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• s:el:Ο Πλούτος μας
• s:el:Ευημερία Βραχόκηπος
• s:el:Αναρχοκομουνισμός
• s:el:Απαλλοτρίωση
• s:el:Διατροφή
• s:el:Κατοικία
• s:el:Ρουχισμός
• s:el:Τρόποι και μέσα
• s:el:Η ανάγκη της πολυτέλειας
• s:el:Ευχάριστη εργασία
• s:el:Ελεύθερη συμφωνία
• s:el:Αντιρρήσεις
• s:el:Το μισθολογικό σύστημα του Κολλεκτιβισμού
• s:el:Κατανάλωση και παραγωγή
• s:el:Ο καταμερισμός της εργασίας
• s:el:Η αποκέντρωση της Βιομηχανίας
• s:el:Αγροκαλιέργεια
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη/Α'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη Β'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη Γ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη Δ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη Ε'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη ΙΑ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη ΙΒ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη/ΙΓ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη ΙΔ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη ΙΕ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη ΙΣΤ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη ΙΖ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη ΙΗ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη ΙΘ'
• s:el:Ιστορική Βιβλιοθήκη Κ'
• s:el:Κλειώ
• s:el:Ευτέρπη
• s:el:Θάλεια
• s:el:Μελπομένη
• s:el:Τερψιχόρη
• s:el:Ερατώ
• s:el:Πολύμνια
• s:el:Ουρανία
• s:el:Καλλιόπη
• s:el:Νεκρικοὶ Διάλογοι
• s:el:Χούγκο Μπαλ
• s:el:Ολυμπιόνικοι
• s:el:Απολογία Σωκράτους
• s:el:Ευθύφρων
• s:el:Θεαίτητος
• s:el:Κρίτων
• s:el:Λάχης
• s:el:Σοφιστής
• s:el:Συμπόσιον
• s:el:Φαίδων
• s:el:Χαρμίδης
• s:el:Αγησίλαος
• s:el:Αλέξανδρος
• s:el:Αλκιβιάδης
• s:el:Άρατος
• s:el:Αριστείδης
• s:el:Γάλβας
• s:el:Θεμιστοκλής
• s:el:Θησεύς
• s:el:Καίσαρ
• s:el:Κικέρων (Πλούταρχος)
• s:el:Κράσσος
• s:el:Λύσανδρος
• s:el:Κίμων
• s:el:Νικίας
• s:el:Πελοπίδας
• s:el:Περικλής
• s:el:Σόλων
• s:el:Σύλλας
• s:el:Γεωγραφία

Discussion

I created more interwiki links on Greek wikisource, so if you have a chance, could you run interwiki again? thanks.  Andreas  14:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I am holding back on interwiki linking on wikisource until all my bot flag requests on all my accounts on wikisource concludes. Also scanning an entire wiki is costly. If you could list the spesific articles I can deal with them individually. It would be more efficient. :) -- Cat 10:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay so these are all translations from English right? What are each of these items? -- Cat 19:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

These are mostly original texts in Ancient Greek that have been translated into other languages. The translations are in other Wikisources. For example, s:el:Κλειώ is the first part of the Histories (Herodotus) written by Herodotus and translated into English by George Rawlinson and into French by Pierre Henri Larcher. The transwikis point to these tranlations. A reader who has opened the English translation at s:History of Herodotus/Book 1 would find it convenient to find a transwiki link to the original Greek text.

