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| == Hi Duty2love... == | |||
| Thanks for your comments on my talk page...... | |||
| I could return your "loving and compassionate (sarcasm)" analysis of my words, that you perform without knowing me, but just by my words, which you probably know are the product of the MIND not the SPIRIT, but I won't be that "arrogant" as to return your "insults" under the guise of "brotherhood" or "spirituality"... | |||
| We are all ONE... but some of us are "greedy, arrogant, nationalist, self-serving, murderous, thieves, etc...Others are generous, and not as "egotistical" much more of the time than the SRCM gang...For me to spread my PRAYER (or my method) thinking egotistically that MY PRAYER (or my method) will save all of mankind is arrogant and egotistical...WE in the WEST, who are not "religious", also have SPIRITUALITY as we are SPIRIT, but it is not the RELIGIONS of the FATHERS with its "male" Warring God either.....IT IS more NATURAL (as in NATURE...including the COSMOS). It is also science and logic-based, and not "faith" based. The sun shines and the rain falls and the wind blow on all the BROTHERS, including US in the WEST. | |||
| * You say that: "I fail to see his LOVE for Babuji"? | |||
| Does Babuji's family agree with that statement. Can you love Babuji and attack his family as SRCM does? His sole purpose in LIFE is not to spread Babuji's TEACHINGS, which did not divide as Chari's teachings does, but to change it to a lowly version of SPIRITUALISM (messages from the dead), not spirituality... Chari is changing the MESSAGE to un-consciously GLORIFY Himself...He is like an addict...no matter how it leaves "anger and division" behind, he can't stop. But even in his "ego", I love him more than he loves me, my family and/or Babuji and his family. I LEAVE HIM ALONE in respect and do not go and STEAL or disrupt his material dreams and efforts as he does the other families in the world, including the dreams and goals of other religions, calling them and us, "CORRUPT" and "proponents of violence"...We can call his statements "hypocritical"...That is what SRCM is and does, since he took over from a GOOD GUY (Babuji)...(one who is "SPIRITUAL") | |||
| * WORDS ARE CHEAP...I see the FRUIT of his LABOUR and it is DIVISIVE and MATERIALIST...not SPIRITUAL...He grows MATTER as any CAPITALIST. And the PLANET? The Carbon FOOTPRINT? NOT on his radar...The families of the VICTIMS? He does not care...He is like all other CAPITALISTS...BUILD BUILD BUILD...a REAL ESTATE SCAM that is worthy of the VATICAN...GROWTH out of control is a CANCER!! | |||
| By the way...I can see the lack of LOVE, forgiveness and compassion that you talk about in the lives of the abhyasis in my area also...dead husbands, and/or divided families since SRCM...NOT a UNITING FORCE this SRCM... but as good foot-soldiers for CHARI as with any other corrupt "RELIGION", they assasinate (poison) the characters of their FAMILY MEMBERS and seek other families and victims to divide. I would not be surprised if they don't read the "obits" and target the widows. Where before there was LOVE and FOGIVENESS...NOW there is "UN-caring and no compassion". Is that what SRCM teaches the abhyasis to do? Is that the "destruction" of LOVE that the preceptors are actively "TRANSMITTING" to the women of Sahaj Marg? Chari brought that up at one of the preceptors Seminars. Are they a "5th column", sacrificing our families to the goals of SRCM's Invasion of the WEST? | |||
| * If you want UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD, help the POOR, not with PRIVATE schools and retreats for the wealthy...Bring some FOOD, HOSPITALS, MEDICINE, SHELTER, to AFRICA...Do something beside REAL ESTATE scams that will burden the future abhyasis (with the payment of the mortgage)... Do you know where ALL the CAPITALISTS of the WORLD unite...IN GREED!! They do not fix the problems of the world but just profiteer for their CLAN and their own "gang" of money and power hungry "brothers and sisters"... If you want to UNITE the WORLD in SPIRITUALITY, get away from the trappings of the corrupt religions with their focus on the grandeur of the MATERIAL... | |||
| You "religious nationalists" pretend to be a "BROTHER or a SISTER" but you are really wolves in sheep's clothing... If you want to be my BROTHER, go home and wait for me to invite you to my home...don't invade with your "serving the rich" charities as the POOR are dying in our streets. | |||
| Then when you come to my home...offer something, don't take something...do not divide one member of the family from the rest for your selfish goals, specially to favour the WEALTHY and ignore my poor BROTHERS. The money that would go to the poor will now go to build your Monuments to yourselves and for the BROTHERS AND SISTERS to gorge themselves on orgasms of food, egotism (navel gazing) and materialism as the POOR are ignored... I guess in INDIA...you are all BROTHERS and SISTERS and all LOVE one another so much that now you can teach us how to LIVE? NOT SO... You have to learn from US just as we can learn from you, We do not KILL one another for MATERIAL control of CHURCHES and ashrams... Stop teaching and start LEARNING... | |||
