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Hello

I am not an administrator, but I have no objection for it to be taken to DRV. Thanks. Cheers. Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 18:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Jagdschloss Glienicke

Hi. I see you sometimes translate stuff from German for the English wikipedia. Well, I didn't, until yesterday when I found the one-sentence Jagdschloss Glienicke at AfD (it is a sure keepie now) and I also wanted to attempt translation once from the German wikipedia. I know now that my online dictionary sucks and that my 1:1 translation skills are also not as good as I thought they were. If you are bored sometime in the near future, would you compare Jagdschloss Glienicke and de:Jagdschloss Glienicke and fix what I skrewed up? I know what the following German terms/phrases from the German article mean, but I don't know how to properly and concisely translate them into English, so I left them out sometimes in my translation.

• Tapetenfabrikanten - a producer of wallpaper/paperhangings
• Wachstuchtapeten - wallpaper made out of oilcloth
• Hofarchitekt - architect who works for the king/duke/whatever "the court"
• Mittelbau - middle part of a building
• in den Besitz gelangen - something like "annex", but not necessarily in the military sense, also "change the owner"
• Kadettenanstalt - a facility/building where cadets live and get trained
• Auslagerungsort eines Teils des Fundus - place where parts of the property are stored, not part of the main storage place
• geräumt - in a military sense, force the people out of a certain area
• Südflügel - southern wing of a large building
• Wasseransaugstelle war versandet - the place where they get water from (something like a firehydrant, but probably more archaic) was "petered out"/"silted up" (according to the dictionary; I have never heard these English verbs, but "versandet" literally means that sand and soil and stuff made technology work no longer)
• Holzkassettendecken und Sandsteinelemente sind eingelagert. - Ceiling made out of special wood (I guess) and elements of freestone/sandstone are stored. (I can't even make sense of the German sentence, so I skipped it)

I know that my translated version would still need a good copyedit afterwards, and I plan to do that later. – sgeureka 18:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey man, looks pretty good! I did a quick copy edit of the first paragraph. Here are a few thoughts off the top of my head re the above:

• Wachstuch is oil cloth, but I wonder here if this refers here to fabric wall covering. Anyway, let's try wallpaper for the moment.
• Hofarchitekt - architect who works for the king/duke/whatever "the court". Yes, "Court Architect" (like Hofkomponist)
• Mittelbau is the central stock or part of a building (i.e. and not the wings).
• in den Besitz gelangen - I would say simply came/fell into the hands (or possession) of the city of Berlin.
• geräumt - I would use clear out (as in abräumen)
• Wasseransaugstelle war versandet - the place where they get water from (something like a firehydrant, but probably more archaic) was "petered out"/"silted up" (according to the dictionary; I have never heard these English verbs, but "versandet" literally means that sand and soil and stuff made technology work no longer).

What a horrible sentence.

Am 31. März 2003 brannte der Südflügel des Schlosses. Auslöser des Feuers war ein Kabelbrand. Da das Schloss keine Brandmelder besaß und überdies die Wasseransaugstelle versandet war, entstand ein hoher Schaden, welcher bis heute nicht beseitigt ist. Holzkassettendecken und Sandsteinelemente sind eingelagert.

I would translate this as: On March 31, 2003, the south wing of the castle caught fire caused by faulty wiring. Because the Castle had no fire alarm and its water intakes had become clogged with silt (versandet), the resulting damage was particularly severe (entstand ein hoher Schaden) and has yet to be fully repaired.

