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sorry for the break in protocol, but i have to say this this wa, hows this, since i hate it when people tell me what to do ( in the authoritative sense) how about i do sometyhing of a punishment to myself? ill go away for like two weeks, and then well see how things go from there. btw, dont really expect me to reply, it starts immidaitly. Gabrielsimon 22:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC) addend8um... becasue id liketo maintain my talk page, and answer questions as they come, i bleieve i should not go entirely, but i should restrict my editing to editing only my and possibly this page, and any user who invites me to edit thier talk page ( my modificated version of a block) itll keep me out of your hair, for two weeks, and it i hope will show more growth of charctor then i was able to try to proobe recently. hows that sound? Gabrielsimon 23:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Not good, we want to enter into a dialogue about your editing. Fred Bauder 00:16, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

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Evidence presented by Android79

30 June

The following is a description of a revert war, 3RR violation, and blocking of Gabrielsimon that took place at George W. Bush. I believe it is a typical example of the kinds of behavior Gabrielsimon has engaged in during revert wars on political articles. Gabrielsimon ignores the advice and complaints of other editors, makes small changes to his continually reinserted edits in order to "get around" the 3RR, and presents an illogical and POV claim backed up with dubious sources (newspaper editorials, blog entries). In short, he attempts to present his POV as fact and ram it into the article.

All times are UTC-5. android79 04:09, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

• 21:28
  • Gabrielsimon adds a poorly-worded, illogical, and unsourced "War for Oil" claim into George W. Bush.
• 21:32
  • Gabrielsimon is reverted by Rhobite.
• 21:46
  • Gabrielsimon reinserts the paragraph, this time with five citations, three of dubious quality.
    • The sources:
• 21:51
  • I revert Gabrielsimon and indicate in my edit summary that this ought to be discussed on the talk page.
• 21:51
  • Rhobite explains why he thinks the paragraph is POV and unsuitable for the article.
• 21:54
  • Fuzheado adds a protection notice to the page, but due to a bug or some other oversight, the page is not truly protected.
• 21:55
  • I explain my problem with the paragraph: it is supported by highly biased sources. I include a link to Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources in the hopes that Gabrielsimon will take the time to read it and improve his citations.
• 21:57
  • Gabrielsimon reinserts the paragraph a second time, this time with four more dubious sources.
    • The sources: (no longer online)
• 21:58
  • Fuzheado reverts Gabrielsimon.
• 21:59
  • Gabrielsimon says that he has added more citations to the paragraph.
• 22:00
  • Fuzheado announces on the talk page that the article is now protected. The protection has actually failed to occur.
• 22:01
  • Gabrielsimon reinserts the paragraph a third time. He has now violated the 3RR.
• 22:06
  • Fuzheado laments his inability to properly protect the page, and mulls blocking Gabrielsimon for 3RR.
• 22:08
  • Gabrielsimon demands that his edits remain in the article while a discussion as to their suitability is ongoing. He implies that those of us that are reverting his edits are not following proper procedure and calls us "jerks."
• 22:09
  • Gabrielsimon states that he has reverted three separate sections of text, and that he has not broken the 3RR. This goes against the spirit of the 3RR, as Gabrielsimon has only made minor changes to the paragraph he wishes to insert into the article.
• 22:12
  • I explain why I'd like to discuss the edits on the talk page before they go into the article.
• 22:26
  • I tell Gabrielsimon that the new citations he has added all come from biased editorials, a fact he has either chosen to ignore or does not believe affects the suitability of the paragraph for the article.
• 22:31
  • Cyrius blocks Gabrielsimon for 3RR.

Evidence presented by Solipsist

I suspect the issues here may be much wider than are currently being discussed. What concerns me about Gabrielsimon, is that he has been editing for over five months and there has been a continuous trail of disruption following him for most of that time.

I had thought that Gabrielsimon was simply a rather enthusiasic editor who got in to trouble as a result of his somewhat eccentric views on fantasy and mythology related subjects. This would tend to lead to revert wars, and acqusations of mistreatment to anyone who would listen. However, from this RfAr, I can see the same issues extend to other articles.

9 July 2005

Gabrielsimon has had a long running dispute with User:DreamGuy, which lead to an RFC against DreamGuy in July. Initially the RfC was quite chaotic, but once evidence was presented it became clear that DreamGuy had indeed engaged in personal attacks. However it also became clear that Gabrielsimon, User:Dbraceyrules and others had been organising a campaign against DreamGuy since at least April.