| * What we want for the FUTURE of the WORLD is that ALL such religions as SRCM be exposed as yet another example of "doing everything to keep from going HOME"...When someone does not love, he avoids the occasions to love and surround himself with a "entourage" so he can only claim to LOVE from a distance...LOVE MEANS to be close...not to divide... I am not opposed to SRCM and to CHARI but to RELIGION in general, and now to Religion that calls itself SPIRITUALITY...I see another gang of corrupt individuals who can't DO, but TEACH what they CAN'T DO... RELIGIONS BUILD CHURCHES...CHARITIES help the POOR AND THE NEEDY...SPIRITUALITY deals with SPIRIT...not MATERIAL... | |||
| India has so much to offer the world...So sad that it is this "ROT" and "corruption" that you export. Wallow in your self-righteousness and "indignation" and your feigned "persecution" while you persecute, victimize and manipulate the masses for the GLORY of YOUR PATH and hence "YOURSELF"... | |||
| I will keep a watch and will speak for those you hurt, victimize and divide, even to violence and then to war!! | |||
| Become the GOOD...Stop pretending that now, you are GOOD... LEARN...stop TEACHING!!LISTEN...Stop PREACHING!! | |||
| Read my OPEN letter to CHARI in my blog and give the letter to Chari and ask him to address the issues I bring forward... And of course...Pretend that it is not TRUE if you want to!! but it is true...That is what you support!! DIVISION! NOT UNITY AND ONE-ness!! | |||
| In catholicism, they confess the sins to the priest, and then PRAY, and that confirms that the Catholics are GOOD!! NOT TRUE!! The Path to HELL is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS...EVERYone wants a "DIFFERENT world" but no one wants to change...Everyone wants the others to change and become like them...SOUND FAMILIAR?? Arrogant? Everyone wants to go to the BRIGHTER WORLD (heaven) but no one wants to die. (become truly a Spirit) | |||
| http://4d-don.blogspot.com/2008/03/last-open-letter-to-chari-for-sake-of.html | |||
| Don--] (]) 17:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Hi Duty2love...
Thanks for your comments on my talk page......
I could return your "loving and compassionate (sarcasm)" analysis of my words, that you perform without knowing me, but just by my words, which you probably know are the product of the MIND not the SPIRIT, but I won't be that "arrogant" as to return your "insults" under the guise of "brotherhood" or "spirituality"...
We are all ONE... but some of us are "greedy, arrogant, nationalist, self-serving, murderous, thieves, etc...Others are generous, and not as "egotistical" much more of the time than the SRCM gang...For me to spread my PRAYER (or my method) thinking egotistically that MY PRAYER (or my method) will save all of mankind is arrogant and egotistical...WE in the WEST, who are not "religious", also have SPIRITUALITY as we are SPIRIT, but it is not the RELIGIONS of the FATHERS with its "male" Warring God either.....IT IS more NATURAL (as in NATURE...including the COSMOS). It is also science and logic-based, and not "faith" based. The sun shines and the rain falls and the wind blow on all the BROTHERS, including US in the WEST.
- You say that: "I fail to see his LOVE for Babuji"?
Does Babuji's family agree with that statement. Can you love Babuji and attack his family as SRCM does? His sole purpose in LIFE is not to spread Babuji's TEACHINGS, which did not divide as Chari's teachings does, but to change it to a lowly version of SPIRITUALISM (messages from the dead), not spirituality... Chari is changing the MESSAGE to un-consciously GLORIFY Himself...He is like an addict...no matter how it leaves "anger and division" behind, he can't stop. But even in his "ego", I love him more than he loves me, my family and/or Babuji and his family. I LEAVE HIM ALONE in respect and do not go and STEAL or disrupt his material dreams and efforts as he does the other families in the world, including the dreams and goals of other religions, calling them and us, "CORRUPT" and "proponents of violence"...We can call his statements "hypocritical"...That is what SRCM is and does, since he took over from a GOOD GUY (Babuji)...(one who is "SPIRITUAL")
- WORDS ARE CHEAP...I see the FRUIT of his LABOUR and it is DIVISIVE and MATERIALIST...not SPIRITUAL...He grows MATTER as any CAPITALIST. And the PLANET? The Carbon FOOTPRINT? NOT on his radar...The families of the VICTIMS? He does not care...He is like all other CAPITALISTS...BUILD BUILD BUILD...a REAL ESTATE SCAM that is worthy of the VATICAN...GROWTH out of control is a CANCER!!