• Holzkassettendecken und Sandsteinelemente sind eingelagert. I think this is that the ceiling and sandstone have been deposited or put in (for reconstruction presumably), but it is not very germane, so I would suggest skipping it. Eusebeus (talk) 19:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Reading your English translation makes so much sense, but I couldn't have come up with it myself. As a mit-Händen-und-Füßen translater, I still always got my point across. Anyway, thank you for your time, I'll work your suggestions into the text. I'll see you around. :-) – sgeureka 19:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I find that it's easier to improve the flow after someone has done the heavy lifting! I was slogging through the translation of Gottfried Semper and got bogged down. Actually, come to think of it ... hint hint. Anyway let me know if I can ever be of help. Eusebeus (talk) 20:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I incorporated your suggestions into the text, thanks. I promise to pay good old Gottfried (and here I thought the opera house was named for the Latin word *tsk*) a visit later, but be aware that I am pretty good with putting off my "duties". But I am also good with keeping them in the end. :-) – sgeureka 21:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Vicki Iseman

Yes, some people might have thought that my comment was rude. But, if someone wants to accuse someone of being a sockpuppet, then they should make that accusation. If someone is a good-faith newcomer, then so what?

Also, AfDs are not based on a straight-up vote. They are based on consensus and reasoning. So, a hundred sockpuppets making a bad argument for notability shouldn't matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hepcat748 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

• That is all true, but it is usually not necessary to provide such commentary to an editor who provides what is a standard flag at such AfDs. Eusebeus (talk) 00:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:AE

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#Television_season_pages. Care to explain why you did this and why you shouldn't be blocked for violating the injunction? — Rlevse • Talk • 00:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• did you check this? Eusebeus (talk) 00:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

You might want to take the comment you made at Talk:John McCain lobbyist controversy and add it to Talk:John McCain presidential campaign, 2008 where the larger discussion is taking place. Otherwise your support might be wasted, and it looks like every comment will count, even if this is decided by admins later. Noroton (talk) 21:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Meetup/Montreal

I see you are a user located in Montréal, you may be interested in: Misplaced Pages:Meetup/Montreal. Please add your name to the "Interested" or to the "Not interested" list. Time and place haven't been decided yet. Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 17:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Makeoutclub Wiki Entry

Could you please explain the 'unnotable' comment on the makeoutclub.com wikipedia page?

Thank you

Re: Revert

I just don't see how "this article should never have gotten to the main page" is constructive to the article. Those complaints about an article aren't going to help improve it; especially since that's leading to equally pointless "this article is great and should be on the main page." Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 23:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Symbols

Please dont be one of the people joining the unfortunate trend to use symbol in Afd debates. What does it add?DGG (talk) 03:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Symphony No. 26 (Haydn)

An article that you have been involved in editing, Symphony No. 26 (Haydn) , has been proposed to be merged into another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. --Pixelface (talk) 05:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Note regarding the Haydn situation

Eusebeus, something to consider... whether or not Pixelface's initial intention was "pointy" (and I'm definitely not addressing that here), the fact is that a discussion about merging did actually start, and is still under way. Repeatedly removing the template before that debate is concluded could in fact be considered disruptive in its own right. (Removing it would be more appropriate if there had been no discussion; given that there is, it makes more sense to allow it to conclude and then remove the template.) --Ckatz_spy 06:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• You are an admin now CKatz so you will recognise that POINTy and disruptive editing is never excusable. This kind of tagging does not usu. produce genuine debate, since it is not undertaken in good faith (and indeed, no real debate has taken place). I am sure you will recognise this is the case, whatever your individual POV. If you wish to start up a debate on this topic (and why not), do so again from scratch so it is not infected by such pointy (& in my view block-worthy)actions. Then I would be happy to leave the template on as long as any genuine discussion is ongoing. But it is unacceptable - and you are acutely aware of this I know - to allow disputatious and adolescent editors to game the system. Eusebeus (talk) 02:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

You're missing the point - in this case, despite the way it began the end result was a good-faith debate that has led to some improvements to the articles. As I said, I wasn't commenting on Pixelface's actions, and I will leave that for others to decide on. I was speaking directly to the fact that we shouldn't prematurely close off a worthwhile discussion. --Ckatz_spy 03:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