Others are translations. For example, s:el:Ο Πλούτος μας is a translation of an original Russian text by Peter Kropotkin. Its English translation is s:The Conquest of Bread/Chapter I (the Russian original is not on WIkisource). You can easily find out what each of these items is by clicking on the English transwiki link.  Andreas  21:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

In the meantime I added interwiki links to the Greek texts of the Old Testament that point to the corresponding Hebrew texts. For example, s:el:Γένεσις now has a transwiki link pointing to s:he:בראשית ניקוד. Running interwiki.py on these pages will add interwiki links to Old Testament texts in many other languages. All the Greek old testament texts can be found in the category s:el:Category:Παλαιά Διαθήκη.  Andreas  21:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I ran the code. Please review wikisource:el:Special:Contributions/Ηλεκτρονικός υπολογιστής. Bot removed a few bad links. -- Cat 19:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Could you also run python interwiki.py -cat:Παλαιά Διαθήκη? this would add interwiki to Hebrew Tanakh pages and Hebrew interwikis to Old Testament pages.  Andreas  22:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Bible translations are a mess. I was explicitly instructed not to run an interwiki code for that. -- Cat 19:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough.  Andreas  20:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Tuna

Is fishing an art form?Thriley (talk) 02:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry? -- Cat 15:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh My Goddess! related character articles

Hi, I was the author of most of these articles. I was wondering what is going on... :/ -- Cat 15:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, Jack M decided that my correction of TTN's mistaken redirection of the major characters of AMG into the list article was disruptive and against some mythical consensus. I'm asleep so I'm giving others some time to respond. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I see. Since I have a COI I will wait for a while before getting involved. Good night and good luck. -- Cat 22:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Question

So, White Cat... I have a Shadow Gelert character available. Want him? - Ékséj 06:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, I do not quite understand. What is this about? -- Cat 20:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

My apologies, it was an All Fools' Day joke (). In truth, I had no idea you wouldn't respond until now. -Jéské 20:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry I was offline for the most part of the past 48 hours. Could you explain what is this about? Granted the spirit of April 1 is gone but I would like to know. -- Cat 21:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFA statement

Hello.

Could you please trim down/refactor your statement on WP:RFA? It currently stands much over the 500 word limit. — Coren  for the Arbitration Committee 22:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure? It looks to be about 50 to me.... Ryan Postlethwaite 22:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I beg your pardon? -- Cat 22:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he's talking about Misplaced Pages:RFArb#Request for appeal: /Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek and he's right. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Err, yes. Sorry about that, I hadn't noticed you had two statements in different sections. I was, of course, referring the the long one.  :-) — Coren  22:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I cannot reduce it any more. It is mostly responses which wont be read if placed to the talk page. And I believe this is about WP:RFAR and not WP:RFA. -- Cat 23:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

You may refer to them in the main text, but unless you manage to trim it down to below (or at least near to) 500 words, I'll have no choice but to move things around myself. I'm sure you'd rather make that selection yourself. — Coren  23:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have been very patient with arbcom and every wikipedia process. Agonizing me further on this issue concerning Davenbelle will only serve to upset me. Arbcom is mostly ignoring what I tell them on their own talk page. This is the only place I hope they'll pay attention to me. So please leave me some slack here. -- Cat 23:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That was... throughly edited. You may want to maintain a summary of your position in addition to the link, however. The point of keeping the statement short is to avoid "tl;dr", which is not good for anyone. — Coren  00:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

If only people made me not feel ignored things would be simpler. This comment/rant isn't aimed at you as clearly you are paying attention to my comments (at a minimum you are counting the number of words). :) -- Cat 00:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the problem, right now, is that you're taking things way to personal. I would suggest you let sleeping dogs lie; you've been vindicated in your suspicions of JM, and there is little more that can be done, Arbs or otherwise. — Coren  00:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

When people start not responding to you at all for months while talking to other people things get personal. When arbitrators act this way it is particularly unpleasant. This contributed more to my frustration than every other factor combined. If people (arbitrators or not) wish to ignore me they should show the courtesy of informing me of such an action. It is Davenbelles 6th account so... -- Cat 00:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Looking for Wikipedians for a User Study