• 13:08, 21 April 2005
  • Gabrielsimon is discussing with User:24.164.211.25 (later confirmed to be User:Dbraceyrules/Horatii) how to orchestrate revenge against User:DreamGuy.

29 July 2005

Shortly after this the RfC became moot and Gabrielsimon and Dbraceyrules make consiliatory gestures

• 01:25, 29 July 2005
  • Gabrielsimon apologises to DreamGuy on his talk page

• 01:37, 29 July 2005
  • Dbraceyrules suggests deleting the RfC

30 July 2005

However almost immediately a further dispute breaks out at Talk:Otherkin

• 22:29, 30 July 2005
  • Gabrielsimon had already been in discussion with User:Vashti on the Otherkin page, but this diff marks Gabrielsimon's responce to DreamGuy becoming involved.

30 July 2005

and a worse disupte and revert war escalates on Vampire

• 29 July 2005
  • DreamGuy reverts a large passage added earlier by User:Existentializer at 19:04, 29 July 2005
• 23:57, 29 July 2005
  • Gabrielsimon reverts back with the edit summary of 'there is no spoon'
• an edit war ensues - History of Vampire
• leading User:SlimVirgin to protect the page on the the 4th August (?)
• 02:49, 4 August 2005
  • Gabrielsimon delivers a personal attack against DreamGuy in response to SlimVirgin's enquiry as to what is going on.
• 03:20, 4 August 2005
  • Gabrielsimon adds a {protected} tag to the Vampire page with the comment 'if we are to aboid a DreamGuy's ego based edit war, this seems nessessary'.

There were also various calls for blocking based on the 3RR rule, such as WP:AN/3RR#User:DreamGuy. In fact SlimVirgin did briefly block DreamGuy on this issue, but removed the block shortly after.

What is most troubling about the spat on Vampire, is that it turns out that User:Existentializer who appears to have initiated the dispute was actually a sockpuppet. As were the edits by User:Ni-ju-Ichi and various anons. I wouldn't like to disentangle who's sockpuppets these were (perhaps someone can figure it out). However, the general pattern is DreamGuy reverting against a group of sockpuppets and Gabrielsimon.

I can interpret the events in one of two ways;

• 1) Gabrielsimon sees another dispute starting with DreamGuy and given their past history decides to join in, escalating the problem instead of diffusing it
• 2) it could be interpreted as an orchestrated attack against DreamGuy, with Gabrielsimon as one of the protagonists.

Either way, Gabrielsimon's involvement is far from constructive. I expect there is an awful lot more pro and counter evidence going on on various talk pages. -- Solipsist 14:04, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Nickptar

Some actions taken by Gabrielsimon on other users' comments and on his RfC:

27 July

• Deleting DreamGuy's and his own comments:
• Removing the note of above from his RfC:

31 July

• More deletion of DreamGuy's comments:

1 Aug

• Deleting his own, Friday's, and DreamGuy's comments:
• Removing his 3RR violation from the RfC:
• Attempting to have his RfC speedy deleted:
• Deleting his 3RR violation report:
• At this point he is firmly convicted that the arguments against him are lies and must be suppressed. His justification for the 3RR violation is that DreamGuy was making bad faith edits. GS has claimed in past edit wars (on United States, for example) that his 3RR violations are excused because the edits he doesn't like are vandalism, when in point of fact, this is not true.

4 Aug

• Deleting DreamGuy's comments again:
• More RfC tampering:
• Putting the "protect" template on the RfC:
• More RfC tampering: (I really don't understand that last one)

Evidence presented by Wikibofh

Gabrielsimon has consistently violated WP:3RR. Doing so once could be understood, even a second time by accident, but he does not seem to have learned, and the electric fence doesn't seem to matter.

• Block log
• Blocked and acknowledged in his talk

23 April

• 3RR report for Vampire lifestyle

30 June

• Blocked for 3RR on George W. Bush

7 July

• 3RR report for Wolf.

12 July

• 3RR report for Mythology. (In the interest of full disclosure, I made this report.)

20 July

• Blocked for 3RR on September 11, 2001 attacks

1 Aug

• 3RR report for Otherkin.