No it wasn't. There was never any serious consideration made for a merge in this case; improvements were incidental and certainly do not excuse pointy and disruptive edits. Pixelface should be blocked and editors should reject in toto such picayune tactics. Eusebeus (talk) 04:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Pixelface does not care one bit about Haydn or his symphonies. He's just picking a fight to gain leverage for arguments in whatever areas he actually is interested in. I'm not sure how "politically correct" it is to "say that out loud" but its true and I'm rather sick of all the wiki-politics. That said, the existing symphony articles had been left in a stub-like state for a long time. That doesn't have to be the case. Robbins Landon alone wrote *thousands* of pages on these works. I went to the library and checked out one of Robbins Landon's smaller "summary volumes" and have added some applicable notes over the weekend.

I could add much more, but I've noticed that "blow-by-blow" accounts of movements tend to be deleted as OR. Can we add these types of statements if we find citations for them? DavidRF (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

David, ignore the petty bullshit and accept my apologies for inadvertently having induced this juvenile rubbish through my participation in other areas. Hopefully Pixie will be blocked, since he is a chronic repeat offender. Anyway, enough of that.
Listen, as I think I have noted before, I own both the HCRL Universal Ed. of the Symphonies + the 5 volume Chronicles so digging up material on individual works is not a problem. I can also access (via GScholar) JSTOR so we can dig up refs there as needed as well. I just need to get around to it. CKatz picked randomly the Loudon (or Laudon) above, and out of interest I checked The Symphonies: HCRL devotes about 3 pages to it, (only symphony where the nickname came from Haydn directly, as a suggestion to Artaria to boost publication. These details should be added in.

One thought: there is little need for individual articles on all the early symphonies. Much of nos. 1-34 (and A & B) can probably be discussed in a single article or set of articles, with a few individual symphonies (e.g. 6-8, 22, 26) standing on their own. As for movements, as you know HCRL offers plenty of commentary (cf his nasty remarks on #69 above), but they are of a highly individual sort and I personally would be rather loathe to include such material. In certain cases there are obvious points that can be made and, as necessary, substantiated via HCRL or others (e.g. Rosen). One thing we should make more of an effort to include is the original Orchestra size - possibly as a standalone article to which we can refer from the Symphony subpages. HCRL did some work on this, but subsequent scholarship has investigated this further and I think it would be a salutary detail to include. Saw the stuff you added in - looks good. We need a mini-Haydn project, what with the vast quantity of material to cover - I see only half the Masses yet have articles. Eusebeus (talk) 17:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Francophone skills (or turning over a new leaf)

Usually being an obligate anglophone sits comfortably with me but alas I am all at sea often in the world of mycology as many English speakers are mycophobes, hence much stuff gets untranslated. I am a bit sick of trench warfare so figured some collaborative editing may be in order. I have made a couple of stubs for Jack Merridew but need to sleep now. I would much appreciate some translation of mateiral from this to here, René_Maire, if you have a few minutes. cheers, ] (] · ]) 13:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• Done. Glad to help. Eusebeus (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• Much appreciated. ] (] · ]) 19:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

ESRB re-rating of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

You recently made comments about this article on its talk page. ESRB re-rating of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. JMcC (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

FAC

You wrote at the FAC for The Last Temptation of Krust: This is looking much better - it will probably need a final copy-edit when the last references are added in and the flow has been tightened up, but the article is much stronger. I am glad that you have noted that I have put a lot of work into this article in direct response to critical comments from yourself and from others. Other editors that had previously voiced critical comments have since changed their sentiment recently to "Support", after they noticed that I have worked hard on the article to address their concerns. Perhaps at this point in time you could reevaluate your initial Fail comment, and perhaps change to "Neutral" or "Support" ? Cirt (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. What factual concerns do you feel there are in the article? Cirt (talk) 00:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Eusubeus, unless you disagree, I would like to move the discussion of FAC issues to the talk page of Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/The Last Temptation of Krust. Please let me know; I don't see that any broad purpose is served by having those comments on one FAC, where few people will see them. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. TTN (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is prohibited for six months from making any edit to an article or project page related to a television episode or character that substantially amounts to a merge, redirect, deletion, or request for any of the preceding, to be interpreted broadly. However, he is free to contribute on the talk pages or to comment on any AfD, RfD, DRV, or similar discussion initiated by another editor, as appropriate. Enforcement of this remedy is specified here.

