume, the dispute is between an American (I think), Badagnani, and a Chinese-born Australian, Palaceguard. No Japanese involved. Badagnani is adamant that ume is standard in English; Palaceguard disagrees.

I don't mind this kind of disagreement. What I object to is that Palaceguard is taking his resistance into the article itself -- by deciding that ume may be the title of the article, but refusing to use ume at any place related to China. The current discussion about moving the article to Prunus mume is the right way to approach this. Insisting that the Chinese section has to use mei, not ume, is not.

Anyway, I've now made a proposal at sakura for moving it to cherry blossom. The resistance to this proposal is coming not from a Japanese, but from a Westerner. The arguments being made are confusing and quite focussed on Japan. I guess you are too angry with me to support this move, but if you are interested, please take a look at the Sakura talk page. Thanks~

Bathrobe (talk) 03:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I disagree that Badagnani is "very akin to Japanese culture". Of all the editors here, he is possibly the one who is most committed to taking a "pan-Asian" approach. I understand he is interested not only in Japan and China, but also Korea and Vietnam, which is very rare for any editor on Misplaced Pages.

“Besides, can you explain why this article is still at its binominal name? You're pushing your agenda. Palace is also living in the same country as you but disagree with your claim.“ Palaceguard hasn't disagreed with my claim. He hasn't said anything. In fact, I don't oppose the use of Pyrus pyrifolia for the article, but referring to the fruit by that name in the article is really very clumsy. But I'm certainly not advocating moving Pyrus pyrifolia back to "nashi pear".

Bathrobe (talk) 03:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You say: "I wondered as to why you replaced the plural Koreans with the singular form, which looks like you seems to directly point your finger at me, only Korean at those discussions." I couldn't find where I used "Korean" in the singular form. At any rate, I wasn't specifically pointing the finger at you. As for "my mention of Chinese ... aiming at Palace", well, in the end it was, because he is the one who made the reversions that I was criticising -- although I didn't know it at the time. My point was that the silent, unyielding struggle against Japanese terms like ume, and the insistence on using Chinese as a tit-for-tat, appears to me to be an obsession among East Asians, and I wish they would try not to do it. Anyway, this is a dead horse. I guess I've made the point at least 3-4 times already.

As for "nashi pear", I think I've provided an excellent source for the official use of the term, the website of the Australian growers association. However, given comments from Badagnani and others, it seems that there may be a North American / Australian-UK division in usage here, with "nashi pear" commonly used Australia and the UK (?), and "Asian pear" used in the US. This would not normally be a major problem -- the article would settle down at one or the other name (like aubergine and eggplant), taking note of the regional differences in usage -- but objections that "nashi pear" is "not neutral" forced a move to the binomial name. I find it sad that the actions of editors pushing names like "Korean pear" (a national ownership issue) caused a fairly straightforward naming issue (North American vs Australia) to be resolved by resorting to the scientific name. It shouldn't happen but it does.

The discussion at sakura has got awfully long (just me and Endroit), but I've finally figured out where he is coming from. I've also listed the move proposal as you suggested.

Bathrobe (talk) 09:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Kimchi bokkeumbap

I noticed the article lacks inline citation, so tagged. Unfortunately I am not interested in cuisine related articles. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 05:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I found the article while recent change patrolling. Cheers. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 05:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, good job on the expansion --- looks like it should meet the usual DYK standards (min 2000 characters of text, good sources, clear citation) just fine! It'll also be nice for DYK to have a picture of food, for some variety; usually we only get people's faces or pictures of buildings. Deadline to nominate it would be April 6th or 7th, I guess; I'll try to think of some good hooks by then. Cheers, cab (talk) 17:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Bajaur casket

Hi Appletrees. Per your request I uploaded the MET notice for the Bajaur casket. Hope you like it. Cheers. PHG (talk) 20:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I had a little doubt on the source (yes, I read the Arbitration on you), but you clear things up. I will add the picture as a reference after adding some contents from other resources. --Appletrees (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Christian Polak

Hi, will you please stike through your false asserting that this living person won France's highest honor. Subsequent discussions have show this to be false. Thank you. Jehochman 01:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Franco-Mongol alliance

Hi Appletrees! I am glad you would consider translating the Franco-Mongol alliance article (even though I was attacked quite a bit on this subject). The current article (80k) is a slight rewrite, but mostly a slimmed-down version (with much less sources and original quotes) from a 200k version I wrote sometime ago . You may wish to look at both, but the 200k version might be interesting if you wish to have some level of factual detail. Best regards. PHG (talk) 05:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm.. the trimmed version looks quite long and Korean Misplaced Pages (yes, I will translate it into Korean) has a lot of Christian editors, so I might face up with such editors. (you know the subject is very heated one). I will read the long one as a reference though.--Appletrees (talk) 13:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Since you talk about it, you may be right that Christians might resent material showing exchanges, agreements and goodwill between the Popes and the Mongols for example, although it is historical reality. The people whom I have encountered (and who attacked me relentlessly at Arbcom) and who have always tried to play down these relations, remove original letters etc... typically seem to be from "heartland America" (Christian Midwest). I do make a mistake or two from time to time (who doesn't), but my rule of conduct is that I never write untruths and all my information is always verifiable. I am always ready to send scans or photos for confirmation. Best regards PHG (talk) 06:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC) Striking statement per Jehochman's request PHG (talk) 15:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)