Hello. I am a graduate student in the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the University of Minnesota. We are conducting research on ways to engage content experts on Misplaced Pages. Previously, Misplaced Pages started the Adopt-a-User program to allow new users to get to know seasoned Misplaced Pages editors. We are interested in learning more about how this type of relationship works. Based on your editing record on Misplaced Pages, we thought you might be interested in participating. If chosen to participate, you will be compensated for your time. We estimate that most participants will spend an hour (over two weeks on your own time and from your own computer) on the study. To learn more or to sign up contact KATPA at CS dot UMN dot EDU or User:KatherinePanciera/WPMentoring. Thanks. KatherinePanciera (talk) 02:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Resurrected discussion from February

• User talk:White Cat/Archive/2008/02#Typical behaviour
• Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Community sanction or ban for Jack Merridew

Hi, I just wanted to point out a follow up. :) -- Cat 10:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Look at that. Seems I was partly wrong, so apologies as far as Merridew is concerned. Doesn't however change my attitude towards no-holds-barred fiction inclusionists. Dorftrottel (troll) 11:00, April 2, 2008

I beg your pardon? -- Cat 11:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

? What do you mean? Dorftrottel (complain) 12:06, April 2, 2008

What does "Doesn't however change my attitude towards no-holds-barred fiction inclusionists" intended to mean? -- Cat 13:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

It means that I think e.g. that by far most episode articles are not articles in any encyclopedic way and for a complete and utter lack of available acceptable sources never can be and should therefore be wiped from mainspace. In other words, that content-wise I still agree with Merridew and believe that he did less harm to Misplaced Pages than the ridiculous clowns and trolls who advocate shit like allowing "articles" e.g. on fictional characters based solely on primary sources. But the sockpuppeting was clearly bad. Dorftrottel (complain) 14:00, April 2, 2008

I guess you are considering me a clown and a troll then. -- Cat 14:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

That would be original research I guess. Dorftrottel (canvass) 16:50, April 2, 2008

Excuse me? What original research? You stated "ridiculous clowns and trolls who advocate shit like allowing "articles" e.g. on fictional characters based solely on primary sources" that scope includes me. Why are you so hostile? -- Cat 17:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Hostile? I simply have strong opinions on certain content-related issues. This is caused mainly by two things: 1. The people who are against any encyclopedic standards are in the majority, and 2. those people are gaming the system like crazy. Like you and others do when you talk weird about some deletionist conspiracy when it's in fact the inclusionists who managed to adjust policies and guidelines and information channels to suit their ends. Now, you revived our conversation, could we now end it again? I see practically no common ground, except we both believe what we are doing is in the project's best interest. But that may not be enough. Dorftrottel (vandalise) 17:14, April 2, 2008

• Hello White Cat. So I learn that Jack Merridew really was the sockpuppet you suspected him of being. Please accept my apologies for for my now unwarranted comments that mischaracterised your accusation. I wholeheartedly endorse Dorftrottel's comments above, however, concerning fiction articles and the value of Jack's contributions. Getting rid of this fancrufty rubbish was good work and I am sorry that he has behaved in a way that prevents him from making further useful contributions. Eusebeus (talk) 11:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser request

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Davenbelle

All 6 accounts of Davenbelle had been blocked indefinitely here on en.wikipedia. Per the commons discussion on Jack Merridew you have commented on, do you think you can run checks to verify? Mind you that commons:User:Moby Dick's entire contribution on commons was wasting community time. There also seems to be activity in meta... You have checkuser access on all 3 wikis (I think) so you are the best candidate dealing with this issue. -- Cat 12:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I will try to make some time to evaluate this as soon as practical. However I note that the case is closed already. What, specifically, are you asking me to do? What is it you want verified, and why? (what justification is there for each specific check you ask for, that is) Please also keep in mind what you were told by multiple people on IRC regarding this. ++Lar: t/c 12:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Recently Jack Merridew has acknowledged being Davenbelle. Due to the complexities of this case, I want to verify (although it is 99.99% obvious) that commons:User:Moby Dick, commons:User:Jack Merridew, meta:User:Jack Merridew and en:User:Jack Merridew are the same person and not impostors or etc. In addition I'd like the identities of commons:User:Davenbelle aka Jack Merridew and commons:User:Jack Merridew returns clarified. It may be necesary to check if those edits are coming from an open proxy.