Furthermore, the parties are instructed to cease engaging in editorial conflict and to work collaboratively to develop a generally accepted and applicable approach to the articles in question, and are warned that the Committee will look very unfavorably on anyone attempting to further spread or inflame this dispute. Please also note that the temporary injunction enacted by the Committee on February 3 in relation to this case now ceases to be in effect.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 23:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

sig

This is the best I can do as I'm not a coding expert.:) Hope you like it- it's darker, and shorter, if you object to it now you must just not be a pink person.:) special, random, Merkinsmum 00:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Philip I

Hello and welcome. In this edit, you note that Philip the Fair traveled to Spain in 1502 as jure uxoris rex and not as King consort. Are you sure of that? It is my understanding that this was not conferred until the death of Isabella in 1504; in 1502, however, he would still have been the presumed consort. I would be very interested in your source for this correction if indeed true so it can be added to the article. Thanks! Eusebeus (talk) 18:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• Hi, Eusebeus! It is my understanding that five hundred years ago husband of an heiress was an heir himself. Ferdinand II was Isabella I's co-monarch as Ferdinand V and it was clear that Philip will be Joanna's co-ruler. I may be wrong - maybe husbands did not become co-heirs immediateley? I'm trying to get people understand the difference between king consort (which is merely a male type of queen consort) and jure uxoris rex (a monarch). Please correct me if I'm wrong and excuse me for my bad English (it's not my first language).Surtsicna (talk) 15:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

• The distinction you draw is an important one, but there is an important legal and constitutional question involved. You may be right about Fernando who assumed the title de jure uxoris, but I did a google scholar search and have not yet been able to source this claim, which strikes me therefore as probably inaccurate. In the case of Fernando and Philip, they needed the Cortes to recognise a claim as the legitimate ruler/heir. Note, btw, that this act of fealty never happened in the case of Philip for the Aragonese possessions. Anyway, can we make an effort to source these specific claims? De jure uxoris is not, I don't think, such a blanket term as you may think and it is important that we maintain accuracy. Can you provide a list of articles where you have made this correction and which have not, as yet, been substantiated? Then we can proceed to ensure accuracy via a Google scholar search. What's your first language btw? Eusebeus (talk) 15:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

My first language is Bosnian.

I must say that I'm really confused now. I was (until now) sure that Philip was de jure uxoris King of Castile as Philip I from his wife's accesion until his death. The only thing I've actually changed is king-consort to king and Philip I of Castile is the only article where I made this edit. Surtsicna (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I am a bit confused as well. But it is an interesting point. Let me see what I can dig up and I'll report back. Watch my page and I'll post a reply here. Eusebeus (talk) 16:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

He certainly was not a king consort - consorts do not have regnal numbers, but Philip was indeed Philip the First. I hope you'll find something interesting. Good luck! Surtsicna (talk) 15:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Denis Dutton

An article that you have been involved in editing, Denis Dutton, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Denis Dutton. Thank you. Ursasapien (talk) 05:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Bradley D. Simon

Dear Eusubeus, While I am open to any and all suggestions to improve Bradley Simon's article, calling the article "terrible" and stating that it clearly fails to meet WP:Bio standards when multiple other users think that it does, does not serve to improve the content. While you may have strong opnions regarding this article, a lot of effort went into creating it, so your consideration and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism would be appreciated, while your insults are certainly not. Lakpr (talk) 19:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain more fully?