By the way...I can see the lack of LOVE, forgiveness and compassion that you talk about in the lives of the abhyasis in my area also...dead husbands, and/or divided families since SRCM...NOT a UNITING FORCE this SRCM... but as good foot-soldiers for CHARI as with any other corrupt "RELIGION", they assasinate (poison) the characters of their FAMILY MEMBERS and seek other families and victims to divide. I would not be surprised if they don't read the "obits" and target the widows. Where before there was LOVE and FOGIVENESS...NOW there is "UN-caring and no compassion". Is that what SRCM teaches the abhyasis to do? Is that the "destruction" of LOVE that the preceptors are actively "TRANSMITTING" to the women of Sahaj Marg? Chari brought that up at one of the preceptors Seminars. Are they a "5th column", sacrificing our families to the goals of SRCM's Invasion of the WEST?
- If you want UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD, help the POOR, not with PRIVATE schools and retreats for the wealthy...Bring some FOOD, HOSPITALS, MEDICINE, SHELTER, to AFRICA...Do something beside REAL ESTATE scams that will burden the future abhyasis (with the payment of the mortgage)... Do you know where ALL the CAPITALISTS of the WORLD unite...IN GREED!! They do not fix the problems of the world but just profiteer for their CLAN and their own "gang" of money and power hungry "brothers and sisters"... If you want to UNITE the WORLD in SPIRITUALITY, get away from the trappings of the corrupt religions with their focus on the grandeur of the MATERIAL...
You "religious nationalists" pretend to be a "BROTHER or a SISTER" but you are really wolves in sheep's clothing... If you want to be my BROTHER, go home and wait for me to invite you to my home...don't invade with your "serving the rich" charities as the POOR are dying in our streets.
Then when you come to my home...offer something, don't take something...do not divide one member of the family from the rest for your selfish goals, specially to favour the WEALTHY and ignore my poor BROTHERS. The money that would go to the poor will now go to build your Monuments to yourselves and for the BROTHERS AND SISTERS to gorge themselves on orgasms of food, egotism (navel gazing) and materialism as the POOR are ignored... I guess in INDIA...you are all BROTHERS and SISTERS and all LOVE one another so much that now you can teach us how to LIVE? NOT SO... You have to learn from US just as we can learn from you, We do not KILL one another for MATERIAL control of CHURCHES and ashrams... Stop teaching and start LEARNING...
- What we want for the FUTURE of the WORLD is that ALL such religions as SRCM be exposed as yet another example of "doing everything to keep from going HOME"...When someone does not love, he avoids the occasions to love and surround himself with a "entourage" so he can only claim to LOVE from a distance...LOVE MEANS to be close...not to divide... I am not opposed to SRCM and to CHARI but to RELIGION in general, and now to Religion that calls itself SPIRITUALITY...I see another gang of corrupt individuals who can't DO, but TEACH what they CAN'T DO... RELIGIONS BUILD CHURCHES...CHARITIES help the POOR AND THE NEEDY...SPIRITUALITY deals with SPIRIT...not MATERIAL...
India has so much to offer the world...So sad that it is this "ROT" and "corruption" that you export. Wallow in your self-righteousness and "indignation" and your feigned "persecution" while you persecute, victimize and manipulate the masses for the GLORY of YOUR PATH and hence "YOURSELF"...
I will keep a watch and will speak for those you hurt, victimize and divide, even to violence and then to war!!
Become the GOOD...Stop pretending that now, you are GOOD... LEARN...stop TEACHING!!LISTEN...Stop PREACHING!!
Read my OPEN letter to CHARI in my blog and give the letter to Chari and ask him to address the issues I bring forward... And of course...Pretend that it is not TRUE if you want to!! but it is true...That is what you support!! DIVISION! NOT UNITY AND ONE-ness!!
In catholicism, they confess the sins to the priest, and then PRAY, and that confirms that the Catholics are GOOD!! NOT TRUE!! The Path to HELL is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS...EVERYone wants a "DIFFERENT world" but no one wants to change...Everyone wants the others to change and become like them...SOUND FAMILIAR?? Arrogant? Everyone wants to go to the BRIGHTER WORLD (heaven) but no one wants to die. (become truly a Spirit)
http://4d-don.blogspot.com/2008/03/last-open-letter-to-chari-for-sake-of.html
Don--don (talk) 17:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)