Per past contribution of commons:User:Moby Dick to commons I am not really comfortable at what is going on. For instance he made a big fuss about being called Davenbelle. That was pretty much all his past contribution. About 1 year ago this was is response to an administrative warning.

-- Cat 16:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll take it under advisement. The user is now saying they are going to try to turn over a new leaf. That's a good thing. Some advice to you, I'd stay away from anything to do with them. Let others handle it, avoid any direct communication, please. ++Lar: t/c 16:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

If you do not preform this check now you will not be able to do it later as checkuser logs will expire. I am very tired of that happening. I want a verification on who I am dealing with. Is it Jack Merridew? Or an Impostor of Jack Merridew. If it is the latter (impostor) urgent action may be necesary. In this complex case we have Jack Merridew and someone stalking Jack Merridew. I'd prefer to avoid bureaucracy through an out-of-the book check rather than an overly complicated formal one. Such a formal request would stress out all parties and I would really want to avoid dealing with it.

I am very involved in commons and I will not start a hide and seek game there. I also will make no effort in any way to make Jack Merridew's life miserable there. That is not my style. The lack of confidence I get from you is rather disappointing. Have more faith in me.

-- Cat 19:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I said I would look into the matter and decide if a check is warranted. Please do not try to chivvy me, that won't work. Again, I point out that the en:wp RFCU has been closed as completed. Perhaps you might place the supporting material you have presented at the Meta crosswiki request page for wider notice, if you feel you're not getting satisfaction. ++Lar: t/c 19:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

This request is an interwiki one. en:wp RFCU has little to do with it process-wise. I am not asking for satisfaction, just verification. :P Please notify me with what you come up with even if you decline my request. Basically just post something on my talk page. -- Cat 19:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll post something here (see User:Lar/Pooh policy ...) ++Lar: t/c 19:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Just prod me so I know its ready. I have a very very busy week ahead of me so please leave me some slack just this once. :) -- Cat 19:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Results

• User Jack Meridew has stated this equivalence:
  • commons:User:Moby Dick == commons:User:Jack Merridew == meta:User:Jack Merridew == en:User:Jack Merridew
  • I adjudge it very  Likely this is true.
• User Jack Meridew has denied being either commons:User:Davenbelle aka Jack Merridew or commons:User:Jack Merridew returns.
  • I adjudge it very  Likely that commons:User:Davenbelle aka Jack Merridew == commons:User:Jack Merridew returns
  • technically inconclusive that Jack Meridew is either of these (CU cannot prove innocence). However based on findings, and other factors, I adjudge it quite  Unlikely

Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 02:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :) -- Cat 10:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Nijongo do deska?

Umaku narimashta? Moshi shitsuya areba, boku ni kite kudasai. Oshiyete ageru. Mata Ne! Igor Berger (talk) 01:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Konninchi wa. Watashi ni ha wakarimasen. -- Cat 15:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Watashi wa, Nijongo ga wakarimasen. I am Japanese still do not understand! Crazy language..:) I do not understand Japanese! Igor Berger (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Bad bot

Hi. Are you connected with the bot that is leaving red links on user spaces? - House of Scandal (talk) 16:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you give a diff? The only bot I operate is User:Computer and the only task it is processing (currently) is fixing double redirects. -- Cat 19:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Barnstars and ClickA

Hi, I was the person requesting the rename of various barnstar images. Seems like the rename caused you a few problems. Sorry about that. It seems like template use was causing the issue. I have manually fixed it for you. -- Cat 21:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't understand what went wrong but thanks for fixing. Hope others weren't affected too! --Dweller (talk) 22:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

If my software engineering instincts are right, bot tried a find and replace and ended up replacing every instance of "Barnstar.png" with "Original Barnstar.png". Avoiding things like this is exactly why I requested the rename. Poorly named images will be problematic in many ways. -- Cat 22:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the barnstar. Nice to see I'm appreciated! ;) Netkinetic 00:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)