I try my best to understand the points of those who disagree with me. Even if I broadly disagree with them, there may be some points they hold that I would agree with. I try to identify those, so I can take them into account in my future contributions. And, who knows, if I fully understand their points, I may be won over.

I'd appreciate it if you would try to explain this comment more fully. Yes, I know the nominator leveled many concerns over WP:BIO and WP:COATRACK. But I thought I had responded with meaningful counter-arguments.

FWIW, it seems to me that the nominator launched several invalid straw man arguments -- attributed comments to me I have not made, claimed policies and guidelines said something other than what they said -- and crossed over several of the civility related polices in their characterization of what they imagine my motives and my character. I think I managed not to respond in kind.

I am not trying to drag you into making more effort in this discussion than you are prepared to make. So, I won't repeat the counter-arguments I made in the {{afd}}. But, I would be very interested in any response you made to the counter-arguments I made to the nominator's criticisms of the article.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 22:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I could use a little back-up

• Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard

Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment

Thank you for your comment. I haven't read Brave New World, one of the many books I hope to get around to reading. Do you recommend it? It seemed obvious early that the DD entry will be retained. And of course it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things. And it is not as though the DD entry is the worst by far. Although I don't know DD and hadn't know of him until I came across his entry, I do know people who have obviously written their own entry, and one who has even used his own name to do it! Quite sad, really. I thought, though, that I might as well put the clear and simple case for deletion given that I had chosen to participate in the debate. I have been quite amused that all sorts of motives have been attributed to me. My real motivation in getting involved has been to see how something like Misplaced Pages works which is one reason why I have been reading criteria documents and so on. I have been using Misplaced Pages for sometime as an initial source of information which can lead to good primary sources. It is a great resource. With academic journal databases when you go looking for anything there is so much dross with impressive sounding titles that it is difficult to find the material that is worth reading. In contrast Misplaced Pages is a great place to start and when you have discovered the key material you can usually find the rest. Re: your comment on the media, once apon a time I used to take what I read in the media seriously. However, I found that when the media reported in areas that I knew something about the report was often wrong and frequently quite wrong. In recent decades I have found that some journalists don't even get it right when they use media releases, that seem to have been written clearly, and many of the ones I have come across can be quite lazy. Indeed, some opinion writers survive because they have several friends who pretty well write their columns for them, because those friends have various points they wish to put across, anonymously. Some of it is quite understandable because many journalists, who do not have a ‘name’, are not incredibly well paid and are under pressure to turn out copy very quickly, so mistakes arise.

--203.214.15.223 (talk) 18:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

House character merge proposals

I've added sections to the talk pages of each of the characters you tagged with a merge proposal. Please add your reason(s) there. Thanks. - Dudesleeper / Talk 18:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I made a new section on the main House page to talk about these merge proposals since talking about each individual one on its talk page is too disorganized. Please state your reasons for these mass merge proposals here: Talk:House (TV series)#Merge proposals of all House characters by User:Eusebeus. Thank you. LonelyMarble (talk) 13:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Casliber's Section

Guten Tag - help fur Otto Jaekel

Guten tag mein herr, aber mein deutsch ist schrecklich....(well, that's what I used to say while backpacking round Germany anyway..)....would be very appreciative if you could bolster the paleontologist Otto Jaekel's page with info from his . I haven't been overly thrilled with google translations and trust a human being to take on board teh nuances a wee bit better...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

A good ol' stoush

OK my dear Eusebeus, if you like a good ol' AfD stoush, try this one on for size:

• Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_March_30#Image:WORLDHEALTH2.png

Surely the gravitas of this beats the pissant pop culture stuff...

Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Another stoush

Now I know absolutely nothing about classical music nor what would be notable or otherwise, but I am mindful the editor may knwow something and not be around for a bit. Given you know a bit more about this area, you may like to input:

• 't Muziek Frascati for Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/'t Muziek Frascati

Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Stumped..on conifers

Our chum did some work on anatomy of conifer leaves in 1867, which I am unable to do justice (botanical anatomy-speak rather than a foreign language this time) so I have tagged the article and put out a request on wikiproject plants. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Casliber, I have refactored my talk page to provide you your very own section, since you are posting here quite a bit. As for the technical jargon of that reference, I can probably get a translation at some point. I'll see what I can do. Eusebeus (talk) 10:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Giacomo Bresadola

Here's another one a made a stub for, who is...a tad larger in Français version....which I'd be grateful if you destubified.

PS: This is funny - British Mycological Society in English, but is larger on the French page (!) , now how do they say that Le British Mycological Society...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Quid pro quo

Thanks for all that. Can't offer much WRT linguistic ability though I do own Latin and an Ancient Greek dictionaries, though my knowledge of those tongues is rusty to say the least. I can also figure out significance of medical/psychological/psychiatric stuff, though I don't do too much of that here (too much like work). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

For the record...

Ok, if you are ever at a loss for translating, here are:

• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Fungi/List of unwritten articles (high priority)
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Fungi/List of stubs needing expansion (high priority)
• List of mycologists

I am really grateful for all input on these..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• Hmm, if my contributions are anything like my attempts at spore printing, the results will be woeful blundering dilettantism indeed. Eusebeus (talk) 00:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Aha, I meant at the bottom of the first two are the mycologists. All input appreciated as many hands make light work (glib saying insert). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Miscelllaneous hospitals in (demi-)-francophone countries

I was sprucing up chlorpromazine and two of the hospitals where landmark work was done are Hôpital Ste. Anne in Paris, and the Verdun Protestant Hospital in Montreal, given this is your neck of les woods. Not familiar with these, would you know whether they were (a) prominent enough to have articles, and maybe make a stub, or (b) if not, maybe which would be the appropriate arrondisement/municapility/suburb/district they should have an entry on to link to? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Erm....poke? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I can't answer these questions. I have never even heard of the Verdun Protestant Hospital, which probably mitigates against its notability. As for Ste. Anne I plead (and not for the first time) woeful ignorance. Eusebeus (talk) 16:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, das tut mir leid then, oh well...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Haydn, doing one's bit for systemic bias

Given your interests, you could probably identify the most salient points and significant works which should be mentioned in the lead of Joseph Haydn, and note whether the article was reasonably comprehensive or lacking in parts and if so, which - it has quite a few refs in it which I inlined and I would hazard a guess it wouldn't be too tall an order to get it up to GA standard - note on WP:GA a somewhat recentist trend of pop music - it would slot between Harry and the Potters and Hellyeah I guess. My own knowledge of classical music is meagre at best and wouldn't know where to start, though copyediting isn't too hard and can be done without a necessarily a huge familiarity with the subject. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• Aren't you an MD? You should certainly have a passing familiarity with Haydn ;) I'll see what I can do, although there are many other editors as well equipped as myself to make such an assessment and the view from the Classical music camp is that GA is a waste of time. Eusebeus (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

  I am but I grew up with a musician/guitarist father who viewed classical music as base and reggae as sophisticated, and I have inherited his preferences really. I am intrigued on their opinion of GA, which has really been spruced up in the past 6-12 months. Have to look further into...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD debate here

Interesting one which actually has health issues rather than TV then...Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Sports_Chiropractic#Sports_Chiropractic. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thirteen (House)

Why did you tag this? And why didn't you create a discussion? I'm not being bitey, though. Sceptre 18:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry, I should have added in the link to the centralised discussion. I have done so now. Eusebeus (talk) 18:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Thanks for your support in my RFA, that didn't quite make it and ended at 120/47/13. There was a ton of great advice there, that I'm going to go on. Maybe someday. If not, there are articles to write! Thanks for your support. Lawrence § t/e 18:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Scrubs redirects

Was there any sort of agreement or reasoning behind this redirect or are you doing this on your own? If there's been a consensus among "higher powers" of sorts that'll be fine, but it seems as though you're redirecting without any reason, since there's nothing new on the talk page. Laynethebangs (talk) 04:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• Hi Layne: yes indeed - based on the ongoing meta-level discussion at Fictional topics (I assume you have been following that closely), which maintains the inunction against plot-only content. If we wish to restore the articles, let's discuss first the kind of real-world information we can include and how best to excise the plot details to conform with the WP:FICT consensus. So far, I have seen no effort to improve the existing articles. Eusebeus (talk) 17:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

There was not a specific ban on redirecting articles, but there was a direct request for people to stop spreading the forest fire to new areas. Unilaterally redirecting swarthes of existing articles, in light of the two prior arbitration cases, is a needlessly controversial and drama-provoking act. If you don't feel they're notable, get an individual consensus, and give people the requisite two weeks (of an AfD nomination) to actually fix the article, rather than unilaterally getting rid of the entire content. Rebecca (talk) 23:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• • Yes, well I am confident you would not have undone my redirects without first having participated at the Scrubs discussion extensively and more importantly at the ongoing policy discussion at WT:FICT. Indeed, do I not recall your many valuable contributions to that ongoing discussion with respect to consensus? Nonetheless, it will have demonstrated convincingly there is almost nothing I have merged and redirected that does not fail our renewed - note renewed - injunction against standalone articles that are simply vehicles for plot summary - but then I have long been warmed by your many thoughts on this matter and apologise if I suggested you had simply decided ex nihilo to revert me without first having made your views on this matter count. I made an extensive effort at the Scrubs discussion to link to the relevant policy and guideline pages, including the recent arbcom case - I must thank you for having done the same before indiscriminately reverting me. As they say in Syria, Shukrun! Eusebeus (talk) 04:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I have said my piece about these articles on that talk page in the past, although I expect that it's long buried in archives. I rarely have time for these things these days, as I work heavily and juggle this with full-time study; I simply do not have the time to fight mortal combat on a talk page to stop good material from being deleted, nor do many people. This is why this dispute keeps going on in the way it does: a small group of people vigorously defend that guideline, and are willing to argue until anyone else just gives up. This may allow the text of the written guideline to remain unchanged, but what it does not resemble is actual consensus, which Misplaced Pages operates on. This is why, ultimately, it doesn't work, and the attempts at mass deletion of content under it keep getting reverted by a broad assortment of regular users.

We have policies for deletion, which is what this is (it isn't a merge, seeing as the entire content is generally lost); attempts to circumvent this en masse (especially in light of not one, but two arbitration rulings urging caution) are unhelpful and disruptive to the project, and perfectly deserving of being overruled when it's good content that someone's unilaterally trying to remove. Rebecca (talk) 12:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

You have time to post all this to my talk page, scrutinise my non-merge as you consider it and undo my redirect, but not time to post a thought at WT:FICT? Eusebeus (talk) 13:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:AE#And so it begins again

Someone's started a thread about you at WP:AE#And so it begins again. I tried to defend the .hack issue as something that was under control, and not really a big issue, for my own part in it. You might want to leave a calm note there so that people don't panic. -- Ned Scott 19:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

You're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot at this point. Listen, don't be combative, and stay calm. -- Ned Scott 21:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I've had my say. I think there should be sanctions for this kind of attack against regular editors. Eusebeus (talk) 21:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

It looks like it was one of my edits that somehow blew away part of your comment there. My bad. I'm not sure what happened there, I had a couple of edit conflicts in a row and I don't know if the software screwed up, or if I accidentally dragged and dropped some text without realizing it, or what. In any case, I was just trying to figure out what I did when you corrected it anyway. Sorry 'bout that!  :) --Jaysweet (talk) 19:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• And here I thought I had temporarily become completely illiterate - which seems entirely possible! Eusebeus (talk) 19:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)